Should conservatives get behind Obama’s spending freeze?

posted at 11:36 am on January 26, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

One effect of Barack Obama’s intention to freeze a small portion of federal spending has become apparent — conservatives have mixed emotions on how to approach it.  Many have, as Jazz Shaw puts it, “heaped scorn” on the idea for reasons I’ve already outlined.  Others like Bill Kristol see opportunity to turn public perception around towards better fiscal discipline:

Republicans, in a spirit of bipartisanship, should praise the president for beginning to come to his senses about too much government spending (and for acknowledging at the same time that national security spending can’t be frozen). They can point out that of course in the spirit of the spending freeze we can’t be creating new and expensive entitlements (health care). And then they can work to expand the discussion of how we’re going to deal with the deficit and the debt by re-limiting the size and scope of the federal government. Obama’s pseudo-spending freeze is a chance for Republicans to be (refreshingly!) bipartisan, and to take advantage of Obama’s willingness to move the debate over the rest of this year to a terrain—who will constrain big government?–that is good for them, and the country.

Jim Geraghty agrees:

My argument is not “hooray Obama” and in fact it doesn’t have much to do with Obama’s specific proposal. My argument is that we’ve gotten a man who campaigned on expanding government to concede that his vision is not affordable. This is an enormous opportunity for those who want to see a smaller, more focused government.

For starters, any Democrat who opposes the spending freeze can now be justifably painted as reckless, out of control, unserious about budget matters and a threat to the nation’s long-term economic future. “Even President Obama says we have to freeze spending now. Why is Congressman So-and-so now calling for even more spending that we can’t afford?” There is enormous potential to drive a deep wedge between Obama and a large part of the Democratic caucus.

Second, by making this proposal, Obama is conceding a large portion of the terms of the debate. For all extents and purposes, spending increases are now off the table. Will Obama probably switch back and propose more spending in coming years? Of course. But now the GOP can point to Obama’s own proposals and own words, not just as a candidate – because we know all of those statements come with an expiration date — but the centerpiece of his first State of the Union.

These are good points, and well taken.  If Republicans want to be seen as the party of reduced federal spending, then we have to support, well, reduced federal spending.  Even steps in the right direction should come with positive reactions, especially since they do create a baseline of expectation that further increases will break these pledges — even if Obama attempts to explain that the increases were exempted from the freeze.  It makes all of his potential big-spending programs that much more politically fraught, and Democrats supporting them that much more politically vulnerable, in the long run.

So we should say that a spending freeze on the small portion of the budget that Obama highlights is good — for a start.  As Veronique de Rugy makes clear, though, the real budget problems don’t come from this portion of the budget anyway.  Furthermore, the spending “freeze” is still mainly a sham that follows on a three-year period of Democratic budgeting that increased federal outlays more than the previous six years of Republican budgeting ($900 billion, possibly more, to $800 billion).  Republicans need to make that point very clear and argue that while a freeze is the first step, the next step must be to roll back those federal-budget increases back to at least 2007 levels in order to actually impact the budget deficit, let alone long-term debt.  That will require significant cuts in federal programs that Democrats created or inflated over the last three years while having control of the pursestrings.

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I think passive support combined with ideas for additional cuts.

We can support it without giving him any real credit by simply saying “that’s a good start and we’ll vote for it but here’s how we think it can be even more effective.”

johnsteele on January 26, 2010 at 12:12 PM

What does Ellie Light say?

ORconservative on January 26, 2010 at 12:12 PM

We have to. It’s true Obama’s trying to outmaneuver the right by taking a page out of our playbook, but we can maneuver right back by supporting this as long as it’s legit. The point of government isn’t to win elections, it’s to make sure we’re doing the right thing by the people, and this is the right thing. I don’t care who’s in charge as long as that’s what they’re doing.

Now, whether this is real or not is another issue.

Red Cloud on January 26, 2010 at 12:13 PM

picklesgap on January 26, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I don’t see it as a case of supporting the President for taking a step in the right direction. I see it as using his words to keep his actions in check, or using them as a bludgeon when he goes against his promises. If Obama talks about taking steps to curb spending, it enables Republicans to remind him of those words when he decides to increase spending.

Tonus on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to 2000.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to 2000.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Seriously, I thought they were toying with another stimulus (porkulicious). How do you freeze spending and talk slush funds?
The Republicans and everyone who is not a Democrat member of Congress need to ask some serious questions before deciding any approach to this farce.

ORconservative on January 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM

I think the republicans should support this spending freeze. Then when things go back to normal with the spending they can say hey we voted for the freeze and wanted more cuts. This way if a bill is passed the dems can’t say the republicans are trying to stop this. What we also have to becareful of is that this bill isn’t loaded with pork or has more entitlement spending that will be raised. I mean that is if we see the bill before they vote on it.

Brat4life on January 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM

The GOP response tonight should outline the fact that “freezing” this current leviathon deficit doesn’t do much but keep us heading into the toilet. If you’re a family and you’re spending twice as much money each month and you “freeze” the amount of money you’re spending – it still means you’re a looser folks – and headed toward bankruptcy.

GOP should agree to a FREEZE after HUGE CUTS have been made and the GOP should outline where those cuts should be made.

HondaV65 on January 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to industrial revolution levels.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to industrial revolution levels.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Yes or no?

daesleeper on January 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Repeal the stimulus and deduct that figure from the debt. Then look around for other cuts. Oh, yeah, lose the car companies and student loan business for another. Get outta the tarp business, too.

Kissmygrits on January 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM

And for my pure-hearted friends who want real cuts as opposed to “just” a spending freeze, we haven’t spent less from one year to the next since Ike was in office.

motionview on January 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM

As a great president that we all claim to adore once said. “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Barack Obama is now in an unsustainable logical position. If a partial freeze might help the economy then a real, government wide spending freeze will put Americans back to work and get this economy moving. We need to push hard for a complete, indefinite spending freeze. And no specific recommendations on what to cut; they have the power, let them take the heat.

motionview on January 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I see… pork barrels…. support the freeze but push for deeper cuts on the administrative dead wood. And the six Repubs who went to Copenhagen should be strung up!

catlady on January 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Should conservatives get behind Obama’s spending freeze HEADFAKE ?

Fixed it for you.
(no charge)

LegendHasIt on January 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM

For years, the Democrats have been the master of the “Get what you can now, come back for the rest latter” stratagy. It’s now time for us to play that game.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM

You never disappoint, Ed. You can be counted on to take even slimy hacks like Osama Obama at their word and get all squishy and hands-across-the-table when they throw out a poisoned bone.

We are in the mess we’re in because the Repubs/conservatives have never held the Chicago Jesus’s feet to the fire. They should rise up as one and expose his lies while offering plans and legislation that deliver real reductions in the deficit.

A serial liar should not be believed. An America-hater should not be given a chance to govern. When both attributes are embodied in one man, it is incumbent on all who care to do everything possible to minimize his power, not pat him on the head when his latest lie seems less awful than average.

MrScribbler on January 26, 2010 at 12:19 PM

LOL … it appears people don’t realize that when you “freeze” a ONE TRILLION dollar deficit – you’re still spending more money than we have – or our children have.

Look at this way – you’re BLEEDING at the rate of 1 pint per hour and the doctor says … “Hey, I’m not going to stop your bleeding – but I’m going to ‘freeze’ it at one pint per hour.”

You’re dead in four hours dudes and dudettes.

HondaV65 on January 26, 2010 at 12:19 PM

All the more reason for Republicans to engage Obama on this proposal. Especially if he makes it a big part of his State of the Union speech.

He can either negotiate with us, using this proposal as a starting point. And further alienate his base.
Or he can try and back out, and completely alienate the middle class and moderates.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 12:10 PM

No,you’re wrong.

This is NOT an attempt by Obama to swing to a more fiscally moderate position, it is an attempt to dress up his restructuring of the government as a “SPENDING FREEZE” when in fact he intends to boost the funding of his favored projects to the detriment of other currently-working projects.

Take a look at what an administration economist explained to Rachel Maddow yesterday here. The Administration WANTS TO PLAY A SHELL GAME with federal spending and call it a SPENDING FREEZE. They will move funds from effective programs and shuffle it to programs that have the blessing of SEIU, ACORN and the DNC.

Do NOT fall for Obama’s attempt to redefine “spending discipline” by cutting reshuffling funds to leftist-friendly federal projects and wrapping it up as fiscal responsibility.

This spending freeze will amount to be a more massive circus of corruption than the stimulus and the big-pharma-authored healthcare bill COMBINED.

Khorum on January 26, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I think they should support it as somewhere to start.

The first step is to admit you have a problem.

The far-left will continue to go nuts and any true conservatives that may be left in Congress can emphasize the difference in the tax-borrow-spend democrats and themselves.

cntrlfrk on January 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM

We should be behind reduced spending no matter who proposes it, or when.

We should be like a python. Whenever they inhale, we need to squeeze that budget a little tighter.

hawksruleva on January 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Someone earlier also noted the ‘freeze’ doesn’t start until 2011. So if it’s a good idea a year from now, with another new budget to be voted on in the interim, why not make the freeze immediate?

Then push the Dems for more, including outright spending cuts? And make no mention of tax cuts, because that would return a talking point to the Dems.

A little at a time, and the Pubs can make this work if they’re smart.

Liam on January 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Do NOT fall for Obama’s attempt to redefine “spending discipline” by cutting reshuffling funds to leftist-friendly federal projects and wrapping it up as fiscal responsibility.

Khorum on January 26, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I agree that’s a likely outcome. But he’s going to shuffle those funds around anyway. If he does so while cutting spending on other programs, that gives us yet another point in the political debate.

And it reduces the number of dollars going out of Washington.

hawksruleva on January 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I’ve been perusing DKos and HuffPo this morning, reading all the comments on this subject. I am so freaking naive that I was actually shocked by the flood of lefties that believe this freeze will “OMG DESTROY THE COUNTRY!!!eleventy!!1″. It’s so depressing. I wish I didn’t care so much that I’m surrounded by moronic looters.

shibumiglass on January 26, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Obummer’s idea of spending freezes will likely resemble Bill Clinton’s idea of a balanced budget. Namely, hijack even more Social Security into the general fund, and project budget surpluses that never materialize and are quickly forgotten when the economy takes a downturn.

That being said, Captain Bullshit will “attempt” to freeze spending only to run into eeeevil Republicans who want to do it by starving children and old people, instead of doing the “right” thing by slashing military budgets and disarming.

The point of government isn’t to win elections, it’s to make sure we’re doing the right thing by the people, and this is the right thing.

And to paraphrase Milton Friedman, where do you propose that we find these angels in government who will do the right thing by the people? Government. Cannot. Be. Trusted. This is why our government was designed to be limited in scope and size.

No, the point of government is to rape, pillage, and loot. We have a representative republic so that we at least have the option of removing the worst offenders and minimizing the damage.

TheMightyMonarch on January 26, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Democrats smartening up!!!

Reps. Bobby Bright, D-Ala., and Mike McMahon, D-N.Y., sent a “Dear Colleague” letter on Thursday asking their fellow congressmen to support extending the Bush tax cuts, passed in 2001 and 2003, at least for two years.

“Allowing these tax rates to expire during this recession runs the risk of curtailing economic expansion just when it begins to pick up and could lead to a ‘double-dip’ recession,” says the letter.

We agree and suggest that keeping them might put jobs back into this jobless recovery. Businesses need certainty for long-term planning and risk-taking, not one-year, one-time tax credit gimmicks.

RushBaby on January 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Option 2 with footnotes;

1) The republican leadership needs to aggressively control its message and not allow the MSM to spin this into nObamas crowning bipartisan achievement.
2) Fully define national security programs, I’m afraid the democrats will gut the replacement tanker, F35 and the CVN21 programs along with others as not needed in the new age of American weakness.

dmann on January 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM

This is such a gift for Conservatives I feel like this week is going to be as good as last week. The left will chew thenselves up over this.

Not one dime more than we spent last year until we balance the budget. A government wide, indefinite freeze.

motionview on January 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to 2000.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to 2000 1970.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

FIFY.

One can dream…..

UltimateBob on January 26, 2010 at 12:32 PM

This year’s deficit projection is $1.35 trillion. I recall from the 80s when the Dems were complaining about ‘Reagan’s’ $68 billion deficit.

The Pubs can do a lot with this. They don’t need to be on every news station, either. With FNC the largest media outlet, people can learn the details to them talk with family, friends, and co-workers. A little at a time, one-on-one, and eventually a larger grassroots movement can be sustained.

We can save our country if at least one of the major Parties has the will to do it.

Liam on January 26, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Freeze at what? A 1.7 trillion dollar per year deficit?

Thank you, but the devil is in the details. Let him get REALLY specific first.

drjohn on January 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Thank you, but the devil is in the details. Let him get REALLY specific first.

drjohn on January 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Or, maybe, let the Pubs get specific and force the Dems onto the defensive?

Liam on January 26, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Republicans should support the idea of a freeze, should expose how meek Obama’s freeze actually is, and should make their own counterproposal.

So yes they should welcome the presidents move in this direction, but at the same time they have to make sure that what is being discussed is merely rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

They need to expose the hypocrisy of this small freeze against the backdrop of the huge cascade of wasteful stimulus being dumped into on black hole after another.

exceller on January 26, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Now, whether this is real or not is another issue.
Red Cloud on January 26, 2010 at 12:13 PM

No, it’s entirey the issue.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to 2000.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to 1970 while still using 2010 dollars (i.e., no adjusted for inflation).

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM
UltimateBob on January 26, 2010 at 12:32 PM

One can dream…..

That would be nice. And, wasn’t education performance perceived to be better back then when the Dept of Education did not exist?

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:42 PM

The freeze is a crock, it won’t be implemented until 2011, most likely when the dems loose control of one, or both, of the houses. What Obama wants to do is waste every penny he can get his hands on and then limit the next congress to do what they need to.

It reminds me of the Clinton Secret Service law, where he said that now Presidents will only have protection for X number of years, but that the law (or order) would only deal with Presidents after himself.

Rbastid on January 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM

It’s a trap.

Conservatives have to support it, but say that it is a woefully small first step that doesn’t begin to address the core issue.

And then they need to point out the abject hypocricy of inflating the budget far beyond where it has ever been and then “freezing” it…plus, of course, the other spending behemoths they have in the works.

notagool on January 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I support any non-defense spending freeze, but people should be aware that The Precedent wants to freeze spending like he wanted to surge troops in Afghanistan. This is, obviously, just a ploy thought up by the brain-dead Indonesian to make it look as if he is getting tough on spending (LOL) and The Precedent will drag it out and try to not do it (even after he announces it) just as he intentionally dithered on the troop request.

So, The Precedent has my support for a spending freeze, but with the awareness that he thinks he’s pulling a fast one on people he thinks don’t know who and what he is. We know exactly what he is and what he is trying to do. Nothing from his mouth can be taken seriously and, even after something is down on paper, The Precedent can still not be trusted to carry it out because he is a pathological liar whose only goal is the destruction of our nation.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I agree that’s a likely outcome. But he’s going to shuffle those funds around anyway. If he does so while cutting spending on other programs, that gives us yet another point in the political debate.

And it reduces the number of dollars going out of Washington.

hawksruleva on January 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM

It’s not just a “likely outcome”, it’s the INTENDED outcome as enunciated by Administration Economist Jared Bernstein ANNOUNCED on MSNBC: Obama will play a shell game with the federal budget and move funds from out-of-favor federal programs and shuffle them into those programs that the Administration’s friends and patrons love the most.

Does ANYONE actually believe that the same administration that cut backroom deals like the Cornhusker Kickback and the Louisiana Purchase on behalf of Big Pharma will be able to re-engineer the federal budget in such a way that does NOT favor the worst radical notions they nurture?

This is a singular opportunity for the republicans to expose the rotten backroom horse-trading that powered the porkulus and the healthcare bill and to frame EVERY FUTURE ATTEMPT BY OBAMA TO SWING RIGHT as the cynical, opportunistic gimmick it will always be.

If Obama sticks to his “Scalpel over Hatchet” approach to the stimulus package conservatives should hammer on it relentlessly as Obama’s attempt to move funds away from farmers and manufacturers and to those projects that SEIU and ACORN have championed.

Khorum on January 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM

He’s president. By the nature of the job, it means that he gets to set the agenda. We either play by his rules, or we opt out of the game, and lose any claim to be serious players.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Ridiculous, in civic and political terms. We don’t play by “his rules”; we, as he, “play” by the rules of our constitution.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 12:46 PM

This opens the door for conservatives to present a platform that independents can vote for — but how long will we wait with the door wide open before a consensus platform is articulated (if ever)?

Mark30339 on January 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM

The Republicans should not only support it, they should hold the Democrats feet to the fire. EVERY Democratic move to spend should be held up and they should ask “IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY?”.

Nancy Pelosi was unavailable for comment. Something about scrubbing cost data from that trip to Copenhagen.

GarandFan on January 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Seriously, I thought they were toying with another stimulus (porkulicious). How do you freeze spending and talk slush funds?
The Republicans and everyone who is not a Democrat member of Congress need to ask some serious questions before deciding any approach to this farce.

ORconservative on January 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Spending on Porkulus, Porkulus II*, Obamacare*, medicaid, medicare, Social Security, national security, defense, and all international and foreign aid is exempted from the spending freeze.

* = TBD

uknowmorethanme on January 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Of course, killing the remaining Porkulus would be a much better move than some ephemeral claims by the Indonesian imbecile to freeze spending. The GOP should counter The Precedent’s minor freeze notion with the Porkulus killer bill. They should also pound The Precedent on why he had so many problems with this when McShame made this proposal (more encompassing, though, and one of McShame’s few good ideas during the campaign) during the debates.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM

He’s president. By the nature of the job, it means that he gets to set the agenda. We either play by his rules, or we opt out of the game, and lose any claim to be serious players.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM

This post causes you to lose any claim to be a serious poster.

uknowmorethanme on January 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM

All smoke & mirrors prior to SotU speach. What a difference a week makes. What a weak president Fauxbama makes.

BHO Jonestown on January 26, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Oppose as a fraud because the spending situation is dire. There is no time for this voting of “present” when it comes to addressing the deficit and its ability to cause nearer and nearer term ruin.

Let’s get real please.

exdeadhead on January 26, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Don’t fall for it!

xblade on January 26, 2010 at 12:53 PM

He’s president. By the nature of the job, it means that he gets to set the agenda. We either play by his rules, or we opt out of the game, and lose any claim to be serious players.

MarkTheGreat

I didn’t realize I was living in Cuba.

xblade on January 26, 2010 at 12:54 PM

TI don’t see it as a case of supporting the President for taking a step in the right direction. I see it as using his words to keep his actions in check, or using them as a bludgeon when he goes against his promises…

Tonus on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Nail, meet hammer…

lovingmyUSA on January 26, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to 2000.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to 2000.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Adding to my bumpersticker collection. :D

lovingmyUSA on January 26, 2010 at 12:56 PM

The CBO report is out, Barry and Company are SCREWED!

The latest CBO budget estimates out Tuesday predict a $1.35 trillion deficit for this year. The CBO report predicts a sluggish economic recovery and continued high deficits. The red ink hit a record $1.4 trillion last year. The report sees a slow rebound of the economy, with unemployment averaging 10.1 percent this year. It would grow only slightly more next year with an unemployment rate of 9.5 percent.

IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

GarandFan on January 26, 2010 at 12:57 PM

He LIES!

moonsbreath on January 26, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Tom Friedman on Imus In The Morning, advises his Golfing Buddy – President Obama, to ignore the Tea Party Movement, and the Populism spreading across the country.

Dr Evil on January 26, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Dr Evil on January 26, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Perfect!!!!!!!!!!

dmann on January 26, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Dems: Want CO2 output equal to 2000.
GOP: Want federal government spending equal to 2000.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Absolutely brilliant, Jeff.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Why not Republicans — just throttle the debt ceiling?

tarpon on January 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM

This post causes you to lose any claim to be a serious poster.

uknowmorethanme on January 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM

A doubly hilarious statement, considering your username.

Dark-Star on January 26, 2010 at 1:20 PM

The question is: How many dollars will be saved or created by freezing some spending?

rgeaste on January 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Look at what budgetary chicanery has gleaned for California.

In a 12 month time span we had a $50 Billion dollar “shortfall” in a $150 Billion dollar budget.

A gap of one third is not a “shortfall“. It’s criminal.

I’m tired of Budget games. I can tell you where this will lead.

As a Californian, I can reply to the President’s call for a freeze in discretionary spending as the French soldier replied to King Arthur in Monty Python And The Holy Grail when tasked to ask his master to join Arthur in the quest for the Grail:

Well, I’ll ask him, but I don’t think he will be very keen. Uh, he’s already got one, you see.

In California we’ve already had 10 years of budget tricks and elaborate accounting Tomfoolery. And look what we’ve gotten.

Some people say that we’re on the precipice of bankruptcy. I’d counter that we’re well past that and on to something worse.

As goes California, so too, goes the nation.

juanito on January 26, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Excellent point. Let’s see if it gets any traction during the GOP rebuttal.

djaymick on January 26, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Press for spending cuts: talk to Senator Coburn about opportunities to attain spending cuts by, among other things, doing away with redundant programs and managerial systems. Frame proposals by asking, “What justification in the Constitution is there for this program?”

ya2daup on January 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Frame proposals by asking, “What justification in the Constitution is there for this program?”

ya2daup on January 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM

The GOP should reintroduce, and all get behind, the Enumerated Powers Act of Rep. Shadegg.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM

And then they need to point out the abject hypocracy of inflating the budget far beyond where it has ever been and then “freezing” it…plus, of course, the other spending behemoths they have in the works.

notagool on January 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Agreed. And kill further spending under the 2009 Porkulus bill.

ya2daup on January 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Dr Evil on January 26, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Perfect!!!!!!!!!!

dmann on January 26, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Thanks, Obama’s Phony Spending Freeze “It’s Called A Pretense”
GRIN.

Dr Evil on January 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I didn’t realize I was living in Cuba.

xblade on January 26, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Do you believe there would be a national discussion on a budget freeze, if Obama hadn’t brought it up?
Would there have been a push to nationalize health care had Obama not declared it one of his priorities?

By virtue of his command of the bully pulpit, the president lays the ground rules for any national debate.

Regan did it.
Clinton did it.
Bush did it.
Now Obama’s doing it.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 1:52 PM

This post causes you to lose any claim to be a serious poster.
uknowmorethanme on January 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM

A doubly hilarious statement, considering your username.
Dark-Star on January 26, 2010 at 1:20 PM

You’re laughing alone. If you maintain that if we don’t play by the President’s rules, either in a general constitutional or political sense (we have three co-equal branches of government not a monarchy, and would YOU ever consent to such irresponsible passivity if the roles were reversed?), or in particular given the unilateral dishonesty of this president’s “rules” so far, you’re not a serious poster in any sense.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM

if the GOP doesn’t go along…….I’m going to be STUNNED!!!

STUN ME GOP!!!

PappyD61 on January 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Dark-Star is still pissed because I keep proving his inane comments to be wrong.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Don’t know why other made a stink about your earlier comment. If the President wants to talk about the price of pickles in China, the price of pickles in China will be discussed and debated.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Obama is proposing to link one’s discretionary income to loan repayment of student loans. This should be a big warning to everyone. “Capping the size of federal college loan repayments at 10 percent of borrowers’ discretionary income”. This is an outrageous intrusion on personal privacy. Is anybody paying attention to this?

budadams99 on January 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

If that many people mis-took my meaning, then there is an outside chance that I should have been clearer.

The post that I was responding to was quite explicit that we should never play Obama’s game, since as president he gets to set the rules of that game. I thought it was pretty clear that I was responding within the analogy set up by the first poster.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM

On the other hand, other than Dark-Star, who has his own issues, I don’t recognize the call signs of any of the other people who responded to that post.

MarkTheGreat on January 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Don’t know why other made a stink about your earlier comment. If the President wants to talk about the price of pickles in China, the price of pickles in China will be discussed and debated.

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

The confusion arose because Mark said that we have to play by The Precedent’s rules or not be taken as serious players. I know that Mark is a stand-up commenter, but I disagree with his assertion that we have to play by The Precedent’s rules. In fact, quite the opposite, to be serious players, the GOP has to work to set the agenda – which they can. The Tea Partiers did just that because the GOP, save a few with integrity who have refused to buckle (like DeMint), thought like Mark that they had to play along.

If The Precedent decided to talk about the price of pickles in China, the appropriate response is not to debate those prices but to show what a “f#cking retard” (to use Rahm’s accurate description of the left and the administration he is a part of) he is.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM

It sounds nice and all, and if this president had one iota of credibility I would fully support it. Unfortunately he has proven himself to be a liar, cheat and fraud. He may freeze spending here, then balloon defense spending through no-bid contracts to his Chicago mob-boss Democrat donor buddies. Those “defense” dollars would go right back into defending his campaign.

This shell game is lame. True transparency, like allowing us to see what the SEC, AIG and NY Fed were doing with our money, would actually make a difference.

Rush said after Brown’s win that we should pay attention to the shape-shifting nature of the Democrats. Oh sure, they’re populists now. They’re for a balanced budget now. Sure. The last year has SHOWN us what they do when given power. It’s time to crush them with that information.

NTWR on January 26, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Mark – sorry if I misinterpreted.

Any president may exercise his bully pulpit and his powers of political suasion to whatever degree he is capable and in this sense he has huge advantages (as well as special obigations). But we have no obligation to concede or accept these persuasions. We judge it as it comes. A bully pulpit can be used for bad ends as well as good ones. In the former case, congress has power and obligation to resist. It also has power to veto and impeach.

But politically speaking it makes no sense to go along with a weak president at his weakest moment just because he is the president and maybe gets to call shots or try to control debate. Even when Reagan or Clinton were doing it well, people were still wondering and asking if what they were doing was sanctified by a mandate or even was good for the country. Many did not agree that it was good, and fought them fiercely. If you happen to think this “freeze” is a cruel and dishonest joke, you say so, and maybe offer something true and better, but in each case you accept the political consequences for it. That’s the system.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 2:42 PM

I agree. Passive support only though. To get behind it wholeheartedly is to breathe new life into Obama and he will ultimately have excuses for not doing much freezing while touting Republican support for him. If these leaders in Congress cannot get the appropriate message out that we need to pull back A LOT in spending and thank Obama for his initially understanding of that, but encourage and call on Obama EVERYDAY to pull back more and more on spending and to ensure that tax cuts don’t expire on top of that then they need to just STFU.

Sultry Beauty on January 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Do I have to remind everyone that the reason the country is in its current horrible shape is BECAUSE 52 MILLION VOTERS TRUSTED OBAMA!!!

docdave on January 26, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I agree. Passive support only though.

Sultry Beauty on January 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Yep. This is just like the troop surge in Afghanistan. The surge was the correct move, but even though The Precedent acted as if he was giving careful thought to it, the fact is that the surge was being used by The Precedent to harm the US, as The Precedent was not working on the surge, itself, but on the dithering that kept our stance static and harmed our interests. This minor spending freeze is the same, and the GOP should connect the two. It is a ploy and the GOP can say that they support the freeze (while proposing a bigger freeze that would actually mean something) but that they are aware that The Precedent is disingenuously using the freeze idea to dither on real spending restraint and harm the US, just as he did with the Afghan surge.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM

A “Freeze” is the wrong approach, because spending is already bloated.

Republicans should instead work to “CAP” spending, and agressively seek permanent reductions from there.

landlines on January 26, 2010 at 3:10 PM

You’re laughing alone.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM

I suppose it’s easier to laugh when one doesn’t have egg on one’s face.

As for the rest of your rambling ‘post’:

The President doesn’t make the ‘rules’. The President, who is the leader of the nation chosen by its inhabitants, gets to set the general direction of the nation because that is what presidents do. It’s a unique and powerful privilege that comes with the office.

Obviously, you don’t like the direction he’s going. Neither do I. But while we have the right to dissent, griping about a fundamental privilege of the executive branch is useless.

It’s the same deal anywhere else with an elected leader, except where the other ‘branches’ of government are so busy squabbling that even the leader can’t get hardly anything done.

Dark-Star on January 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Juicy: Read the dem’s reaction. Compare those up for re-election vs. those who are not.

RushBaby on January 26, 2010 at 3:30 PM

It costs $15bil for the House to get coffee. Big deal. Nice try. At least we’re in the same city the ball park is in.

Pablo Snooze on January 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM

They should double down…take Obama’s faux freeze and propose freezing other areas, or, heaven forbid, make actual cuts…My state is and the only world that is ending is for some state employees.

JIMV on January 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM

By all means, the Federal Government should be spending a LOT less money. But it goes much deeper. There are literally thousands of things they simply should not be even trying to do, even if they were free.

The Federal Government, to echo Mark Steyn, is not supposed to be a hotel offering services. So even when they offer them cheaper, they’re still engaged in illegitimate activities. Get rid of ALL forms of Federal welfare – Social security, Medicare, and on down the line. Get rid of all but the most minimal Federal functions. Dump the EPA, the Federal Reserve, the lot.

This country thrived from the mid to late 19th century at a more rapid pace than any country in history, precisely because individuals were free. Slice the Leviathan down to its proper functions, and no others. Do that and the money issue will take care of itself.

JDPerren on January 26, 2010 at 4:01 PM

the appropriate response is not to debate those prices but to show what a “f#cking retard” (to use Rahm’s accurate description of the left and the administration he is a part of) he is.

neurosculptor on January 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Well, that is an easy argurment to win. ;-)

WashJeff on January 26, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Dark-Star on January 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM

The original contention at issue was that we must play by the president’s rules. You can change the premise, but there it is.

As for rambling, thanks for the superfluous and subjective rant on the “fundamental privilege of the executive branch”. Is that in the Constitution? I missed it. In any case, read more carefully – I reaffirmed the idea of the bully pulpit. I also affimed the right and obligation of congress and citizenry to resist when impelled to so.

rrpjr on January 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM

should conservatives get behind Obama’s spending freeze?

What part of anything that he says should we take at face value? Bipartisanship, post racial, cut in spending.

I can’t help but laugh like a prerecorded laugh at a sitcom or old MASH show when I saw your question; like I’m going to do and hope the Congress does when the State of the Union is read from the TOTUS.

mdetlh on January 26, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Supporting Obama’s spendng freeze as a ‘good start’ will force Obama to act on his ‘freeze promise’ otherwise it will be another one of those Obama promises that he has no intention to keep.
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philly_PA on January 26, 2010 at 5:04 PM

I don’t care why BO wants to cut spending.
I don’t care if it’s even a little.
I don’t care if it’s a little too late.
It is better than nothing.
The republicans should go at this full tilt.
And then when BO does reverse himself, we can be there to throw it back in his face.
Honestly, none of them really want to do anything about all this horrenduc spending.
If they did, Congress would really be making some toug choices that actually accomplished something.
It’s the American people’s anger that has caused attention to turn to this arena.
And we need to get a whole lot angrier before something of substance actually happens.
But it’s a start.

Badger40 on January 26, 2010 at 5:16 PM

If Republicans support the freeze,all they will do is increase Bambi’s popularity and give Democraps ammunition to use to get him re-elected.They should come out loud and strong to expose it for the con job it is.
As I have said before,this part of the game Bambi is going to run on the voters.For a year,Bambi kept his face in front of the cameras,while doing nothing but waste taxpayer’s money.Now he is starting to try to paint himself as a fiscal conservative.If Republicans simply oppose the freeze,they look bad.If they support it,Bambi looks good.
It is(just like everything else about Bambi)a confidence game.Republicans must not only oppose it,they must EXPOSE IT for the fraud that it is.

DDT on January 26, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Republicans need to use political jiu-jitsu on this one.

Support the freeze, but demand a freeze in entitlement spending as well. Then point out that Obamacare was a massive spending hike. Keep with the Afghanistan theme of dithering. Point out that Obama was dithering on health care: he was proposing impossible socialist ponzi scemes instead of real reform while medicaid and medicare go bankrupt.

The commercial can go like this — Obama wanted to hike spending before he wanted to freeze it.

bitsy on January 26, 2010 at 5:42 PM

A “Freeze” is the wrong approach, because spending is already bloated.

Republicans should instead work to “CAP” spending, and agressively seek permanent reductions from there.

landlines on January 26, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Exactly. Didn’t he increase spending by about 10% in one year? Freezing spending at this increased level doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. It’s all bullsh!t. Bullsh!t I tell you!!!

NTWR on January 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM

It’s a trap.

Dems push a fraudulent freeze bill, and then when the Repubs oppose it, Dems say, “See, the Republicans are the party of No, even to cutting spending!”

fossten on January 26, 2010 at 6:01 PM

In a word:
No F’in way!

Cybergeezer on January 26, 2010 at 6:08 PM

With Barry it’s just empty words anyway.
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There is nothing to get on board with.
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Tomorrow, it will be some other talking point.
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esblowfeld on January 26, 2010 at 6:23 PM

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