Report: House liberals tell Pelosi they won’t play ping pong on ObamaCare
posted at 6:02 pm on January 20, 2010 by Allahpundit
If it’s true — and given the surprisingly rapid backtracking by staunch liberals like Barney Frank and Anthony Weiner, it probably is — then the end is near.
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an interview just now…
Tellingly, House liberals also urged Pelosi to consider passing individual pieces of reform through the House as individual bills, and sending them to the Senate to challenge the upper chamber to reject them, Grijalva tells me. Liberals said this approach would be preferable to passing the Senate bill…
“If the Senate chooses not to close the donut hole, that’s their damn problem,” Grijalva said. “They’ve had it too easy. One vote controls everything. Collectively, we’re tired of that.”
Karl semi-predicted this earlier, wondering if the strategy now would be to give up on passing anything and simply force the Senate to vote no on one or more progressive House bills so that the GOP can be blamed in November for killing the dream or whatever. Granted, it’s a horrible strategy insofar as a few Senate Blue Dogs would likely vote no as well if only to cover their own rears, thereby making the GOP’s obstructionism into bipartisan obstructionism, but it may be the least horrible strategy left to them. Also, while a dozen liberal votes doesn’t sound like much, remember that Pelosi (a) has a razor-thin margin to work with, (b) is already bleeding votes from Stupak’s pro-life coalition (Stupak told the Standard today that the Senate bill wouldn’t get 100 votes in the House), and (c) needs virtually every House progressive to vote yes so that she doesn’t have to try to replace them with a vote from an endangered red-district Dem. If just a dozen liberals peel away, she’s pretty much hopeless. Byron York did some back-of-the-envelope math this morning and found Pelosi with only 210 votes — and that was before Grijalva and company waved bye-bye. Subtract them and she’s under 200 while facing a post-Massachusetts political landscape. Game over.
Meanwhile, just as House progressives are telling the Senate it’s their turn to take the lead, the Senate’s telling the House that it’s all up to them. Exit quotation from Philip Klein: “It turns out ‘ping pong’ means that House and Senate Dems both say the ball is in the other’s court.”









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hawkman on January 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM
GOAL!!!
RobCon on January 20, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Drive attentively. There is a did skunk on the road.
seven on January 20, 2010 at 6:06 PM
Shoulda took the hard pivot, kids.
Patrick S on January 20, 2010 at 6:06 PM
Something I thought I\’d never say. Thank God for Massachusetts.
MaiDee on January 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM
Pelosi is a failure. Mass has spoken. She apparently doesn’t listen to her priest at mass either. (pro abortion)
seven on January 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM
cool beans!
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM
AP missed the opportunity for an exit question: Should obamacare fail, could we see an unprecedented two day in a row appearance of humpbot?
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Take your balls home boys and girls.
This bill is dead and to try and chop it up in bits and pieces and sneak it thru is suicide.
Knucklehead on January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM
This is just to good, the dems at each others throats. Mr. Obama must be pretty lonely at the top watching his own party self destruct.
fourdeucer on January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM
DAMN, I WISHED THE ARTICLE WOULD HAVE SAID “THEY WATER-BOARDED” NAZI PELOSI…
AMERICAN VETERAN on January 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Awww, and MSNBC breathlessly announced this afternoon that Pelosi said she was going to pass the Senate bill, and then ask for a “sidecar reconciliation” to pass budget adjustments on it.
Poor Pelosi… knocked down from her fiefdom by the peons in her own caucus.
Enoxo on January 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM
If the Dems this is Game Over, just wait till November. That will be Lights Out.
They failed as a collective but they will be defeated one by one.
EMD on January 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Nancy Pelosi: Off with their Heads!!!!!
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM
This bill needs to be pursued. They may shelve it, then we need to raid the basement, find the shelf, burn the bill, bust the shelf, then steal the keys to the basement and the girlfriend of the guy guarding it. Then, and only then, will it be *game over*.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Attach 30 loads of crap to 1 good idea.
Repeat 25 times.
It will work.
faraway on January 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM
WE HAVE ONLY JUST BEGUN. All the liberals and RINOS better hear footsteps, cause we are coming after them. The women of this Country have had it.
suzyk on January 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM
suzyk nails it. The future of this country wears high heels and drives a truck. Go girl!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Are their lips moving? Then they’re lying.
I’m not going to believe it until the bloody corpse of this atrocious bill is buried and gone.
Dominion on January 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Bring Pro Axleturfer Bleeds Blue back so we can gloat and mock him!
daesleeper on January 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM
dang blockquotes…
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Damn, this is fun.
Hawkins1701 on January 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Good. Now let’s replace Nazi Pelosi.
petefrt on January 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM
End Game.
Dems are dead in the water, their base is in chaos.
Tea party/conservative revolution has begun.
Novemeber 2010 will be dark for the dems.
HornetSting on January 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Since the media (other than Fox) has hardly reported the Scott heard round the world, all the libs are going to wonder why the Dems are caving on health care? It’s the best of all worlds.
Christian Conservative on January 20, 2010 at 6:14 PM
This is good news, but I’ll take it with a side of caution. I don’t trust the Dems, and Obama, and company are hell bent on getting his signature legislation thru to passage. Could this all be a guise, to do it ALL back door, pass it, and we’ll never know, til the taxes come due?
capejasmine on January 20, 2010 at 6:14 PM
At what point does the death of Obamacare become official enough to warrant a humpbot appearance?
Mark1971 on January 20, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Step down Nancy. You’re over.
portlandon on January 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Pelosi can fire that ping pong ball out of her @$$.
leftnomore on January 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Lots of DEMS seethe writing on the wall and they are in CYA mode. They now have notice that their own jobs are not secure anymore. They soon can see their cushy perks go bye bye. The Brown victory was more than just for Mass.
pabo on January 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Sometimes the leader is the last to know..
paul1149 on January 20, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Too bad there’s no crude sexual slang “ping-ponging”. That would be cool.
SlimyBill on January 20, 2010 at 6:16 PM
a ‘trust but verify’ moment
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Looks like the State of the Union speech is gonna be all about the economy and all those jobs “saved or created”!
Rational Thought on January 20, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Weiner is that pencil necked rat fink liberal who’s Nancy’s little East coast water carrier. She’ll twist his scrawny arm a bit or tug on his ear and he’ll be back in line toot sweet.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Couldn’t happen to a nicer old hag.
txag92 on January 20, 2010 at 6:17 PM
I kinda want it to keep going for a while. You know, run the clock down some more.
exception on January 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM
How could this be? They’ve told us for half a year that this opposition was a trumped up figment of our imagination. This is a bunch of nazi tea baggers and health insurance plants. Wait, were they….could it be….that they were lying to everyone all this time?
I love the race to jumping towards prudence and caution in the past 24 hours. I don’t have timestamps on this, but I think it goes Bayh – Gold, Webb – Silver, Weiner – Bronze, with Frank, McCaskill, Nelson pulling a dishonorable mention. Who am I missing? Either way, may you all earn the same prize.
stldave on January 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Same question. I really feel like I need an official statement from either Pelosi, Reid, or Obama that the bill is dead. I think they’ll probably just change the subject and we’ll never get our parade.
El_Terrible on January 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Rush today said he has never been more proud of Liberal Mass.
seven on January 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM
There is, but you’re okay not knowing it. Maybe more than okay.
exception on January 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM
I’ll be sure to tell my son about this victory, so that in 20 years when this bull has another chance to pass, he can join the Tea Party Movement version 3.0.
I’m really looking foward to the State of the Union address. “Let me be clear– Bush caused all these problems, and republicans won’t let us fix it. I’m politically impotant, but it’s the fault of you teabaggers!”
RachDubya on January 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Can you imagine what Pelosi will look like at the end of this week. Not enough Tox in the world to correct that.
Mr. Arrogant on January 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM
I’ll believe it when I see it – not until then.
Color me cautiously optimistic, but until I see the dirt being shoveled, after a stake of holly is driven through it’s heart, and the head and brain have been destroyed to prevent any type of vampiric or zombie like return – this is all just so many words.
catmman on January 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Game over, man, game over.
If a Republican can win Teddy’s seat in Massachusetts, they can win anywhere.
ObamaCare is forever tainted as a dismal failure, it will never pass in any form whatsoever.
Norwegian on January 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Now if we could focus these dim bulbs on detoxifying the private sector so we can back to work…
They still don’t seem to GET the fact that “its the economy, stupid!”
Job numbers for this month are gonna be nasty. Nobody wants to start new projects or start companies in this environment.
dogsoldier on January 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM
whoops there goes the speakership!
we also need to break the Congressional “Progressive” Caucus. Much of Obama’s Marxist poison emanates from there.
elduende on January 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Try going to urbandictionary.com and searching.
Though I suggest you not. For your mental health.
Enoxo on January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM
If the centerpiece bill is failing, then what good is nancy?
.
next please!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM
I don’t trust then either. They will never give up passing something. All they need is to just put the foot in the door, something they can use to inconspicuously build upon until we wake up some day under single-payer. They know how to slow-boil the American public. Our over-confidence facilitates this process.
neuquenguy on January 20, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Trying to pass Obama Communist Care in piece meal is even more dangerous than trying to pass the whole thing at once.
darwin on January 20, 2010 at 6:23 PM
“It turns out ‘ping pong’ means that House and Senate Dems both say the ball is in the other’s court.”
Sounds more like they’re playing hot potato.
SHARPTOOTH on January 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM
will this turn into dodgeball?
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM
I’ll say it again.
“I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
Lily on January 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM
dodgeball? Can they dodge wrenches?/
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Bye, Nan.
Philly on January 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM
The day keeps getting better and better.
Can you hear us now, D.C. ??
abobo on January 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Wow. I like the way Grijalva talks; who is this guy?
I hope he rattled Nancy to the point of tears (see The Wizard of Oz – water & witches shouldn’t be combined.)
Extra bonus points if he permanently wipes off Nancy’s clownish, used-car-salesman-like, botox laden grin.
ReagansRight on January 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Sick a fork (Pitch) in her…
winston on January 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM
hehe
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM
The Democrats are breaking down like a Mexican sports car!
Chuck Schick on January 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM
I think the Aliens “game over” video is in order
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on January 20, 2010 at 6:29 PM
They will never give up this dream. Break it up into bits and pieces and get the whole pie put together later. Sleep with one eye open, people.
Kissmygrits on January 20, 2010 at 6:30 PM
She’s going to need a job. Maybe she could get a job waxing AP’s Humpbot? She’s proven adept at waxing other *ahem* tools…
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Two Words:
Public Option
tjexcite on January 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM
It’s not ping pong, it’s hot potato.
Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM
The left is simply too stupid and pig headed to learn their lesson this easily…It will take massive defeat in November for them to ‘get it’.
JIMV on January 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Pelosi needs to be thrown to the curb and the door slammed in her face. She’s responsible for a lot of bad legislation and tremendous amounts of pork getting through. I wish we could tie a dollar amount to the wasteful spending she has signed her name to but there are probably too many to count.
scalleywag on January 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM
it ain’t a hot potato neither, it’s a hand grenade now with the pin pulled.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM
How about a Constitutional Amendment that states specifically that Congress shall pass NO LAW nationalizing private industry and ANY attempt to do so falls in the “high crime and misdemeanor” category?
We stopped this today, but they will NEVER stop trying to socialize this country.
It’s what they do.
Talon on January 20, 2010 at 6:35 PM
I still would like my health care and my health care insurance to cost less.
Would it be too much to ask either party to keep working on that?
MarkT on January 20, 2010 at 6:36 PM
They didn’t have the votes for it when they had a filibuster-proof majority, they certainly don’t now.
Enoxo on January 20, 2010 at 6:37 PM
I like beans!!!!
Yakko77 on January 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM
You know, they keep talking about competition, but nobody ever suggests that doctors compete on price, like plastic surgeons and lasik surgeons do.
Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Steny: “INCOMING! FROM THE SENATE SIDE!”
Nancy: “What is it?”
Steny: “It’s not a turd.”
Nancy: “Give it to me then.”
Steny: “Okay…”
*BOOM!*
Steny: “I didn’t say it wasn’t a grenade…”
JEM on January 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Game (healthcare), match (2010), & set (2012)
ClanDerson on January 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM
JEM—priceless!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Can you hear US now?????
An election may be hinge on a specific chair in a specific state, but we will send money to support the candidate that protects the great USA – even if it’s not our state!!!!
Ya got that????
ladyingray on January 20, 2010 at 6:41 PM
PINNOCHIO DOESN’T HAVE THE VOTES THUS HIS CONCILIATION.
Hey Pinnochio the Massachusetts voters ent you an anniversary present for you first year anniversary they sent you SCOTT BROWN the 41st vote against your ruination of Americas’ Health!
THANKYOU MASS I HOPE THE REST OF US CAN BE SO PATRIOT!
dhunter on January 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM
Now, that’s a video worth watching: The Karate Mistress: staring Nancy Pelosi. She “wax on, wax off” the Humpbot.
ReagansRight on January 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM
sweet
notagool on January 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM
implosion. I love it!!
tommer74 on January 20, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Hey Dems you got paddled. Pick up your balls and go home, this pingpong game is over. TEA anyone?
canditaylor68 on January 20, 2010 at 6:43 PM
One of my best friends (known the guy for almost 40 years) as as Leftist as they come, and lives on Comm Ave. He was disgusted with Coakley and voted for the Indy guy who got 1% of the vote.
Not a vote for Brown, but definitely still sending a message.
Del Dolemonte on January 20, 2010 at 6:44 PM
POPCORN TIME!
GarandFan on January 20, 2010 at 6:45 PM
hey, these guys found the obamacare bill hiding in this locker. Check it!
Pranks@
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:46 PM
I agree 100% there needs to be health care reform. The administration just didn’t put together in a way that
appeals to Americans. It appeals to insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, unions, and lobbyists. They need to start over with a goal of actually “reforming” health care.
scalleywag on January 20, 2010 at 6:47 PM
Gee, Ancy-Nancy originally said that B.O.-care was going to be Congress’s Christmas present to us.
So what is she cooking up now, to make this Congress’s Valentine’s gift to us?
Heck, in light of what is crammed into this stupid bill, she’d be better off waiting until April 1 to hoist this on us.
That date would be much more appropiate, since it honors people like her.
pilamaye on January 20, 2010 at 6:47 PM
Where is the pessimism meter reading on this Obamacare is dead shtick?
GnuBreed on January 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM
And come November we’ll be playing Whack-A-Mole.
ReagansRight on January 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM
The only thing that could be worse for Nazi Pelosi is for the botox to stop working.
volsense on January 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Death at a funeral funny clip of the day.
Uncle Alfie.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 6:51 PM
The carbon sequestered just printing the copies of that POS bill was enough to cause this winters cold weather and may have set back AGW 1000 years.
TheSitRep on January 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM
If anyone isn’t already smiling ear to ear, check out http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/20/mitt-romney-continues-his-golden-streak/
dnlchisholm on January 20, 2010 at 6:56 PM
The light switch is on and the roaches are scattering!
Robbya on January 20, 2010 at 6:57 PM
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