White House: The new moon mission is canceled

posted at 6:46 pm on January 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Are conservatives really upset about this? I would have thought it’d be grudgingly approved as an unfortunate yet necessary sacrifice to fiscal responsibility, but the Village Voice cobbled together an entire article a few days ago from angry reactions of righty bloggers to news that the mission was on the chopping block. On the one hand, we’re knocking The One for his laughably puny spending freeze, and on the other, we’re knocking him for not shoveling billions towards NASA for yet another hoparound on the big rock in the sky? I don’t get it.

“Constellation is dead,” the source told AFP on condition of anonymity, referring to a program that envisioned returning to the moon by 2020 and using Earth’s nearest neighbour as a base for manned expeditions to Mars…

Reports added that the US space agency will work on finding a commercial solution to ferrying US astronauts to the International Space Station after the scheduled end of NASA’s shuttle program in September 2010.

Astronauts will be able to hitch rides aboard Russian Soyuz spacecraft, but the United States will need a commercial alternative if Congress approves White House plans to scrap development of a successor to the shuttle program.

Fiscal responsibility and privatization? What’s not to like? We’re going to have to poll this one. Just remember: Our current debt ceiling is $14.3 trillion.



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It is time to go back and keep going beyond.

freedomplow on January 29, 2010 at 8:58 PM

We have gone back. With better equipment. Cheaper. We just didn’t bother sending a person to keep it company.

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM

The shame of all this is that Obambi deliberately rigged the game so that TARP, Spendulus, and ObamaCare were designed to serve as political payoffs to cronies first, then redistribute wealth second. Military projects were frozen out – again, deliberately – because buying more planes or ships is a very visible, high-profile way to spend Federal dollars that results in tangible assets.

Can’t have that, because the goal of Cloward-Priven is to destroy the country, not arm it to make it safer.

The 2020 Moon/Mars project simply *had* to be axed due to its blatant sins against Cloward-Priven:

* The money spent on it funded high-technology jobs;

* Technology developed by this project would have clear spinoff benefits in both military and civil aviation and medical fields; and

* Once the project began testing hardware in space (which IIRC was due to begin very soon), it would become a source of national pride.

The “national pride” thing is especially odious to Obambi because it isn’t about individuals or Government. It’s about feeling good about ourselves as Americans and knowing that when we roll up our sleeves, we can accomplish anything we set out to do. Obambi wants people focused on what *he* claims he can do for them, not on what they can accomplish for themselves.

So yes, while I appreciate that the national debt is massive and we have to save money, it p*sses me off to no end that Obambi cut the Moon/Mars project after wasting so many billions of dollars on nothing.If we leave things up to him, he’ll have the entire country looking like that neighborhood in the Southside that he supposedly “helped”, where buildings are condemned and people live in third-world squalor.

Wanderlust on January 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

How much would you want the government to spend on making a better piston driven steam engine, knowing that turbines are the way to go?

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 8:56 PM

You are using buggy whip analogy to question advancements in science and technology.

Go read quote

viking01 on January 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Our advances have jumped exponentially since the beginning of the 20th century. We live better because of these because of these government expenses.

Having government buying car companies is wrong.
Putting people on the moon is good.

We benefit and future generations benefit.

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Just remember: Our current debt ceiling is $14.3 trillion.

If money is the issue, why not cancel the entire US space program? All of it. Let the ESA, the Russians and the Chinese waste spend their money while we reap the benefits (and have all that money to spend on universal health care!).

Spiny Norman on January 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Its like the arguement that because we will be able to field the F-35 in a few years, we should stop building the F-22…

Of course, by then technology will increase again, so they will not build enough F-35s because somthing better is on the drawing board… (and interestingly enought, Russia just tested a Gen 5 Stealth Fighter)…

So in the end, we don’t have the craft to do what we need to do…. just like the current space program with the Shutle… where they have constantly restarted the plans to replace it… over and over and over…

Romeo13 on January 29, 2010 at 9:00 PM

That’s not the same, an you know it. The F-22 yields results now, is better than the F-35 at what it does, and fills a real gap in our national defense that would go empty if you stopped production to work out the next generation of design. Do you see any of that with manned space flight?
No. We only have manned space flight to say we have manned space flight. It would be more like saying “We’re going to get started on the airframe for a totally invisible aircraft, just in case someone invents a cloaking device, you know, eventually”.

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Well I am going to use this technology called the internet and remotely explore the inner space of the web from the comforts of my house. Life support not needed.

Electrongod on January 29, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Tiny wisps of water. When we have oceans down here?
If they want to wast their time messing around with the moon, let them. If they find anything worthwhile, we’ll probably be able to ramp up to exploiting it faster than they can.

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM

You miss the point of what the moon means to space travel. It’s a stepping stone to the other planets, some that have moons of ice and other resources we can exploit.

And all that cheese on the moon, think of the cheese for gods sake!!!

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Well I am going to use this technology called the internet and remotely explore the inner space of the web from the comforts of my house. Life support not needed.

Electrongod on January 29, 2010 at 9:08 PM

My kids tell me the same about World of Warcraft — all you need is zombie juice or something to keep going. As for me, I’m going to walk out into the real world, and see some amazing sights.

unclesmrgol on January 29, 2010 at 9:11 PM

If not today, then we will go tomorrow, if not this week, then next week, if not this month, next month, if not this year, next year – well, one day… maybe?

sharrukin on January 29, 2010 at 9:12 PM

unclesmrgol on January 29, 2010 at 9:11 PM

;) Well said.

Electrongod on January 29, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Spiny Norman on January 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

+1000

unclesmrgol on January 29, 2010 at 9:12 PM

That’s not the same, an you know it. The F-22 yields results now, is better than the F-35 at what it does…

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

What? You mean there’s something wrong with using a purpose-built “dive bomber” as an “interceptor”? Get with the program, we’re talking money here.

(Of course, Pentagon and Congressional supporters of the F-22 program deliberately starved funding for other programs – like upgraded F-15 and F-16 models – to ensure the Raptor was the only game in town, but that’s another issue altogether…)

Spiny Norman on January 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

No, we have manned space flight in order to conduct experiments in space… and to support the already existing Space Station…

You may not like the mission, or believe in it… but I’m sure you would have been one of those who origionaly did not fund Columbus…

Key is we don’t know WHAT we will find on the Moon… heck… we just found water… by running a stinkin probe onto the moon…

But if a MAN had been there, at the Lunar Pole, with a simple drill rig… we could have known this YEARS ago.

Romeo13 on January 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM

As a percentage of GDP, our debt is about double that of Kennedy’s. In addition, Kennedy was riding an economic golden period, whereas Obama is facing recession-ravaged economy.But if you look at the budget of the Department of Education, it sits about 80 times (approx) the size of NASA’s budget, yet provides no lasting benefit. Should we scuttle the D of Ed (which hasn’t done diddly to increase educational ranking of the USA in the world), and triple NASA’s budget, we’d still be saving over $400 billion. All of which should be applied to the Debt.

Nethicus on January 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I read your post & thought there was no way you could be correct but good-googly-moogly, wtf!

From the US dept of ED:

ED currently administers a budget of $62.6 billion in regular FY 2009 discretionary appropriations and $96.8 billion in discretionary funding provided under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

And OMB has NASA’s budget at 17.2 Billion

Hey here’s a great idea – let’s hire the engineers for the department of education, maybe they can make that culsterfark work.

batterup on January 29, 2010 at 9:14 PM

;) Well said.

Electrongod on January 29, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Thank you. I know, based on the finest authority, that the internet is a just a bunch of tubes, and, while it’s possible to physically explore them, I don’t think I will. After all, I might run into a DailyKos writer or something worse out there.

unclesmrgol on January 29, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I always liked this quote from a popular science fiction show:

“- Is it worth it? Should we just pull back, forget the whole thing as a bad
idea and take care of our own problems at home?”

“- No… Ask ten
different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics and
you’ll get ten different answers, but there’s one thing every scientist on the
planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand
years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out.
When that happens, it won’t just take us. It’ll take Marilyn Monroe and
Lao-Tzu and Einstein and Morobuto and Buddy Holly and Aristophenes ..
and all of this .. all of this was for nothing unless we go to the stars”

- Mary Ann Cramer interviews Cmdr. Sinclair, B5:”Infection”

-G

Gyro on January 29, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I wonder how bad it is for defense and for overall advancement of science. This is really one of the things that only government can do. I am sure that Obama cut it because it will hurt our defense and will really put us behind China, etc. Obama will save on science to promote the struggle against non-existent Global Warming. Anything to hurt America.

finallyhere on January 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM

The spirit of JFK’s “New Frontier” lives on…in New Dehli and Beijing.

As for all those knocking manned space exploration and colonialization, remember this. There are two kinds of planetary civilizations: Those that are spacefaring and those that will soon be extinct.

Mike Honcho on January 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

batterup on January 29, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isn’t it?

Dark-Star on January 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

You are using buggy whip analogy…
Kini on January 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM

That analogy is a good one because that’s what we are going to be using before Hussein is done… Fortunately, we’ve got horses and harness for them here in farm country. We’ll look up at the Chinese on the moon and hope they don’t use their fusion powered rail guns to launch rocks at us.

Friendly21 on January 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

The 2020 Moon/Mars project simply *had* to be axed due to its blatant sins against Cloward-Priven:

Wanderlust on January 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Heh!

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 9:19 PM

People that don’t want humans to travel into space have no idea of what space is and zero imagination.

Most of them cloak their bible thumping in terms of money.

If god didn’t want people to explore the universe he wouldn’t have made them smart enough to do so.

The Hubble Deep Field: The Most Important Image Ever Taken

freedomplow on January 29, 2010 at 9:21 PM

It’s frustrating because NASA was already intending to privatize shuttle trips to the space station, freeing it to focus on exploration missions to the moon and then Mars- building the infrastructure that would allow private American space companies to move out and exploit the resources of the moon and earth orbit. (Much like the military forts provided a place for western wagon trains to stop and resupply).

One possible economic boon would have been new energy sources, by building solar power generators in space (far more efficient than building them on earth and lifting them into space). A moon base would have made a private venture of that nature at least possible, if still on the edge of what private capital can do.

Basically NASA was finally getting it’s act together after screwing around for decades, and now it’s all being scrapped without so much as a consultation with Congress.

Sackett on January 29, 2010 at 9:23 PM

That analogy is a good one because that’s what we are going to be using before Hussein is done… Fortunately, we’ve got horses and harness for them here in farm country. We’ll look up at the Chinese on the moon and hope they don’t use their fusion powered rail guns to launch rocks at us.

Friendly21 on January 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Thanks to 30 years of incompetence and political correctness from the NEA and their puppets and the ED, we’re already third-rate in science education – it’s just too hard for the slow students and has to be dumbed down so they can keep up. Self-esteem is far more important than actual academic achievement.

Damn those kids are good at video games, though… :^þ

Spiny Norman on January 29, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Plus, I just wanna.

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Indeed. As the physicist Richard Feynman called it: “The joy of finding things out.” From Edison to Lewis and Clark, from Kettering to Chester Carlson. I wonder how many of our citizens realize that Apple computer began when Steve Wozniak built a gadget to impress the Homebrew Computer Club and Steve Jobs realized there could be a market for it. I wonder what ever became of that adventure?

viking01 on January 29, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Hmmm…. NASA’s ENTIRE budget is about 18.5 Billion…

Lets see… Bullet Trains 8 Billion… GM bailout 16 Billion…

Oh look… we traded an Obama buyoff of Unions, and Bullet trains that no one will ride… for NASA…

Choices…

Romeo13 on January 29, 2010 at 9:25 PM

We’ll look up at the Chinese on the moon and hope they don’t use their fusion powered rail guns to launch rocks at us.

Friendly21 on January 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

The Rod from God.
Kinetic bombardment is simple, yet effective weapon.

Yes, we in this country are worried about bovine flatulence and our competitors are passing us in technology. What goes up, must come down mentality. Never mind the advancements in technology that we’ve achieved, lets dumb it down and chalk it up to wasteful government spending.

We just had a year of government wasteful spending. Cash for Clunkers comes to mind.

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 9:26 PM

I betcha wish you had that trillion back huh sport? Just another in a series of stupid decisions by Obambi. Maybe if we have an astronauts’ union…

Mojave Mark on January 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM

It’s amazing how many people are glib on the subject…how many think its just a vanity project or pissing contest with other countries.

Returning to the moon has everything to do with energy. Research why every other countries, even those with non-existent space programs are throwing anything they can together overnight…and all strangely at the same time? Russia, China, India, Europe…even Canada.

Helium-3 isotope. What should be the Holy Grail of all the global warming green fascists. Clean abundant energy. 25 tonnes of the stuff could power the United States for a year. It enables clean non-radioactive fusion…not our current methods of dirty fission nuclear energy. The moon is like a sponge for it so it is theoretically a “renewable resource.” The sun produces it and blasts it out across the galaxy. The earth’s magnetic field basically deflects most of it, of which the moon absorbs it within its crust.

In the ultimate move of unfortunate irony, Obama is pushing to turn NASA into a glorified low atmosphere global warming research agency. Take your pick…if your Obama, do you keep enabling the progressive agenda of global warming and pocket lining of the elite progressives buying into it…or invest in what could potentially end global warming (if you believe in it) as we know it? Let alone allow mankind to benefit from all the vast supplemental technologies which usually are the result huge NASA projects and American innovation.

Does America sit on the sideline for another generation and become a slave to yet another foreign produced energy source?

Barry wasn’t in FL this week cutting the ribbon for a new, worthless multi-billion dollar high speed train for nothing. Monday NASA announces its new budget, and FL will be surprised to learn thousands of NASA jobs are lost.

Well, sir, there’s nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!

selias on January 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM

The politicizing of this makes me sick. Space exploration and NASA should not be tools of partisan politics; yet that is exactly what this will become because THE ONE is at the center.

The conservatives argue (and rightly so) to reign in government spending. Yet “R&D” — a sabre-rattle and election-cycle catchphrase of the left — is a sacred cow.

“We need to fund green tech!”
“We need to fund ZEVs (zero emission vehicles)!”
“More more more grants to medical research!”

A proposed cut to any of these unleashes a torrent of fury from the left: after all, it’s Research and Development, donchaknow.
But the left will be happy with NASA or — one of their favos — Defense cuts because those are “pie-in-the-sky/industrial-military complex” programs.

No, both are research and development. And while sanctimonious leftist bloggers love to unleash ridiculous fury upon things like Defense, they sure do love their Internet — a product of Defense spending.

You know, Research and Development.

The same is with NASA, but NASA is not SETI (no longer government funded, by the way) — NASA contributes not just to exploration, but general innovation and defense.

This is why liberals will not defend this as “R&D” — because there are strong militaristic benefits contained therein. “More money for education! Free clinics! ‘Universal healthcare’! Union employees!” These money pits do not develop, though I guess a side-effect is that they do create a lot of “research” for ivory-tower “sociologists.”

And they use this to thumb conservatives in the eye. “Obama made a budget cut; you wanted them! It’s shrinking government, right?” all while realizing Americans do not realize the potential of space, and the technological advancements — social and military — that derive from its exploration and funding. Like with “racism” and “white privilege” and “climate change” as being *urgent, troubling issues*, “space exploration” has infected the public’s mind as being nothing more than bookish worms wanting to look at “boring old moon rocks”.

It’s how they play, and it’s such a political game for them to fund their pet social programs to seal votes in the here and in the now.

lansing quaker on January 29, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Many on this site did not experience the American feeling when Sputnik went up. It was stunning, but we knew we were better and that our freedom would allow us to prevail. We talked about it in my 8th grade classroom, which had a model of Sputnik hanging from the ceiling. It is astonishing how much we have diminished our view of ourselves, and how we let jerks like Obama drag us down. The world is not a better place because of this.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 29, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Lets see… Bullet Trains 8 Billion… GM bailout 16 Billion…

Oh look… we traded an Obama buyoff of Unions, and Bullet trains that no one will ride… for NASA…

Choices…

Romeo13 on January 29, 2010 at 9:25

French trains or Chinese trains?
8 billion is the down payment, HSR will cost California $45b alone.

batterup on January 29, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Well, this conservative is pretty f’ing upset about it. And not because There’s always room in the budget for adventures! (really stupid poll btw). China has plans to go to the moon and India is poised to begin a space program as well. Do we really want to concede space to China? We damn well better be able to get up there if we need to. It’s a matter of national security.

SukieTawdry on January 29, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Why do you think that? Why do you assume that a government program would have gotten better results out of them than a private program?

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 8:49 PM

I think of it as the Lewis and Clark paradox: You don’t know if there’s anything profitable out there until you explore, and you can’t afford to explore if you don’t know if there’s anything profitable out there.

Someone’s gotta hire the Lewises and Clarks to do that exploration, and it’s gotta be someone who is gonna be around a few months years decades centuries from that beginning, and can stand to lose a million or two.

Sekhmet on January 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM

freedomplow on January 29, 2010 at 9:21 PM

*_*

Ugly on January 29, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Sukie at 9:44
Obama does not care about our national security.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 29, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Someone’s gotta hire the Lewises and Clarks to do that exploration, and it’s gotta be someone who is gonna be around a few months years decades centuries from that beginning, and can stand to lose a million or two.

Sekhmet on January 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM

And manned space flight serves exactly zero of that purpose.
You aren’t getting it. I have not, at any time, been arguing against the exploitation of space. I have been arguing that manned space flight isn’t part of the exploitation of space anymore. Science fiction got it wrong (as it often does). We stay here, and the computers take care of space.

Count to 10 on January 29, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Given the results in Massachusetts he should be canceling his planned trip to ur-anus.

jdkchem on January 29, 2010 at 10:09 PM

BHO strikes at American Exceptionalism again. No more moon shots for US. He is a one-trick pony. If it tears down America, he’s on it.

indypat on January 29, 2010 at 10:11 PM

AP you cant put a “I blame Obama” button and not expect me to push it. That’s like locking a fat kid in a chocolate factory. You know hes going through the tube.

Why not cancel the stimulus? We could go to the moon, mars,and maybe planet X.

Gatsu on January 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM

maybe planet X.

Gatsu on January 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Only if our shaving cream supplies start running low. And even then, for goodness’ sakes send someone less trigger-happy than that Dodgers fellow.

Dark-Star on January 29, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Let’s face it: The moon missions have been killed by deficits. We don’t have the money laying around to throw at a moon shot, moon base, or manned trip to Mars. Exorbitant spending through the 80’s, 90’s, and 00’s, by Democrats and Republicans, has pretty much doomed us to be Earth bound.

It’s hard to justify any seemingly-worthwhile adventure when we’re 12 trillion dollars in the hole.

Now, had our budget debt been zero, we could easily argue that this was beneficial.

Nethicus on January 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM

I’ll tell you what is a waste of money. Sending checks to people who don’t work.

JellyToast on January 29, 2010 at 10:29 PM

someone less trigger-happy than that Dodgers fellow.

Dark-Star on January 29, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Funny. Obama said he was the man for the job. I mean why would he ever recommend someone unless he was qualified for the job? I mean really, its not like he would appoint a tax cheat as the Treasurer.

Oh. Hmm, I just made myself sad there…

Gatsu on January 29, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Could it simply be a dig at Bush? Bush supported the Moon and Mars missions, so Obama must cancel them. He is that petty.

zmdavid on January 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM

Wanderlust on January 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I agree.
We have already spent significant money on this, now its a wasted.
Now we have to use Russia to get into space?
Same old argument from progressives ” we have people starving here in USA, why are we going to moon?”
The space program has always given us spin off advancements that have paid us back many fold. Its the one thing the government dose right. Did he say he was going to reduce NASA budget, or will the money be diverted to hiring more whacked 3rd grade science majors in global warming propagandist?

Ed Laskie on January 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM

In my perfect world, I’d much rather keep the space program funded instead of the vast majority of programs that eat up the budget. But, hey, also in my perfect world Obama would be faaaarrrr away from the presidency. Can’t have it all. Doesn’t mean I’m not a little bummed, though: I’ve always been a bit of a space geek.

KellyBomelly on January 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM

NASA will receive an additional $5.9 billion over five years… White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change –

Well there it is. Now we are going to throw the money away on junk science.

Ed Laskie on January 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM

NASA’s budget, just over $18.7 billion this year, is still expected to rise again in 2011, reports Space.com, though by much less than the $1 billion increase NASA and its contractors have been privately anticipating since mid-December

The Ares rocket is already flying. ObaMao is wasting the money. This is smoke and mirrors. The project is cut not NASA funding.

Ed Laskie on January 29, 2010 at 11:02 PM

Watch the NASA budget in the near years carefully. The White House said that they wanted to NASA to abandon the lunar program to concentrate on studying climate change. Check the budgets for 2011 and 2012 and see if they simply shuffled the money for NASA to help pad the wallets of some of their supporters in the (heavily Democratic) global warming industry.

jon1979 on January 29, 2010 at 11:02 PM

The NASA budget will not decrease in will increase over 5 billion in next 5 years. ObaMao has already directed NASA to shift to climate change studies. Read here
Its done deal.

Ed Laskie on January 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Isabella, “No, Chris! You’ve been to the New World once already and what did you find? Just a bunch of natives and nothing of real value. There is no reason to go again!”

gordo on January 29, 2010 at 11:42 PM

Pants on the ground..pants on the ground
I’d show you my moon but the money can’t be found.

proudteadrinker on January 29, 2010 at 11:48 PM

Same old argument from progressives ” we have people starving here in USA, why are we going to moon?”

Ed Laskie on January 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM

To bring back government cheese for them to eat?

agmartin on January 29, 2010 at 11:49 PM

But he keeps on funding the moonbats mission.

bayview on January 30, 2010 at 12:10 AM

One of my favorite movie lines comes from Clint Eastwood’s “Forgiven”. Paraphrasing, “When you kill a man you take away everything he ever was and everything he ever will be.”

Unlike the greens would like to have us believe, this planet will likely survive almost anything thrown at it. Including large meteors. The people on it, however, are a different story.

If we don’t end up destroying ourselves some other cosmic event may just beat the Muslims to it. At which point, if we haven’t established an extraterrestrial “plan b”, everything we ever were and everything we ever will be will be destroyed. Am I the only one that believes that would be a shame?

watson007 on January 30, 2010 at 12:32 AM

I know it was already mentioned:

We have the money to do this. Yet instead of spending it on the Moon and beyond, we’re going to focus on earth-bound junk science.

If NASA is going to get into the ‘climate change’ game, then why do we need NOAA, the NCDC, or any other of the myriad ‘climate science’ organizations out there?

Hell, the UN is just throwing tripe in from activist organizations like Greenpeace and the WWF anyway, why waste the money re-enforcing a lie?

This stinks to high heaven of ideology and politics, not science or fiscal responsibility.

catmman on January 30, 2010 at 12:49 AM

Aries rocket is a success and is ready to go. We will be wasting all that work already done. We should spend the money on a “Voyage to Center of the Earth” and send ObaMao to hell.

Ed Laskie on January 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM

Repudiate the Outer Space Treaty of 1969 and let corporations rape the cosmos. We’ll be at Alpha Centauri in 30 years.

Chris_Balsz on January 30, 2010 at 1:25 AM

Is everything Obama says a lie?

While campaigning he said he wouldn’t cancel this program.

scotash on January 30, 2010 at 1:33 AM

There is something to be said for expanding humanity beyond a single planet in the interest of preservation of the species.

Not to mention how incredibly useful moon-based manufacturing facility would be in terms of mass production of low-density crystalline polymers, alloys, and ceramics.

Meh. Not that those are all that important per se in my lifetime… but if we want to preserve humanity in the face of random disaster (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, Natural, or even “A Big space rock”), spreading out from Earth would be a valid first step.

Jones Zemkophill on January 30, 2010 at 2:01 AM

Reports added that the US space agency will work on finding a commercial solution to ferrying US astronauts to the International Space Station after the scheduled end of NASA’s shuttle program in September 2010.

This is so bad I cannot express it. The nation that must ask others to ferry them up to maintain the satellites which are the basis of our communications is completely vulnerable and dependent

The moon mission is not a sinkhole unless we make it one.

If we run shuttle missions simply to get the next set of racial identities in orbit and create a photo op it is a sinkhole. But we need to develop the next stage of technology in this nation, to survive

When Kennedy announced the space race, I was the first critic. I called it an ego trip, a one-up to the Soviets.

I was totally wrong.

The Space Race made us the leader of the technology revolution and made us rich, not poor. We really upped our education (unlike today) and cranked out engineers and scientists who developed items later marketed. It was the space race that forced miniaturization of components, and thus the downsizing of computers, and the increased data storgage capacities that changed our lives on earth. Materials development went through the roof, plastics, and adhesives, alloys and insulations. Something as simple as the closure on a space suit was a scientific advance

Items which might have taken decades to become an idea were created by necessity. At the start of the program, we had toggle switches and rotary chaneels. Now we have LCDs, LEDs, and a knowledge base thanks to Kennedy.

The real key to this explosion was the ability to market what you had invented. That was the accelerant to our great fortunes

We are about to lose our edge to China and India, while the pols fritter away the future with mortgaged handouts.

The good part is when Obama is gone we can start up again, assuming we are not already at war with China, or assuming the terrorists have not already blown up a couple more of our major cities.

Iis probably better to have a space program not shaped by Obama and his crew. Hope we have the time to recoup

entagor on January 30, 2010 at 3:27 AM

“You may ask yourself – where’s my moon , my levee , my dream?”

You may answer yourself – it got swallowed by Porkulus.

Mr Purple on January 30, 2010 at 4:10 AM

It’s not just numbers. The space program is a big part of the American Dream. It picked up where the Marlboro Man left off. A lot of American ingenuity and innovation has come from the space program. A large part of the American psyche is embedded in its successes and achievements. A lot of America’s tech industries feed off it and engage in it however peripherally.

The knowledge we gain or neglect in developing or ignoring our space program may soon mean the difference between the First World and the also-rans.

Asia – China, Japan, India, even South Korea, are all going. It’s not seeing what’s been seen before, it’s seeing what hasn’t. And in this day and age, it’s also about who’s “first”. It’s still a race, even for the Russians. Not showing, never mind placing, is pure foolishness. Falling behind after all that’s been done and gained will prove self-destructive.

It’s true that times are bad. Money’s tight. But it’s equally true that not anticipating the future in your present planning can and will leave you forever in the past.

The poll, the facetiousness of “always room for adventures!” does a huge disservice to the history of NASA and all the incredible work they’ve done over the years. Every mission has borne fruit. Even little Spirit stuck in a sandpit on Mars is chugging away at data collecting, having long outstripped its life expectancy of a few months by six years and counting.

What NASA does and represents has never been about the here and now. It’s always been about all our tomorrows.

De-funding Constellation is deeply short-sighted on so many levels, including security. Getting through today is a bit pointless if tomorrow is just more of the same. And there’s a lot in Porkulus that rightly deserves to go away much more than Constellation.

I vote for Constellation.

orville on January 30, 2010 at 4:33 AM

The other thing that makes defunding Constellation so objectionable is that it’s not about prudent financial paring and/or judicious fiscal planning. It’s pure “Scorched Earth” policy making based on the presumption that going to space is just about “always room for adventures”. It’s as insulting as it is blind and ignorant.

orville on January 30, 2010 at 4:49 AM

I know that for every dollar we spent on Apollo, the government got many more dollars back from the industries the program spawned and the technology that was created in the process.

The Obama administration is simply stupid on this. If Obama would have come out in the SOTU and said that he was going to spend 50 billion to go to the Moon and then Mars and beyond, he could have ridden that horse straight through 2016.

50 billion in the Space program would have delivered 100K in NEW jobs almost overnight with probably another 200K in secondary jobs servicing the cities that would EXPLODE with growth across a supply chain that could easily touch all 50 states.

Instead, they pushed a petty vendetta against Bush.

This is like Spain never returning to the new world after Columbus came back.

On the other hand:

I hate to say it though, but I’m glad he did this because he won’t reap the benefit.

Now I want R’s to take back the Congress and ram a permanently manned U.S. presence on the Moon down their throats (hopefully using unspent Porkulus dollars) and get back near full employment in the process.

Jason Coleman on January 30, 2010 at 4:55 AM

Great nations do great things. Good to see where AP, count10 (and others), and Obama fall on the US. Great juxtaposition with the how the Chinese and Indians think of their nation.

jarodea on January 30, 2010 at 5:20 AM

Gives China a great opening to prove it is the world leader in technology and scientific research.

Another step by Obama to degrade and diminish the United States.

This action alone will put Obama in the history books as one of the worst Presidents the US has ever had.

albill on January 30, 2010 at 7:47 AM

Aries rocket is a success and is ready to go. We will be wasting all that work already done. We should spend the money on a “Voyage to Center of the Earth” and send ObaMao to hell.

Ed Laskie on January 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM

There has been exactly 1 test flight of the Ares X-1 prototype, which was intended primarily to test stability of the Ares 1. The X-1 was not even a real Ares 1, just a mockup. It is not ready to go, but you’re right that all the work done up to this point is in serious jeopardy of being wasted.

DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM

BHO strikes at American Exceptionalism again. No more moon shots for US. He is a one-trick pony. If it tears down America, he’s on it.

indypat on January 29, 2010 at 10:11 PM

That’s exactly what this is about: undermining American prestige for the benefit of our international competitors.

We can certainly afford to develop the Constellation program if we’ve got money for ZeroCare, Porkulus and all the rest of the Obama crap. At least the money spent goes directly to creating and maintaining exceptionally high-skilled jobs and keeping the US at the forefront of strategic technology.
The correct thing for NASA is to build Constellation or other next-generation spaceflight capabilities while providing lucrative incentives for commercial alternatives in parallel.

DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 8:17 AM

the money spent goes directly to creating and maintaining exceptionally high-skilled jobs and keeping the US at the forefront of strategic technology.
The correct thing for NASA is to build Constellation or other next-generation spaceflight capabilities while providing lucrative incentives for commercial alternatives in parallel. DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 8:17 AM

Yup, it’s about the jobs, the technology leaps and the American dream. BHO = clueless!

indypat on January 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Another manned moon mission is nothing more than bread and circuses. Let’s pay off the national debt before we play rocket-ship-to-the-moon.

For the record: I still remember where I was at the time of the first moon landing. I was sitting in my campground reading a magazine while everyone else was crowded around the television at the campground bath house. I didn’t care about it then, and do not care now.

friendlygrizzly on January 30, 2010 at 8:46 AM

Let’s pay off the national debt before we play rocket-ship-to-the-moon.

friendlygrizzly on January 30, 2010 at 8:46 AM

I’d agree, if that were the plan. It’s not.

DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Wanderlust on January 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

What he said.

Jay Mac on January 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Does this pull the plug on the Orion spacecraft program? We need heavy space lifting capabilities and a manned spacecraft program. The Shuttle was just bad engineering.

SC.Charlie on January 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Does this pull the plug on the Orion spacecraft program? We need heavy space lifting capabilities and a manned spacecraft program. The Shuttle was just bad engineering.

SC.Charlie on January 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM

It the proposed pulling of the plug by Obama, since Orion is part of the Constellation program.

DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 9:36 AM

NASA is connected to national pride…so, there you go!

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM

I was just reading on Wikipedia that it was part of the Constellation program. I would hope that it remains part of the budget.

SC.Charlie on January 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Make no mistake – Obama’s decision means the end of Americans in space.
If he didn’t want to go back to the moon he could at least keep Ares around
as a shuttle replacement.

We are now officially deciding ourselves into a declining empire.

Centuries from now the moon landing sites from the 60s will be our version
of the Egyptian pyramids.

datadriver on January 30, 2010 at 9:55 AM

This was in the article:

Getting the cancellation through Congress would be “tough,” he added, as lawmakers from Florida and other states with close ties to the space program would oppose anything that threatened local jobs.

News of Constellation’s cancellation came as NASA marked its day of remembrance, honoring astronauts who died in the Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia space missions.

OK, is the program canceled or is Obama going to try to get the votes to kill the program? What is it Allahpundit?

SC.Charlie on January 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM

SC.Charlie on January 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Obama is apparently going to propose defunding Constellation in his budget proposal, but Congress still makes the budget, the President either signs or vetoes.

DarkCurrent on January 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM

NASA has friends in Congress. I don’t think Omoron is going to be able to push this through. Constellation will stay in some form or another.

KSgop on January 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Part of the deal is, everything is in space.

Another part of it is, world powers demonstrate, and sustain that power largely by exploring, and by not exploring, we’re effectively ceding that position. China may be behind us at the moment, but they’re catching up, and what they find, they keep.

Space privatization is interesting, but he’s not paying for it, which is going to make it a dead letter. Basically, he wants a bunch of companies to develop space lift on their dollar, and then he’ll pay less than it costs to lift, to get it from them.

Though, I think what really bugs me about it, of all the things they had to cut, they managed to find about the only thing in government that hasn’t been growing exponentially, and cut that. Way to step up to the plate boys.

Voyager on January 30, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Why not just shut down all space exploration and surrender out space to the Russians and the Chinese?

This is short sighted.

drjohn on January 30, 2010 at 1:22 PM

If we can fund high-speed rails between Tampa and Miami and all the foolish payoffs to cronies and Unions and all the other CRAP that our money gets spent on, we can afford to go to the moon!!!

Cut out money for graft and payola and we could afford to go to the moon several times AND give the taxpayers a huge refund. NASA is one of the only things I would willingly pay taxes for.

I *HATE* this president. The only one I’ve liked in my lifetime is Reagan.

SMALLER Government please.

Joy on January 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Helium-3 isotope. What should be the Holy Grail of all the global warming green fascists. Clean abundant energy. 25 tonnes of the stuff could power the United States for a year.

I accept the nuclear approach to clean energy, but “mining the moon” is preposterous when we have thousands of years of uranium on our home planet. Maybe they will laugh at my short-sightedness in a thousand years. I’ll take the risk.

WWCathodeRay on January 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Moon. We’ve been there. What about Mars?

nazo311 on January 30, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Mars is for the Russians.

Dhuka on January 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Good!

But for NASA to be concentrating on ‘global climate change’ is absurd.

bridgetown on January 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

If we don’t end up destroying ourselves some other cosmic event may just beat the Muslims to it. At which point, if we haven’t established an extraterrestrial “plan b”, everything we ever were and everything we ever will be will be destroyed. Am I the only one that believes that would be a shame?

watson007 on January 30, 2010 at 12:32 AM

You are most definitely NOT the only one.

Any good techie knows to keep a backup of important data. The ultimate backup is one that located far away from your primary storage unit(s), to guard against the possibility of a physical catastrophe. A building fire, a robbery, a flood, an earthquake – all of these things can make local redundancy useless.

To apply that example to mankind, a ‘backup’ colony on Mars or elsewhere would serve as a guard against a severe physical disaster on Earth.

Dark-Star on January 30, 2010 at 2:34 PM

The space program should’ve been privatized decades ago. It wasn’t because of 1) the damned Ruskies and 2) why pay for a rocket to launch your satellite when the gubment will do it for you.

I love me some NASA, but it ain’t the 60s any more.

spmat on January 30, 2010 at 2:51 PM

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, the govt has done a piss-poor job of doing anything space or technology related. Due to massively cutting NASA’s budget and firing half the brains in the organization the minute we first landed on the moon- these days the government is incapable of fostering creativity or encouraging innovation.

The whole political climate was ripe for going to moon decades ago- these days there is no international competition and very little national pride that would drive us there.

If we really care about getting to the moon, mars and beyond, we should take the money we’re currently wasting in NASA and funnel it into commercial companies that have been begging to do this very thing for years- something similar to the way the airline industry was supported in it’s infancy.

I would have loved it if Bush’s desire to go back to space had been realized, but let’s face it. Obama is no Kennedy. He doesn’t have the vision or the ability to inspire. I think the U.S can still be a driving force for space missions- but it will be through our corporations and our visionaries, not through our government.

Jewels on January 30, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Don’t you know that NASA built its reputation of successful space travel on the backs of poor brown people…You guys just don’t get it…Its time to redistribute the wealth…Besides, NASA has its hands full with the Global Warming Project, which as you all know suffered a major set-back due to the greed of rich nations…

Nozzle on January 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM

This is so bad I cannot express it. The nation that must ask others to ferry them up to maintain the satellites which are the basis of our communications is completely vulnerable and dependent…

entagor on January 30, 2010 at 3:27 AM

The next time there’s some sort of “political crisis” – say Russia threatening to re-annex Lithuania, et al, or China demanding final submission from Taiwan – and we register objections in the UNSC, what’s to stop them from telling us to f**k off with our satellites?

Trade the manned space program / heavy lift capability for “climate change research”. That’s worse than stupid, it’s criminal.

Personally, I hope Congress grows a pair and tells Barry to f**k off.

Spiny Norman on January 30, 2010 at 3:27 PM

The JPL Mars Rover Team aside, NASA is a prodigiously inefficient bureaucracy.

I’ve been schooled on the numbers by Lockheed engineers who work with these guys on a regular basis. Lockheed has also used Russian and Euro launch vehicles for some of their satellites. NASA missions are huge multiples more expensive per throw weight than any other space program on earth.

In particular the space shuttle is a totally wasteful vehicle. The ridiculous high cost per mission they acknowledge is a bogus number that ignores tens of millions of dollars per mission in support and assets required by the ongoing operation of this cosmic boondoggle.

Any conservative that wants to fund these guys needs a slap to the head. Why should this decades old bureaucracy be expected to run any better than the Post Office or the FDA? They’re actually much worse because everyone expects what they do to be expensive and difficult. Believe me, they squeeze that for all it’s worth.

Privatize as much as possible. The whole organization needs to be leaned out in a major way. Obama’s right on this one.

rcl on January 30, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Every penny of subisidies for high-speed rail should be shoved into a reward for a reliable lift vehicle. And then pay royalties to use it. That will stimulate exploration and cost less than relying on our Strategic Partners for our telecommunications industry.

I think we can say the Star Trek dream of profit-free space exploration is just a TV show. It doesn’t get done slower than commercial exploitation; it doesn’t get done at all.

Chris_Balsz on January 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM

The “space race” was about national security and NASA has always been an arm of the military. I’m not complaining, just saying.
Obama hates our military and hates the concept of American exceptionalism. This way, he gets to slap at two of his personal dislikes with one swing. He really is a vile POS and I truly do hope I live long enough to piss on his grave, I don’t care how long the line is.

Extrafishy on January 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM

allahpundit=doofus.

Conservatives don’t support keeping up to date with space weapons and defenses?

TTheoLogan on January 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I’m not happy about this simple because it’s one of the very few areas in which the government is the most appropriate source of funds for space exploration, because of the defense interests of the people and the fact that the program employed thousands and thousands of people doing work that put America at the technological forefront of the world. Furthermore, private corporations often paid to hitch a ride into space for medical research and other studies that have demonstrably improved life back here on Earth.

And on a more personal note, a good friend of mine has been working to finish building the ISS, and she was supposed to move on to the Constellation program. Now she’ll be unemployed and will have to move her family elsewhere to find work. I resent Obama and the Dems costing Americans ANOTHER job, especially since their policies are not on track to create more.

Animator Girl on January 30, 2010 at 5:21 PM

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