Paul Ryan tells NRO: The Dems are going to try reconciliation

posted at 7:47 pm on January 21, 2010 by Allahpundit

I feel like Count Rugen: “Good heavens. Are you still trying to win?”

Which is a bad example, actually, because right after he said that he got stabbed in the chest.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, tells National Review Online that House Democrats are planning to use of the budget-reconciliation process in order to pass Obamacare. “They’re meeting with each other this weekend to pursue it,” says Ryan. “I’ve spoken with many Democrats and the message is this: They’re not ready to give up. They’ve waited their entire adult lives for this moment and they aren’t ready to let 100,000 pesky votes in Massachusetts get in the way of fulfilling their destiny. They’ll look at every option and spend the next four or five days figuring it out.”

If the Democrats pass a health-care bill through reconciliation, it means they would need only 51 votes in the Senate for final passage. To start the process, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) would need to bring a new health-care bill to the House budget committee with reconciliation instructions, with the Senate doing the same. “They’d have to go back to the beginning of the process,” says Ryan. “They’d need to affix reconciliation instructions to a new bill.” Doing so, he says, wouldn’t be too hard. “There’s nothing we can do to stop this from a technical standpoint, since all they need is a simple majority vote and our ratio on the committee is terrible. What we can do in the budget committee is pass resolutions for the Rules committee to insist on certain changes in the bill and create a ‘vote-a-rama’ atmosphere.”

Even so, he’s not sure they have the votes to do it given the horrendously awful optics this will have for Blue Dogs. Boehner seemed to know this was coming earlier today, when he warned Pelosi not to ignore the lessons of Massachusetts even though she’d already held her presser saying she didn’t have the votes. But if Ryan’s right that it’s full speed ahead on reconciliation over the weekend, how to square it with this AP story that hit the wires just an hour or so ago?

Though reeling from a political body blow, House Democrats rejected the quickest fix to their health care dilemma Thursday and signaled that any agreement on President Barack Obama’s signature issue will come slowly, if at all

Democrats’ hopes of settling on a strategy by the weekend seemed to fade, as lawmakers struggled to comprehend the drawbacks of every option…

Some lawmakers said it will take time for congressional Democrats, who huddled repeatedly Thursday, to realize how limited their options are. “People are at various levels of the seven stages of grief,” said Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what the AP means by “slowly,” but in any event, Ryan seems to think Pelosi and the caucus have settled on the reconciliation path while the AP’s sources seem to think they’re still undecided. Meanwhile, Gibbs told the media today that Obama wants to “let the dust settle” and move health care to the back burner for awhile while Pelosi and Reid figure out what to do, which is as mystifying to me as it is to Josh Marshall. Quote: “Time is not on their side. I think the everyone moment that goes by, demoralization and panic sinks in further, and action becomes less likely.” Precisely. Why give Blue Dogs more time to think about it, knowing that every day that ticks by gets them closer to the midterms? Earl Pomeroy said publicly over the weekend that he might as well retire if this drags on much longer. How do you think he feels about it now dragging on for weeks more with reconciliation and culminating in a de facto nuking of the newly elected Massachusetts veto?


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Oh please, BRING IT!!!

bernzright777 on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Obama has a full plate while the rest of us starve.

Electrongod on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Trial balloon. They don’t have the guts.

SouthernGent on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Goodbye, other 56 states.

Chuck Schick on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

They have a death wish. They will return to the minority and stay there forever.

BuckNutty on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

This is their Battle of the Bulge. They’re defeated, but they don’t know it yet. They will squandor their last remaining resources in a quixotic attack that will only leave them weaker than when they started.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

A better movie example, Allah, would be the Black Knight.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

“They’ve waited their entire adult lives for this moment..”

No, more like they’ve plotted their entire adult lives.

JellyToast on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

They’ve waited their entire adult lives for this moment

FIFY

Del Dolemonte on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

GO FOR IT!

The faster they do, the faster they’ll fall.

ahem on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

I don’t believe it, I think the piecemeal approach is much more likely.

rob verdi on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

If they thought they could get through reconciliation, they would have already done it.

A reduced-arrogance approach isn’t going to help them.

Punditpawn on January 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM

But if Ryan’s right that it’s full speed ahead on reconciliation over the weekend, how to square it with this AP story that hit the wires just an hour or so ago?

Easy- they lie.

LASue on January 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Oh my.
Bring it, beetches!

HornetSting on January 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM

I feel like Count Rugen: “Good heavens. Are you still trying to win?”

Allah, my meter for you has gone up a notch.

How do you think he feels about it now dragging on for weeks more with reconciliation and culminating in a de facto nuking of the newly elected Massachusetts veto?

Until Pomeroy says it, I ain’t buying it.

upinak on January 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM

BS. Not gonna happen.

B Man on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

According to Gregg on Greta last night, they can only pass parts of it with reconciliation. Gregg described it as ‘looking like swiss cheese’ and said that the things they want the most in the bill could not be passed that way. So—are they looking to change the rules somehow?

jeanie on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

I’m having a hard time believing this. If true, then somebody needs to take the Dems aside and tell them in no uncertain terms that this is an approach that will only make the public more angry. They can do very little with reconciliation and it offers none of the stuff that is ground for compromise and bipartisan legislation at some point in the future.

Do the Dems really want to get into this fight when the public is increasingly more vocal in their criticism that the Congress and administration are out-of-touch and doing nothing about the economic and unemployment concerns. Stupider things have happened.

highhopes on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Pelosi to Reid:

“We’re taking an awful risk, Harry. This had better work.”

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

They are going to do it…

With their last dying breath, they are going to do it!

Seven Percent Solution on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

DO IT!!!!!!

gophergirl on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

If they do this, they will regret it. Bad things will start happening if they even try this.

Beltway Bandit on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

If they fail, they’re screwed. If they succeed, they’re screwed. I’ve never seen a party paint themselves into a corner like this before. As I read on another thread, they’re committing suicide by voter.

joejm65 on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

it’s like a vampire, just won’t stay dead

Defector01 on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

I agree with Ryan, and have said for months that this will not go away. When will conservatives (aside from those few like Ryan) get it? They’re letting things settle right now, sending mixed messages, calculating — but they’ll come back and ram it through.

rrpjr on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Not the Princess Bride, but MP’s Holy Grail. The Leftist Agenda is being eviscerated before their eyes and they believe “it’s just a flesh wound.”

Roc on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

As Glenn says, watch what the left hand is doing.
The talk is only the pap.

PrincipledPilgrim on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Go for it, geniuses.

OhioCoastie on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

A better movie example, Allah, would be the Black Knight.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

A better movie example might also be Gallipoli.

Bruno Strozek on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

I will say it again.

I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Lily on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Democrats should never been referred to as adults.

It wouldn’t suprise me if they tried reconciliation. The Dems have lost touch, and they’re going to pay a huge price at the polls if they continue to shove this pile of crap down everyones throats.

therightwinger on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

It’s like a horror movie.

capitalist piglet on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The ‘rats never learn. They got busted by Scott Brown after changing the Mass rules for appointing senators, now they have decided to open the nookyaler box not seeming to understand that the GOP can root around inside too.

Bishop on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

They will reconcile and Obama will veto it, in an attempt to salvage his image

Daveyardbird on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Krauthammer said that if they ram it through, there would be “insurrection.” Those were his exact words.

PrincipledPilgrim on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Oh please, BRING IT!!!

bernzright777 on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Yep. Let them remove every doubt, once and for all, as to who and what the Democrat party really is.

JellyToast on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I thought the only parts they could pass through reconcilliation were taxes and the mandates. That sounds like a good approach to me. Should end the democrat party for at least 10 years.

txag92 on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

“People are at various levels of the seven stages of grief,” said Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y.

.
I guess they’ve added a couple stages recently!

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

No surprise here. Zealots would do nothing less than go down in flames for their religion.

jukin on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The way they see it, they won on Tuesday by a margin of 59 to 1.

pedestrian on January 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

spot on

cmsinaz on January 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Rush said today it would take them 2 weeks to revert. It has taken them 2 days, assuming this is true…and I don’t think it is. It’s suicide.

SouthernGent on January 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM

PLLLLLLEASE….KEEP TRYING YOU LYING SACKS OF __________!!!

Fire and Fury you haven’t even BEGUN TO SEE.

THIS could set the Dems out of power for 10 years (if the GOP doesn’t manage to screw it up).

PappyD61 on January 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Krauthammer said that if they ram it through, there would be “insurrection.” Those were his exact words.

PrincipledPilgrim on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

He’s right. If they try this we might see the Democrats with less than 100 in the house after the dust settles in November.

To get the MA message and ignore it – oh baby

gophergirl on January 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Yeah, that Healthcare ‘tater is just too hot to handle right now. Let’s move on to other economy-killing programs.

There has to be some silly parlimentary procedure to, say, recess Congress to a certain date that can be used.

BobMbx on January 21, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Oh Dear God, this is a precious gift. My wish is going to come true, by the time this is over, the Congressional “Progressive” (Marxist) Caucus is going to be a burning husk.

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Go Nancy go!

elduende on January 21, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Can the people initiate Presidential impeachment? Because this will certainly be the thing that would cause such a move?

jeanie on January 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Please try it you marxist pricks

MyImamToldMeToDoIt on January 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

rearranging deck chairs one more time…

heh

cmsinaz on January 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

I will say it again.

I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Lily on January 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Are you the person who was in best of craigs list asking for a astronaut?

upinak on January 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Go for it Democrats!

yoda on January 21, 2010 at 8:01 PM

I don’t think sending Brown to DC in a truck will send the right message. I think a Sherman tank may be needed.

Lily on January 21, 2010 at 8:01 PM

it’s like a vampire, just won’t stay dead

Defector01 on January 21, 2010 at 7:54 PM

I’m reminded more of Jason Voorhees.

Of course they’re going to try it. They’re delusional, plus this has been a wet dream of theirs for decades.

ddrintn on January 21, 2010 at 8:01 PM

To get the MA message and ignore it – oh baby

gophergirl on January 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM

This would be par for the course in Liberal Land.

PEOPLE: “We don’t want this bill”

LIBERALS: “So what. We won”

BobMbx on January 21, 2010 at 8:01 PM

it’s like a vampire, just won’t stay dead

You’re thinking of zombies. To kill a vampire, you drive a wooden stake through its heart.

Emperor Norton on January 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM

I guess they’ve added a couple stages recently!

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM

1. Running
2. Losing
1. 3. Denial
2. 4. Anger
3. 5. Bargaining
4. 6. Depression
5. 7. Acceptance

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Trial balloon. They don’t have the guts.

SouthernGent on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Yeah. I think they are all over the place and are coming to realize they haven’t got any good options.

Missy on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Whats the 12 step program then?

upinak on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

upinak on January 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

nope

Lily on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Such a hard decision for the dems. Do we ram through what we have been trying to get done for decades or do we listen to the American people.

Truthfully, they should have passed HCR months ago. Thank God for Sarah Palin’s fbook post about “death panels.” That really got the ball rolling!!!

deidre on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

“How best can we fulfill the Cloward-Piven dream of utterly collapsing the system so we can rebuild it from the ground up in The One’s image?”

BardMan on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

It’s not Count Rougen, it’s Inigo Montoya:

Reconciliation!

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Wouldn’t reconciliation with Republicans or the public make more sense?

Oh, what I wouldn’t give for a holocaust cloak.

Dean_L_Can on January 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

It is inconceivable that they are this stupid. But maybe they really, really are.

BetseyRoss on January 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM

They’ve waited their entire adult lives

Poor choice of words. There is very little to suggest that Democrats deserve to be considered adults.

malclave on January 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Don’t put much into the news as it is reported. The media repeats what is whispered into their ear by their democrat sources.

Skandia Recluse on January 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Inconceivable.

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM

For every piece of this sh*% bill they pass, we will win another seat….

kcd on January 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM

I wish they would. That would boil the frog’s water. They won’t do it.

Buddahpundit on January 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM

This is their Battle of the Bulge. They’re defeated, but they don’t know it yet. They will squandor their last remaining resources in a quixotic attack that will only leave them weaker than when they started.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

If so, then Scotty Brown’s election campaign in Massachusetts was our Bastogne.

“They’re out of their tanks and they’re walking back to Germany….”

victor82 on January 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM

It is inconceivable that they are this stupid. But maybe they really, really are.

BetseyRoss on January 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Either that or they have bigger egos than we even thought they had.

I know they are liberals but man this is beyond stupid even for them.

gophergirl on January 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Through all the twists and turns of this political drama I would stay very close to Paul Ryan.

patrick neid on January 21, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Not enough popcorn to go round for this one. Please try it. All the way through spring and summer’s tempests.

Ozwitch on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Goodbye, other 56 states.

Chuck Schick on January 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Did you count state of Connecticut 3 times because of Dodd getting the 100MM for hospital or because Liberman voted for Obamacare?

OR

Did you count VA, MA and NJ twice each because they have turned and become new and improved?

Actually CA could be counted 6 times itself.

OneConservative on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

There is a bunch led by Pelosi and Dean that would rather drink the koolaid than give up the dream of using health care as an instrument of wealth transfer.

We will soon see exactly who they are.

pedestrian on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

This is their Battle of the Bulge. They’re defeated, but they don’t know it yet. They will squandor their last remaining resources in a quixotic attack that will only leave them weaker than when they started.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

I think it’s more like Hitler’s invasion of the USSR. Rash and idiotic, but they can’t stop.

ddrintn on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Kudos to Paul Ryan, Boehner, etc for not letting up. They are not taking the Brown win as the end all of this disaster. They are still fighting and keeping this in the minds of the American people.

Good for them!

gophergirl on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Man. What’s in that senate bill?

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

You’re thinking of zombies. To kill a vampire, you drive a wooden stake through its heart.

Emperor Norton on January 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM

You mean a BROWN wooden stake…hehehehe

kcd on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

I await the republican commitment to destroy this as soon as they are seated in january 2011.

Chris_Balsz on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

The Dimmowits likely could have done them selves some good by at least putting some half-hearted tort reform in the bill. Luckily for us the obstinate fools are far too in the tank with trial lawyers.

CWforFreedom on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

I love it they’ll destroy themselves for a generation with 51 votes right before the midterms, then the new Congress comes in and reverses with 51 votes. Beeeeuuuuteeefffullll.

elduende on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

They do this and the “peasants” will literally come to Washington with pitchforks and torches.

wildcat84 on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

They try that and they will regret it — to put it mildly.

rebuzz on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Sen. McCaskill Agrees with Ramesh [Rich Lowry]

As she explained here, doing the piece-meal, pass-the-popular-stuff approach wouldn’t be so easy: “I heard somebody say this morning, we’ll just do preexisting conditions. Well, you can’t do preexisting conditions unless you do a mandate and you can’t do a mandate if you can’t make insurance affordable [ME: that's where the subsidies, and therefore the Medicare cuts and tax increases come in]. . . . It’s just all inter-related.”

01/21 07:28 PMShare

More from NRO. Some of this can’t be done with reconciliation, as Judd Gregg noted. Yet it is all inter-related.

This should be interesting.

Wethal on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

the next time there is a majority of Conservatives, voting rights need to be rolled back to where they were 200 years ago. “Real Property” owners vote, if you don’t have skin in the game, you can game the system to get into my pocket, or worse yet, my kids and grandkids. You want nice things, use that free freaking education that we (working stiffs) pay for and get a damn job.

rgranger on January 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM

can=can’t, sorry!

rgranger on January 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Wethal on January 21, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Only preexsisting huh. Interesting for sure.

upinak on January 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM

They have a death wish. They will return to the minority and stay there forever.

BuckNutty on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

I think it was Phil Gramm who said that if Hillarycare had passed people would be “hunting Democrats with dogs”.

Sounds fine to me. I’m so f*cking sick of these people, I will do things forbidden by every moral code on earth to them to ensure that they understand I am not interested in their opinions about how much of a role government should play in my life. And I’ll sleep like a baby after doing them, too.

venividivici on January 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Is Nancy doing this just to prove she can? That she’s ‘powerful’ enough. Even so, why are those foolish Dems in the House going along with her? Are they all so stupid they do not recognize mass suicide when they see it? They’ll take their Party down with them, not just their seats.

jeanie on January 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM

This is their Battle of the Bulge. They’re defeated, but they don’t know it yet. They will squandor their last remaining resources in a quixotic attack that will only leave them weaker than when they started.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

.
I can’t help myself…I must.

dont taze me bro on January 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM

I DOUBLE-DOG DARE YOU.

flyawaybird on January 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM

I think the states that are able to recall their house or congressman should start the paperwork espically if they are not up for reelection in 2010. Maybe then they’ll get the message that the people are mad and don’t want this piece of $h!t they want a job. The more they keep pushing the more the people stew and I’d hate to see what happens when the lid finally blows. Will there be sit-ins in the halls of Congress or the Senate.

Brat4life on January 21, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Ron Paul is a NUT

KBird on January 21, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Man. What’s in that senate bill?
Weight of Glory on January 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM

That’s what I was wondering, what is buried deep in the bill where only the most diligent reader will find it.

Bishop on January 21, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Crap. I had just put the lithium away in the medicine cabinet. Now my bipolar symptoms are returning again, courtesy of the US Congress.

Doctor, doctor, gimme the cure…….

GnuBreed on January 21, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I’m hoping it’s more like the Black Knight in Python’s Holy Grail
‘Tis but a scratch; I’ve had worse (Stupak amendment)

“it’s just a flesh wound!”. (No public option, Cornhusking, Louisiana Purchase etc)

‘I’m invincible, I’ll bleed all over you”

If we offer to call it a draw, good try.

“Come back here and take what’s coming to you! I’ll bite your legs off!”
See em in November.

robertb on January 21, 2010 at 8:13 PM

We have had these snakes amongst us all of our lives. They’ve slithered in the grass, slowly, nibbling at our heels here and there. But now, they are in full view, they are up and visible. Their cloaking is gone. Throw a shiny entitlement program baited with a Trojan horse in front of them and let’s string these days until November out for the maximum destructive effect.

This is a case study in statist liberalism. All hotheads ought to have a master’s degree in statism and its effects by NOV 2010. Their tactics, their speeches, their inflections, tone, message, meaning, fallacy usage, faulty logic and all that stuff ought to be as visible as Pam Anderson’s tits in a red bathing suit, so that once that statism goes back to being a slithering beast, we can see it as clearly as we see it today.

Great moments are born of great opportunity. Don’t let this crisis go to waste. Learn.

ted c on January 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Try it donks, you will feel the Pain.

Princess Bride~To The Pain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oow6FknK9NE

skip ahead to 1:23 for the best part.

Geochelone on January 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM

A better movie example, Allah, would be the Black Knight.

David Mickelson on January 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM

This Black Knight?

smellthecoffee on January 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM

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