Big Apple mayor blasts Obama bank rules

posted at 1:36 pm on January 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

If Barack Obama hoped to pivot to the economy by stirring up populist anger against the very banks he and Democrats in Congress helped bail out over the last two years, he found controversy and a shot across his bow instead.  Mayor Mike Bloomberg lashed out at Obama’s reform proposals, calling them economic doom for his city and an end to the US as the center of Western finance.  Expect layoffs by the boatload if this passes, an angry Bloomberg told reporters yesterday:

President Barack Obama’s demand Thursday that Congress clamp down on the size of banks and their investments got major blowback from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who said it could cause layoffs and hurt the city.

It’s a clash between the president and the mayor. President Obama wants to whittle away at the size of the financial services industry. …

The mayor was so upset about the move — and a suggestion that Wall Street bonuses be put in escrow, which means the money wouldn’t be spent here, wouldn’t help the city economy — he responded with a proposal of his own for members of Congress.

“Maybe we should hold back their salaries for a decade or so and see whether the laws they pass work out,” Bloomberg said.

The mayor also demanded that the members of our congressional delegation go to the mat to protect the financial services industry, much like senators from Texas protect the oil industry.

Obama got some pushback from his own team as well.  Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, already one of the most unpopular officials in Obama’s Cabinet, let his reservations about Obama’s plan go public at the same time:

President Barack Obama’s newest Wall Street crackdown was met with hesitation from Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who voiced concern that politics could sacrifice good economic policy, according to financial industry sources.

Geithner is concerned that the proposed limits on big banks’ trading and size could impact U.S. firms’ global competitiveness, the sources said, speaking anonymously because Geithner has not spoken publicly about his reservations.

He also has concerns that the limits do not necessarily get at the root of the problems and excesses that fueled the recent financial meltdown, the sources said.

The Corner has an enlightening running debate at their site today on how exactly these reforms would have stopped the 2008 financial collapse.  The consensus among supporters and dissenters is that they wouldn’t have even applied to that crisis, a conclusion that the White House essentially corroborated with its response to Reuters:

The White House official said Obama’s economic team considered the concern that proprietary trading was not at the heart of the problems that fueled the financial crisis.  But it concluded that reform needed to be about more than just fighting the last war, it needed to address sources of future risk as well, the official said.

That certainly leaves the impression that the White House plan has a lot more to do with long-term ideological goals than in fixing what actually went wrong.

Read through the entire debate, because both sides make good points.  To the extent that we allowed financial institutions to reach the point where one or two failures could crash the whole system, some reform may be in order.  But we should be focusing on fixing what was broken, not on a wish list of government interventions left over from the early 1980s, either.  We can start by removing the moral hazard that the bailouts created, ie, make it clear that we aren’t bailing out banks or corporations in the future and ending the TARP programs immediately.

But if we really want to keep the financial sector healthy, Congress has to quit conducting social engineering by warping the market with artificial incentives, especially in lending and securities.  None of this would have happened had Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac not started a housing bubble by buying and then securitizing trillions in bad debt, pushed by Congress to entice lenders to make risky loans, and then not paying attention to the secondary derivative markets that created.  Legislation that bars the government from the lending markets in any other role than normal regulation would go a long way towards building investor confidence and economic strength.

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Anyone listening to Rush? He played some of Obama’s speech in Ohio, on jobs. What a bunch of crap. What was more worrisome, was the applause I was hearing? Was this audience stacked? I can’t believe any thinking person would buy this crap, and think it was so rousing, to warrant applause.

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM

yes, subZer0 is trying to summon his inner marxist and “fight the power” and it ain’t about me, its’ ’bout you, cept its about me and not the polls, polls are like trucks, anyone can have a truck. What a schmuck.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM

But don’t you admire his new look? It’s from the Ahmedinejad School of Fashion.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

A woman 83 years old is worried about Social Security.

83? She’s already been collecting for 20 years. What about the rest of us? We’re screwed.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM

She has good reason to fear. The Dems are shafting her, and she’s basically helpless. The DEMS made it that way for her. So much for their concept of ‘love’.

You, me, an others–we’ll be fine. That old lady, tho–I dread for her thanks to liberals.

Without trying, she made a statement about liberalism.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Excellent point. I’ll trump this Obama, Axelrod and Pelosi with a Jefferson, Madison and Adams any damn day.

Patriots.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

All you need is one Hamilton. I dare The One to call him out.

BobMbx on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

It’s hard to be the underdog when you’re supposed to be the leader of the Free World.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

amen!

cmsinaz on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

JusDreamin on January 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Obama thinks he’s playing the underdog….
ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM

It’s hard to be the underdog when you’re supposed to be the leader of the Free World.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Pity parties are great, when they’re political expedient. They come naturally for a spoiled, narcissistic, pin headed, intellectually stunted moron.

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

yowser

cmsinaz on January 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Rush is goin’ on about subZer0 being a coulda-woulda-shoulda guy. Not a leader. He’s an agitator–he demands things and shifts blame.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Anyone listening to Rush? He played some of Obama’s speech in Ohio, on jobs. What a bunch of crap. What was more worrisome, was the applause I was hearing? Was this audience stacked? I can’t believe any thinking person would buy this crap, and think it was so rousing, to warrant applause.

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Some of the applause was a little weak. Fox finally cut off the campaign speech.

Best quote “I’m bringing the steel mills back to Ohio”

LMAO! Right Barry, after the unions and their outrageous contracts forced them out of the country how many years ago?

Knucklehead on January 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

But don’t you admire his new look? It’s from the Ahmedinejad School of Fashion.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I don’t watch subZer0. I deconstruct him.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Bingo. Has he asked a question yet?
Dire Straits on January 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM

No Julio today.

yoda on January 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Some of his restrictions seem like a good idea to me. Didn’t some of these used to be in place until Reagan removed them?

jeanie on January 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

The banks paid back the money already, with INTEREST. This is just a new tax.

Bozo is lying and destroying the economy.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

She has good reason to fear. The Dems are shafting her, and she’s basically helpless. The DEMS made it that way for her. So much for their concept of ‘love’.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

How are they shafting her? She’s still getting her monthly checks. She was concerned because she wasn’t going to get her COLA increase this year. Obama explained to her that she will get it, but in a different form. A single check payment from S.S.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Oh–subZer0 is going on about “getting your money back”—about TARP loans.

This is the SAME guy that PREVENTED banks that were FORCED to take TARP loans from PAYING THEM back….and now he wants the money back. If I were a banker, I’d sh!t in the bag and remind him that I wanted to pay it off back in August.

Memories.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Me too. Actually I was listening to talk radio for AK and we are talking about seceding. And no I am not kidding.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Would hate to see you go, two less sane voices in the Senate.

Alaska is too cold for my wife, and Texas is too hot for me.

I’m scr#wed.

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM

And you live where?

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Pray tell how in the world could anybody listening to this horse sh!t think that this speech was anything about jobs!? Ohio I hope you are feeling better after this speech I know I am. Good Lord I have to laugh to keep from crying.

Dire Straits on January 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Oh that wasn’t both of my Senators. It was my Gov (Parnell) and my repub senator kind of RINO Murkowski. We have a senator who is a complete weenie… Begich. He is a Obama jr.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

And the Dow is dropping as he speaks.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Anyone listening to Rush? He played some of Obama’s speech in Ohio, on jobs. What a bunch of crap. What was more worrisome, was the applause I was hearing? Was this audience stacked? I can’t believe any thinking person would buy this crap, and think it was so rousing, to warrant applause.

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Have Rush on, but had to turn FNC on mute with closed caption. I swear this flock of sheeple in the audience
was given ketamine laced kool-aid before being seated.

redridinghood on January 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

subZer0 is speaking of himself in the third person. Reminds me of a great Seinfeld episode.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

calling them economic doom for his city and an end to the US as the center of Western finance

Mission Accomplish ’10

Branch Rickey on January 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

The banks paid back the money already, with INTEREST. This is just a new tax.

Bozo is lying and destroying the economy.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Good point! Has anyone asked why the Auto Companies (GM and Chrysler) don’t have to pay their bailout back?

Dire Straits on January 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

And the Dow is dropping as he speaks.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

bo speaks and The System…..is working.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

was given ketamine laced kool-aid before being seated.

redridinghood on January 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

and a shot of propofol….

Amnesia.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM

And the Dow is dropping as he speaks.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

it makes me want to take my money out and bury it in my backyard…

ugh

cmsinaz on January 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM

HaHa.

Fox and MSNBC drop Obama speech.

CNN still kissing butt.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

And you live where?

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Iowa

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

surprised msdnc dropped it…that’s their man!

cmsinaz on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Good point! Has anyone asked why the Auto Companies (GM and Chrysler) don’t have to pay their bailout back?

Dire Straits on January 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Don’t worry, he’ll tax Ford to get the money back.

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Doesn’t anyone get this? Obowmao is a figurehead. The REAL power is pulling his strings. It’s the Dem Party and its platform. He just parrots the Party’s line.

It was ‘time’ to push a black president, especially after losing big-time with the first female VP candidate back in the 80s. Think they forget that mess? Probably why they didn’t choose Hillary.

And, really, the Left’s matter was that he’s black, not that he could get shit done. And the Dems missed, they chose a submissive who they thought could lead us to the long-wanted liberal Utopia.

But he fails every time. Obowmao’s puppetmasters screwed up again, and you can bet that for at least a decade the Dems will never again feature a black candidate. Expect from them, next, an Hispanic.

It’s tactics. But if you’re messed up in the first place as is the Dem Party, how can you expect a demigod to spring up like the Great Pumpkin from a pile of trash?

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

MSNBC? The Comcast deal must be close to being done.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Iowa

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

where?

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Her fear is legitimate enough. As you libs like, details need not be provided.

She’s afraid, the Dems changed their own rules, and that’s enough for me to condemn the Dem Party.

I need nothing else and have no cause to defend myself against liberal nitpicking designed only to change focus of the argument.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Fox and MSNBC drop Obama speech.

CNN still kissing butt.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

That’s ok, after all, Fox isn’t real news, don’tch’know?

OmahaConservative on January 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

I really can’t believe what I’m hearing. Obama just said “I know people think our health care plan is complicated, but in reality, it’s pretty simple”.

2500 pages of simplicity.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

damn, rush’s show is over.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Iowa

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Ummm sweetie. You do realize that it has been colded there.. then Anchorage all year.

Just a thought. The only thing you will have issues with.. is 4 hours of daylight for 2 months.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

damn, rush’s show is over.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM

That was a quick one, damnit and I wasted four minutes on 0.

OmahaConservative on January 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Bloomberg let his CDS blind him to the facts of Teh One and went ahead and backed him, now NYC is dealing with the fallout on many fronts, the KSM trial, the antibanker pseudopopulism….

ginaswo on January 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM

First we had “too big to fail”, now its just “too big”.

DavidM on January 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Bozo is merely campaigning in Ohio. He’s clueless and does nothing whatsoever.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Her fear is legitimate enough. As you libs like, details need not be provided.

She’s afraid, the Dems changed their own rules, and that’s enough for me to condemn the Dem Party.

I need nothing else and have no cause to defend myself against liberal nitpicking designed only to change focus of the argument.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Are you calling me a lib? Get your head out of your arse.

How is her fear legitimate enough when she is losing NOTHING from S.S.? Your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

I’ve seen your act around here for a long time. Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically called a liberal. You also like to try to hook-up with other commenters here like your some kind of Cassanova or something. Even came on to AnninCa. You’re a loser pal. And HotAir is not a dating service.

Now go ahead and call me a lib again. That’s your MO.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

subZer0 is speaking of himself in the third person. Reminds me of a great Seinfeld episode.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

I can see it now. ROFL

Obama: Barack likes waigu steak. Barack likes communism. Barack likes stealing the wealth of this country. Barack doesn’t like date nights, but it’s good photo op material. Barack wants to rule from the beaches, and golf courses of Hawaii.

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

The main point one has to understand about liberals is they are strident anti-population growth advocates. This is no secret in their inner circles, virtually everything they propose centers around the ideology that there are too many of us in the world.

Health Care Reform was a means to further that end, to restrict treatment for the old and promote abortion to the young. I was taught this in public schools by a liberal science teacher. The truly disgusting part is how Token and his ilk flat-out deny this ideology, and then scheme how to enact it. God Himself has (hopefully) rescued us from their grasp.

leftnomore on January 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

damn, rush’s show is over.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Yeah, and he won’t be back til next Wed. Don’t get me wrong. I like Mark Steyn, but he’s just not Rush. lol

capejasmine on January 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM

and a shot of propofol….

Amnesia.

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Or in order to get people to come into the Obama “It’s all about Me” Show they were giving out prizes for the loudest clap, the snappiest dresser or the most enchanted question asked by and audience participant.
Gotta be drugs or prizes.

redridinghood on January 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I’m late in commenting, but had to point out that this:

The best way to regulate banks, IMHO, is through the FDIC. The FDIC, if it does not already, should have the ability to adjust the premium it charages a bank and the amount of each account it will insure.

Lower premiums and higher account coverage should be granted to banks whose majority stockholders put the personal assets on the line. Higher premiums and lowervaccount coverage should be applied to banks whose majority shareholders have little at stake (e.g., Citi).

This shouls create a more self-regulating environment in that businesses and individuals would choose the banks that are safer and have owners with skin in the game.

WashJeff on January 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM

…Was genius. When will our politicians figure out that there’s plenty of room to regulate the free market within the current system, and they don’t need to abort capitalism to play by their social agenda. President “B+ Hopenchange Obama” lacks even the self-preservation and insight to play by the rules, even though he’d be far more successful and discreet if he did. Seems he’d rather get credit for persuing his Marxist ideals than actually achieve them. One for the history books, indeed.

It’s a shame for our nation that HA commenters regularly have more legitimate and workable ideas than even our best (read: most conservative) representatives in DC.

RachDubya on January 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I F’d up big time calling you a lib. I was wrong and I respectfully apologize.

As for the 83-year-old woman: If she’s scared about her sustenance, she has good reason to be. The Dems are proposing a cut in Medicare benefits. Hell, my mom is in a nursing home and might suffer for the Dem plan to cut into that. Is the result of Dem promise to provide and protect subject to change for the lowest denominator?

That’s where I hit the Dems. They speak high and mighty words yet go for the lowest level. Then they revoke their own pledges when it’s expedient for them to do so, all the while claiming ‘compassion’.

Changes scare the aged, that’s just simple fact. And the liberal way of doing things is a midnight horror in my mind. They set all this up. Now they damned sure should live with it.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM

This sorry excuse for an administration has determined all of its policies and legislative priorities on the basis of focus polling. They determined that people hate insurance companies, so they developed ObamaoScare to demonize the insurance companies.

They determined that people hate Wall Street and big banks, so they are determined to trash both with punitive legislation.

Ironically, the WH and the backroom legislators were cutting deals with insurance companies, and Wall St.bankers were ObaMao’s biggest supporters.

Frank and Dodd have crafted legislation re the banking/finance sector even though they are two of the biggest perpetrators of the financial collapse.

Until Fannie and Freddie, the CRA, and Geithner’s role while in the NY Fed are investigated and until the federal government is de-coupled from the fixes of the problems that they created, we will be witnessing a continued collapse of our monetary system.

Fannie and Freddie enjoyed a lift from their cap ceilings at Christmas while nobody was looking. Fannie and Freddie executives received, I believe, $6 million dollar bonuses, yet no one is raising hell over this audacity. Shouldn’t the tax-paying public be more outraged by this abuse of power?

onlineanalyst on January 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM

It’s a shame for our nation that HA commenters regularly have more legitimate and workable ideas than even our best (read: most conservative) representatives in DC.

RachDubya on January 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM

It is common sense. We, as HA readers seem to have it, they in D.C., do not.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM

I understand what you are talking about. You are worried about your Mom as I worry about my Grandmother (who is in a nursing home) as well as my Mom, who lives with me and works but is not very healthy.

SS is the only way my grandmother is able to live in that home. My Mom relies on me. But that may change as I may be taking in a grandparent as well as I am the oldest grandchild and my aunts and uncles are unable to afford her living with them.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Considering what BO’s banking proposals did to the stock market this week if he keeps at it no one will have any money left to pay his tax increases. We should require all future presidents to pass Exon 101 instead of how to community organize.

duff65 on January 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Blue on blue crime, so sweet it is.

fossten on January 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Obama has done a lot of things that made me angry, as someone who loves New York City this proposal might be the worse. It really is that bad. ALL OF THE BUSINESS WILL GO TO HONG KONG OR LONDON!!!!

rob verdi on January 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

And on top of that, I and my children have been adding to take care of my ailing mom. The Dems promise, in essence, ‘full care’ but haven’t provided that in the first place.

Dems lie. We have no problem making sure my mom is covered, but where are those loving compassionate libs who care so much and made so many promises?

Oh, I know! They’re convening to cut their funds to those they promised to cover.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:20 PM

That was a quick one, damnit and I wasted four minutes on 0.

OmahaConservative on January 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

you won’t do that again now will ya.??/

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Yep. I and my BF were thinking about buying a house together.. a couple years down the road. It looks like I may be buying sooner then later with or without the BF in mind (we were going to have one built) and have it modified for both my mom and grandmother such as the bathroom and have handicapped access and such.

This is not easy for me as I am in my early 30′s. But I can’t imagine a healthy 50 yr old or older having to deal with it or someone in their 20′s either. I see the stress level rising to extremes due to this. I see people taking it out on their parents, even if that is sad to say. And I see the government interveening in their care as well as us helping our own family.

It makes me wonder why even try… I am being screwed every which way. Not just by Dems but Repubs and I am becoming angrier as the year goes by.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM

I think you missed my point entirely from my original post on the 83 year old woman. I don’t want you to think I don’t have compassion for the elderly, I do. In fact I guess I’m one of them now, turned 63 last month.

My point was she was already fortunate to collect from SS for many years, given her age. I am convinced I will be collecting for far fewer years, yet I contributed to SS for over 40 years. And as a sole proprietor of my own business, I paid plenty. Folks younger than I am, in their 20s and 30s can probably expect to get exactly zero dollars back from SS.

So my point was, maybe a 20 year old had more right and reason to complain about SS than an 83 year old.

Thanks for the apology. Please accept my own as well, but you got my blood boiling with that “lib” label.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM

It is common sense. We, as HA readers seem to have it, they in D.C., do not.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM

People in general have more common sense…D.C. seems to suck that out of them.

right2bright on January 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Just a thought. The only thing you will have issues with.. is 4 hours of daylight for 2 months.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

I thought that was the coolest thing….Elmendorf AFB, ’68-71. Nothing like ice skating all the way to school….when it’s pitch black. Ice hockey at recess. Looking out the kitchen window and staring eye to eye with a moose. Trout and salmon fishing…just pick a stream anywhere and drop a line.

Wow. Fond memories.

BobMbx on January 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM

It makes me wonder why even try… I am being screwed every which way. Not just by Dems but Repubs and I am becoming angrier as the year goes by.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I would recommend you try because you WANT better for your life. My dad always told me “The world owes you a living but you gotta work like hell to get it.”

I further recommend be as loving as you can be to others, harm no one, and do what YOU need to feel and be whole.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM

I really can’t believe what I’m hearing. Obama just said “I know people think our health care plan is complicated, but in reality, it’s pretty simple”.

2500 pages of simplicity.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

That sounds about right. 10 pages devoted to Healthcare and the rest for creating the shell game.

Electrongod on January 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Thanks for the apology. Please accept my own as well, but you got my blood boiling with that “lib” label.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Kinda brought a tear to my eye…what is funny, is if Liam was a liberal he would have claimed “I never actually said you were a lib, I said I was tired of the nitpicking”.
Instead, he manned up and admitted he was wrong…that was cool…and you were cool for accepting.
Excuse me, someone must be peeling an onion nearby….

right2bright on January 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Thanks for the apology. Please accept my own as well, but you got my blood boiling with that “lib” label.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM

The misstatement was on my part, I started the matter. Still, thanks!

I see your point fully, I assure. I’m thinking in the way an 83-year-old would, like my mom. Seniors hate change, it’s the way of humanity. They were told a promise since what–1933 or so? And now, in this Century, it’s being revoked by the same Party that promised them a ‘full’ future.

Maybe it’s really a bad thing for kids in their 20s to realize mom and dad aren’t around forever. Maybe they need to grasp the reality of self-reliance?

Basically, you and I are of a same mind. Coolness!

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Another of BHO’s miscalculations…

d1carter on January 22, 2010 at 3:41 PM

right2bright on January 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Thank you!

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:42 PM

“Maybe we should hold back their salaries for a decade or so and see whether the laws they pass work out,” Bloomberg said.

Who would argue with this?

Sorry, late to the thread. People knock Romney–and I don’t see how he overcomes Romneycare–but of all the possible presidential contenders for 2012 who, in either party, has as much gravitas as Romney? Obama is an economic idiot; he couldn’t run a lemonade stand. If Romney were smart, he would commission a private study–even hold widely publicized conferences about the sources of the crises. The GOP would come out with some black eyes, but Frank, Dodd, and many other Dems would be lucky if they were only drawn and quartered.

I point this out because Obama and Dems are simply going to toss out bogus financial reforms and never allow a truly transparent investigation of the crisis. I think Romney or other conservatives could pull this off because NO ONE believes anything Congress says or does these days.

It’s time to ridicule these people in advance of November 2010 and November 2012.

BuckeyeSam on January 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM

it’s pretty simple”.

2500 pages of simplicity.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

It is simple…you just sit down, shut up, pay what you are told to pay…and the gov. will take care of everything else.
Every thing is simple if you don’t ask questions, just nod your head.

right2bright on January 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM

ted c on January 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM

But don’t you admire his new look? It’s from the Ahmedinejad School of Fashion.

kingsjester on January 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Ah, yes, neckties are such a symbol of Western oppression… or something. But isn’t he cool though, not a hair out of place?

onlineanalyst on January 22, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Every thing is simple if you don’t ask questions, just nod your head.

right2bright on January 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Real simple, down to the basics. After having once been homeless myself, it all comes down to getting food, water, getting warm, and praying to God it doesn’t rain tonight.

Well, I’m one who will endlessly question the Left until they pass a law against bad weather and can make it stick.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Markets down almost 230- a guest on CNBC basically just laid out Barry as a disgraceful populist.
He’s totally responsible for the last 2 days plunge.
That ought to make you popular, huh clown?

jjshaka on January 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

That ought to make you popular, huh clown?

jjshaka on January 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

No, the vast right-wing conspiracy is running in abject fear of the brilliance that is Obama!

The Right is pulling out its money, that they can keep their wealth at the expense of the country. Only Obama has the perfect way, and he will get them thar vile cons. Obama will make us all rich, with higher taxes and the destruction of those rich white fatcats who provide jobs!

/total sarc

I can’t wait to see a statue of Obowma talk on its own.

Liam on January 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM

“Maybe we should hold back their salaries for a decade or so and see whether the laws they pass work out,” Bloomberg said.

That is the best thing I have ever heard Bloomberg say! Maybe an idea whose time has come.

JellyToast on January 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

This type of screwing around with our institutions for ideological reasons is going to lead to another crash.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I have an idea to save the economy: Give every working tax paying and out of work American 1 million dollars with stipulations, pay off or buy a new home, pay off and or buy a new vehicle, buy new appliances, update homes….within 3 months, and then have fun with what is left over!

Here’s another: There are approx 40 million americans over fifty, give them 1 million to quit working and retire, unemployment problem solved!!

I know, too stupid and too simple to ever work to boost the economy, better to throw good money after bad, instead of allowing us to spend it….**sigh**

RoxanneH on January 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

The One is far from powerless.

Look at the effect this is having on the stock market…and all He’s done is talk!

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 22, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Congress has got to now act as though Obama does not exist! He will be even more Hell bent on destroying this country as things progress. Congress cannot pass anything else of Obama’s that will destroy our jobs and economy which is his main goal.

patriotparty1 on January 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Hmm…if govt has helped create the situation….and govt failed correcting the situation then the obvious solution is…

MORE GOVT!

Where are the Soviet-style 5 year plans Mr Chairman?

Dick Turpin on January 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Obama: Well, if I am going down, then the banks and fat cats are going down with me.

This is going to get real ugly.

tatersalad on January 22, 2010 at 6:03 PM

But if we really want to keep the financial sector healthy, Congress has to quit conducting social engineering by warping the market with artificial incentives, especially in lending and securities.

Bravo, and well said. But to actually do that you would have to get rid of the Federal Reserve, or at least its ability to manipulate the money supply, the root cause of the boom-bust cycle.

JDPerren on January 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Let me tell you about the government and social security. I applied for SS about a year ago (several years after eligibility). I was told that I would not get paid all that I had coming, because the SS administration had lost ten years of my employment records, (and get this) most of that time I was still in the military.

Johan Klaus on January 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Apparently Gordon Brown is considering following Obama’s lead in screwing the banking system too. The West is well and truly doomed with these oafs at the helm. What’s truly depressing is that the British Conservative Party has already said they’ll do it.

Sharke on January 22, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Here’s a reform proposal for Obama:

Reform your golf swing. On an island. For the next 3 years.

…….before you dash all hope of a recovery and any chance of homeland security.

Go play, Barry. Go effing play.

nico on January 22, 2010 at 7:03 PM

But if we really want to keep the financial sector healthy, Congress has to quit conducting social engineering by warping the market with artificial incentives, especially in lending and securities. None of this would have happened had Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac not started a housing bubble by buying and then securitizing trillions in bad debt, pushed by Congress to entice lenders to make risky loans, and then not paying attention to the secondary derivative markets that created. Legislation that bars the government from the lending markets in any other role than normal regulation would go a long way towards building investor confidence and economic strength.

Obama, Franks, Waters, LLC — destroyers of the nation’s economy!

unclesmrgol on January 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM

The banks paid back the money already, with INTEREST. This is just a new tax.

Bozo is lying and destroying the economy.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

I understood he shook them down for a lot more. Made it hard to buy their way off the hook.

No, the SCOTUS ruling yesterday will help banks line up big advertising dollars for ads that go for any warm body that will run against the tyranny. Madison avenue will win.

seven on January 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM

BLOOMBERG?…….MEGA LIAR!!!!

This clown (the one in NYC) blasting the Blessed Caliph?

Hey Bloomdoofus…..didn’t you vote for this clown (the Chicago one)?

THROW THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE…..!!!!!

PappyD61 on January 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM

He`s throwing wild punches in the dark.

ThePrez on January 22, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Johan Klaus on January 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM

You should be able to retrieve your military records. You need to contact the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO. If you served, they should have a file on you. Once you have that information, you can present it to your local S.S. office. Be patient, they take a while. I had great success in acquiring my old military records from the NPRC.

fogw on January 22, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Obama:

Must.
Blame.
Someone.

If I were in his cabinet I would feel as safe as one of Hitler’s inner circle.

Mojave Mark on January 22, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Me too. Actually I was listening to talk radio for AK and we are talking about seceding. And no I am not kidding.

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM

AK might have the best chance of success of any state, with its oil reserves, semi-hostile environment and distance from the lower 48.

Although I’d really hate to see your state squaring off alone against Russia when it finally goes back to Communism.

Dark-Star on January 22, 2010 at 9:11 PM

And you live where?

upinak on January 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Iowa

MarkTheGreat on January 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Where in Iowa? I’m in Des Moines…

lovingmyUSA on January 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Grasshopper Zero must relearn the basics of juice loans, Chicago style. I have yet to detect his code words for kneecapping. All good things come in due time.

MayorDaley on January 22, 2010 at 11:02 PM

It’s a pity that so many believe that a lack of regulation was responsible for the financial crisis…and an even bigger shame that so many conservatives fall for the same baloney.

America is anything but a laissez-faire country. The Federal Register contains over 70,000 pages of regulations. The eighties, which are commonly characterized as being the decade of deregulation, saw an increase in the register of an additional 10,000 pages.

The knee jerk reaction to the financial crisis, even among many conservatives, was to blame “greed” and a lack of government control. What such people are saying is that freedom is to blame. You can say “ah, but yes, but…” until you’re blue in the face, but if you’re pro-regulation then you’re anti-freedom. It’s as simple as that, it really is.

Take the crash. Did anyone part with their money with a gun to their head? Did anyone break a legal contract? No? Well then, nobody did anything worth expanding government control for.

Bankers, traders, investors – everyone’s greedy in the financial world. I guess if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be in finance. Greed – the desire for more – is what makes the financial world tick. Hell, it’s what makes civilization tick. Without greed, man would have been content to live in mud huts and suck termites out of the ground with a straw. The same goes for risk.

Of course, greed and risk can cause catastrophe. But given that rational (i.e. Westernized) humans are generally predisposed to avoid catastrophe wherever possible, we can assume that nobody involved in the financial meltdown did it on purpose. They took risks, motivated by greed, that turned out to be miscalculated.

Since “risk motivated by greed” is also the driving force behind human progress, it seems a little stupid to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Surely there must be some way of harnessing the good risk while protecting against the bad.

There is: leave people be to trade freely. That also means, of course, allowing them to suffer the consequences when they make bad decisions. Government interference distorts everything. First of all, the Fed distorts the economic information from which people make supposedly “reasoned” decisions. It does this by screwing with the money supply and interest rates. In a free market in which these things are decided by the accumulated choices of free individuals, they provide essential information which help people make good financial decisions and determine the most efficient flow of capital. When the Fed manipulates this information artificially and creates a false illusion of prosperity, then people – motivated by self interest in keeping with their nature – will make bad decisions and take misinformed risks. As much as I think Ron Paul is an outright Loony Tunes for his deranged stance on national defense, he’s right about the Fed. It’s been the root cause of every financial crisis since – and including – the 1929 crash and it’s about time it was seen for what it really is: a fascistic institution which is harming America and the rest of the world and should be abolished.

Of course the state also screws the natural state of things when it offers to bail out those who have made bad decisions. They won’t feel so inclined to calculate their risks more conservatively in the future when they know that the state considers them too big to fail.

Of course this doesn’t even touch on the rest of it…the state’s interference in the housing market, forcing banks to underwrite bad loans to people who should have never taken out a mortgage in a million years, etc etc.

The government is the problem, folks. Always has been and always will be until people realize that its only proper role is to protect us from outside attack, make sure that nobody abrogates anyone’s rights and to ensure that contracts between humans are honored. The real power of America is in the hands of its free citizens. Allowing the government to force more regulation on the banks does not solve the problem, it just papers over a problem which is caused by the government in the first place. And once that bogus “fix” leads to more problems, the statists among us will declare that more government control is the solution…and so forth. The only logical conclusion is Marxism or fascism and indeed that’s where the statists of the left are steering us right now. It’s just a shame that so many conservatives are aiding and abetting this atrocity just because they have the same knee-jerk tendency to blame greed and declare that the state must “do something” to regulate it.

Sharke on January 22, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Obowma to the banks:

I’m not punishing your success, I’m just taxing you more so the great handout from my governments regulation and control can graciously donate the financial support to my potential voters….what is left of them.

dthorny on January 22, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Circa 1933 Glass-Steagel was enacted and WWII ended the great depression. 1999 Glas-steagel was stripped of it’s teeth at the request of Bernanke who is at that time at Goldman Sachs. That’s the facts. We go 66 years without a banking crisis with Glass-steagel, but after it’s stripped it takes us less than a decade to be on the brink of total economic destruction. You want to find out the skinny on these new rules, then this is a good site.

DFCtomm on January 23, 2010 at 2:47 AM

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