Hayworth announces primary challenge to McCain
posted at 11:56 am on January 23, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Allahpundit noted the likelihood of J.D. Hayworth’s primary challenge to John McCain last night, and today the AP makes it official … or officially non-official. While emphasizing that he didn’t want to officially declare his candidacy — which would create a set of legal obligations that he’s not quite ready to assume — Hayworth quit his radio show on air and later stated his intention to challenge McCain:
Former Arizona Congressman J.D. Hayworth says he is planning to run against John McCain for his U.S. Senate seat.
Hayworth, a Republican, told The Associated Press late Friday he stepped down as host of his radio program on KFYI-AM, a conservative radio talk show in Phoenix. Legally, he would not have been able to remain host of the program and be an active candidate. …
“We will formally announce at a later time, but we’re moving forward to challenge John McCain,” he said. “I think we all respect John. I think his place in history is secure. But after close to a quarter-century in Washington, it’s time for him to come home.”
It’s not the first time that a former member of a major-party presidential ticket found himself challenged within his party for his existing Senate seat the next cycle. The same thing happened, ironically, to one of McCain’s closest friends in the upper chamber, Joe Lieberman. Lieberman lost his primary to Ned Lamont, who mostly self-financed from his personal fortune. Lieberman won the seat in the general election by running as an independent, but still caucuses with Democrats, even though Lieberman campaigned for McCain in 2008.
Hayworth doesn’t have a personal fortune like Lamont on which to run, but he’ll need the money. According to the AP, McCain already has $5 million in the bank, and he’s already spending it against Hayworth on radio ads. If Hayworth can tap into grassroots disaffection in Arizona as Scott Brown did in Massachusetts, the money gap may not be as significant as it normally would, but he’ll still need to raise money for organization and GOTV efforts. His contribution levels will tell a story about his chances against McCain’s entrenched power in the state.
The biggest loser from this may well be Sarah Palin. Under normal circumstances, grassroots activists would expect Palin to either stay out of the race or support the more conservative, grass-roots candidate against the entrenched Republican establishment. Michelle has written an excellent column detailing the pitfalls of intervening in a primary fight for Palin, and one has to wonder why she felt the need to do so, and why McCain asked for her help. Her cachet comes entirely from positioning herself as an outsider, and now she’s rallying to the defense of one of Washington’s insiders. If that was in the general election, everyone would hail that as an example of realpolitik, but in a primary, she’s going to get some valid criticism for this choice.
Hayworth will still be a long shot, but primaries are a hygienic device that keeps incumbents accountable for their performance. In this case, the campaign promises to be a long one; the primary election will be held on August 24th. That gives almost exactly seven months for Hayworth and McCain to make their cases to the voters of Arizona, and they will be the biggest beneficiaries of the process.
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Is the Republic worth starting the Civil War between the Teas and Cons against the mods/establishment? Yes, but not over Hayworth.
Sapwolf on January 23, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Right. No way Ed’s guy T-Paw would ever endorse McCain. what? oh, nevermind.
james23 on January 23, 2010 at 10:52 PM
I liked Hayworth when I lived in NY and used to see him on Hannity or other programs. When I moved out to AZ, I began to see very quickly that he was an angry bully. How does a multi-term republican in fairly conservative AZ lose re-election? How difficult is it to unseat a vet of congress, well that say alot about JD. On his radio show out here, he talks to the listeners as if we are in 5th grade. He also comes across immature and as a bully as he makes names up for other politicians like “film strip phil.” He comes across on his show very angry and talks down to people. McCain is McCain and though can be all over the place at times he is real and respects people.
arizonateacher on January 23, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Are you freaking kidding??
Simcox quoted in Mar 2003 saying
Or this gem about him
Bradky on January 23, 2010 at 10:58 PM
I question the timing. Is Hayworth’s wife running low on walking-around money or something?
RightOFLeft on January 23, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Once Palin said “yes” to the VP offer in Aug, 2008, she was on the hook to campaign for Mac in 08 and in 12, had they been able to win in 08. No one campaigned for Mac harder than Sarah did in 08. To think that she would nevertheless decline to campaign for him in ’10 is just ridiculous.
But even if she did not “owe” Mac, what makes people think she’d have been in JD’s corner? He has some issues, does he not?
james23 on January 23, 2010 at 11:04 PM
It sounds good, but that’s just not the way it is.
I have much experience with many Mexicans that are in this country. I have many acquaintances, and a few dear friends, that are illegal aliens. I know them as individuals, and not as some romantic notion.
My experience with them, is that they are NOT interested in immigrating and living their lives as Americans. Most of them want NOTHING to do with “leaving” Mexico, or becoming an American. They could care less.
Amnesty, to them, means an easier back and forth between their home, Mexico, and their place of work, America. Amnesty, to them, means two passports.
Spare me the American dream of our grandfathers. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Saltysam on January 23, 2010 at 11:08 PM
Aren’t you aiding and abetting lawbreakers? Why haven’t you turned them in?
Bradky on January 23, 2010 at 11:15 PM
I value my life.
Saltysam on January 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM
At least you are honest
Bradky on January 23, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Actually, this is a conversation I’d love to have, but my wife is hollering at me to get some things done around here.
Take me up on it another time.
Saltysam on January 23, 2010 at 11:23 PM
During the past six months, McCain has become Mr. Conservative. It is such a shame to know that this new McCain is not for real. His motive is to get re-elected, and then, we will see the truth again.
mobydutch on January 23, 2010 at 11:32 PM
I want to see Michelle endorse Hayworth…. I dare her!!!!
conservador on January 23, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Bingo! Glad I’m not the only one who sees this.
Equality 7-2521 on January 23, 2010 at 11:40 PM
As I’ve posted on other HA threads, I live in AZ and I am tired of McCain. From his gang of 14, voting against Bush tax cuts, amnesty, cap ‘n trade, and McCain-Feingold, I’m tired of McCain claiming he represents the conservative message while not acting in conservative’s best interest.
Which one, of the two, is the more conservative? Here are the 2006 (last year J.D. was in the House) vote rankings for J.D. vs. McCain.
J.D. scored 85% more conservative than his House colleagues according to the National Journal.
While in comparison, John McCain scored only 56.7% more conservative than his Senate colleagues.
45 Senators scored more conservative than McCain , while only 8 scored less conservative.
There also seems to be a history of “bad blood” between J.D. and John. A blog post on Red State in Oct 2009 posed the question of whether the McCain camp had a role to play in J.D.’s 2006 loss, and which may be fueling some of the early attacks on J.D. before he has even officially announced.
It should be noted that J.D. was CLEARED by the Department of Justice in 2007, after he lost to Harry Mitchell. But, only after Harry Mitchell used the Abramoff “link” to smear J.D. and claim victory in AZ-5.
Desert Gardens on January 23, 2010 at 11:46 PM
THANK YOU Desert Gardens for this link…I’ve been looking for it…(clearing JD)
And I agree with everything you posted above…I’m also in AZ and I can’t tell you how much I want McCain out of this state. People seem to have forgotten about all of his actions over a year ago…
Equality 7-2521 on January 23, 2010 at 11:53 PM
I disagree — it’s exactly the way it is. Funny, the LA Times’ tearjerker stories about illegals always involves a young Hispanic female wanting to go to college, and whose knowledge of Spanish is at a third grade level, but she can’t get scholarships because she’s an illegal… These kids are here to stay. We read about them all the time, because the LA Times always publishes the bios on the guys who die in Afghanistan or Iraq.
If we are involved in proofs by example, I can trump every one of yours.
I know my wife’s paternal grandfather never expected to stay in the United States — he expected to mine the Gold Mountain and then to return to China. It didn’t matter that the United States refused to let his wife in, because he wasn’t going to stay…
But he did.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you know one or more illegal aliens, or children of illegal aliens, and the aliens are not Mexicans. I’m met a few, myself. I’m sure all your interesting words don’t involve them — just the Mexicans you’ve met.
Cool.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Okay, I’m back. Do you really want to have this conversation? Is this a serious question borne of genuine ignorance, or are you being a smart ass?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Sadly, I’ve seen many cases where you were right… but not just with Mexicans.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Yet many of the McCain/Palin fans here are still slandering him with false charges.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Absolutely. And it galls me that these people have the temerity to claim to be the real Republicans, and that those of us who disagree on immigration policy are somehow sham Republicans. Well, that makes Honest Abe a sham Republican, and I’m certainly happy to stand in his shadow, as are you, it sounds like.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM
funny an article in the Dallas News today said it was John Cornyn. And Pete Sessions took some credit too last week.
Annietxgrl on January 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Clinton was never charged by the Justice Department, so that makes any commentary on the Clenis slander too, then.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 12:12 AM
America’s short term political memory is why Washington is chock full of scumbags.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM
You’re welcome! Glad I could help.
From all the posts, it seems we will be in for a heated primary here!
Desert Gardens on January 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM
You think “dear friends” would harm you?
Your story stinks.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 12:14 AM
You’re pathetic! You obviously don’t know dick about the facts pertaining to the case yet you continue to slander Hayworth with false charges because it suits your smarmy political agenda.
Despicable behavior, Unclesmrgol.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Just listen to his radio show and listen to his tone, it goes back and forth between anger and resentment and talking down to the listeners. I love when he blames Arizona teachers unions for the problems in education out here, when AZ is a right to work state and we have no unions. He loves to say how no one reads the AZ Republic newspaper and yet at the same time blames the AZ republic for costing him relection. Again, JD was a guy I liked alot from afar, but once I got our here the story changed.
arizonateacher on January 24, 2010 at 12:24 AM
Thanks Desert Gardens and Equality for an inside AZ view.
As an about to become ex-CA, states East and anywhere but CA are examined.
McCain is foolish; gullible might be better. He is “two for three” with fiscal and defense cred. Am mixed on him. Damned RINO not but conservative not, too.
Do your best guys as 2011 needs to start the undoing of USSA.
BTW Joe Arpaio rocks.
Caststeel on January 24, 2010 at 12:24 AM
The problem with going back to Lincoln’s GOP is that
1) There is often the portrayal that Lincoln fought the Civil War to preserve the Union and ultimately free slaves and give all Americans equal rights.
2) and more important to remember, Lincoln increased the power of the Federal gov’t and actually hurt states rights – now a tenet of “Republicanism.” Lincoln was not the strongest advocate for individual liberties or federalism – something the GOP has claimed to have a stronghold on during the 20th century. The GOP has drastically changed from what it was with Lincoln, and that is probably a good thing.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM
Indeed. If Hayworth is back on the hot seat for charges that he’s already been cleared of, McCain is certainly back on an even hotter seat for Keating Five.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM
Now that he has given up his radio show, I hope they bring back G. Gordon Liddy’s son, he had a good show out here before JD.
arizonateacher on January 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Well, so far, your experience is reading the LA Times and “meeting” a few.
My experience is much different.
I’ve “known” more than one or two. And as far as “meeting”, that’s a number in the hundreds. I’ve broken bread at their houses, and they’ve done the same with me. I’ve held their babies, coached their children, discussed politics, advised on marriage, and have had an uncountable amount of personal interactions over the full range of personal interactions. Some I can’t stand, some are uninteresting, and a few have become friends.
You can either take it with a grain of salt, or learn something from someone that has spent a lot of time amongst the Mexican illegal alien population on a human level.
I don’t play games with people. I deal with people straight up. You either like me, or you don’t…but it’s not for my lack of being honest. This has given me a reputation with the Mexicans. They trust me to speak my mind without playing games. They know how I feel about amnesty, and about the influx of illegal aliens into this country.
They have plenty of experience dealing with all the “nice” Americans that “care” about their plight. You know, the ones that greet them with a smile and stutter through “como estas” at Home Depot, as if that’s some kind of code for “we’re all in this together”. Of course, they read the LA Times, so they really understand these people just like they know their great grandparents.
With me it is a little different. Though they know my position, when they need a gringo they can trust, that is real, they skirt all the way around the liberal that wouldn’t have them at their house, except to clean their f%^&ing toilet….they come to me.
I’m telling you something you don’t want to hear. So, its difficult to open your mind to the actual realities on the ground. That’s to bad.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Here is Chris Simcox’s site….good lord I would love to have McCain take his due retirement & just HEAD HOME ALREADY! And no I’m not an Arizonan
SgtSVJones on January 24, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Your such a douche bag.
A have a few that are dear friends. If you think for a second that having a reputation for turning in illegals (as if the response would be vigilant, but that’s another story all together), would not be a danger to my family’s safety and income, than you really have no clue what it’s like down here in the real world.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 12:47 AM
I thought Liddy and Hill were alright, but I’ve liked J.D. more.
All of them have definitely been better than Grant Woods and the temp fill in Barry Markson!
Desert Gardens on January 24, 2010 at 12:56 AM
Watch the dim-witted old RINO campaign as a hard right conservative now that the writing’s on the wall. He NEEDS Palin for some conservative street-cred. Really don’t see what Palin get’s out of it though…..?
Tim_CA on January 24, 2010 at 12:56 AM
what an absolute nightmare.
We’ve got Shadegg retiring and the mayor of Phoenix – Phil “Flash” Gordon (D) running for his seat.
We’ve got Terry Goddard (D) running against Jane Hull2 (R) who is pushing a 1 cent sales tax while the republican controlled legislature is telling her to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
We’ve got Sheriff Arpaio (the ONLY guy who’s doing something about illegal immigration law enforcement) under Federal Grand Jury investigation brought about by Janet Napolitano who- being in DC – decided to use her pull and get back at him for his tweaking her while she was governor (Janet having replaced Jane Hull version 1).
We’ve got democrats coming out of our freakin ears here because all the nutballs from California came here in 1991 and brought their stupid ideas with them as they left a sinking ship.
JD was in a safe district until they reapportioned and also the mood turned and he was ousted.
We’ve got an Arizona Republican Party chairman that is out to lunch. Over 80% of the precincts in the state have no republican captains.
We’re under democratic judicial fiat to provide upwards of $5k per child for bilingual education or face a $5 million dollar a day charge (with no help from the feds for the illegal immigration where these kids need to learn english).
And now JD wants to go head to head with McCain.
Why is the Arizona republican party so full of egos and retribution?
JD should run against Goddard for GOVERNOR, thus saving McCain money, and giving the republicans in the legislature a captain they can count on instead of the red head that’s going to go down hard against Goddard who is the state’s AG right now.
Shadagg’s district is going to go democrat with Phil “Flash” Gordon – a nice guy but totally out of his league when he leaves the fish pond of Phoenix. Hope he likes the snow.
That leaves Sheriff Joe hanging out to dry along with Maricopa County Atty Thompson.
I don’t understand why all the republicans that want a job in office, can’t just draw from a hat what office they will run for and then go get it.
why weaken mccain so it emboldens a democrat to maybe take mccain’s seat? then we’re head to to democrat and at that point just call us mississippi in terms of being last in the country for everything.
Michael Steele better get in here and get that old fart out of the AZ GOP and put some young guy in there who’s not just waiting it out for retirement.
You’ll lose Arizona for the next 10 years at least and LaRaza wants us back.
LaRaza – you know them – the ones that say the only good european person is one not living in the southwest.
idiots.
all of them.
athenadelphi on January 24, 2010 at 1:00 AM
An absolutely correct portrayal. Had South Carolina not instigated the conflict, there would have been little Lincoln could have done. But once a Federal installation was attacked, there was, according to the Constitution, an insurrection and Lincoln was then free to do all manner of work to suppress the rebellion.
The “states rights” Lincoln supposedly curtailed didn’t exist. The South tried to write those so-called “states rights” back into its own Constitution, and that proved to be its undoing. If you look at the Constitution of the Confederate States of America and the Constitution of the United States of America, you can see exactly where the snips and cuts took place. They give you a much better understanding of the power of the Federal Government under the Constitution of the United States. That Constitution was written to replace the Article of Confederation and to remedy its defects — which, by the way, is the document the Confederate Constitution comes closest to emulating. When you are so “states rights” that some troops won’t venture outside their State, it’s all over…
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As for Lincoln’s position on personal freedom, his writings bear my position out. Any place where the Republican Party of 2009 has deviated from that of Lincoln’s time cannot be a good deviation. The party is still the party of the rights of the individual, not the group. That’s where Lincoln was. Illegal immigration is group-think policy, not “rights of the individual” policy.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:01 AM
IF McCain gave a damn about controlling illegal immigration, he would have done something to control it as a U.S. Senator, instead of trying to legalize it.
J.D. Hayworth has consistently spoken out about closing the borders to illegals and requiring law enforcement to enforce illegal immigration laws.
J.D. Hayworth is the type of U.S. Senator
ArizonaAmerica needs.Roy Rogers on January 24, 2010 at 1:05 AM
It’s “you’re”, or, if you truly want to use the singular, “th’art”. Are you a Marine?
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:14 AM
I respectfully disagree.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:14 AM
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:14 AM
Thanks for the grammar lesson.
I apologize.
Here let me fix it.
You are such a douche bag.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM
My experience differs considerably from yours. I’ve also learned, as one douche to another, that the most dishonest of men always speak of their own honesty.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM
That’s interesting.
I’ve found that changing the subject reflects a poor ability to grasp the subject at hand.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 1:23 AM
Sherlock, is that you?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 1:25 AM
So you believe that if no Southern militia had attacked federal property in a Southern state, then Lincoln would have allowed the South to leave the Union peacefully? Secondly, do you agree that the motivation for the Civil War was not emancipation of slaves?
My understanding is that Lincoln gave himself as President more power than his predecessors. He suspended Habeas Corpus – imprisoning Americans without trials. Essentially he grew the size of the Federal gov’t and gave it more power.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 1:28 AM
Nice summation!
Things here are a mess, and Hull has been an absolute disaster!
Desert Gardens on January 24, 2010 at 1:29 AM
why weaken mccain so it emboldens a democrat to maybe take mccain’s seat?
because he’s an odious lifer what needs to go home and relax with a sippy cup at whichever of his houses he can remember owning
happyfeet on January 24, 2010 at 1:36 AM
there could be less italics in that I think
happyfeet on January 24, 2010 at 1:37 AM
Admittedly, it’s impossible to predict what he would have done had SC not fired on the US, but I think it safe to assume that Lincoln would have pursued a provocative posture until he got what he was looking for.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 1:38 AM
I have no idea what Lincoln would have done had South Carolina not attacked Fort Sumter, and had the other States not likewise seized Federal property. It would have been an interesting secession to have left all Federal property untouched, the mails to go unimpeded, Federal troops to be allowed to march from place to place, Federal Courts to remain in session, and Federal elections to continue to take place, thus allowing Lincoln no pretext to declare rebellion.
As for the motivation for the Civil War, it was indeed slavery. The South Carolina secession declaration, which started the ball rolling, is quite emphatic:
This was in spite of the fact that the Taney Court had, through its rulings in such matters as the return of fugitive slaves and the transport of slaves as property into the free states, expanded slavery into the free states, and had additionally assured that any territory admitted as a state must allow slavery.
So I think the South shot itself in the foot. Had it not seceded, slavery might still be present in our country today; as Lincoln put it, we should have become all of the other.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:49 AM
As one douche to another, you changed it first into an ad hominem attack. I found a defect in your story (for a story it obviously is), and reported it back to you. You then change a few words (to use the phrase you so adroitly added thereafter), and then present a new “truth”.
You spend a couple of paragraphs telling me exactly how honest you are, but then, most interestingly, describe a sin of omission — a dishonesty, as it were, because you will not report your friends to the authorities for deportation.
I’m sorry, but there are some used car dealers in town with the word “Honest” in their name.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM
He did indeed exceed his powers. He suspended Habeas Corpus three times, and only the last time (Ex Parte Milligan) was found Unconstitutional. The Taney Court ruled that the trial of civilians by military tribunals is allowed only if civilian courts are closed. Hence, in the northern states, where US courts functioned, habeas corpus must operated, but in the South, under military rule, where the Southerners themselves had destroyed the Federal court system, it still did not.
In spite of this flaw, I look upon Lincoln as our greatest President. He did not let the opportunity offered by a crisis go — he scourged slavery from our land.
With respect to Lincoln’s growing of the government, it was either grow or be destroyed. That it should grow was the only possible response to the aggression of the South.
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 2:04 AM
Lets give all of Haiti amnesty! /s
Unless you are for ultra slums and violence in America then you are not for amnesty.
PrezHussein on January 24, 2010 at 2:11 AM
Well, thanks for at least admitting to some of his flaws.
Uh… well, that is true.
This is where I disagree. Yes, the entire union would have been destroyed with or without the growth of government had the Southern states successfully seceded. However, the North could have continued in existence even had the South seceded. Why government needed to grow in order for the Union States to survive is not clear to me.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:12 AM
That’s rich! A guy who’s repeatedly made unfounded, defamatory allegations of criminal misconduct concerning a matter that you yourself admitted you knew virtually nothing about only just hours ago—is suddenly a champion of virtue?
Sir, you have no shame.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 2:13 AM
Well, thanks for at least admitting to some of his flaws.
Uh… well, that is true.
This is where I disagree. Yes, the entire union would have been destroyed with or without the growth of government had the Southern states successfully left the union. However, the North could have continued in existence even had the South left. Why government needed to grow in order for the Union States to survive is not clear to me.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:14 AM
Here’s the original statement.
And here is the same consistent statement that you claim I changed.
That wasn’t deliberate, was it? That was a mistake on your part, right?
As to your point of my honesty in regards to turning illegals in. How does that work, exactly? If a Sheriff is being attacked by the DOHS, how exactly does a little carpenter like me take the world on?
Any ideas?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:19 AM
Pardon my html…
Original statement
Supposed change of statement
Again, that was a mistake on your part, right?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:23 AM
Now, at this point in the movie, if I were Unclesmrgol, (and thankfully I’m not because I wouldn’t be able to live with myself), I would think, “OMG, this guys a carpenter? Well, that probably explains why Sam has had so much experience dealing with illegal aliens!“, and I would immediately apologize for making false allegations about the authenticity of his experience.
But then, this is Unclesmeargol we’re talking about here so there’s little chance of that happening.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM
;-) hehe
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:33 AM
Just so you know the questions are for you…
Here’s the original statement.
And here is the same consistent statement that you claim I changed.
That wasn’t deliberate, was it? That was a mistake on your part, right?
As to your point of my honesty in regards to turning illegals in. How does that work, exactly? If a Sheriff is being attacked by the DOHS, how exactly does a little carpenter like me take the world on?
Any ideas?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:19 AM
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:34 AM
If me lady AnninCA were here, she’d have an idea…
Maybe she’d have a potluck dinner with some of her less fortunate neighbors to show them she wasn’t a racist.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:34 AM
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM
Well…I guess, based on my experience so far with this vile fraud, his next comment will be something like:
You’re not a carpenter since, obviously, that’s a lie, because carpenters cannot discuss the events at Fort Sumter, because it has nothing to do with table saws…and on and on and on….
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:42 AM
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:34 AM
Ahhhhhh. You were there that night at her debut at HA?
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:43 AM
Yes, I was. You really cracked me up. Hence the moniker ;)
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:46 AM
Hah!!!
I see you on this blog all the time, and never made the connection. Your moniker has an entirely new meaning to me now!
LOL!
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 2:55 AM
He’ll probably say something like that unless he slinks back into his hole instead, but I recall that you mentioned being a carpenter several months ago so it would be easy enough to establish.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 2:57 AM
Well, I’m out. Ann’s waiting for me /s
Goodnight, see you around, and, no, I don’t think you’re a liar or a douche – well, only when dealing with Ann.
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:59 AM
MeatHeadinCA on January 24, 2010 at 2:46 AM
I’ve been enjoying your discussion on the party of Lincoln, and Federalism suffering post 1865, and the question of the incongruity of GOP principles with an expanding Party of Lincoln etc….
As a side note…
I read the book Lincoln, by William Saffire years ago. It was one of the most incredible books I ever read on Lincoln. Highly recommended.
It was like being in the White House for the entire two years up until the Emancipation Proclamation. It was riveting.
Saltysam on January 24, 2010 at 3:04 AM
Arizonateacher, I certainly agree with you! I used to listen to JD sometimes but he can be such an idiot. He’s disrepectful, belittles/demeans people and I would not trust his behavior enough to vote for him. He calls the Arizona Republic newspaper the “Arizona Repugnant” and refers to ABC’s George Stephanopolus as “Snuffleupagus”. Hardly the sense of decorum one would expect in a senator.
GrannySunni on January 24, 2010 at 4:11 AM
With McCain’s legendary temper and his ignorance of important issues like economics, if he had a radio show it would be lame, too.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 4:21 AM
Even if you love McCain and want him in the senate….isn’t this still a good thing since the immigration debate is in the pipeline for after the healthcare debate?
If McCain takes radical positions that angers the base again, then he may get himself in trouble with the base.
This way he is actually accountable rather than just doing whatever he wants.
Spathi on January 24, 2010 at 5:11 AM
A horrible position Palin has put herself in. Horrible! What a dumb move of pledging to campaign for John McCain. She owed him nothing. She saved him from having an embarrassing loss in ’08.
I believe Palin hired herself a couple of GOP Estab type advisers and look at the extreme awkward position they’ve led her into. Big question is – was it purposeful? Is that what they were sent in to do? IMO there is not one GOP adviser, consultant or strategists alive who gets it. Not one. Don’t trust any of them and they should be purged out of any GOP party influence. DD
Darvin Dowdy on January 24, 2010 at 6:03 AM
What “outsider” views does Palin have?
Spathi on January 24, 2010 at 6:41 AM
Almost right! Not two passports, just one, a Mexican one with a work visa. What is broken here is that we don’t have a guest worker program, like other countries. The big Elephant in the room is we need these migrant workers for our farm work. They want to work during the season, and go home. They cannot live here comfortable on what they make, but in Mexico the money goes a long way and they have very nice homes and wonderful families. As we close the border they get stuck on this side, instead of being able to go home after the harvesting season is over. The whole mess is because we don’t have a guest worker program. After 9/11 its become all politicized and missing the point. Give the migrant workers guest workers visas, and secure the border. 80% is a guest worker problem, the rest that are trying to immigrate illegal will be more easy to take to care of. The whole thing has become very stupid and hyped.
Ed Laskie on January 24, 2010 at 7:59 AM
No, we haven’t forgotten: amnesty, against Bush tax cuts, “my friends, let’s reach across the aisle”…I wrote to him and he replied with “we need to work together on healthcare, amnesty etc…”
No, he had his chance, ran a terrible campaign, we plugged our nose and voted for him knowing Obowma would be a disaster, McCain lost and he will lose this year.
dthorny on January 24, 2010 at 8:47 AM
Hayworth doesn’t have the personality to fit the times. People are looking for genuine, soft spoken conservative voices that bring real life experiences to Washington to change the status quo and return the power to the people.
Hayworth strikes me as a big blowhard who is more concerned with how his hair looks.
No thanks.
tatersalad on January 24, 2010 at 8:56 AM
The war is against Teas/Cons vs the GOP progressives.
Also, your defense sounds more like a defense for Palin due to her supporting the progressive candidate.
I agree that Hayworth may not be the best candidate to use as the focal point of the war, but at the very least it can be used to send the GOP a message.
True_King on January 24, 2010 at 9:22 AM
a. I don’t stay up to all hours waiting for someone to get done with their honey dos
b. just trying to understand how you can be anti illegal on one hand but be “good friends” with many of them on the other? Did they tell you something like “Psst I am here illegally and if you tell anyone I will harm you?” Even if inferred and you continue to associate with people who view things that way I think your behavior demonstrates who the “ignorant one” really is.
Bradky on January 24, 2010 at 9:39 AM
Oooooh… this is getting fun now… I love J.D.!
ErinF on January 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM
So many McCain kool-aid drinkers here. Some forget the Demoncrapic tactics that brought down many good Republicans in 06 and 08. They leveled charges of corruption and the MSM abetted them. What really makes me sad is that many on our side fell for it. J.D. was a loyal McCain man until he started down the amnisty road. McCain is vindictive son of a so and so, and from the moment that J.D. went against his stand on Immigration reform, he became McCain’s enemy. McCain fought against J.D. in his 06 campaign, but only behind the scenes where only J.D. knew. Do we really not understand the politics that were employed to give the dems the majorities they now have, Mccain did and said nothing, and did nothing, real character there. Listen this election here in Arizona is a battle between politics as usual and freedom. look at Washington, is this what you want for the future of America, John Mccain does, and he has proved it at every turn. Some say he’s right on conservative issues, yeah their right, but all the big issues, Cap and tax. immigration, global warming, he’s poler opposite. J.D. may have flaws, but who doesn’t, is a MUCH better alternative.
jainphx on January 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM
Que onda paisano!
The problem with us Mexicans, in particular with those that are here illegally, is that we have become a little radicalized based on the educational system but mostly based on the groups that blast propoganda at us all day – La Raza, Lulac, Chicanos Por La Causa, Univision, Telemundo, etc. Everything that white America suspects they teach us, well, they do. Though most are family oriented they have an overwhelmingly tendency, based on what they’ve been propagated their whole lives, to vote the marxists into power. This is exactly what The Planners had in mind. Flood the states and force integration much like they’ve done in Europe with Muslims, the chaos that ensues makes it much easier for the marxists to gain power.
People who support Amnesty don’t understand that they are simply following a plan that they are unaware of. It is the purposeful attempt to dilute or overwhelm the white races and to destroy Christianity. Yes, it’s unpopular to say that but that is one of the primary tenets of the marxist plan.
As a Mexican, born in Mexico, immigrated to America by a Mexican mother, and lives, breaths, and walks the American-Mexican experience, I know what the marxists are trying to do to us brownies. The marxists desire to create racial strife is offensive and evil and I will fight it with every fiber of my being!
Que La Revolucion Pacifica Americana Viva Por Siempre!
True_King on January 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM
FYI:
If your not from Arizona you wont understand why JD Hayworth & others are running against McCain. So I will sum it up for you.
McCain forgot he represents Arizona first and the other 49 states 2nd.
IE, Amnesty,McCain Fiengold (Anti first amendment)
Sorry American we’re sick of him,but JD has always remembered where he came from.
Col.Smeag on January 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Col.Smeag on January 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM
+1000 and so right on the mark.
jainphx on January 24, 2010 at 10:17 AM
I’ve not read all the comments, so I may be repeating others.
This is big. Bigger than New York, Massachusettes, New Jersey, Virgina–combined.
If we conservatives pull this off, the ramifications will be astounding. Our message will be resounding all across the nation and the world.
I have yet to donate to a political campaign. I will now.
McCain has been a real disappointment to me, but it is not just McCain I’m against.
It is the “business as usual” mindset of the politicians that occupy Washington. It is the disdain that they show for the people of the United States. It is the arrogance of the office holders who continually promote their own welfare rather than the welfare of this great country.
And I have lost trust in most of the office holders we now have. I’ve not been a proponent of “throw them all out”–until now.
Even though the Mass. guy who took “Ted Kennedy’s seat” was not the ideal candidate, the voters showed the political establishment that they owned the seat. (Good job, Mass.!)
I can understand Palin’s loyalty to McCain. If not for him, she’d still be the unknown governor of Alaska. She still has my support for a national job. I just hope she stops at endorsing Mac and does not campaign for him.
davidk on January 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM
ditto
cmsinaz on January 24, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Palin will not help her political future going 0 for 2 with McCain.
Palin = Business as Usual.
Firebird on January 24, 2010 at 11:36 AM
You are correct that Arizona is a right to work state. However, there is a teacher’s union out here called the Arizona Education Association which is a branch of the NEA. I know. I’m an Arizona teacher, too. What sets us apart from those union-controlled Eastern states is that we are not forced against our will to join the union, and it would be a cold day in hell before I ever joined anything associated with the NEA. JD is correct that teachers’ unions, not just in Arizona but nationwide, are the problem with education so I certainly would not hold that against him.
As far as JD getting beaten by a Democrat back in 2006, I would remind readers that 2006 was the year the Democrats took back control of Congress – and all indications were that was a backlash against a Republican stranglehold on both the executive and legislative branches of government. Now we’re seeing it flip to a backlash against the Dems who now have a stranglehold on government.
Another observation I find interesting is that McCain is attacking Hayworth already when his candidacy isn’t even official yet. And yet when running for president, he wouldn’t “go negative” against Obama. This is the typical modus operandi for McCain: to show the world what an independent little maverick he is, he will treat his fellow Republicans with malice and contempt but suck up to Democrats.
I’ve had enough of that jacka$$ and will support Hayworth. McCain needs to retire with Reid and Specter. I hope they all get soundly defeated – and I hope the door hits their a$$ on the way out.
Special K on January 24, 2010 at 12:29 PM
It’s not as if ICE responds to complaints like the local fire department.
Chris_Balsz on January 24, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I know what I read in the newspaper I cited. If Hayworth gave back the money to the Tribes, then that’s a whole new ballgame and I’ll apologize. But as it is, he went much further than failing to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
Did Hayworth give back the money?
unclesmrgol on January 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Excellent point! McCain won’t “go negative” against Dems, but does not hesitate to do it to those in his own party!
Desert Gardens on January 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Well, we got 2 days of hope. Now, it’s back to infighting in the GOP.
And, the pundits will be right. It will harm the overall success rate.
Good thing I’m philosophical. If the party is divided, then it’s divided. And it shouldn’t be in power until it works through its “issues.”
I suggest therapy. *haha
AnninCA on January 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM
And your little Democratic Party isn’t split, either, is it. Nope. All is fine.
I think right now, people are pretty fed up with all parties, incumbents beware!
Special K on January 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM
If you read it in the Newspaper you obviously believe Barrack Obama is God. If you read it in the Arizona Republic you obviously believe Barrack Obama is Gods Dad…Like Scott Brown said this is about local politics. You RINO’s and Liberals from other states stay out of it. Say what you want McCain has turned on Arizona CONSERVATIVES too many times. He is a Liberal unless it’s an election year.
Col.Smeag on January 24, 2010 at 2:34 PM
You are a fool, Unclesmrgol. McCain’s alleged roll in Keating Five is a hundred times larger than Hayworth’s alleged role in Abramoff. So even if progressives like yourself score 1 dishonest point against Hayworth, you will simultaneously be scoring 100+ points against McCain.
If you don’t have any shame at least use your brain, idiot.
FloatingRock on January 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM
When I see those illegal aliens hanging out in front of Home Depot, using the bushes as their toilet and leaving trash, I see LAWBREAKERS.
Your bleeding heart is showing~you want amnesty for 20 to 40 million illegal aliens…when you GIVE THEM American citizenship that they did not earn, you are giving them free reign to our politcal system, our entitlement systems~they already have free medical care, but you give them medicaid, (which some already have cheated the system to get), medicare, social security, and the list goes on.
They will want their entire family to come here to engorge themselves on our backs, and bleeding hearts like yourself will give it to them.
They will be led to vote for the democrats, by La Raza and Maldef because the democrats will make all their dreams come true~living high on the back of the American citizen.
Your attitude toward illegal aliens is part of a chain of benefiting lawlessness, to the detriment of the FEDERAL LAW and THOSE THAT ARE TASKED TO UPHOLD THAT LAW.
You speak of these poor souls coming here, only to earn a living, but you forget about the gangs, the drug dealers, the thiefs, the drunk drivers, the murderers, the rapists, that come in with their fellow lawbreakers.
They have broken the law once they step into our country without permission, the proper paperwork, while millions of other people wait their turn, jump through the hoops, to be able to attain the American dream. Since they have already broken the law, why worry about the law……
Go to the US border, Arizona, California, Texas, New Mexico and talk to the US Border Patrol Agents that protect your sorry self against the invasion~it will open your eyes.
They are attacked nightly by rocks, bricks, they have to make sure to watch for guillitines set up by illegals to behead them. They are shot at, they are murdered by illegals bringing drugs and human traffic across the border….look up the agent that was run over in Imperial Sands~California/Arizona border as he tried to put up spike strips~he was run over by a Humvee. Look up the agent that was shot in California this past year~he was killed by illegals.
When bleeding hearts like yourself try to teach us law abiding citizens about how awful we are about wanting to uphold the law~you think about the agents on the border that YOU PUT IN DANGER WITH YOUR STUPIDITY! You are so politically correct, you have no problem allowing lawbreakers to have what many have fought and died for.
You are pathetic.
HornetSting on January 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM
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