Ron Paul: The CIA conducted a coup in the US

posted at 1:25 pm on January 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

I remember well during 2007 getting tons of pushback every time I would criticize Ron Paul for his loopy statements on foreign policy or his years of playing footsie with white supremacists while marketing his newsletter. Paul makes good sense often on economics and the intrusiveness of government, but he’s essentially a conspiracy theorist whose presence in Congress is much more problematic than beneficial for conservatives and the GOP, with whom he’s nominally associated. Basically, if you think of Paul as our Dennis Kucinich, then it makes it much easier to understand the following hysterical rant captured at a January 15th appearance in Atlanta at the Campaign for Liberty conference and posted at Weasel Zippers, who provides the transcript:

There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established after World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA.

“Take out”? Isn’t Paul a member of Congress? Has he introduced any legislation to stop CIA funding, or demanded any hearings? After all, those are actions that Congress can take short of annihilation. I think the military would laugh at the notion that they take orders from the CIA. They take orders from the President and are accountable to Congress. We know this, because we’re rational adults and not conspiracy theorists.

The only coup that has been conducted is the one that took out Paul’s sense of rationality and judgment years ago. Maybe a primary challenge would be a good idea in Paul’s district.

Update: Good news — there already is a primary challenge in Paul’s district, by Tim Graney:

We need expanded nuclear energy use, additional drilling and continued research into non-petroleum based transportation fuels. We need to reduce the burden of regulation and over-taxation on businesses in the U.S. so we can compete with other nations in this global economy and keep more jobs here in America. American values are something special, but over the years as we continue to tolerate more and different value systems, we almost have become intolerant of where we came from. Toleration is a two-way street and it is time for assimilation to be traveling back on the other side of that road. Assimilation does not mean losing our diverse cultural identities, but it does mean immigrants should absorb some of the very values and traditions that attract immigrants from around the world to the American dream.

There are other major issues that need to be addressed, most notably health care and education.  We did not end up with excess government overnight, it has taken decades to get where we are and it will take years to unwind the amount of government in our lives.  By working together on the issues that are important to all Americans, we can begin this process of restoring the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness our Founding Fathers envisioned for all of us.

Sounds like Ron Paul without the crazy.  I’m going to have to get Graney on my show — very, very soon.


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The problem with Paul is half his brain works just fine the other half is just plain jello.The problem is his jello side always shows up on TV.

thmcbb on January 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Because we were getting close to Economic collapse and hadn’t the stomach to go to war with Stalin, nevermind how could FDR get the American People to agree to 4 more years of war after we had already fought 4 bloody years against Japan and Germany. Perhaps afterword we should’ve gone into Red China after Mao. Yeah, damned good idea there Butch.

Holger on January 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Jeeeze, paranoid much?

4shoes on January 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

You cannot even talk about the American Rev.olution on Hotair without having to wait for your comments to go through moderation and not be read when they finally do make it through 2 hours later.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Maybe its the spelling.
I just posted a comment that had the words American Revolution in it, and it didn’t get blocked.

Itchee Dryback on January 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Because we were getting close to Economic collapse and hadn’t the stomach to go to war with Stalin, nevermind how could FDR get the American People to agree to 4 more years of war after we had already fought 4 bloody years against Japan and Germany. Perhaps afterword we should’ve gone into Red China after Mao. Yeah, damned good idea there Butch.

Holger on January 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Wouldn’t fighting Stalin make us evil warmongers, trying to disrupt his collectivist utopia out of spite?

Good Solid B-Plus on January 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM

coup coup…. very witty! Not reading Paul’s latest rant though… nice man… time to retire.

petunia on January 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Who sold out the Eastern European peoples to Stalin? Great job I may add.

who ?

runner on January 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

FDR

Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Aaah yes, the chant of every 9/11 conspiracy nut, anti vaccination kook and chemtrail chaser. Here’s some truth:

Paranoid personality disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others.

Those with the condition are hypersensitive, are easily slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions to validate their prejudicial ideas or biases. They tend to be guarded and suspicious and have quite constricted emotional lives. Their incapacity for meaningful emotional involvement and the general pattern of isolated withdrawal often lend a quality of schizoid isolation to their life experience.

It is a medical milady that basically describes everyone one of Ron Pauls parakeets I have ever met. People like Ron Paul, Alex Jones and Jesse (he never was a SEAL damn it) Ventura exploit it to get rich off the sick.

The people who are devoted to this nonsense should be treated with pity or contempt depending on their level of obnoxiousness.

Ad hominem attacks and lackluster psychological analysis is not going to erase the CIA’s highly questionable resume. It’s actually a matter of public record, if you were willing to actually challenge your own rosy notions of the CIA. With that said, not everyone who is employed by the CIA is the devil incarnate. It’s like anything. There are going to be bad actors who set up camp in the organization and use it to achieve their goals.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Have you e-mailed AP, MM or Ed to ask why they flagged those words? They could obviously give you a better explanation than I could,

I know why they are doing it. Political correctness. The same sort of political correctness that caued this site to go bonkers when O’Reilly put the “Hussein” comment up and a guy who calls himself “allahpundit” was embarrassed that someone on this site had used The Precedent’s actual name, which happens to be a muslim name.

but I hardly believe it’s for the cause of heavy-handed censorship as Thacker would have us believe.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I can’t think of any other reason for it. ANd the forced moderation causes more problems with all the comments that get cued up and people re-entering the same basic comment over and over, trying to get it through while not knowing what’s stopping it.

Look, I like this site, but it is PC-central, these days.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Yeah, Paul is so crazy, the majority of military worker donations were sent to him in the 2008 primary. What a bunch of idiots huh?

The Calibur on January 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I’m sure the Hundreds of Millions of Dollars of Earmarks he’s gotten for the Army Corps of Engineers and others has nothing to do with that.

Paul is a hypocrite. He’s the Republican’s #1 earmark generator. He adds million and millions of dollars to bills he knows will pass, but then votes against it on “principle” or whatever.

He’s just another political hack with an agenda. Most of them are.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I got moderated for the word b!tching without the punctuation.

Cindy Munford on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Yeah, Paul is so crazy, the majority of military worker donations were sent to him in the 2008 primary. What a bunch of idiots huh?

The Calibur on January 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM

“To see two anti-war candidates getting more money from the people fighting the war or providing support for the war effort was surprising to us,” said Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics.

However, the donations cannot be considered representative of military employees’ political preferences as a whole because the analysis does not include donations of less than $200, the point at which campaign finance law requires campaigns to disclose the name of a donor and contribution amount. Thus, individuals who give less than $200 aren’t counted.

courtesy airforcetimes.com

You gotta read the fine print.

kingsjester on January 21, 2010 at 2:35 PM

, the majority of military worker donations were sent to him in the 2008 primary. What a bunch of idiots huh?

The Calibur on January 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM

What does that mean?..that the majority of all military workers supported Paul, or the majority of pauls $350. of contributions?

Itchee Dryback on January 21, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Because we were getting close to Economic collapse and hadn’t the stomach to go to war with Stalin, nevermind how could FDR get the American People to agree to 4 more years of war after we had already fought 4 bloody years against Japan and Germany. Perhaps afterword we should’ve gone into Red China after Mao. Yeah, damned good idea there Butch.

Holger on January 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I’ve heard that FDR agreed to give eastern Europe over to Stalin very early after US involvement. Basically, that was always the plan.

Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Someone’s taking down all the names of the Ronulans on this thread, right?

Mew

(there, that ought to tickle their paranoia centers …)

acat on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

[Comment deleted, user warned.]

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I’m going to have to get Graney on my show — very, very soon.

How cute. See? I have a webcam. I’m important. More important than a doctor who became a Representative to fight against wasteful government spending.

Good luck beating a guy with HUGE local support even though (gasp) you don’t like him.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Yeah, Paul is so crazy, the majority of military worker donations were sent to him in the 2008 primary. What a bunch of idiots huh

?

QFT. Paul solicited more donations from the military than any other candiate. Even the military has caught onto the fact that these ill-advised campaigns are a waste of time and money.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Someone’s taking down all the names of the Ronulans on this thread, right?

Mew

(there, that ought to tickle their paranoia centers …)

acat on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM
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The comments moderation filter is building the database as we speak.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

That’s a nice way of putting it :)

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

All this time I thought it was a bug in the software. Every once in a while I post something and it just plain disappears into the ether. Never shows up — and my views are pretty middle-of-the-road. Oh well. Live and learn.

unclesmrgol on January 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Yes, you can type anything you want with asterisks littered through every word.

FREEDOM!

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

I can’t think of any other reason for it.
neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I’m pretty sure Allah said it was to fend off the spam bots.

Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Revolution.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Good luck beating a guy with HUGE local support even though (gasp) you don’t like him.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Coakley had huge local support.

unclesmrgol on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Wait a minute Ed, you liked Rudy too didn’t you?

By all means, you lose with as much bravado as Obama. Maybe YOU are the reverse midas touch of the GOP. Please interview as many of Paul’s opponents as possible. It’ll prove your important conservative credibility.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

It’s a conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!!!!1!11
OhioCoastie on January 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Don’t give them any of your Essence!

eeyore on January 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Haven’t seen a lot of hubris by Ed, personally. But, you’re welcome to your opinion.

(P.S.- I think you’re “this’ll probably be censored comment’s still here, FWIW.”)

cs89 on January 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Good luck beating a guy with HUGE local support even though (gasp) you don’t like him.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Such huge support that Paul really DID win all those straw polls! The CIA must have “silenced” most of them come primary days. Man, I always thought you were a nut. Know I know why.

JetBoy on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Yes, you can type anything you want with asterisks littered through every word.

FREEDOM!

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM
//

A true moderation filter will pick those up, that’s my point. There is a word list that pings matches for moderation. Who set it up is for debate, which is why if you are concerned about it, then email MM, Ed, or AP about the situation.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

It sounds about right that you guys call him a loon. After all, I imagine there is almost 100% support of both wars here.

antoniojvr on January 21, 2010 at 1:48 PM

It’s one war. And I support it.

LibTired on January 21, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I must have missed the declaration of war by congress.

nazo311 on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

. . . so is Allah pundit and a lot of atheists. What does the Catholic crap have to do with anything?

Where was it that I saw a clip of Matthews (Catholic) trying to bring up Brown’s religion (not Catholic) by saying that ‘it’s amazing that religion wasn’t an issue in this race’.

Basically Matthews was trying to get all the Catholics in Mass to not vote for Brown because he wasn’t Catholic. No, there’s no bigotry in Catholicism, they are victims.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Thack, you are so predictable — I put the bait in the trap, and *snap*!

unclesmrgol on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

With my ties to the military-industrial complex, I had the CIA de-censor all the Paulbots’ comments here. You’re welcome.

Cuffy Meigs on January 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Hey Ed, why don’t you use your altruism to knock out Rand Paul too while you are at it. Why just go after one conservative? You’ll be doing Pelosi’s work for her. You are getting more conservative by the post.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Get the net…

mojo on January 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Who set it up is for debate, which is why if you are concerned about it, then email MM, Ed, or AP about the situation.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM
I am not concerned about it. I am just explaining my thoughts on it. And we all know why it was set up. It was a reaction to Chuckles from LGF picking the “Hot Air comment of the day” (most of which were very good comments, actually) – as the words I mentioned used to be ones CHuckie would search for, for his idiotic leech threads.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Ron Paul is my representative. I voted for his challenger in the primaries, but I think he didn’t have enough name recognition to win. Once Paul wins the Republican primary, these is no other name on the ballot in the general election. I might have even voted for a Democrat just to remove Paul. Might. Maybe not. That might hurt too much. I will definitely go check out his Republican challenger though.

For what it’s worth, the part of the district that I’m in is quite normal and sane, but somewhat apolitical. Conservative, but not very attentive. I’m not sure many of them voted in the primaries at all, and if they do I’m not sure they’ve done much research about the options.

TX Mom on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

There’s going to be tons of out-of-district money funneling into this Graney campaign from AIPAC and everywhere else. We will need to step it up to counter, unfortunately.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

AIPAC

Code word alert.

Cuffy Meigs on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Ron Paul supporters are right, the brilliant idea to take out the CIA should be implemented at once.

Best Regards,
Russia, China, Iran and osama

Seriously now, it hurts to see how CIA and US administrations became such a bunch of sissies that they cannot ELIMINATE (like in kill) a murderous dictator, a terrorist or a pirate anywhere on the planet, and take the heat like they still do.

Putin killed tens of innocent journalists and nobody mess with Russia. It seems nowadays only killing bad guys is reprehensible.

Rookie on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM

I’m pretty sure Allah said it was to fend off the spam bots.

Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Spambots are never an issue with a site that has membership and logins. Spambots are problems for sites with open commenting, like Ace’s.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM

FDR

Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM

wasn’t he deceased before the end of the war? and wasn’t the red army/Stalin already in Eastern Europe by 1944 ? and how is Ron Paul involved in all of this ? was he on the Eastern Front ? I demand to know

runner on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Man, I always thought you were a nut. Know I know why.

JetBoy on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

+100

AsianGirlInTights on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

With that said, not everyone who is employed by the CIA is the devil incarnate. It’s like anything. There are going to be bad actors who set up camp in the organization and use it to achieve their goals.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I saw that episode of “Pinky & the Brain” too.

Good luck beating a guy with HUGE local support even though (gasp) you don’t like him.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Nope, most of his Donations are not from his district. The locals are his subjects. He won’t even hold a town hall. His last primary challenger, Peden, had almost no money & no recognition, came from the teeniest town in the district & STILL garnered 30% in the primary.

batterup on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

There’s going to be tons of out-of-district money funneling into this Graney campaign from AIPAC and everywhere else. We will need to step it up to counter, unfortunately.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

The Dean “I See Jooooos”

batterup on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM

The Dean wants to leave The Matrix, but AIPAC and the neocon’s are in his way

runner on January 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

The Dean wants to leave The Matrix, but AIPAC and the neocon’s are in his way

runner on January 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM
_______________________________________

I never realized how much power and control over every little aspect of global civilization The Juice has.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Ron Paul is unabashedly pro-life, a fierce defender of the Constitution and a defecit hawk to boot. So Ed and the rest of the puritans want to can him because they don’t agree with his foreign policy views? How about focusing your energies on purging the party of RINOs as opposed to an inquisitive political representative that challenges the status quo?

I can only imagine the ridicule, James Madison, the father of the constitution, would have received from the rabble, when he penned the Virginia Resolution in opposition to the Alien and Sedition Acts. I’m actually shocked that many of you call yourselves ‘freedom-loving’ conservatives, when you can’t even tolerate slighly different views from your own.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Pitchforker

Ad hominem attacks and lackluster psychological analysis is not going to erase the CIA’s highly questionable resume.

That wasn’t my objective. The objective was to call you a kook and get you to go away and reevaluate your mental state.

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Graney gets it:

Meet Tim Graney, Ron Paul’s Opponent

Our enemies across the globe, subscribing to a radical Islamic worldview, will continue to plan and attempt terror attacks on U.S. soil as long as they are alive and allowed to function. Our radical Islamic enemies are driven to attack us due to religious ideology, and it is their unflinching hatred of Western ways which fuels their actions. America did not ask for this failed terrorist attempt on Christmas Day and it is simply inaccurate to say that our actions caused this horrible act. In response to the attack, Congressman Ron Paul stated, “They’re terrorists because we’re occupiers.”

(….)

In short, Paul’s ideas on foreign policy are a danger to the safety and security of America. He is not doing his duty as a Representative; instead pushing his own ideology and ineffectively representing the people of the 14th District of Texas. We know why we are under attack and we know that we need to bring the fight to our enemies, but Ron Paul lacks this understanding and the resolve to do what is right. We deserve better than Ron Paul.

mudskipper on January 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM

New York money men are fluoridating my HotAir comments!

Cuffy Meigs on January 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

That wasn’t my objective. The objective was to call you a kook and get you to go away and reevaluate your mental state.

Back to the well for round 2? Explain to why the CIA involves itself in drug smuggling? Enlighten me out of my deranged mental state.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

How about focusing your energies on purging the party of RINOs as opposed to an inquisitive political representative that challenges the status quo?
Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Are you talking about Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura? They’re both wack-job conspiracy theorists but Jesse’s the big one with a TV show, right?

SKYFOX on January 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I’m actually shocked that many of you call yourselves ‘freedom-loving’ conservatives, when you can’t even tolerate slighly different views from your own.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I think people here tolerate different views. They’re just trying to point out that Ron Paul’s views don’t take the actual existence of the real world into account when it comes to foreign policy.

AsianGirlInTights on January 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I never realized how much power and control over every little aspect of global civilization The Juice has.

uknowmorethanme on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

they run both sides of the equation – the greedy corporate bankers and the unwashed masses, cause they are Illuminati aliens from planet Zoltan who want to take over Terra. Ron Paul has seen through their plans, thank goodness. coup, coup

runner on January 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The Conservative Case Against Ron Paul

#5) A lot of Ron Paul’s supporters are incredibly irritating: There are, without question, plenty of decent folks who support Ron Paul. However, for whatever reason, his supporters as a group are far more annoying than those of all the other candidates put together. It’s like every spammer, truther, troll, and flake on the net got together under one banner to spam polls and try to annoy everyone into voting for Ron Paul (which is, I must admit, a novel strategy).

Ha.

mudskipper on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Pitchforker

Back to the well for round 2?

No time to play with the deranged at the moment. I actually have a job.

Explain to why the CIA involves itself in drug smuggling?

They don’t, despite what you read on prison planet.

Enlighten me out of my deranged mental state.

OK, SSRI’s and cognitive behavioral therapy have shown to have some short term to mid term positive effects on paranoid personality disorder. I will admit though, that your long term prognosis isn’t all that great.

The whole world Joooos aren’t out to get you. You just aren’t that important.

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM

If Ron Paul ran the CIA, there would be new priorities indeed.

Cuffy Meigs on January 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM

http://www.graneyforcongress.com/issues/ImmigrationReform.html

Same as Hayworth:
1)Path to Citizenship
2) biometrics cards
3)denial of social services, but taxed, until citizenship requirements fulfilled
4)deportation of illegals after a “registration period” and for lawbreakers

Problems:
1)The time requirement will get watered down until it is automatic citizenship
2)Cost to the already in deep debt States/ Federal government of a new system with biometric cards, fingerprinting, deportation proceedings etc. Many of them sign up for social services right away- the Dems would say any fine imposed immediatedly on them would have to go, therefore there wouldn’t be any fine money for States to operate on.
3)Once this debate is started in Congress there will be a bigger flood of illegals to get into the US before the cutoff date. No way Dems would kick out illegals who haven’t been in country for a year, per his idea.

Isn’t there a way to encourage them to stay or go back to their homelands?

A) Billions are sent from Mexicans living in the US to family in Mexico.
-Could a tax be levied on every x dollars sent and used for:
1) microloans for starting businesses in Mexico and elsewhere
2)finding clean water sources
3)border security
4)cleaning up corruption in obtaining US citizenship
5)Deporting and/or Jailing criminals who are here illegally

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Are you talking about Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura? They’re both wack-job conspiracy theorists but Jesse’s the big one with a TV show, right?

SKYFOX on January 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Jesse has a great new series where he mutters “fire bad” as he runs away from the villagers with pitchforks and torches. (Thanks again Minnesota for giving yet another freak public office)

He was in UDT 12 by the way, which wasn’t a SEAL team. Yet he claims over and over to have been a SEAL. He never saw combat. It drives a lot of old sailors nuts to see him lying about it.

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM

1)Path to Citizenship

That is a non-starter. It is so sad. The US has gone from the Founders rejecting the idea of American dual citizens (e.g. citizenship oaths) to the federal government offering additional American citizenships to people who are already citizens of other countries, to reward them for sh!tting all over American sovereignty.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Tim Graney won’t be able to do any of the things he promises, because he doesn’t understand the underlying problem.

Ron Paul does, because he is smart. And if the author had any intelligence then they would know that Ron Paul is absolutely correct about the secrecy regarding our foreign policy and the multi-trillion dollar business interests it protects. If you don’t think that multi-trillion dollar business interests don’t have an affect on our military, then you are one naive individual.

dannno on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Pitchforker,

What is your view on the truther movement? Do you believe we have been told the truth about 9-11?

Howcome on January 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

OK, SSRI’s and cognitive behavioral therapy have shown to have some short term to mid term positive effects on paranoid personality disorder. I will admit though, that your long term prognosis isn’t all that great.

The whole world Joooos aren’t out to get you. You just aren’t that important.

Still blabbering nonsense, instead of defending the unassailable record of the CIA? The famed Family Jewels report is a byproduct of my Paranoid Personality Disorder?

Naive child, it’s easier to rationalize the illusion that a governmental entity is looking out for your best interests. You’re almost as delusional as liberals who think that their quality of life will improve with the passing of a universal health care plan. Not too keen on the words of Lord Acton, are we?

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM

PAUL/KUCINICH 2012!

Think about it: they’d be the perfect ticket for disillusioned Obama voters.

Cylor on January 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Pitchforker,

What is your view on the truther movement? Do you believe we have been told the truth about 9-11?

Howcome on January 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

In my opinion, the 9/11 commission was a dog and pony show reminscient of the cover-up schemes which epitomized the Warren Commission. With that said, it would be incredibly distasteful to promote the theory that the event was somehow an ‘inside job.’ There are legitimate lingering questions, but by the same token we haven’t had a real blockbuster lead. So I’m in the fence. I’m doubtful there was foul play, but certainly don’t rule it out. Stranger incidents have occurred.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM

We’ll have to wait until he retires before we get somebody sane in that seat. The clock is ticking…..

NathanG on January 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Stranger incidents have occurred.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM

For example…?

AsianGirlInTights on January 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM

In my opinion, the 9/11 commission was a dog and pony show reminscient of the cover-up schemes which epitomized the Warren Commission.

The 9/11 Commission was the original “reset/overloaded” button. It was an embarrassment to watch. They weren’t covering anything up. They were just incompetent clods and sell-outs.

With that said, it would be incredibly distasteful to promote the theory that the event was somehow an ‘inside job.’ There are legitimate lingering questions, but by the same token we haven’t had a real blockbuster lead. So I’m in the fence. I’m doubtful there was foul play, but certainly don’t rule it out. Stranger incidents have occurred.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM

There are no substantial lingering questions, but I have no problem with your view.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM

And unfortunately, he’s from Texas. In fact, I used to live in the congressional district directly north of his, and his daughter lives in Pearland, my former hometown. If all the non-Texan Paulites want him, they can have him. Maybe he should move back to Pennsylvania. He’d fit right in with Murtha and Specter.

NathanG on January 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM

“They weren’t covering anything up.”

Aside from the fact that Gorelick’s idiocy helped to bring it about, something the Paulfilth are advocating again now.

None of the morally and intellectually self-castrated Paulfilth ever wants to answer the magical question, “Who were we occupying in 1805?”

ebrown2 on January 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM

“They weren’t covering anything up.”

Aside from the fact that Gorelick’s idiocy helped to bring it about, something the Paulfilth are advocating again now.

But that’s my point. How could they cover that up when she was the very face of the commission for much of it. It was just ineptness and incompetence. I mean, it was really sort of funny, at times – though mostly embarrassing.

None of the morally and intellectually self-castrated Paulfilth ever wants to answer the magical question, “Who were we occupying in 1805?”

ebrown2 on January 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Cognitive dissonance is the hallmark of Paulian foreign and defense policy.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM

In my opinion, the 9/11 commission was a dog and pony show reminscient of the cover-up schemes which epitomized the Warren Commission. With that said, it would be incredibly distasteful to promote the theory that the event was somehow an ‘inside job.’

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM

In laymen’s terms, you’re a troofer.

You should consider going on Dancing with the Stars for that tap dance you just did.

Knucklehead on January 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM

He doesn’t sound like Paul at all. Zilch.

rlwo2008 on January 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Ron Paul without the half-cocked, free-association verbal diarrhea would be nice. I like Ron Paul. I wish he’d shut his pie hole sometimes, though.

spmat on January 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM

“The whole world Joooos aren’t out to get you. You just aren’t that important.”

As Sartre pointed out, Anti-Semitism is the only form of race prejudice where the persecutors openly admit the intellectual superiority of their victims.

ebrown2 on January 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM

As Sartre pointed out, Anti-Semitism is the only form of race prejudice where the persecutors openly admit the intellectual superiority of their victims.

ebrown2 on January 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I think that’s also often true in cases of prejudice against Asians ;)

AsianGirlInTights on January 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Frank Church with a big slice of Kucinich from our ever nutty Ron Paul. AP – you and I have always been in agreement about the Paul. Interesting domestic/fiscal ideas mixed with suicidal military/intelligence/and foreign diplomacy whack job emanations.

chicagojedi on January 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM

There are no substantial lingering questions, but I have no problem with your view.

I respectfully disagree. We still have not recovered the black boxes, and it’s not like we’re talking about retrieving them from the depths of the Mariana Trench. Secondly, the treachery surrounding ABLE DANGER was never put to rest. The asssitant attorney general had the 9/11 hijackers fingered. Thirdly, why didn’t the F-18s conducting a training exercise, an hour away in Northern Virginia intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon? Why the delay? I believe these to be fair, legitimate questions detached from the shrill cries of the truth-seekers.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM

My Mom’s side of the family lives in the 14th District. Ron Paul used to be my Representative before he became cuckoo and postulated withdrawal from the world at large and a neglectful foreign policy. He is semi lucid on domestic politics and definitely has fans when it comes to saving our money. He is correct on most of those things.

But he has become a conspiracy theorist and a lunatic ever since he got the bright idea to run for President. The folks in Lake Jackson, Freeport, Bay City, etc… are all good conservative folks, but poor folks at the same time. They are willing to overlook the crazy uncle they’ve got when he brings home some of the bacon and doesn’t try actively to get them hurt. If there were a good doemstically conservative (fiscal conservative, no body gives too darn much about social conservative values even though we are all Christians. It is live and let live here) with some decent ideas and strong national security values, he’d probably be able to beat Mr. Paul. But he has to have money to fix this crazy ass uncle of ours, and we don’t have that many folks who have the money, despite being Houston’s distant suburb.

Bottom line: We put up with the idiot because we have few choices to live with. Only the good Lord knows why no one else will challenge him. Maybe it is because we truly are too busy trying to eke out a living in a very poor part of Texas to be able to fix his ass or kick him out.

TXMom has it correct.

As for his most vocal supporters. this is the only time that district gets attention, so they are willing to get any press, even loony press. And his most rabid supporters are idiots and conspiracy theorists because they get someone important to lend even a shred of credence to their wildly stupid and insane theories and get them attention and put on TV. They, too, are lunatics. To put it mildly.

And I’m talking about my cousins and neighbors now.

I should know. I still love them all. I just don’t listen to them when the loony light goes off.

Subsunk

Subsunk on January 21, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I respectfully disagree. We still have not recovered the black boxes, and it’s not like we’re talking about retrieving them from the depths of the Mariana Trench. Secondly, the treachery surrounding ABLE DANGER was never put to rest. The asssitant attorney general had the 9/11 hijackers fingered. Thirdly, why didn’t the F-18s conducting a training exercise, an hour away in Northern Virginia intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon? Why the delay? I believe these to be fair, legitimate questions detached from the shrill cries of the truth-seekers.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM

I rest my case.

The loony light is in overdrive.

Subsunk

Subsunk on January 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Oh, Dear Lord. Quick. Grab the nets.

kingsjester on January 21, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Some of this is amusing and some not so much. Back here in Washington State the ronulans got pretty close to taking over the 2008 Republican state convention. They were highly organized (using walktie talkies and so on) and hey if they pulled it off, hard to argue with except for one little thing, they did not, in any way, reflect the opinion of the majority of conservatives in that state, they just managed to railroad through on the precinct level.

It was both scary and interesting to watch them work as they nominated each other to become precinct then county reps. A lot of us were doing this for the first time and didn’t realize what was going on at first. Wild stuff.

WitchDoctor on January 21, 2010 at 4:08 PM

I rest my case.

The loony light is in overdrive.

Subsunk

That’s all fine and dandy. You are free to label me a loon and I can reciprocate that you are being naive and too trusting of entity that has mastered the art of lying to us. But you still haven’t addressed my questions. Where are the indestructible black boxes from the two planss that struck the WTC? Why didn’t Gorelick and that rest of the intelligence community apprehend Atta and the rest of his goons, when it’s it was clearly evident that they weren’t interested in becoming recreational aviators? And lastly, why didn’t they redirect those F-18s that were in the air to protect the Pentagon? After all, it was only the Pentagon.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM

The bulk of those issues were due to political correctness. Bush was a very PC guy, and even so, the dems are suicidally PC.

As to why planes weren’t just shot down, come on. This government had moved so far towards politically correcting the utility out of our defense structures and procedures that this was a situation that went far outside of what the modern system had been built to handle. That’s just how it is, the same way that no airlines had any locking protocol for its cockpit doors, except for El Al. People just fell into an illusion of a threatless world after the fall of the USSR. That was very obvious from when it happened – for those of us of that age.

I don’t care if people ask those questions, but I don’t see a problem with any of them, or anything surprising.

And the same sort of white-guilt driven PC that caused these issues and problems is what brought us The Precedent (after being shocked into a psychotic state by the credit crisis).

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM

WitchDoctor on January 21, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Where are you in WA?

AsianGirlInTights on January 21, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Now I’m sick and damn tired of hearing and reading this kind of crap from Paultards.

There is a distinct difference between military people who are genuinely “against these wars” and those who may be or are/were disgusted with the way they were being handled.

Anyone with a bit of sense wouldn’t want to fight any war with one hand tied behind their back and I submit that is what the general feeling of disagreement was about – not having to fight the war, being anti-war, or any other such nonsense.

Stop characterizing military donations as a bellweather. They weren’t as Herr Doktors subsequent primary performance and later, the election, demonstrated..

catmman on January 21, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Reality Checker, The Dean, Pitchforker, ThackerAgency,

Be careful Hotair is a front for the Zionist, atheist, reptilian shape shifting, CIA. Hurry up and get out of your parent’s basements before the Israeli mercs show up with their mind rays.

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 4:17 PM

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

OH NOOOOOSSS!!!!

IT’S THE EVIL TEH JUICE!!!!

I KNEW IT!!!!

*why is this anti-semite still allowed here?*

catmman on January 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM

I’m actually shocked that many of you call yourselves ‘freedom-loving’ conservatives, when you can’t even tolerate slighly different views from your own.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Take out the CIA.

Slightly different views.

Hmmmm…. define “Slightly” for me, would you please?

cs89 on January 21, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Now I’m sick and damn tired of hearing and reading this kind of crap from Paultards.

There is a distinct difference between military people who are genuinely “against these wars” and those who may be or are/were disgusted with the way they were being handled.

Anyone with a bit of sense wouldn’t want to fight any war with one hand tied behind their back and I submit that is what the general feeling of disagreement was about – not having to fight the war, being anti-war, or any other such nonsense.

Stop characterizing military donations as a bellweather. They weren’t as Herr Doktors subsequent primary performance and later, the election, demonstrated..

catmman on January 21, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Have you ever arrived at the realization that the strident ROE placed on our military are implemented to prolong the actual conflicts? It happened in Vietnam routinely. Our military surrendered key strategic points, thanks to ridiculous ammunition quotas and other bureaucratic intervention. Key targets in Haiphiong Harbor and Hanoi were deemed off limits as well. After awhile, the military starts to understand that they’re being played as pawns.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

cs89 on January 21, 2010 at 4:26 PM

The man is nuts.

Terrye on January 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM

After awhile, the military starts to understand that they’re being played as pawns.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM

How can we help them escape the Martix faster? Or are the Juice too powerful?

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Pitchforker:

Oh please, to hear Paul tell it our military is the enemy, the occupier.

The man is an anti semitic loon who has associated himself with neo nazis and Truthers and God knows what else.

Terrye on January 21, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Take out the CIA.

Slightly different views.

Hmmmm…. define “Slightly” for me, would you please?

cs89 on January 21, 2010 at 4:20 PM

We both believe in the concepts of capitalism & free enterprise.

We oppose centralized planning.

We abhor the welfare state, including both it’s social and corporate recipients.

We view infanticide as barbaric and a nullification of liberty.

We both believe that the rule of law is the critical element towards the preservation of the republic.

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Have you ever arrived at the realization that the strident ROE placed on our military are implemented to prolong the actual conflicts?

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM

That is the effect, not the intention. Our restrictive ROE comes by way of Truman, to start, who decided with Korea that the US was no longer interested in having victory as the strategic goal of US military action, but just “not to lose”. We followed a dual track in this, in that we ignored it completely for our strategic nuclear arsenal and policy of Mutually Assured Destruction, but started making it more rigid on the ground.

The reason was not to prolong conflicts, but to alleviate illusory white guilt, the cost of which was prolonged and lost wars.

Once the Soviets fell in 1991, many people fell under the silly assumption that we no longer had a strategic nuclear arsenal at the ready and Mututally Assured Destruction as the continuing policy – in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, which no one ever took seriously until the blossoming of this post-Soviet threatless delusion, and which no one with a brain thinks should be taken seriously in any sphere – since treaties are not a la carte menus that nations can pick and choose from and everyone violates Geneva whenever it needs to, and many just for fun.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 4:36 PM

As Sartre pointed out, Anti-Semitism is the only form of race prejudice where the persecutors openly admit the intellectual superiority of their victims.

ebrown2 on January 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Seeing as there are about 24 million Jews who are blamed for starting all the wars, causing every economic collapse, making 1.3 billion muslims look bad, etc, etc you really have got to hand it to them: The Jooos are pretty bad ass multi-taskers.
One wonders when they have time to eat, go to the bathroom or sleep.

Or do they?????

;-)

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Pitchforker on January 21, 2010 at 4:25 PM

My following comments are certified 100% Juice Free:

Like I said, you are still mischaracterizing the difference between feeling like your being “played like a pawn” and being against the/any war.

The big difference between now and your Vietnam example is – the soldiers of Vietnam had no choice due to the draft. Now it’s an all volunteer military. If one doesn’t wish to be “played as a pawn”, then don’t join.

catmman on January 21, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Still blabbering nonsense, instead of defending the unassailable record of the CIA? The famed Family Jewels report is a byproduct of my Paranoid Personality Disorder?

Naive child, it’s easier to rationalize the illusion that a governmental entity is looking out for your best interests. You’re almost as delusional as liberals who think that their quality of life will improve with the passing of a universal health care plan. Not too keen on the words of Lord Acton, are we?

Pitchforker

Gee, good thing that rambling diatribe refuted the whole paranoid personality disorder theory.

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I tell you, it’s all the fault of the Jooooooos!

OhioCoastie on January 21, 2010 at 4:53 PM

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