WaPo: Decision to read rights to EunuchBomber “myopic, irresponsible … dangerous”

posted at 12:40 pm on January 23, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

On second thought, the editorial board of the Washington Post concludes, the idea to treat Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab wasn’t as good as we first thought.  In fact, as their editorial today makes clear, the decision resulted from incompetence, a myopic sense of counterterrorism, and a “knee-jerk” response to the Obama administration’s law-enforcement model.  And that’s just the Post clearing its throat:

It is now clear that the administration did not give serious thought to anything but Door No. 1. This was myopic, irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

Whether to charge terrorism suspects or hold and interrogate them is a judgment call. We originally supported the administration’s decision in the Abdulmutallab case, assuming that it had been made after due consideration. But the decision to try Mr. Abdulmutallab turns out to have resulted not from a deliberative process but as a knee-jerk default to a crime-and-punishment model.

In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Homeland Security Committee, Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, and Michael Leiter, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, all said they were not asked to weigh in on how best to deal with Mr. Abdulmutallab. Some intelligence officials, including personnel from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, were included in briefings by the Justice Department before Mr. Abdulmutallab was charged. These sessions did provide an opportunity for those attending to debate the merits of detention vs. prosecution. According to sources with knowledge of the discussions, no one questioned the approach or raised the possibility of taking more time to question the suspect. This makes the administration’s approach even more worrisome than it would have been had intelligence personnel been cut out of the process altogether.

That’s a rather damning indictment, but it’s not the worst of it.  According to DNI Dennis Blair’s testimony, the agents couldn’t have turned Abdulmutallab over to a program for interrogating high-value detainees even had they decided on that course of action.  Almost a full year after Barack Obama disbanded the Bush-era program, the replacement program has yet to launch (emphasis mine):

The nation’s intelligence chief said the man accused of trying to blow up an airliner on Christmas Day should have been questioned by a special interrogation team instead of being handled as an ordinary criminal suspect.

Dennis Blair, the director of national intelligence, told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Wednesday that officials botched the handling of terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who is accused of working with a Yemen-based offshoot of al Qaeda to try to bring down the Detroit-bound jet carrying 290 passengers and crew.

A new panel charged with designating so-called high-value terrorism suspects for special interrogations should have been used in the case and the suspect should have been questioned by an elite group of interrogators, said Mr. Blair, who used the expression “duh” to emphasize his point.

Later in the day, Mr. Blair issued a statement saying his comments were “misconstrued.” “The FBI interrogated Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab when they took him into custody,” his statement said. “They received important intelligence at that time, drawing on the FBI’s expertise in interrogation that will be available in the HIG once it is fully operational,” he said, referring to the High-Value Interrogation Group. …

In his testimony Wednesday, Mr. Blair said the HIG “was created exactly for this purpose—to make a decision on whether a certain person who’s detained should be treated as a case for federal prosecution or for some of the other means.”

He added: “We did not invoke the HIG in this case; we should have.”

The HIG teams don’t exist.  At all.  The WSJ reports that a task force created plans for HIG teams last summer, but the administration hasn’t moved forward towards creating them and making them operational.  On Wednesday, an administration official said that the FBI was working with the Pentagon and the intelligence community to move forward.

Why did we dismantle the previous interrogation teams without having their replacements ready?  We are, after all, at war — and our enemies didn’t take the year off, as we saw on Christmas Day.  The lack of trained interrogation teams ready to act leaves us at risk for more failures on dot-connecting, as Marc Thiessen points out at The Corner:

In other words, by Blair’s own admission, the United States at this moment does not have a high-value terrorist interrogation capability — at a time when our country has once again come under terrorist attack.  Of course, the administration did not think they needed such a capability — because they have stopped trying to capture high-value terrorists alive and bring them in for questioning.  So when one landed in their lap unexpectedly, they had no idea what to do with him.

As I explain in Courting Disaster, the HIG is a joke — because the administration has limited the techniques at its disposal to those in the Army Field Manual.  Police detectives and district attorneys across the country use more aggressive techniques than the Army Field Manual every day.  The irony is, Obama has so denuded our terrorist interrogation capability that the Detroit police department has more tools at its disposal to interrogate a terrorist than the still non-operational HIG.

That is pathetic — and dangerous for our country.

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying.

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myopic, irresponsible and potentially dangerous

Well, this is going to make Barry really angry; He’s going to have to use the word, “fight” at least 50 times in his SOTU address. I hope WaPo is happy.

anniekc on January 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Calm down everyone. When you remember that the guy is just a college professor who’s never had a real job you realize that he might be about as in touch with reality as he can ever be. Sure, he doesn’t have a clue how to prioritize. Yeah, there’s no proof that he’s ever even engaged in a conversation with a normal person. But Katie, George and Brian love him. And Harry Smith and Whoopi can’t say enough good about him. And Andy and Markos are still on board.

The sad fact is that there will be more dead Americans before anything changes. There were hundreds of thousands of anti-abortion marchers in Washington the other day which you wouldn’t know if you stuck with the MSM. Things are truly wacky and will not come on line easily.

snaggletoothie on January 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Well, this is going to make Barry really angry; He’s going to have to use the word, “fight” “I” at least 50 times in his SOTU address. I hope WaPo is happy.

anniekc on January 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

fify

Enkidu on January 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

And then you have the Little Rock terrorist who is being prosecuted by some county prosecutor because the Obama Administration had to cover up its involvement in busting the terrorist out of a Yemeni prison and placing him back on American streets. It’s quite possible that no federal official has even talked to the terrorist after the attack.

Buddahpundit on January 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Calling all Terrorist
Please cease and desist until Team Obama is ready for you

J_Crater on January 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

In the WAPO Executive Suite someone asks the obvious question:
“Why is it we are losing readers, as we try to be purveyors of truth and protectors of the people’s right to know?”

Down in the bowels of the mail room, a pimply-faced kid with a high-school education says:
“Holy cow, they are just now admitting that Obama is an empty suit? I sure hope those idiots upstairs remember to apologize to all the millions of tea-partiers they insulted over the last year for saying the same damn thing! I need this job!”

drunyan8315 on January 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Calling all Terrorist
Please cease and desist until Team Obama is ready for you

J_Crater on January 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Funny….but maybe not…..

anniekc on January 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Obama is well on his way to destroying our very way of life. We have now moved well beyond Obama just being an inexperienced joke.

I believe it is about time to start thinking seriously about impeachment.

Before its too late.

Dave R. on January 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Gibbs announces a hard double pivot in priorities,..from health care to jobs to the war on man caused disasters. Subject to change in the next 24 hours.

a capella on January 23, 2010 at 1:52 PM

A head fake to freeze the linebackers; next is the double pump to make the safetys commit on the short pass. The play ends up with Reid going deep on healthcare and Cap-n-crunchtrade.

BobMbx on January 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

WaPo keeps this up, they won’t be invited to anymore mid-week parties at Barry’s crib. They might even be declared ‘a non-news organization’ by Baghdad Bobby Gibbs.

GarandFan on January 23, 2010 at 2:50 PM

These losers (WaPo, Obama, NYT, etc.) owe Dick Cheney a HUGE apology.

LASue on January 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Dear Ed,

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying.

Corrected:

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying [YET].

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on January 23, 2010 at 2:58 PM

If the terrorists succeed then what a great crisis there would be. What will this administration do with that crisis?

jukin on January 23, 2010 at 1:37 PM

+1,000. Where is Rahm Emanuel slithering around these days? Seems like he has been awfully quiet. Hmmmmm.

redwhiteblue on January 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying.

YET.

Prediction: whether the next terror attack is a day, a month, or 4 months from now, the Big O’s HIG still won’t be ready.

rockbend on January 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying.

But will they actually fix it? Thus far I’ve only seen doubling or tripling down on stupid by this administration.

chemman on January 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Terror threats being raised overseas, this guy on the plane a few weeks ago, word about women activated to be on suicide missions…

I have this sinking feeling that something is going to happen in the very near future.

tatersalad on January 23, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Dave R. on January 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

It’s going to take a bit more before the dems in the house and senate see this as a viable option to save their own skins.

chemman on January 23, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Aside from the obvious and danger and likelihood of the deaths of more Americans due to terrorism, politically this is good news. This is the kind of thing that can and will be used against Obama by most voters in November. Blatant disregard for the security of Americans is a non-negotiable death knell for any President. Bye, bye Barry.

JeffB. on January 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Hey, we just aren’t pushing the empty-headed leftard mantra “C*oExIsT” hard enough.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Yeah, when I see that bumper sticker, which is usually next to an Obama one and a “no blood for oil” one, I tend to change lanes, because you know a colossal idiot is driving.

wildcat84 on January 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I tend to get the urge to get up under them and put them in the wall

Trafalgar on January 23, 2010 at 3:16 PM

But will they actually fix it? Thus far I’ve only seen doubling or tripling down on stupid by this administration.
chemman on January 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM

+1.
Obama and Gibbs have shown they can deal with only one thing at a time (health care OR jobs; Afghanistan OR the Olympics). Adding a third issue could make Obama’s head explode.

LASue on January 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying [YET].

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on January 23, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Do not forget about Little Rock and the Obama connection. (One dead and one wounded.)

Johan Klaus on January 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM

How long before some nervous Democrats actually start holding some serous hearing on this stuf? Like with subpoenas for Eric Holder? Does Holder have naked pictures of the entire Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, or is he still simply untouchable because he is black?

rockmom on January 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Members of our military are subject to the UCMJ, and not the civilian legal system. Why should terrorists get rights our own soldiers don’t have?

Dhuka on January 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I remember, Holder is the one who said we were a nation of cowards. Which one needs to go first??

mobydutch on January 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM

When we get hit again, it will be Obama’s fault. Hopefully, a GOP administration will investigate the manner in which the Obama administration has blinded us during a time of war.

pearson on January 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM

“We assume…”

Not a good thing for a supposedly investigative newspaper to admit.

PattyJ on January 23, 2010 at 3:39 PM

originally supported it and now they don’t? WHY, well I can tell you why ’cause that is the #1 reason BROWN got Teddy’s seat. Hypocrites, talk about knee jerk reaction.

moyeti on January 23, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Like with subpoenas for Eric Holder…
rockmom on January 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Nobody in Obama’s inner circle will get any scrutiny until there is a successful foreign-originated terrorist attack, where it can be proven that the US had actionable domestic intelligence upon which it deliberately did not act.

Until that time, unicorns will continue to poop Skittles.

eeyore on January 23, 2010 at 3:47 PM

I am going to scream if people don’t stop telling me how smart this administration is.

Cindy Munford on January 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM

This administration, from Obama down is about as “smart” as a sack of wet retarded mice.

wildcat84 on January 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Its important to remember these acts of sedition are not solely inspired by barry. His whole administration is laden with like-minded lefties. Don’t forget, for when they throw barry under the bus these same underlings will be recycled so long as Dems stay in power. Word of warning about a potential Hillary run.

From now on all arguments should bare the stamp Obama and his Clintonista adminstration

Geochelone on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

The whole deal with the fundy islam movement is that it doesn’t need centrality of command and control to succeed. They teach these people that everyone of them can make a difference individually. The religion of murder wants random acts of violence against non-believers. To call these individuals warriors ties them to a larger cause and it’s not helpful since they are fragmented and alone in their efforts. Why help coalesce the fragments into something more powerful?

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I hope you are just young and naive.

redwhiteblue on January 23, 2010 at 3:55 PM

nope. old and wizen. put yourself in the criminal muslim’s shoes. It doesn’t please you that you aren’t being given credit for your great and glorious act. You are not sure if god actually took note of your display of love for him. Study up on the religion son and you’ll see we play into their hands when we legitimize their justification for the act. A day doesn’t go by that Richard Reid isn’t sitting their thinking himself a living shaheed a miracle man who has the power to force millions to take off their shoes as an act of forced respect for his god. You do not understand devious until you understand these people and how they think.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM

The underwear bomber wasn’t supposed to succeed (although he himself did not know it) except to the extent his act was designed to force non-believers to have the privates of their women poked before boarding a plane. They are playing a fun little game with us.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Their goal is not to be arrested at all. Whether in the custody of the military, or otherwise. Their goal is to kill, and destroy, and they are the weapon. They die with those they seek to kill. With that objective….putting them in civilian custody, where they get lawyers, and a soap box to stand on, only emboldens them in my opinion.

This isn’t about playing head games. These are people who seek to destroy our way of life, and everything we believe in, and stand for. And I’m not referring to Obama in this case, but it does apply to him as well.

capejasmine on January 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

As usual…great post Captain.

We are in the best of hands if having people that are absolutely scary stupid in charge is your idea of “leadership”

Everyday it becomes more and more obvious that Obama has “political” partisans running the show instead of “policy” experts.

……more “smart power” please.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Who cares how they feel about the legitimacy of their cause? Just kill them.

Sharke on January 23, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Can’t see why this news is worth turning into a “blog”. WaPo reached this conclusion (Bad to read rights to EunuchBomber) thirty days after the event WTF??? Are we now supposed to congratulate that rag-sheet for being so insightful?

alwyr on January 23, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Unqualified.

AubieJon on January 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM

capejasmine on January 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Amen to that. What’s more, the way Obama/Holder are dealing with the handling of these vermin is not some negligent failure or mistake. It is intentional or, at best, wreckless disregard for our security.

And, the blood is on their hands.

TXUS on January 23, 2010 at 4:16 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I am going to go out on a limb here,but I can promise you that people who want nothing more than to kill the “infidel”,and will put their own lives on the line to do it,
could care less about how they are “classified” are what labels are attached to them.

I suggest you review the absolute failure of the Clinton administrations efforts against stopping terrorism by making it “law enforcement” policy.

Might help to reference:

The first trade center bombing

The bombing of our Embassies

The bombing of the USS Cole

The training and planning of 9/11 that went on for a year right under the “law enforcements” noses.

Having more than 8 chances to kill Osama(including having him handed over to us on a silver platter by the Sudan)but not doing it worrying about the “rule of law” and angering the “international community”.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Once he hit the tarmac, this unit-less fool should have been marched over to an awaiting military medical transport and flown straightway to Cuba. THEN we’ll talk. The next American to die of Muslim terrorism will be in no small way due to Obambi and his fecklessness.

Mojave Mark on January 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I hope you’re kidding.

neurosculptor on January 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

The underwear bomber wasn’t supposed to succeed (although he himself did not know it) except to the extent his act was designed to force non-believers to have the privates of their women poked before boarding a plane. They are playing a fun little game with us.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Do you have any facts to back up your opinion that someone who was trained by al-qaeda to carry out this type of attack really did not want to succeed in blowing up a plane with hundreds of Americans on it.

…God knows the last thing al-qaeda wants to do is kill Americans…..

………yea right.

If the idea was for him to fail…al-qaeda would not have spent the time and resources training him on how to “succeed” with his mission,the could have sent any flunkie on a plane to fail.

……would like to see you back up this “meant to fail” theory with some facts or links…..you know…for credibility reasons.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I never said killing them wasn’t the best antidote. I’m only suggesting the manner in which they are incarcerated and traverse the justice system may be better as a common criminal than a enemy warrior (for some amorphous army of soul commandos). Kill the cause when you deemphasis the title given the criminal. But yeah sure, the ideal way to deal with these guys who get caught is like they do in the film 300.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Kill the cause when you deemphasis the title given the criminal.
pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Changing some arbitrary title is not going to mean anything to a suicide bomber or to the other jihadist he!! bent on our destruction.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Baxter,
All my own theories. I believe first and foremost 9-11 was designed to distract and ultimately destroy the bush presidency by throwing a huge Xfactor into his already decided upon legacy for his presidency. It’s my opinion we were planning to manage transition in Iraq since we set them up under Carter or whenever. Every President has been doing his part to keep the Iraqis weak and ready for eventual takedown. Our enemies saw this. They saw the Cheney energy meetings and what was decided. They acted pre-emptively and put up a bogey man in Afghanistan we were forced to chase. Afghanistan wasn’t our war. It was thrust upon us. Bush, to his huge credit, ignored the attempt to derail his plans and fought two wars to the surprise of our enemies no doubt.

Terrorism and misdirect: It’s how the other side fights. We get serious in our way with a rogue nation like Iran and they roll out a few acts of threatening craziness and we get second thoughts. Our government fears the economic disaster they can inflict. BTW, the government picked up a second guy on the undie bomber flight, a guy who wanted to be picked up. An “emissary”, not unlike an emissary coming forth in the movie 300. A truck van gets left in Times Square. False alarm, but look how simple will be, they are telling us. When it comes to the government and military they show the serious of intent by actually killing our guys (because we have to accept that on a certain level, unlike civilian attacks). See Hasan and the CIA debacle in Afghanistan for examples. Our enemy competes against us using cunning and chess-like long range strategy.

The outcome of their recent show of force? Why, let them continue to be naughty and make their nukey weapons of course! Terrorism most definitely works.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Exposed!? Ask 10, 100, or a thousand people on the street and see what they can tell you about this. I doubt more than 10% can state that we did not interrogate him, are giving him the same rights as a citizen, have no interrogation team ready to go, etc. Add on top of that ignorance that might cast a negative light on Obama and Holder if it were known, that a still sizeable portion of the populace believes everything negative ever uttered about our information gathering techniques and also believes in the terrorist rights model. And you think this has been exposed. Ha. *goes off weeping*

AnotherOpinion on January 23, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Roen v. Wade ruling = settled law because SCOTUS has spoken

McCain-Feingold ruling = SCOTUS has no clue what it is doing and we must do whatever we can to skirt the ruling

angryed on January 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Roe that is

angryed on January 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

This has been the best week! Popcorn, anyone?

Annietxgrl on January 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Pudding.

neurosculptor on January 23, 2010 at 12:55 PM

What are the girls supposed to dip?

AZCoyote on January 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM

THAT was funny!

lovingmyUSA on January 23, 2010 at 4:50 PM

What are the girls supposed to dip?

AZCoyote on January 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM

According to Chris Muir, these. Ahem.

Scott P on January 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM

*Looking for rag to clean off monitor!*

lovingmyUSA on January 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM

It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

HaHa as if it matters to them . You do not get their mindset.

CWforFreedom on January 23, 2010 at 5:01 PM

I will try this one again. Someone tell me an accomplishment of Obama’s prior to being elected? All he had was titles.

CWforFreedom on January 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM

By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

They are criminals, war criminals, UNLAWFUL combatants. Wringing them out for intel, then executing them as international law permits if not directs, is the best way to take the wind out of their sails.

Jihad doesn’t much recognize nuance.

Maquis on January 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM

I will try this one again. Someone tell me an accomplishment of Obama’s prior to being elected? All he had was titles.

CWforFreedom on January 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM

He perfected his powers of deception.

Damn shame that includes self-deception.

Maquis on January 23, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Is the WaPo turning on Bee Ho? And if so, why? Because he’s not far left enough?

RWLA on January 23, 2010 at 5:06 PM

To be fair, we can get our terrorism freak on pretty good ourselves. The drone warfare being waged against suspected enemy terrorists is some of the most brutally effective terrorist tactics waged in the history of conflict. Imagine the fear of not knowing why your neighbors house was instantly flattened to the earth. If you don’t hear it or see it, how do you know what really happened. Good stuff. I imagine Iran would not enjoy what is taking place in the NW territories.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 5:06 PM

What’s the Washington Post complaining about, this is their community organizer with 146 days experience in the Senate?
You can’t expect too much from the man who appoints Napolitano, with no experience, to be our Homeland Security Secretary, Leon Panetta, with no experience, as director of the CIA, and a liberal zealot, who worked for the lawfirm that represented many of the detainees in Guantanamo, Eric Holder, as the Attorney General. It seems like a recipe for disaster right there.

For those of you that have heard the saying, “I’d rather be good than lucky.” had better start thinking a little differently, for the next 3 years. This group has already proven they’re not good, so you’d better hope they’re lucky.

bflat879 on January 23, 2010 at 5:20 PM

I believe first and foremost 9-11 was designed to distract

put up a bogey man in Afghanistan we were forced to chase.

Terrorism and misdirect

, a guy who wanted to be picked up
pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Look, it is obvious that you have thought a lot about this but I have to say that when I see opinions littered with assumptions of “misdirection” and “distraction” to keep us from seeing and acting on the “real” what?????….

……it wreaks of conspiracy theories.

Your use of the Cheney meetings ( a favorite of the liberal community that is supposed to show how we are being sold out for oil….but seems to omit all the other meetings and money being made by democrats and their deal making) as some catalyst does not hold water.
Businessmen,politicians,and world leaders have been “meeting” on energy needs and how to secure them for decades.
What’s especially ironic is that the UN and many world leaders and activists have been pushing their own “green energy” needs that stand to control hundreds of millions of lives and rake in trillions of dollars from the masses omitting anything Cheney was endorsing.

I believe first and foremost 9-11 was designed to distract and ultimately destroy the bush presidency by throwing a huge Xfactor into his already decided upon legacy for his presidency.

9/11 was planned and meant to be carried out before Bush was even elected President(Atta was not ready when Osama wanted to pull the trigger).This information was derived from the plotters of 9/11 themselves.

Every President has been doing his part to keep the Iraqis weak and ready for eventual takedown.

I am not sure where this comes from….
….we actually backed Saddam to a point when he was at war with Iran…..
………Then we eventually went to war to take out Saddam in the first Gulf War but Bush 1 went with the UN and other
nations in making the huge mistake of allowing Saddam to remain in power…

…….We eventually took Saddam out in Operation Iraqi Freedom that was undertaken due to a major shift in how to deal with terrorism after 9/11,braking the UN resolutions,and the fact that Saddam did not uphold his surrender agreement from the first Gulf War.

The abstractness in dealing with Saddam had more to do with no leadership not wanting to get to deeply involved in the crazy mess that makes up the middle east than as some type long,well thought out grand scheme.

They acted pre-emptively and put up a bogey man in Afghanistan we were forced to chase.

9/11 was no “distraction” and Osama was no “bogey man”.

Please read up in the history and evolution of Osama and how he ended up in Afghanistan.
His adherence to strict militant muslim fundamentalism lead him to many countries to where he eventually ended up in Afghanistan.
This was one of the few countries that would take him and which also adhered to his religious beliefs.

The attacks of 9/11 were a escalation of attacks that Osama had carried out during the Clinton administration.

Osama met little to no resistance from the international community so he continued to plan bigger and deadlier attacks to gain power for al-qaeda and show that they could defeat the “Great Satan”.

This was no “distraction”, this was an act of war that Osama had declared on us with his fatwa in the 90′s.

The symbolism of hitting our financial center (Twin Towers),our defense center(Pentagon),and our political center(White House…plane ended up in Shanksville) was purposely done to send a message to Islamist around the world that they could hit and defeat the greatest power of the western civilization.

Our government fears the economic disaster they can inflict.

I agree with this. I think every country has to evaluate the risk/reward ratio when it comes to foreign policy.

This is one of the reasons we will fight in the middle east but don’t send any troops to Rwanda or Darfur.

Waging war is about defending the rights of people and the interests of their country.

If the radical Islamist take over the Middle East and the oil, they control a huge amount of the energy resources that power the western world (which is why Osama’s first main goal was to take over in Saudi Arabi then from there to crush the west financially by breaking them through energy).

Remember…a lot of the same people that went around whining about “no blood for oil” are the same people crying about unemployment,high prices,and no jobs.

Think what state the economy would be in if Osama controlled the oil fields with oil going for over $300.00 a barrel.

The Western world would have been gutted.

Windmills or keeping cows from farting would not have helped us a bit.

Look,,,there are many sub-plots or other specific causes that the jihadist use as reasoning for their acts of terrorism, but the bottom line is that their quest for the New Caliphate is predicated on the destruction of Western Civilization….period.

When can either capitulate….go around waving the peace sign and making witty bumper stickers or we can do what is necessary to destroy them before they destroy us.

I chose the latter.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 5:32 PM

9/11 was planned and meant to be carried out before Bush was even elected President…
Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Exactly. Cheney was meeting with oil exec’s in Feb-April 2001. I don’t think pc’s vast muslim conspiracy could have reacted that fast!
They hate all of us, they don’t care who is President. The Won (the Lost) is obviously not immune, I believe he already has more attacks than the Bush administration after 9/11.

2ipa on January 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM

. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I’d agree with you…IF it weren’t for the fact that treating them like common crooks involved a whole different set of rules for the good guys to follow. A set that makes if incredibly hard if not impossible to do their job effectivly.

Dark-Star on January 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM

All my own theories. I believe first and foremost 9-11 was designed to distract and ultimately destroy the bush presidency by throwing a huge Xfactor into his already decided upon legacy for his presidency.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM

The 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen on Clinton’s watch. bin Laden himself said so. So much for this theory of yours. The attack planning began years before Bush stole the election in 2000.

Just curious, who “decided” upon Bush’s legacy before the attacks happened?

Del Dolemonte on January 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM

They hate all of us, they don’t care who is President. The Won (the Lost) is obviously not immune, I believe he already has more attacks than the Bush administration after 9/11.

2ipa on January 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Not quite but if Obama keeps on this path of putting politics before country then we will see the successful policies instituted by Bush torn asunder,making us sitting ducks for the jihadist.


B.C. researchers find decline in global terrorism, question previous data

1 day ago

VANCOUVER — A group of researchers from Simon Fraser University says global terrorism is on the decline, despite previous data and public perceptions that suggest otherwise.
The university’s Human Security Report Project says fatalities from terrorist attacks around the world have, in fact, decreased by 40 per cent since 2001.

Are We Safer?

On the stump, Barack Obama usually concludes his comments on Iraq by saying, “and it hasn’t made us safer.” It is an article of faith on the left that nothing the Bush administration has done has enhanced our security, and, on the contrary, its various alleged blunders have only contributed to the number of jihadists who want to attack us.


Empirically, however, it seems beyond dispute that something has made us safer since 2001. Over the course of the Bush administration, successful attacks on the United States and its interests overseas have dwindled to virtually nothing.

Some perspective here is required. While most Americans may not have been paying attention, a considerable number of terrorist attacks on America and American interests abroad were launched from the 1980s forward, too many of which were successful. What follows is a partial history:

1988
February:

Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Higgens, Chief of the U.N. Truce Force, was kidnapped and murdered by Hezbollah.

December:

Pan Am flight 103 from London to New York was blown up over Scotland, killing 270 people, including 35 from Syracuse University and a number of American military personnel.

1991

November: American University in Beirut bombed.

1993

January: A Pakistani terrorist opened fire outside CIA headquarters, killing two agents and wounding three.
February: World Trade Center bombed, killing six and injuring more than 1,000.

1995
January:

Operation Bojinka, Osama bin Laden’s plan to blow up 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, discovered.

November:

Five Americans killed in attack on a U.S. Army office in Saudi Arabia.

1996
June:

Truck bomb at Khobar Towers kills 19 American servicemen and injures 240.

June:

Terrorist opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one.

1997
February:

Palestinian opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one and wounding more than a dozen.

November:

Terrorists murder four American oil company employees in Pakistan.

1998
January:

U.S. Embassy in Peru bombed.

August:

Simultaneous bomb attacks on U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed more than 300 people and injured over 5,000.

1999
October:

Egypt Air flight 990 crashed off the coast of Massachusetts, killing 100 Americans among the more than 200 on board; the pilot yelled “Allahu Akbar!” as he steered the airplane into the ocean.

2000
October:

A suicide boat exploded next to the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.

2001
September:

Terrorists with four hijacked airplanes kill around 3,000 Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

December:

Richard Reid, the “shoe bomber,” tries to blow up a transatlantic flight, but is stopped by passengers.

The September 11 attack was a propaganda triumph for al Qaeda, celebrated by a dismaying number of Muslims around the world. Everyone expected that it would draw more Muslims to bin Laden’s cause and that more such attacks would follow. In fact, though, what happened was quite different: the pace of successful jihadist attacks against the United States slowed, decelerated further after the onset of the Iraq war, and has now dwindled to essentially zero. Here is the record:

2002
October:

Diplomat Laurence Foley murdered in Jordan, in an operation planned, directed and financed by Zarqawi in Iraq, perhaps with the complicity of Saddam’s government.

2003
May:

Suicide bombers killed 10 Americans, and killed and wounded many others, at housing compounds for westerners in Saudi Arabia.

October:

More bombings of United States housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killed 26 and injured 160.

2004

There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.

2005

There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.

2006

There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.

2007

There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.

2008

So far, there have been no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.


Foiled Terror Plots Against America Since 9/11

Thursday , September 11, 2008

By Joseph Abrams and Jonathan Passantino

The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.

December 2001,

Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.

May 2002, Jose Padilla:

American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced “dirty bomb” to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.

• September 2002, Lackawanna Six:

American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

• May 2003, Iyman Faris:

American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.


• June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network:

Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.


• August 2004, Dhiren Barot:

Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).


• August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj:

Sought to plant bomb at New York’s Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

• August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain:

Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.

• June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat:

Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.


• August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana:

Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.


• December 2005, Michael Reynolds:

Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

• February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum:

Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.

• April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee:

Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.

• June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine:

Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.

• July 2006, Assem Hammoud:

Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.

• August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot:

Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.

• March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:

Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to a$$a$$inate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.

• May 2007, Fort Dix Plot:

Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and ki!!ing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.

• June 2007, JFK Plot:

Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.

• September 2007,

German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda’s global jihadist agenda.


And of course the death of the most lethal al-qaeda terrorist,responsible for tens of thousands of deaths:
MUSAB AL-ZARQAWI.


The idea that the Obama administration wants to weaken or dismantle the policies that produced this type of success in keeping Americans safe is just insane.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 7:10 PM

By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Forget all the PC, pc.

AnotherEd on January 23, 2010 at 7:16 PM

And if we actually sent them to Detroit for interrogation and they got a good look at the place, that would only encourage them to think we’re on the brink of collapse. So that’s out.

Hucklebuck on January 23, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Why did we dismantle the previous interrogation teams without having their replacements ready? We are, after all, at war

Silly Ed, there’s only one war Obama thinks is worth fighting.

BDU-33 on January 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM

The WaPo has no room to be on its high judgmental horse since they grabbed the ankles for this feckless, incompetent community organizer, giving him pass after pass. If there will be blood on anyone’s hands, and it will be, the Post has to share the hell to pay along with all the other MSM. Rahm and Axelram should be hung for treason.

wepeople on January 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Criticism isn’t racist anymore? Wu-oh.

Barnestormer on January 23, 2010 at 8:18 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

If this cockamamie BS were true, I’d rather have them being water-boarded with healthy egos, than dispirited losers with taxpayer-funded lawyers with Miranda rights.

PatMac on January 23, 2010 at 8:27 PM

I’m sure that al Qaeda is loving this.

disa on January 23, 2010 at 8:58 PM

I actually agree with liberals on this issue. Classifying them as enemy combatants just feeds into their egos as warriors for god blah blah. By treating them as common criminals it takes some of the air out of their act. It just one mans opinion but this seems like the correct path if you want to de-legitimize their cause.

pc on January 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

You’re a fool.

disa on January 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM

It is inarguably incompetence in national security, one that thankfully got exposed without anyone dying.
-Ed Morrissey

Our liberals are going to get a lot of Americans killed eventually with their policies, and I think most of us here can sense that.

scotash on January 23, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Obama- working against America daily.

When he’s working at all.

profitsbeard on January 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM

So what’s Barry going to do when a September 11th magnitude strike hits? What’s he going to do when thousands-upon-thousands are dead and thousands-upon-thousands maimed? What’s he going to do when he finds out that one, or more, of the terrorists he played patty-cake and footsie with knew all along this was coming, but didn’t tell, because he was laughing too hard at the interrogators?

Just think: unless we impeach him, we’ve got THREE MORE YEARS of this to endure.

Virus-X on January 23, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Gibbs announces a hard double pivot in priorities,..from health care to jobs to the war on man caused disasters. Subject to change in the next 24 hours.
a capella on January 23, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Perhaps you should change your name to Nostradamus

Obama Moves to Centralize Control Over Party Strategy

The president ordered a review of the Democratic political operation — from the White House to party committees — after last week’s Republican victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, aides said.

Lets see, humm?
What ta do, what ta do?

Fight Terrorist? Naw

Fix the Economy? Naw

Health care? Oh please

Hey I know! lets start campaigning again!

DSchoen on January 24, 2010 at 1:23 AM

Criminal negligence, and an appauling lack of vision as to what the American people think.

He can re-tool all he wants, but he is now the Ford Edsel of American politics.

There is ZERO percent chance of re-election in 2012.

Cleveland Steamer on January 24, 2010 at 7:19 AM

Now we have Bin Laden crawling out from under his rock. I wonder what took him so long.

becki51758 on January 24, 2010 at 8:12 AM

The idea that the Obama administration wants to weaken or dismantle the policies that produced this type of success in keeping Americans safe is just insane.

Baxter Greene on January 23, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Excellent post Mr. Greene. Thanks for spending the considerable time it must have taken to research and present the historical facts in such a clear manner.

I just wish we had an administration staffed entirely with concerned – and patriotic – citizens with dot-connecting skills such as yourself. Obama and his ilk are supposedly very intelligent people but, by gawd, they are completely devoid of one of the most essential attributes: Wisdom.

ReagansRight on January 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM

One truly sad addition to this is while they have dithered in getting prepared for dealing with actual terrorists Joe Biden is in Iraq telling the world that the administration is going to appeal the ruling dropping the charges of the Blackwater contractors accused of killing civilians. Obama and his administration continue to see America and Americans as the true bad guys. It is just disgusting.

mrveritas on January 24, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Gibbs on Fox News said the FBI interrogated Panty Bomber for fifty minutes and got a lot of valuable info thereby inferring they got all they could. Man, those FBI guys are better than the CIA so what do we need the CIA for and while we are at it who are they going to indict next because he obviously had help. Will they read Osama Bin Laden his Miranda Rights ?

Herb on January 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM

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