ObamaCare now 20 points down — in CNN poll

posted at 9:30 am on January 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, Harry Reid signaled surrender on ObamaCare, seven long months after he and Nancy Pelosi promised to complete it in just six weeks — but did they give up in time?  Rasmussen has put the opposition to the Democrats’ plan in double digits since fall, but Rasmussen polls likely voters.  CNN’s latest poll of adults should have given Democrats their most sympathetic sample, but respondents give Reid, Pelosi, and Barack Obama even worse news on their attempt to overhaul the American health-care system:

Only three in ten Americans say they want Congress to pass legislation similar to the health care reform bills that have already been approved by the House and Senate, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey also indicates that nearly half the public, 48 percent, would like federal lawmakers to start work on an entirely new bill, and 21 percent feel Congress should stop working an any bills that would change the country’s health care system. …

Fifty-eight percent of people questioned in the survey oppose the bills previously passed by the House and Senate, with 38 percent supporting that legislation.

One caveat: CNN didn’t release the partisan breakdown of the sample.  It’s possible, but rather unlikely given CNN’s track record, that the poll oversampled Republicans.  The numbers didn’t change all that much from CNN’s poll taken two weeks ago (40/57), which indicates that the sampling is at least consistent.

This is the obvious reason that Democrats “slam[med] the brakes” on health-care reform.  I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that their own internal polling on this issue took a dive over the last four weeks, starting with the slimy deals cut by Harry Reid in getting to cloture and continuing with the closed-door conferences at the White House, with the President and union lobbyists fighting with House and Senate Democrats to cut any kind of deal they could to let unions off the hook for the Senate’s Cadillac tax.  The orgy of special-interest horse-trading has not only turned off the general populace on ObamaCare, but made Democrats into the kind of caricature they like to accuse Republicans of being.

Democrats say they’ll take this up again later in the winter, but the numbers look exceedingly fraught for pursuit of any version of health-care reform.  Insurance reform that increases government regulation without getting everyone insured now only polls at 47/51, which makes the incremental approach to government control a waste of political effort.  Only 30% favor passage of a comprehensive reform bill on the same scale as ObamaCare, with 48% supporting a fresh start and 21% dropping the entire idea altogether.

In an election year, those numbers almost guarantee that no further work will take place on the issue.  After the debacle of 2009, the Democrats need to focus on legislation that will boost their popularity, which in this economy means focusing on job creation.  Their likely direction — more Porkulus — will wind up being a flop, but at least Obama and the Democrats will look like they’re finally focused on the right issue.

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Stick a big ol’ fork in it.

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Waterloo!

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:32 AM

It’s over. Obama really IS dead imo.

picklesgap on January 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Waterloo

scottm on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

It’s over. Obama really IS dead imo.

picklesgap on January 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Maybe. But keep in mind this is the guy who won the damn Presidency having accomplished nothing in his adult life. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he wins reelection having accomplished nothing in his first 4 years in the White House.

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

It’s never over…the battlefield just changes.

Asher on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

The zombie legislation will head back underground, awaiting its chance to reappear and feast on the innards of America.

Bishop on January 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Is it really dead yet, or will BozObama try to use his “bully pulpit” to rescue it tonight?

Steve Z on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he wins reelection having accomplished nothing in his first 4 years in the White House.

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

We have 3 years to make sure that doesn’t happen.

ladyingray on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

‘Death Panels’ was kind of the beginning of the end of ObamaCare.

BadgerHawk on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

That last line Ed is worthless with no disrespect to you.The dems are all about looks and you know are decieving.
We want actions,unfortunately their actions only contribute to their buddys,the unions.

ohiobabe on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Obama won’t let it go. It is against his narcissistic make-up to admit he was wrong. He’ll say something about it tonight.

kingsjester on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

What happens to crap-n-tax and this healthcare albatross now? Are they added to some filing cabinet to be removed at a later date when they think no one is looking?

Mark Boabaca on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I’m surprised with CNN that it’s the bad. I won’t be surprised with the GOP totally blows this opportunity however!

flytier on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I wish people would stop saying it’s over. It is not over. This is the 5th thread that I’ve said this in but nobody seems to care. They already passed much of the framework for universal healthcare with Porkulus I and now they want to do Porkulus II.

Republicans will vote for a jobs bill because they don’t want to be seen as not wanting to create jobs. This is all a ruse people. They know that they don’t need to pass a specific bill that says “healthcare” in the title. This is far from over.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

It’s dead. Move on.

We need to be alert for the next crap sandwich we’re going to be offered.

Abby Adams on January 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM

We have 3 years to make sure that doesn’t happen.
ladyingray on January 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Palin 2012?

picklesgap on January 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM

We won – round 1

Now we have to focus on cap and tax, porkulus 2, the attack on Wall Street/Capitalism

These people cannot be trusted.

gophergirl on January 27, 2010 at 9:41 AM

hopenchange….unprecedented leadership….audacity….B+

search4truth on January 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

It seems to me that this is nothing new. They’ve been charging full steam ahead with the knowledge that NOBODY WANTS THE GODDAMNED THING!!

Or are they that tone deaf that it takes a CNN poll to convince them???

BigWyo on January 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Mass. revolt!

John the Libertarian on January 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

These people do not care what polls say on this issue, they are going to shove it into one end of our alimentary canal or the other. Take it to the bank.

thomasaur on January 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

No mention of Obamacare in the SOTU speech. Nothing but deficit cutting and jobs!!!

Caper29 on January 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM

We won – round 1

Now we have to focus on cap and tax, porkulus 2, the attack on Wall Street/Capitalism

These people cannot be trusted.

gophergirl on January 27, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Crap-and-betrayed is dead. The bank tax is unfortunately a likelihood, and it’s gonna end up hurting the economy. As for Porkulus II, it’ll definitely pass the House, but I don’t see how it gets through the Senate unless the Dems concede a bunch of tax cuts to the GOP. Unless of course Collins and Snowe are looking forward to early retirement.

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Maybe. But keep in mind this is the guy who won the damn Presidency having accomplished nothing in his adult life. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he wins reelection having accomplished nothing in his first 4 years in the White House.

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

This is true. The ‘Grow Fins’ and ‘crr6′s’ of the world are still out there Hope’n and Changin’ and Believin’…

BigWyo on January 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

MobileVideoEngineer on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Right on. This thing ain’t dead. Dims have been going after their brass ring for 40+ years now. No way they give this up. Porkulus II will have more bits and pieces of it. Let’s pray the Repubs find their balls and fight it everywhere, regardless of what other bill it’s stuffed into.

Dominion on January 27, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Apparently Reid, of all people, was right last summer. He had to pass Obamacare in 6 weeks, or else it wouldn’t pass, ever.

jwolf on January 27, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Never let down your guard, these leftists border on insanity and are insidious like a cancer . . . just when you think you have them contained they crawl out of another crack in the wall.

rplat on January 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Heritage warning Obamacare not dead yet.

Liberal leaders on Capitol Hill now have 3 options with regard to ObamaCare:

1. Scrap It – The most obvious option is for the Senate not to take any action on the House version of ObamaCare and the House to do the same with the Senate version of health care reform. Starting over on health care reform would consist of taking smaller bites of ObamaCare and working with Republicans to pass elements that have bipartisan support.

2. Pass It ASAP (also known as the Thelma and Louise Strategy) – The most dangerous option for liberals is to forge ahead with ObamaCare and attempt a strong-arm strategy to get it passed within the next few weeks. It is possible for the House to take up the Senate bill in an attempt to pass something this year. The House would need a simple majority and the bill would go to the President’s desk. Reconciliation could be used as a means to get a technical corrections measure to the Senate requiring only a simple majority to pass. This would effectively be the Congress doubling down on ObamaCare and ignoring the will of the American people.

3. Lame Duck Strategy – Wait until the 2010 elections are over and jam everything into a reconciliation bill. There may be so many members who have lost their jobs, they may be willing to pass something during the post election time when they have already lost their jobs.

Mark Boabaca on January 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM

MobileVideoEngineer on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Yep, American Thinker had an article way back when this whole mess started that said that the health commission was already started and named names with Porkulus and that it also gave them funding to start working.

Unless you defund that commission and end their work this is NOT DEAD.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM

thankfully, most of us are more alert than we were, say, 5 years ago (when Bush & Congress were just as bad).

and Bambi can say whatever he wants—he will never get 52% of the public on his side again. ever. unless a missile hits his children’s school. i know that sounds harsh, but its the truth.

kelley in virginia on January 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM

This is true. The ‘Grow Fins’ and ‘crr6’s’ of the world are still out there Hope’n and Changin’ and Believin’…

BigWyo on January 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM
_______________________

If Obama shot and killed his wife and kids in the Oval Office, they would still vote for him.

uknowmorethanme on January 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM

They know that they don’t need to pass a specific bill that says “healthcare” in the title. This is far from over.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Absolutely dead on. The democrats still have the biggest house majority in decades. They are not going to blow this opportunity because of some pesky opinion poll. They tied a bunch of BS to war funding legislation because they knew Bush wouldn’t dare to veto it. We need to stay on top of this because the democrats don’t care about anything but concentrating power in the federal government.

Mord on January 27, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Call your congresscritters and demand Scott Brown be present at the SOTU!

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 9:55 AM

3. Lame Duck Strategy – Wait until the 2010 elections are over and jam everything into a reconciliation bill. There may be so many members who have lost their jobs, they may be willing to pass something during the post election time when they have already lost their jobs.

Mark Boabaca on January 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM

THIS is what we will have to look out for. If the GOP takes the House you can bet Pelosi will go nuts and call a lame duck session to pass everything she can.

rockmom on January 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

It’s never over…the battlefield just changes.

Asher on January 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

//
Good point.We can never rest ,because they will just change their strategy and keep trying to push thru what they can.
Let’s hope the gop is smart and gets their act together,finding out that when they follow what the people want,their polls go up.

ohiobabe on January 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

lame duck strategy sounds scary.

also, can we find the parts of Porky I that funded these health panels so that we can start asking our Congressman (or those candidates trying to unseat our icky Congressman) to speak out?

kelley in virginia on January 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

THIS is what we will have to look out for. If the GOP takes the House you can bet Pelosi will go nuts and call a lame duck session to pass everything she can.

rockmom on January 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

That’s a dumb move though. The GOP can just undo all of it a few weeks later when they’re sworn in. And on top of that, they’ll have a great issue to run on in 2012.

Doughboy on January 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM

OT:

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Obama’s new budget eliminates NASA’s Ares rocket program effectively killing the return to the Moon and any future Mars missions. Apparently NASA is to redirect its efforts at researching climate change.

The first flag you see on Mars will be Chinese.

johnsteele on January 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM

These people do not care what polls say on this issue, they are going to shove it into one end of our alimentary canal or the other. Take it to the bank.

thomasaur on January 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

DITTO!

flytier on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

30% said to pass ObamaCare and 48% want to start work on different health care bills. Only 21% don’t want to work on some sort of health care reform.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Can’t they just kill National Socialist Healthcare and put it out of OUR misery?

Colbyjack on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

omahaconservative–who is NOT seating Scott Brown? who will sit in Mass’s Senate chair, because I understand that the interim appointee’s “seat” ends immediately after the election.

kelley in virginia on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Waterloo: Why we don’t want Obamacare

1. The law is unknown and secret. No one even knows what is in it. And when asked, Senators actually laughed at the idea that they would read it when in became known. They laughed with aristocratic contempt, at us, the rabble.

2. The law is unfair on its face. No law is credible that exempts significant groups (and even States) from its application.

3. The law is expensive. The Democrats will never be able to pass it until they explain how to pay for it. The idea that health care reform will create meaningful job growth is absurd.

Liberal criticism of our opposition to Obamacare is nothing but hot air if it does not address these points. And until then, we are absolutely free to highlight the socialist tendencies of Obamacare, and of its contemptible (but dangerous) creators.

GTR640 on January 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no.

AcidReflux on January 27, 2010 at 10:00 AM

This is true. The ‘Grow Fins’ and ‘crr6’s’ of the world are still out there Hope’n and Changin’ and Believin’…

BigWyo on January 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Fins returned from its vacation in Habana and had a drive-by comment last night on one of the other threads. Then immediately slithered back under its bridge.

Del Dolemonte on January 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM

OT:

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Obama’s new budget eliminates NASA’s Ares rocket program effectively killing the return to the Moon and any future Mars missions. Apparently NASA is to redirect its efforts at researching climate change.

The first flag you see on Mars will be Chinese.

johnsteele on January 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM

–Armstrong and Aldrin put a US flag there in 1969.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Oops. Thought you said Moon. My bad.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:02 AM

The Democrat`s ship the SS Obama (and its lifeboats “Hope” and “Change”) is sinking rapidly…

albill on January 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM

30% said to pass ObamaCare and 48% want to start work on different health care bills. Only 21% don’t want to work on some sort of health care reform.
Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Because people want them to allow all 1,300 Health Insurance Companies to be able to compete in every state. They don’t want government to control and ruin their lives and destroy the greatest Healthcare System in the World.

kingsjester on January 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM

I am sick and tired of worrying day after day about what congress is doing. I never really gave any attention to politics before a couple of years ago but I got interested because there was an election going on and I had nothing better to do while house-bound. I voted for the first time in my life because I wanted McCain and Palin to win and I was nervous that Obama was too inexperienced.

Now I know why most people never pay attention to politics. It’s an ugly and scary clusterfark that you cannot un-see once your eyes are opened.

Mord on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Obama can’t be deaf with ears like that

steviedfromnc on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

I’ll believe it when it’s dead. Not until.

csdeven on January 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM

H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The Council is the brain child of former Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle. Before the Porkulus Bill passed, Betsy McCaughey, former Lieutenant governor of New York, wrote in detail about the Council’s purpose.

Daschle’s stated purpose (and therefore President Obama’s purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept “hopeless diagnoses.”

McCaughey goes on to explain:

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

Who is on the Council? One of its most prominent members is none other than Dr. Death himself Ezekiel Emanuel. Dr. Emanuel’s views on care of the elderly should frighten anyone who is or ever plans on being old.

1.1 Billion from the Stimulus was directed to this Commission and to the start of Obamacare. We need to get it defunded and the commission work stopped.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM

I won’t trust that Obamacare is dead until the 112th Congress is sworn in. Remain vigilant.

Revenant on January 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Three more years. Good Grief.

Itchee Dryback on January 27, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Cap and trade can and will be done through EPA: No Congress needed, at least to start.

SDN on January 27, 2010 at 10:07 AM

30% said to pass ObamaCare and 48% want to start work on different health care bills. Only 21% don’t want to work on some sort of health care reform.
Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Because people want them to allow all 1,300 Health Insurance Companies to be able to compete in every state. They don’t want government to control and ruin their lives and destroy the greatest Healthcare System in the World.

kingsjester on January 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM

–Then you need a federal bill to do that because that’s not what the current law is.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM

–Armstrong and Aldrin put a US flag there in 1969.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM

The moon or Mars?

BuckeyeSam on January 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM

So many problems…so much time wasted. Real issues ignored, trillions spent. Leaders who can’t be trusted. I’m 55 years old and I’ve never seen the country in such a mess.

As for the health care bill, Reid and Pelosi are the most deceitful people on the planet and they’re fully capable of ramming this through by any means possible. Since when have they cared what the people want? The majority of Americans didn’t want porkulus, yet here we are, trillions of dollars in debt. 12 trillion I believe it is.

scalleywag on January 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Obama can’t be deaf with ears like that

steviedfromnc on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Just dumb.

Maquis on January 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Moon for the flag. I misread JohnSteele’s post and thought he wrote “moon” instead of “Mars”, as he did.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Obama can’t be deaf with ears like that

steviedfromnc on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

He’s not. He just can’t hear over his own screaming, “Me me me me me me me me me me!”

BuckeyeSam on January 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Obama just needs to get angry!!! Then his numbers will go back up!!! ~Michelle Obama

MeatHeadinCA on January 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM

I look for a fiesty (petulant) SOTU tonight.

kingsjester on January 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM

FYI, from an article in The Hill today:

Snowe said Lincoln has talked to her about moving a proposal to create a nationwide insurance purchasing pool for small businesses and that Nelson has discussed other ideas.

Snowe, Collins and Bond have already signed on to a bill sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) that would establish an insurance pool for small businesses and the self-employed to offer a choice of private health plans.

Snowe said proposals to sell insurance across state lines and extend tax cuts to small businesses to help them provide healthcare coverage to their employees are two other proposals that could win bipartisan support.

But one of the most popular elements of healthcare reform, a ban on insurance companies discriminating against pre-existing medical conditions, would be difficult to include in a scaled-down package, Senate aides say.

Snowe has made it clear she will not support the 2,733-page healthcare bill that passed the Senate in September.

She said the only way for the White House to break the partisan stalemate is to reach out to her and Republican colleagues.

“If they really want to change the calculation, they have to reach out,” Snowe said.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Obama can’t be deaf with ears like that

steviedfromnc on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Now that’s funny right there…I don’t care who you are!

search4truth on January 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

“If they really want to change the calculation, they have to reach out,” Snowe said.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM

And unlock the friggen door!

Maquis on January 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Dems are pro-abortion. This bill is an abortion. Dems should be happy.

Akzed on January 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

This fiasco is like one of those b-list horror movies.

Just when you think the villain is dead, he reaches out a blood-stained hand and grabs the heroine by the ankle.

I won’t relax until this thing is D.E.A.D., autopsied, and the credits start rolling.

marybel on January 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM

One caveat: CNN didn’t release the partisan breakdown of the sample. It’s possible, but rather unlikely (highly unlikely or absolutely freaking impossible)given CNN’s track record, that the poll oversampled Republicans.

FIFY, Ed.

Extrafishy on January 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

The zombie legislation will head back underground, awaiting its chance to reappear and feast on the innards of America.

Bishop on January 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM

You said it. The key to defeating this is to defeat and destroy the so-called “progressive” movement. Aside from infecting and corrupting our government for the past 70 years, its agents have corrupted our culture and our schools.

Take back the latter and you have a shot at saving the Republic. A daunting task considering the damage that’s already been done.

J.J. Sefton on January 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Attn yoda:
Billboard on 72 & Pacific in Omaha, Priceless. Less than two miles from Sen Judas Nelson’s Omaha office.

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Obama circa March ’09 – “I won.”

How’s that working out for you now, Champ?

connertown on January 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Good thing he’s got a whole boatload of political capital to draw upon and rescue his signature legislative effort….er. wait…

ted c on January 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Snowe, Collins and Bond have already signed on to a bill sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) that would establish an insurance pool for small businesses and the self-employed to offer a choice of private health plans.Snowe said proposals to sell insurance across state lines and extend tax cuts to small businesses to help them provide healthcare coverage to their employees are two other proposals that could win bipartisan support.

Here-in lies the problem Jimbo. The Dems never sought bipartisan support for this bill. They thought with a majority in both chambers, input from the Republicans would be accepted with the token jesture or bipartisanship, while the \”deals\” with insurance and pharmas were already written in stone. If the Democrats had originally offered \”proposals to sell insurance across state lines and extend tax cuts to small businesses to help them provide healthcare coverage to their employees\”, there would have been NO DEAL with the insurance companies—hence the impass was inevitable. The democrats own this debacle lock, stock, and the \”barrels of unfunded mandates\”. Typically, they got greedy for power and control. They lost.

Rovin on January 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Call your congresscritters and demand Scott Brown be present at the SOTU!

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 9:55 AM

I think Scott is passing on the SOTU of his own accord. He plans on being seated on the 11th.

BTW, did you see my post to you last night? We quite possibly have another Republican on Cape Cod planning to run for Bill Delahunt’s Congressional seat. The guy’s name is Jeff Perry – he is a state representative. Former cop, attorney, family man – everybody’s next door neighbor. He published a book last year called My GOP. I can’t do any fancy linking where I am so you’ll have to do some googling to find his stuff but I think he’s hopping on his surfboard and riding the wave.

turfmann on January 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Jimbo, the dead horse is asking you try beating yourself for a while.

Chuck Schick on January 27, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Yeah, the Democrats are ‘going to put it off until later’.

TRANSLATION: The House Democrats don’t trust the Senate Democrats, and Harry DOESN’T HAVE THE 51 votes!

GarandFan on January 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Waterloo: Why we don’t want Obamacare
GTR640 on January 27, 2010

In addition to your excellent points, the law is unconstitutional in that it requires citizens to purchase something and does not allow the individual to decline to make said purchase.

Crusader Rabbit on January 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM

turfmann on January 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

I’ll look into it this afternoon. I have to get going to a prior commitment I made. Thanks for the heads-up.

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM

–Armstrong and Aldrin put a US flag there in 1969.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM

LOL Jimbo, you must of heard that from Joe Biden.

Moon for the flag. I misread JohnSteele’s post and thought he wrote “moon” instead of “Mars”, as he did.

Jimbo3 on January 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

We knew that Jimbo, but your mis-read will end up on Huffpo anyway… :)

JusDreamin on January 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Oh, what a tangled we weave when first we practice to deceive.

kingsjester on January 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Wow.

First, the public turns against Obama.

Now This.

Not a good month for The One!

UltimateBob on January 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM

I saw Rep. Weiner on Fox earlier and when asked about scrapping health care to focus on jobs, he said that the health care bill is a jobs bill.

According to him, the collective states are $350 Billion in the hole and one third of those deficits are due to health care costs.

This is not over.

Jvette on January 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM

This ain’t over. Please read about Nelson, Lincoln etc. “wooing” the 2 sob-sisters from ME, SnoweJob and Collins.
This is not over, said it on other threads. The demoncRATS have wanted this for decades. They will not give up when this close to their coveted prize; the destruction of the free market healthcare system envied by the rest of the world.

mountainmanbob on January 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Wow.
First, the public turns against Obama.
Now This.

Not a good month for The One!
UltimateBob on January 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Knicks beat Minnesota?

Chuck Schick on January 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM

omahaconservative–who is NOT seating Scott Brown? who will sit in Mass’s Senate chair, because I understand that the interim appointee’s “seat” ends immediately after the election.

kelley in virginia on January 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Kirk will be there, wrongly. Galvin is refusing to certify Brown before Feb. 11 citing Mass absentee ballot BS. ( They seated Tsongas when it suited them… )

dogsoldier on January 27, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The dems now know Obamunistcare is a total losing proposition for them and that they will be scrubbed in November.

They are in a panic and know the only way they can save themselves is to make it look like they are fixing the economy, but that will not work, because the socialists Pelosi, Reid and Obama A. Believe their own Rhetoric and B. Don’t really have a clue about how to fix the economy.

dogsoldier on January 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM

OmahaConservative on January 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Ben Nelson sign. Great….then it wasn’t just a rumor….our money to Boot Ben is going to good use. Wonder when Ben will have a sign put next to it to remind us that 9 out 10 people come up to thank him for voting for the Healthcare Scam?

Too bad the sign isn’t closer to his office…like 76th and Pacific. That would really hurt!!! Close enough though.

Maybe Ed will look at your post photo and use it for a future thread?

yoda on January 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM

You said it. The key to defeating this is to defeat and destroy the so-called “progressive” movement. Aside from infecting and corrupting our government for the past 70 years, its agents have corrupted our culture and our schools.
Take back the latter and you have a shot at saving the Republic. A daunting task considering the damage that’s already been done.
J.J. Sefton on January 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Reagan said it best:

“Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction.  We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream.  It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.  Or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States when men were free.” Ronald Reagan. 

One other thing – the current popular label for the Left is ‘progressive’ which if you know anything about them it’s just another word for ‘Stalinist’ or ‘Communist’ or ‘Marxist’ or ‘Leninist’ or ‘Fascist’.

One that is discredited {as is always the case with these labels the left places on themselves } they will Move on to another label like Pragmatist or something.

Colbyjack on January 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM

If Dems manage to keep control of the house, Nancy will still be in charge. She’s hell bent on getting this control over us, thru health care. She will NOT let it die. She may shelve it til after the elections. But if Dems keep control of the house, rest assured, she will not let it go.

capejasmine on January 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM

This is true. The ‘Grow Fins’ and ‘crr6’s’ of the world are still out there Hope’n and Changin’ and Believin’…

BigWyo on January 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Absolutely right. If we “win” using the prevailing definition, it just means we go back to moving leftward more slowly, and give time for our opponents to lick their wounds and re-group. That’s just a slow death. Let’s take a page from the Muslims–winning means the opposition/enemy converts, or dies. Let’s not go back to either a pre-9/11 mentality or a pre-Nov ’08 mentality.

JiangxiDad on January 27, 2010 at 11:57 AM

This opinion no longer is about the bill it is about the government abusing power.

The Dems need to realize that. I hope they don’t… although I think we are better off with a two party system in the long run…

Maybe what will emerge after the Dems demolish their party will be a more sensible party.

In many ways that process has begun for Republicans. Although I predict a return to corruption if the Dems destroy themselves completely.

One party rule is not a good idea! Even if it is the Rs.

petunia on January 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM

If Dems manage to keep control of the house, Nancy will still be in charge. She’s hell bent on getting this control over us, thru health care. She will NOT let it die. She may shelve it til after the elections. But if Dems keep control of the house, rest assured, she will not let it go.

capejasmine on January 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM

What makes you think that is even a possibility at this point. Nancy is out. It is only months away now and no way they can undo what has been done that fast.

Christmas Eve vote. That keeps coming back to me over and over. They had to do this on Christmas so the public wouldn’t see what they were up to.

That is as close to Totalitarianism as we have ever come. I don’t think even Roosevelt would have condoned a Christmas Eve vote. That is just sinister!

Oh and Mao on the people’s Christmas tree? That is sinister too.

Nope Nancy is out. You don’t just mess with Christmas that way.

petunia on January 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Death Panel.

james23 on January 27, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Yesterday, Harry Reid signaled surrender on ObamaCare, seven long months after he and Nancy Pelosi promised to complete it in just six weeks — but did they give up in time?

According to Dick Morris on Fox & Friends this morning, this is just a smoke screen to cover up that Reid & Pelosi are madly cutting deals still to get something, anything, in play that they can build on later.

Apparently they need to get the heat off their Congressional members who are up for reelection, and give them some cover for opposing the bill during this election cycle. With ‘reconciliation’ needing only 51 votes, theoretically they can lose 8 Dem votes and still pass something.

Backroom game playing and phony dealings supposedly for the public’s own good are rife these days, and the finger is pointing directly at the ones who promised to clean up the culture of corruption Inside the Beltway if they regained majority control: the Democratic Party.

Fortunately, the American voter is much more informed on these issues in today’s world than the Dems ever imagined possible.

KendraWilder on January 27, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Harry Reid, Dec 21 2009:

“Much of our attention this year has been consumed by this health care debate. And a Harvard study found that 45,000 times this year – nearly 900 times every week, more than 120 times a day, on average every 10 minutes, without end – an American died as a direct result of not having health insurance.

Harry Reid, Jan 26 2010:

The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, deflected questions about health care. “We’re not on health care now,” he said. “We’ve talked a lot about it in the past.” He added, “There is no rush,” and noted that Congress still had most of this year to work on the health bills passed in 2009 by the Senate and the House…

Wow. Harry no longer considers 45,000 American deaths to be of any real importance.

BobMbx on January 27, 2010 at 1:39 PM

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