Nader group says let’s change the First Amendment
posted at 2:35 pm on January 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
At least they’re advocating the use of the only legitimate mechanism to allow the government to regulate political speech:
“Public Citizen will aggressively work in support of a constitutional amendment specifying that for-profit corporations are not entitled to First Amendment protections, except for freedom of the press. We do not lightly call for a constitutional amendment. But today’s decision so imperils our democratic well-being, and so severely distorts the rightful purpose of the First Amendment, that a constitutional corrective is demanded.
“We are formulating language for possible amendments, asking members of the public to sign a petition to affirm their support for the idea of constitutional change, and planning to convene leading thinkers in the areas of constitutional law and corporate accountability to begin a series of in-depth conversations about winning a constitutional amendment.”
Mark Tapscott that they’ve finally admitted that they have some disdain for the Constitution:
In other words, since we lost under the current rules, we’re going to try to persuade enough people out there in America to change the rules to make it clear we win.
At least they are finally admitting that they view the First Amendment – which says Congress shall make no law respecting freedom of speech – as flawed. And that they judge themselves as smarter than James Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights that begins with the First Amendment (actually it was the third, but that’s another story), and the “Father of the Constitution.”
But what then would constitute a corporation? Ralph Nader’s group obviously wants to apply this to the private sector, but Public Citizen itself is a form of corporation, a non-profit. If they find corporate involvement in politics so distasteful, why not apply that restriction to all corporations? In fact, most media outlets are for-profit as well. Why should they not face regulation in order to clean up biases and misinformation, just like any other for-profit corporation?
As we see, the slippery slope on curtailing freedom of speech gets steep right from the start. Why, some people may want to limit speech rights to citizens only, and not to non-citizen residents, legal or illegal. Blogs can be dangerous, according to some people, so why not ban them at the same time?
Madison knew that making the government the arbiter of acceptable political speech meant one thing: a government that would protect its own interests. When the law-enforcement capabilities of the federal government get applied to determining the legitimacy of both the speech and the speaker, free political speech is at an end, and with it political dissent, free elections, and liberty. None of the ills that Public Citizen proposes to solve with this approach compares to the disastrous results we will see when free speech gets controlled by the government that free speech itself was intended to limit and hold accountable.
In other words, Nader and Public Citizen couldn’t shine Madison’s shoes.









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Nader’s ideas are unsafe at any speed.
teke184 on January 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM
To borrow from Ron White:
Nadar, next time you have an idea, just let it go.
Disturb the Universe on January 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Nooooooooo. The ammendment is fine as is. Even though I don’t always agree with some speech, such as hate speech…I respect ones right to say it…under the first ammendment. It’s not just there for those who hate, it’s there for everyone….and that should NEVER be tampered with. NEVER!!!
capejasmine on January 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM
I’m sure that they’ll get Danny Glover and Chuck Shumer to vote for it. All they need is 100million more to surrender free speech.
orlandocajun on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM
“Progressives” = statist, anti-Constitutional tyrants
Not news.
It is to some of them, who’ve convinced themselves that the Founders didn’t actually mean what many of them fought and died for.
Good Lt on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Leftists wipe their behind with the US Constitution. They always have.
RBMN on January 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Bring back the Duel!
Live or die by your honor!
barnone on January 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Good F*cking Luck Ralph!
You would first need to change how changes are made to the Constitution you putz.
Liberal panic is better than porn.
singlemalt_18 on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Heck, Nader and Public Citizen couldn’t clean the streets that Madison’s shoes trod on.
Most likely, they’re the stuff that gets cleaned off, rather than doing the cleaning.
jedijson on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Ed you are on a roll.. First the Ron Paul Kook Post and now another post on Ron Paul’s kook father Ralph Nader. Keep up the good work.
Dire Straits on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM
The Hells Angels Motorcycle Corporation is non-profit.
Akzed on January 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Let’s see if I got this right.
SCOTUS upholds free speech rights for all people.
The left freaks out and goes into overdrive trying to stifle free speech rights for people they don’t like hearing from.
Anybody surprised?
Good Lt on January 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Another Ron White quote that applies here:
You can’t fix stupid.
search4truth on January 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM
The statists are in the open for all to see.
farright on January 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Another Ron White quote:
“You can’t fix stupid!”
CurtZHP on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM
He wants to change the amendment that allows him to hold his ridiculous opinions. There’s got to be a stronger word than irony for this.
Tommy_G on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Nader would die of old age long before this idea became an Amendment.
Liam on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Ah, search4truth beat me to it!
CurtZHP on January 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM
So…Coca-Cola has no right to be heard.
It’s Citizen Nader who has the right to be heard?
What if Coca-Cola wants to give some money so Citizen Nader can be heard a little louder?
Chris_Balsz on January 21, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Let’s see our “progressive” (read: pro-fascist) posters like Grow Fins, crr6, Bleeds Blue (oops, that won’t happen) etc. support this and just prove once and for all they are opposed to the First Amendment.
PimFortuynsGhost on January 21, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Since no one seems to have this up yet:
Sarah Palin: Marching for a Beautiful Life
Sorry to be a little O/T
Juno77 on January 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM
If you want to discuss Amendments, how about we repeal the 17th. While we’re at it let’s ditch the 17th. Not because young folks don’t vote for my kind of candidate, but because they’ve never bothered to show up at the polls in substantial numbers anyway.
pugwriter on January 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM
The one thing that you have to give Nader is that he is not a liar and misleading in what he thinks and wants to accomplish.
And yes, I completely disagree with what he says but the fact that he is honest and clear about his intentions puts gives him a billion time more favorable rating then that liar Pelosi, Obama and the other democrats.
I don’t care about people having wacko and out of the ordinary ideas.
I do care about people misleading me and do a bait and switch.
mooseburger on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Notice, of course, this doesn’t apply to big labor. At least private corporations have left a net positive benefit. Labor unions are bloodsucking leeches.
PimFortuynsGhost on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Um, ‘citizens’ are more or less defined as those who have full rights. Non-citizens have kind of a provisional protection of rights as a courtesy to their home countries.
***
Besides, just as tax money is not a congressman’s money to spend on whatever he wants, a company’s revenues are not a CEO’s money to spend on whoever they want. If an individual wants to make a statement, that is protected, but the funds to make that statement a priority for others to hear is not.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Not that Nader isn’t a total loon, mind you.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Hey, I’m all for a RETURN to our American tradition of debating amendments, instead of the MODERN trend of shouting at the newspaper when we read what the Court did to us.
Chris_Balsz on January 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM
And yet once again, communist tyrant wannbes express their goal of re-making the Republic in the image THEY would choose. This is what happens when people such as Nader, Obeyme, Pelosi, et al, are consumed with GOD complexes. If they WERE gods, they wouldn’t need permission. And since they’re not gods, they can only demand that we treat them as such.
Pardon me while I go vomit.
oldleprechaun on January 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM
This matches Obama, who also thinks that our Contstitution does more harm than good.
GaltBlvnAtty on January 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Let me get this right. If a group of citizens band together into a corporation whose task is to earn money for said group, and that group wants to exercise any of the other rights in the constitution (including freedom of religion, of assembly, petition of the government…), they are to be denied?
Why should a for-profit group which earns money be treated differently than a not-for-profit group which also earns money?
Explain to me the moral advantages of being not-for-profit, Ralph?
unclesmrgol on January 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM
As Geert Wilders about free speech!
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letget on January 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM
A home run to lead off the top of the first inning !!!
BTW, my Dad used to own a Corvair, and man would my ass get hot sitting in the back seat.
Jerome Horwitz on January 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Then they should make their own ad, and own it.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM
It’s kind of sad to see what’s happened to crr6
Juno77 on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM
CurtZHP,
Ron White is good for all occasions.
:)
Disturb the Universe on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Not just no, but HELL NO!
newton on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM
The man is the Corvair of politics.
Bruno Strozek on January 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM
I vote for getting rid of the 16th Amendment. Starve the beast that is Washington DC
rbj on January 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Put the crazy uncle back inthe basement.
Kuffar on January 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM
A corporation is nothing more than a collection of people who have voluntarily agreed to commit their money and/or time to a common purpose for mutual benefit.
The only difference between a for-profit corporation and a union, non-profit or political party is that it expressly exists to make money. That’s the crime the left can’t abide.
RadClown on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM
And for advocates of a third party don’t forget what happened to the Green Party.
fourdeucer on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM
“What WE say is Freedom of Speech; what YOU say isn’t…Got it?”
“Nader and Public Citizen couldn’t shine Madison’s shoes.”
+100
GoldenEagle4444 on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM
What’s it all about, Ralphie?
Do you know who owns those corporations whose speech you want to limit? They’re called shareholders AKA people. More than 75% of the people directly own shares of stock, individually or through their 401Ks, IRAs, etc. If you include small companies and the ownership of shares in companies that own other companies, you’re approaching 90% or more.
So, get over it, or bring it on.
TXUS on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Sounds like a great idea, Ralph! Make it the centerpiece of your 2012 Presidential campaign.
Jorge Bonilla on January 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM
That’s a good comment, but with it being first, that makes it a Great comment.
Juno77 on January 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM
I detect a little “edge” in Ed’s posts that didn’t seem to be there before. Am I hallucinating?
peski on January 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM
What part of “Congress shall make NO LAW..” does this guy/group not understand???
bridgetown on January 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Like most liberals, Nader does not believe that anyone who disagrees with him has any rights. Taking free speech away from business people is just the first step.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM
I hope it costs them a heap of money.
RushBaby on January 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM
Right on, Ed!
JimP on January 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM
First, Nader is a waco!
Second, the change we really need, and I guess it would fall under the 1st Amendment, is, to quote the great Bill Gross of PIMCO:
.
“…we the American people decide to publicly finance all national and local elections and ban the writing of even a $1 check for our favorite candidates. Undemocratic? Hardly. Get on the internet, use Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter to campaign for your choice. That’s the new democracy. When special interests, even singular citizens write a check, it represents a perversion of democracy not the exercise of the First Amendment….”
JeffVader on January 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Welcome to Loon Thursday here at Hot Air. With Pelosi, Paul, and Nader, we have a trifecta!
kingsjester on January 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM
I thought Nader jumped the shark a couple of decades ago.
cannonball on January 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM
beginning to think that Ralph and Ron are brothers who both are whacked out
hawkman on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Someone buy this man a Corvair.
Knucklehead on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM
With the left exploding in anger at their own leadership, Nader may be a big help this year and 2012 to siphon off a lot of left wing votes in coming elections.
pedestrian on January 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM
He’s been raising a ruckus up in Machias ME lately, filing a lawsuit against the new “Senior Senator” from Masachusetts. He alleges that Lurch conspired to keep him off the ballot in 2004.
Del Dolemonte on January 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Nah, just cap it at 20% or so.
Trying to run our military on tariffs and sales taxes would destroy the economy.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 3:01 PM
The problem with hate speech laws, and with this proposed ammendment, is that it sets the govt up as arbitrars of what speech is acceptable and what isn’t, and as Ed pointed out, the govt will always use this power to protect itself first and foremost.
Even those, who under any standard definition of the term would still be allowed free speech, even under this ammendment, will find their willingness to speak out to be chilled. Govt can and will threaten to “investigate” any speaker who says things the govt doesn’t want to hear.
I believe it was Voltaire who declared “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.
Nader, and modern liberals couldn’t hold a candle to Voltaire.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Would the Nader/Paul, Paul/Nader ticket be funny or scary?
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM
That’s why they want to change it. They keep running into this brick wall that says no.
chemman on January 21, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Not too worried. With this group of leaders, it will turn into a 1000 page document that nobody will be allowed to read, subject to Executive Orders submitted by Democratic Presidents only. The vote will come on Easter Sunday. In other words, a boondoggle that will never go anywhere and will further enrage the American public. They don’t have the sense to understand the Constitution as it stands, much less modify it in any reasonable way.
CBP on January 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM
So speech is only free, so long as you don’t spend any money? That’s a good way to make sure that only the govts view on anything ever gets out.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Shine? Nader and company couldn’t clean the dog cr*p off Madison’s soles.
johnsteele on January 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Meh.
Let’s just amend the Constitution like this:
Amendment 28- Nader, STFU.
Saltysam on January 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Actually it pretty much is the CEO’s to spend however he wants. If the board disagrees with what the CEO is doing, it has the power to fire him. If you disagree with the board, you are free to vote against them in the next election, or sell your stock immediately.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Are unions for profit? When is this idiot going to ride off into the sunset.
Kissmygrits on January 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM
True, Ed. But they should still go get their shine box.
Mr. D on January 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Somebody once said the First and Second Amendments are the first and second in the Bill of Rights because they are the ones that guarantee all the others.
rockmom on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Nader is what Madison would have scraped off the bottom of his shoe with a stick.
SKYFOX on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
You can make an argument that you can spend your own money on it with no restrictions, but when you start talking about taking money from others to do it, now you are talking commerce, not free speech.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Oh, and while we’re at it let’s get rid of that d*mn Second one too.
johnsteele on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
FIFM
pugwriter on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
He understands it. That’s why he’s proposing and ammendment to change it.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
At least he’s honest. Him and The Golden Boy have the same ideas, but one tries to hide behind Gibbs and the other makes his anti-American idiocracy plain.
It’s like the schizo who admits he thinks the FBI is out to get him and wears his tin foil hat in public.
RachDubya on January 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Sad, but true.
Saltysam on January 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM
First Ron Paul, now nutcase Nader. Why do the kooks get most of the press attention? Is it because their ideas are so totalitarian hence dangerous to freedom?
docdave on January 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Which is why the shareholders need to know what he is doing with it.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM
I say, all political speech is both allowed and suspect.
Full disclosure is what’s required.
I say, same thing with political donations.
Keith_Indy on January 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM
The more things change, the more they stay the same:
“All [corporations] are equal; but some are more equal than others.” George Orwell
DINORight on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Exactly. A corporation also risks losing lots of customers if it takes a partisan stand in an election, especially with an electorate as closely divided as ours is now. The notion that Exxon is going to spend $100 million on ads to help Republicans is totally ridiculous. But it is a good thing that Exxon now has the right to spend $100 million on ads opposing Cap and Trade if it wants to, especially since the entire news media give free advertising every day to the other side.
rockmom on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Supporting the candidate of your choice, is a perversion of democracy? What an utterly absurd thing to say.
How is buying a yardsign, any different from sending a check?
How is spending my vacation time to try and convince my neighbors any different from writting a check.
Why is it that so many people feel that any contact wiht money is corrupting, and that the only way to perfect the world is to make sure that nobody who disagrees with them is allowed to spend any?
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I was wondering about that.
Count to 10 on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Why that exception, Ralph? Why prevent most for-profit companies from speech, but not prevent a for-profit news organization (95% leftist)? Hmmm?
Midas on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM
What is it with Liberal hatred of the profit motive?
Daggett on January 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Considering the FairTax organization calculated that you could run the entire govt, including SS and Medicare on a 23 to 30% sales tax, I suspect the military could be supported with a 4-6% sales tax. Hardly ruinous, especially when you factor in the savings in first not paying the tax, and second not having to hire someone every year to figure out what you owe. (Some companies have entire depts, that work all year round on this task alone.)
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM
I have one to add:
Nader, next time you have an idea, just flush it.
That is why I say that most politicians should wear a diaper over their mouth
hamradio on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Obamacare and McFG both shot out of the sky in the same week. Amazing.
Since things come in threes, what will happen next? New York Times files for chapter 7 bankruptcy?
percysunshine on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM
The Congress is also free to legislate that corporations cannot deduct political expenditures as business expenses. This will help to ensure that corporations won’t spend much on political activity unless it is really, really important to the future profitability of the company.
Most corporations will still prefer to advocate through traditional means such as trade associations and the Chamber of Commerce. There just isn’t going to be the flood of money that Nader is afraid of.
rockmom on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM
That says it all. Like all good leftists, they hate anyone and anything that looks for a profit.
The reality is that many “not for profits” make money. Just b/c an entity is a not for profit does not mean it does not make money on its endeavors, only that such money is not paid out to shareholders. Instead, teh money is paid out in the form of huge salaries and perks to its officers and employees, as well as bonuses.
Unions, for instance, are not-for-profits, but they exist to increase their members pay and other compensation. Isn’t that really a “profit” for its members?
And, are they really claiming that a “for profit” organization necessarily has a “bad” agenda and a “not for profit” has a good agenda? That is simply so ignorant and disengenuous as to be frightening.
And how, really, do you define “news organization”? What is to stop a for-profit company from simply creating a “news agency” subsidiary to deliver its message were this fascist amendment to be passed?
Talk about stupidity and arrogance. Only the left knows what’s good for stupid americans to hear.
Monkeytoe on January 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM
The only people who “take” money from others, work for the govt. Corporations are voluntary associations.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:15 PM
That’s right, “shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech…” Except ‘hate speech’. Umm and yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded threater. oh, and yelling ‘pig’ at a cop (disorderly conduct). And on and on. Shall we go through how each amendment meant to protect our rights has been ignored and laws written anyway?
hogfat on January 21, 2010 at 3:16 PM
There are reporting requirements for all moneys spent by a corporation. There are also reporting requirements by candidates that receive funds. The shareholders already know what he is doing with it.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM
This would, of course permit the govt to decide who is part of the press, and who isnt’t. Any bets that those who disagree with the govt positions will quickly be declared non-press, and hence no rights to free speech.
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM
What?
It’s theirs to spend, under whatever corporate bylaws exist, until they get fired.
I’m glad to see that the Court is setting things right.
Saltysam on January 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM
On the other hand, with the way most MSM outfits are hemorraging money right now, can any of them truely be called for-profit?
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM
The fact that when they try, they don’t?
MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Will Barry endorse this? He hates eevil profiteering corporations just as much as Nader does, and has an equal disdain for the Constitution.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM
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