Ron Paul: The CIA conducted a coup in the US

posted at 1:25 pm on January 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

I remember well during 2007 getting tons of pushback every time I would criticize Ron Paul for his loopy statements on foreign policy or his years of playing footsie with white supremacists while marketing his newsletter. Paul makes good sense often on economics and the intrusiveness of government, but he’s essentially a conspiracy theorist whose presence in Congress is much more problematic than beneficial for conservatives and the GOP, with whom he’s nominally associated. Basically, if you think of Paul as our Dennis Kucinich, then it makes it much easier to understand the following hysterical rant captured at a January 15th appearance in Atlanta at the Campaign for Liberty conference and posted at Weasel Zippers, who provides the transcript:

There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established after World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA.

“Take out”? Isn’t Paul a member of Congress? Has he introduced any legislation to stop CIA funding, or demanded any hearings? After all, those are actions that Congress can take short of annihilation. I think the military would laugh at the notion that they take orders from the CIA. They take orders from the President and are accountable to Congress. We know this, because we’re rational adults and not conspiracy theorists.

The only coup that has been conducted is the one that took out Paul’s sense of rationality and judgment years ago. Maybe a primary challenge would be a good idea in Paul’s district.

Update: Good news — there already is a primary challenge in Paul’s district, by Tim Graney:

We need expanded nuclear energy use, additional drilling and continued research into non-petroleum based transportation fuels. We need to reduce the burden of regulation and over-taxation on businesses in the U.S. so we can compete with other nations in this global economy and keep more jobs here in America. American values are something special, but over the years as we continue to tolerate more and different value systems, we almost have become intolerant of where we came from. Toleration is a two-way street and it is time for assimilation to be traveling back on the other side of that road. Assimilation does not mean losing our diverse cultural identities, but it does mean immigrants should absorb some of the very values and traditions that attract immigrants from around the world to the American dream.

There are other major issues that need to be addressed, most notably health care and education.  We did not end up with excess government overnight, it has taken decades to get where we are and it will take years to unwind the amount of government in our lives.  By working together on the issues that are important to all Americans, we can begin this process of restoring the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness our Founding Fathers envisioned for all of us.

Sounds like Ron Paul without the crazy.  I’m going to have to get Graney on my show — very, very soon.


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Man it’s a shame this guy has some loose screws. He’s right in a lot of areas but he ‘s also a flaming nut in others.
Could be taken more serious if he would just drop the goofball crap.

Hummer53 on January 21, 2010 at 4:53 PM

The truth is we can’t afford Ron Paul’s isolationism. It’s not 1776. Islamic extremists will eventually get their hands on someones nuclear arsenal. It might be Iran’s, Pakistan’s or even France’s or the U.K.’s, but it is going to happen unless we stop it, and we’ll be the second target after Israel. We might even be the first target if they think we are the larger threat and if we can be neutralized then Israel can be taken at their leisure.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Be careful Hotair is a front for the Zionist, atheist, reptilian shape shifting, CIA. Hurry up and get out of your parent’s basements before the Israeli mercs show up with their mind rays.

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 4:17 PM

I know a guy who can get tin-foil…..below wholesale.

BobMbx on January 21, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I know a guy who can get tin-foil…..below wholesale.

BobMbx on January 21, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Did I really need a sarc tag? Really?

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM

The truth is we can’t afford Ron Paul’s isolationism. It’s not 1776. Islamic extremists will eventually get their hands on someones nuclear arsenal. It might be Iran’s, Pakistan’s or even France’s or the U.K.’s, but it is going to happen unless we stop it, and we’ll be the second target after Israel. We might even be the first target if they think we are the larger threat and if we can be neutralized then Israel can be taken at their leisure.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Of course, the reason they think we’re a threat is because we have a massive military presence over there. If we pulled out, then they wouldn’t attack us. If they don’t perceive us as a threat, then we are much safer from the extremists. We’re over there basically for Israel, when that country should be taking care of its own business.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

If we pulled out…

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

You are aware that the pullout method isn’t 100% effective.

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The Dean has great plans for the country but Israel is in his way. Poor The Dean.

runner on January 21, 2010 at 5:06 PM

If we pulled out, then they wouldn’t attack us.

LOL. This is called, “The Ostrich Strategy”. You don’t know much about human nature, and even less about the arab/persian/muslim world.

If they don’t perceive us as a threat, then we are much safer from the extremists. We’re over there basically for Israel, when that country should be taking care of its own business.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Actually, “Israel is over there for us” would be closer to the truth. Either way, with Israel or without Israel, the arab/persian/muslim world is what it is and they are a threat to Western civilization as they have been throughout all of recorded history, even before the advent of islam, since much of their behavior is deeply cultural.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Why don’t they attack Switzerland rarely if ever? Maybe it’s because the Swiss army doesn’t get in their business. Simple as that.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Why don’t they attack Switzerland rarely if ever? Maybe it’s because the Swiss army doesn’t get in their business. Simple as that.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:11 PM

LOL. I love that.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I like this. It’s like how Bush was supposedly smart enough to engineer 9/11 and convince Congress to authorize an “illegal” war, yet is dumber than a chimpanzee. Please nutcases, either they are diabolically smart or stupid as all get out. Choose one!

Rightwingguy on January 21, 2010 at 5:16 PM

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Me too, because it really puts things into perspective.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Of course, the reason they think we’re a threat is because we have a massive military presence over there. If we pulled out, then they wouldn’t attack us. If they don’t perceive us as a threat, then we are much safer from the extremists. We’re over there basically for Israel, when that country should be taking care of its own business.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Many terrorist attacks occurred before we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

The first trade center bombing
USS Cole
9/11

I’m not happy with Iraq and Afghanistan since I don’t believe we will ever be able to change their minds. We can’t do that for them only they can. Arguing that our presence in the ME is the reason why we are targeted is naive. Read Jihadwatch and you might change your opinion.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Me too, because it really puts things into perspective.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:16 PM

It certainly does.

Dude …

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Why don’t they attack Switzerland rarely if ever? Maybe it’s because the Swiss army doesn’t get in their business. Simple as that.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:11 PM

All of Europe is under attack from Islam, it’s just a different kind of attack.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are one.

faol on January 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Read Jihadwatch and you might change your opinion.

he prefers “My Struggle”

runner on January 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Actually, “Israel is over there for us” would be closer to the truth. Either way, with Israel or without Israel, the arab/persian/muslim world is what it is and they are a threat to Western civilization as they have been throughout all of recorded history, even before the advent of islam, since much of their behavior is deeply cultural.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I wouldn’t say they are over there for us. They asked for that land, and even committed acts of terror themselves when England restricted their immigration into the area before WWII. They should of just been happy with Florida.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM

How cute. See? I have a webcam. I’m important. More important than a doctor who became a Representative to fight against wasteful government spending.

Good luck beating a guy with HUGE local support even though (gasp) you don’t like him.

ThackerAgency on January 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Leonard McCoy at least knew his limits.

unclesmrgol on January 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM

I wouldn’t say they are over there for us.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM

I only meant that in the sense that, if someone was going to frame Israel’s existence in that light, that would be the more accurate description. Israel bought most of its land, outright, and forged the nation by force of arms (as all nations are forged) in ’48 with a victory that was nothing short of a true miracle. Israel is one of the few countries that only exists as long as it defends itself – and it has come perilously close to losing that, as in ’73, and as is about to happen with the Iran situation.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I only meant that in the sense that, if someone was going to frame Israel’s existence in that light, that would be the more accurate description. Israel bought most of its land, outright, and forged the nation by force of arms (as all nations are forged) in ‘48 with a victory that was nothing short of a true miracle. Israel is one of the few countries that only exists as long as it defends itself – and it has come perilously close to losing that, as in ‘73, and as is about to happen with the Iran situation.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:31 PM

See they would have been much more comfortable in Florida.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM

sounds like you would prefer “My Struggle” too

runner on January 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM

See they would have been much more comfortable in Florida.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM

I’m not sure what you mean. They never had a choice to go to Florida. The US wouldn’t accept many Jews in the aftermath of WWII. And Zionism had started back in the late 19th century while the Ottomans were still running the area – though, there has always been Jewish presence there.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:40 PM

sounds like you would prefer “My Struggle” too

runner on January 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Because I’m making a joke about the Yentas being better off laying around the pool in Miami than dodging homemade rockets in Tel Aviv? Lighten up. Or…..do you mean that because I mentioned the Jewish adventure into terrorland that happened before WWII? What happened happened, and most everybody involved has now passed away. I’m not Jewish, Catholic or liberal so I’m not big on the guild.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM

I’m not sure what you mean. They never had a choice to go to Florida. The US wouldn’t accept many Jews in the aftermath of WWII. And Zionism had started back in the late 19th century while the Ottomans were still running the area – though, there has always been Jewish presence there.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:40 PM

I know, I know. The Florida thing was a joke, but apparently a bad one.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Arguing with people who refuse to study actual history instead of invented history is a waste of time. If they choose to believe that no one will kill us if only we ignore them (worked out real well for 3,000+ on 9/11/01, didn’t it?), nothing but personal consequences will convince them otherwise, and I wouldn’t wish that even on the idiots.

Good luck with that.

Animator Girl on January 21, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Why don’t they attack Switzerland rarely if ever? Maybe it’s because the Swiss army doesn’t get in their business. Simple as that.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:11 PM

They don’t attack Switzerland because the Swiss remember Henri Guisan’s reply to a German officer’s query regarding his country’s mobilization capabilities.

General Guisan proudly said that he could put a million troops in the field within 24 hours. “And what would happen if I marched 5 million troops in here tomorrow,” he was asked – to which he replied,

“Each of my men will fire 5 shots and go home.”

Guisan replied “My men would each fire five shots and go home.”

warbaby on January 21, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Oops – preview is your friend. Dagnabbit.

warbaby on January 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Sorry. But it was tough to tell with what the Dean was posting :)

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Coup coup.

Coup coup?

This guy even gives wooden birds in clocks a bad name.

Speakup on January 21, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Who was involved in the destruction of WTC 7 on 911? No jet hit the building yet a 47 storie building crumbled to the ground at free fall speed through the path of most resistance? Really? Please…without changing the laws of physics explain this to me, and then once you cannot, tell me who was involved? Was it the janitor? For those of you willing to confront evil (not easy for most of us) go to AE911Truth.org and educate yourself. There you will find facts written by those with no agenda and there are 1,000 licenced Arcithects and Engineers who have signed on to expose the truth. Who did this…we do not yet know we do however know that this did not just happen. I think our enemys abroad are nothing compared to our enemys within. For those unwilling to explore the truth realize that the MSM has done well controlling you for those willing to observe welcome to the world outside the Matrix.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Reality Checker on January 21, 2010 at 6:42 PM

We don’t need a secret police. It’s just another government agency we don’t need only this one is violent and tortures.

Spathi on January 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Who was involved in the destruction of WTC 7 on 911? No jet hit the building yet a 47 storie building crumbled to the ground at free fall speed through the path of most resistance? Really? Please…without changing the laws of physics explain this to me, and then once you cannot, tell me who was involved? Was it the janitor? For those of you willing to confront evil (not easy for most of us) go to AE911Truth.org and educate yourself. There you will find facts written by those with no agenda and there are 1,000 licenced Arcithects and Engineers who have signed on to expose the truth. Who did this…we do not yet know we do however know that this did not just happen. I think our enemys abroad are nothing compared to our enemys within. For those unwilling to explore the truth realize that the MSM has done well controlling you for those willing to observe welcome to the world outside the Matrix.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Reality Checker on January 21, 2010 at 6:42 PM

When presenting a conspiracy theory you should avoid all references to the Matrix movie. It’s not a winning combo Neo.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Of course, the reason they think we’re a threat is because we have a massive military presence over there. If we pulled out, then they wouldn’t attack us. If they don’t perceive us as a threat, then we are much safer from the extremists. We’re over there basically for Israel, when that country should be taking care of its own business.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

There are legitimate moral issues, strategic implications, and most importantly economic interests that require us protecting the aforementioned… militarily, if necessary. And in case some are in the dark about the stability and history of that region, it is absolutely necessary. This is sound, realistic, and responsible planning on any nation who deals within the boundaries of reason.

The problem with the quoted type of thinking is that it is condemning rationality while justifying irrationality. In doing so, a logical question for you would be: At what point does that enter your deduction as a threat from the irrational?

An assault on reason cannot justify placating the wishes and whims of the unreasonable.

anuts on January 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Ron Paul is coo coo!

MCGIRV on January 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Paul makes good sense often on economics and the intrusiveness of government

You are far far too kind Ed.

The Dean on January 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Just stop. Go, spend a couple years reading about history, the world, other cultures, and human nature and then you’ll be in a position to discuss it. Then of course folks like DFTcomm, neurosculptor, anuts, and myself could just write +1 or some such instead of having to correct you (well if I bothered to).

jarodea on January 21, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Reality Checker on January 21, 2010 at 6:42 PM

Fire can’t melt steel!!!! Cellphones don’t work in the sky!!!1!! The Jooos are making my penis smaller by fluoridating the water!!!!!1!! Ron Paul is the only man who can save my penis!!!!1

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Reality Checker on January 21, 2010 at 6:42 PM

I wonder if some future version of Oliver Stone will someday make a 9/11 troof movie ala JFK.

How long does stupid last?

SCBradley on January 21, 2010 at 9:28 PM

For those unwilling to explore the truth realize that the MSM has done well controlling you for those willing to observe welcome to the world outside the Matrix.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Reality Checker

God I loathe idiot troofers.

Boxy_Brown on January 21, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Interesting condescension from Allahpundit. So Allah, you know exactly what the CIA does? You know Ron Paul is wrong? The fact is that they are an organization that operates above any law on this planet. A small plane registered to the CIA crashed entering this country with millions of dollars of cocaine on board. But you knew that right? They are protecting poppie fields in Afghanistan right now. You knew that too huh?

Drop your sarcastic tone and realize you have NO IDEA what the CIA is up to in this world.

alteredbeat on January 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM

though, there has always been Jewish Hebrew presence there.

neurosculptor on January 21, 2010 at 5:40 PM

FIFY. Historical accuracy and all that, you know.

On another point, the CIA would not be doing a lot of stuff it does if it were implementing a national security policy instead of a political policy. Protecting this country is like baseball players being suited up for ice hockey.

Iran-contra was working, which to demon-craps meant it needed to be stopped so Reagan could be embarrassed.

Ron Paul has bizarre ideas of what it takes to protect this country. Worse than being bizarre is that they have already been shown to be wrong, yet he persists. And the starry eyed Paulbots fawn over him.

Sarah, please run in 2012. Please.

platypus on January 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM

Drop your sarcastic tone and realize you have NO IDEA what the CIA is up to in this world.

alteredbeat on January 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Uhm. Anybody whose done any amount of research* knows that the CIA is doping up the world’s population so that there will be little chance of an uprising when they have the Greys bring Hitler back from their secret base on the dark side of the Moon.

The Greys have been in league with the CIA and the rest of the Illuminati network since at least the beginning of time.

*By research I mean reading the internet rantings of other deranged persons.

/s

SCBradley on January 22, 2010 at 12:01 AM

Ron Paul addresses the nation…or something.

daesleeper on January 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Drop your sarcastic tone and realize you have NO IDEA what the CIA is up to in this world.

alteredbeat on January 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Apparently, neither do you.

If you truly believe the CIA is currently capable of doing more than brushing its collective teeth in the morning, you have not been paying attention over the last several years.

runawayyyy on January 22, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I am not sure exactly what Mr. Paul is referring to in this speech. He is speaking off the cuff which lends itself to statements that seem a little strange. But just to support some of what he is saying, do you recall a movie and book called Charlie Wilson’s war? That would be enough to support the speech. The other thing is that Mr. Paul is my age and saw Vietnam without the bull that is present now. Vietman was pure CIA in its worst form.

dcaskey on January 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM

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