Report: House liberals tell Pelosi they won’t play ping pong on ObamaCare

posted at 6:02 pm on January 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

If it’s true — and given the surprisingly rapid backtracking by staunch liberals like Barney Frank and Anthony Weiner, it probably is — then the end is near.

In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House liberal tells me.

“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an interview just now…

Tellingly, House liberals also urged Pelosi to consider passing individual pieces of reform through the House as individual bills, and sending them to the Senate to challenge the upper chamber to reject them, Grijalva tells me. Liberals said this approach would be preferable to passing the Senate bill…

“If the Senate chooses not to close the donut hole, that’s their damn problem,” Grijalva said. “They’ve had it too easy. One vote controls everything. Collectively, we’re tired of that.”

Karl semi-predicted this earlier, wondering if the strategy now would be to give up on passing anything and simply force the Senate to vote no on one or more progressive House bills so that the GOP can be blamed in November for killing the dream or whatever. Granted, it’s a horrible strategy insofar as a few Senate Blue Dogs would likely vote no as well if only to cover their own rears, thereby making the GOP’s obstructionism into bipartisan obstructionism, but it may be the least horrible strategy left to them. Also, while a dozen liberal votes doesn’t sound like much, remember that Pelosi (a) has a razor-thin margin to work with, (b) is already bleeding votes from Stupak’s pro-life coalition (Stupak told the Standard today that the Senate bill wouldn’t get 100 votes in the House), and (c) needs virtually every House progressive to vote yes so that she doesn’t have to try to replace them with a vote from an endangered red-district Dem. If just a dozen liberals peel away, she’s pretty much hopeless. Byron York did some back-of-the-envelope math this morning and found Pelosi with only 210 votes — and that was before Grijalva and company waved bye-bye. Subtract them and she’s under 200 while facing a post-Massachusetts political landscape. Game over.

Meanwhile, just as House progressives are telling the Senate it’s their turn to take the lead, the Senate’s telling the House that it’s all up to them. Exit quotation from Philip Klein: “It turns out ‘ping pong’ means that House and Senate Dems both say the ball is in the other’s court.”


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

Two versions of a father explaining to his son about obamacare:

Conservative: Hey son, that’s a turd, don’t touch it

Liberal: Hey son, that’s a turd, pick it up from the clean end

h/t to someone

lukespapa on January 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

House liberals also urged Pelosi to consider passing individual pieces of reform through the House as individual bills, and sending them to the Senate to challenge the upper chamber to reject them

Weren’t these the bastards that claimed piecemeal legislation wouldn’t solve the problem and that only wholesale seizure of healthcare by the government was necessary to get it right?

highhopes on January 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Finally, the Democrat’s ignorance, arrogance and incompetence work to the benefit of the American people.

This is a proud day for the Democrat Party.

NoDonkey on January 20, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Vashta.Nerada on January 20, 2010 at 6:38 PM

The only way that happens is to get 3rd party payers out of the system. Return Insurance to what it was meant to cover not as a system to pay for routine care.

chemman on January 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Where is the pessimism meter reading on this Obamacare is dead shtick?

GnuBreed on January 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Color me skeptical. I tend to agree with Juan Williams who thinks the Mass. election changes nothing because if they don’t push through something Congressional Dems wil have to go to the voters in November and explain why they dithered around with healthcare for over six months with nothing to show for it. Now, I hope that Juan is getting some of that stimulus money for the way he shills for the administration but I think there is a lot of truth in the above statement.

highhopes on January 20, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Obstructionism is patriotic.

Maquis on January 20, 2010 at 7:05 PM

I still would like my health care and my health care insurance to cost less.

Would it be too much to ask either party to keep working on that?

MarkT on January 20, 2010 at 6:36 PM

I’m not saying this to be snarky: Are we willing to quit demanding more innovative medical procedures, instant access to care, and longer lives? If not, it’s probably not going to happen. Money tends to go where the demand is. As long as we want to feel good — immediately — and want to live longer, our money will tend to gravitate in that direction no matter what. And because there is no good substitute for health and life, price elasticity in allocating resources is pretty much non-existent. But then it’s my business how much I am willing and able to spend to continue my health and life, not the government’s. I should not have the power to dictate to my neighbors that they pay for my infinite desire to live. And congress will never be able to figure out a formula for what is the “fair” amount of health and life to be afforded to individuals.

Oh. By the way. I wore all brown today in celebration of the Brown revolution.

ObjectionSustained on January 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

Done.

If health care is a right, then a Constitutional amendment should be presented to he states declaring it so.

rickyricardo on January 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

I still would like my health care and my health care insurance to cost less.

Would it be too much to ask either party to keep working on that?

Yes it would. They are already the cause of much of the mess. My insurance costs more because these clowns have decided they’re only paying a fraction of what it really costs for the people they’ve deemed worthy of federal insurance. Their red tape, onerous regulation, and blatant stupidity has done enough damage already. Get the government out of the whole mess and the market will take care of the rest, just like plastic surgery and lasik–the only two things they don’t currently regulate and two areas that have seen consistent price drops.
 
If the government needs to be involved, let the individual states do it. We may not like the outcome, but at least we’ll have some control. With the federal gov. regulating it’s a guaranteed bag of crap, like everything else they touch. The last thing we need is Bawney Fwank and Chrissy Dodd telling us what services we can get, how we need to subsidize certain groups (like unions), and when we need to die. They have done nothing with the programs they currently control that gives the least indication they deserve to control anything else.
 
Why is it we keep asking the federal government to step in instead of asking our state government to do it. I can tell you why, because federal campaign finance, IRS tax code, and lobbyists at the federal level make it much easier for these special groups to get their snouts into the trough. These three issues are far more important than anything else our federal “representatives” could work on. We need to include serious reform proposals for these in the platform that starts winning in 2010 and takes back control in 2012. If they are not, conservatives will be having the same fight again and again and again. Sadly, we’ll eventually lose and begin our decent into progressive hell on earth.

ClanDerson on January 20, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Not with a bang but with a whimper.

snaggletoothie on January 20, 2010 at 7:09 PM

It’s funny that Ted Kennedy’s death caused the end of the Heath Care debacle, end of Obama, end of the Communist strangle hold on the country. Just in time. Might just be divine hand.
Thanks Ted.

docjohn52 on January 20, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Time for an intellectual moment:

Pelosi went to Hong Kong to play ping pong with her ding dong.

No offense meant to Hong Kong. I have been there once and it was great.

I only mean to offend Pelousi here and anyone who supports her anywhere. And Babs Boxcutter, too!

See? It was a great intellectual moment and I managed not to offend anyone with any brains!

Top that if you can!

Sherman1864 on January 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM

a friend told me that Ted Kennedy would get man of the year this year for what his death did for MA politics & national politics.

kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM

I have long predicted that this thing would not pass, but I surely did not expect the ultimate reason to be the election of a Republican to Ted Kennedy’s seat.

How utterly wonderful.

rockmom on January 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM

One significance of the Marcia Massachusettes election result is that we see clearly that there can be an Acorn free election, even with Senator, spit, Al Franken’s lawyer in attendance.

Dhuka on January 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM

man of the year–for cover of TIME magazine.

kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM

ClanDerson on January 20, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Yip! So long as government mandates that a portion of every dollar we pay into for our health care , goes to social health care….we’ll always be paying more. The more they charge Insurance for these programs, the more the cost gets passed onto us.

capejasmine on January 20, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Scott Brown open to health care over haul…gulp

nondhimmie on January 20, 2010 at 7:30 PM

highhopes on January 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Yes, but Commissar Pelosi has also been quoted as saying the Democraps would force this marxist sewage through in her words, “one way or another”. Republicans had better get to the Male locker, locate their spines, their testicles, and some testosterone TODAY. They’re going to need those items to withstand the non-stop hammering they’re going to take from the Lame Stream Media. The LSM will not stop attacking Republicans.

oldleprechaun on January 20, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Can you hear US now?????

An election may be hinge on a specific chair in a specific state, but we will send money to support the candidate that protects the great USA – even if it’s not our state!!!!

Ya got that????

ladyingray on January 20, 2010 at 6:41 PM

The people have spoken and they are just warming up their vocal chords!!!

huskerdiva on January 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Ain’t a 41-59 majority grand?

Lou Budvis on January 20, 2010 at 8:04 PM

This is political incompetence. Any fool could have seen they should have given up on this effort last August. They just got an “exit strategy” handed to them in the form of Scott Brown – but they insist on piloting engineless plane to the crash site.

Unbelievable – but GREAT for us!

HondaV65 on January 20, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Not believing it. The Won will make the House pass the Senate version.

mwdiver on January 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Well I’m beginning to think that their purposefully ‘wrecking’ the economy to create a crisis is now really working against them…there’s is just so much popcorn and so little time…heh.

Ltlgeneral64 on January 20, 2010 at 9:38 PM

lukespapa on January 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

I think this is what you meant

“Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

xler8bmw on January 20, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Either that pic was pre facelift, or it’s time for another one.

Tennman on January 20, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Color me skeptical.
highhopes on January 20, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Ditto. Remember who we’re talking about here: people who will do literally anything to get their way.

Now would be the absolute worst time to get cocky. Never let your guard down with these people. The instant you turn your back they’ll sucker punch a kidney. This isn’t over until the people who voted for it are in jail.

JDPerren on January 20, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Return Insurance to what it was meant to cover not as a system to pay for routine care.

chemman on January 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Can you imagine how expensive auto insurance would be if it paid for oil changes and wiper blades?

MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Most medical offices have at least one person on staff, who’s only job is to deal with insurance companies.

MarkTheGreat on January 21, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Right on. Speaker Pelosi will not play ping-pong with Health Care because she will not give up any of her power or concepts that she feels would severely tarnish her “Holier than Thou” altitude (sic attitude).

MSGTAS on January 21, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Is she strangling herself in the lead photo???

jgdp on January 21, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Comment pages: 1 2