Howard Dean: Brown won because ObamaCare isn’t liberal enough or something
posted at 8:14 pm on January 20, 2010 by Allahpundit
Behold the eternal leftist domestic-policy CW, that all Democratic setbacks derive from their failure to push an even more socialistic agenda. Funny thing: If the deciding votes in Massachusetts were cast by disgruntled liberals who wanted to kill the bill because it lacks a public option, why wasn’t there a grassroots “vote Brown” movement in the lefty blogosphere? Did I miss that? The nutroots don’t much like the Senate bill either and, last I checked, their leading lights are all pretty reliably liberal, but as far as I know the party line among them was that everyone should hold their noses and vote Coakley. Or does Dean seriously believe that Massachusetts Dems were so ticked about The One’s supposed centrism that they turned out in droves to … destroy the Democrats’ supermajority?
Believe it or not, Matthews does a pretty bang-up job here of grilling him. Money quote: “If she wins, it’s a victory for your side. If he wins, it’s a victory for your side.”
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Dumb as Michael Steele.
Both parties are hilarious to watch lately.
bridgetown on January 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM
yeah, Obama is a bit of a tea partyer.
rob verdi on January 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM
It is beginning to become treasonous, the dishonesty in the media.
It’s one thing to take side, but, this Brown referrendum will disappear (if it hasn’t already) and the media will help push national Hell Care on all of us.
cntrlfrk on January 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM
EEEEEEYAAAAAHHHH!
Philly on January 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM
what’s “CW” mean?
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:18 PM
go for it dean, challenge Obama in the primaries.
rob verdi on January 20, 2010 at 8:18 PM
I love the tangled, illogical reasoning.
“We weren’t liberal enough to satisfy the voters……..so they vote for conservatives.”
It’s their same logic that says “we gotta pass something, anything, even if it’s bad.” Makes no sense whatsoever.
JoeinTX on January 20, 2010 at 8:18 PM
you mean, the rings in their noses
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
When Chrissy has to talk you down from the ledge, you are out there. C’mon Howard, one more step…
d1carter on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Oh Yes-that’s the reason~make it MORE LIBERAL, Dean.
November 2010 is going to be painful for the doctor of stupid.
HornetSting on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Ted CW= Conventional Wisdom
CWforFreedom on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
what’s “CW” mean?
Conventional Wisdom
JoeinTX on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Let’s give credit where credit is due.
Matthews zorched him, and deservedly so.
JohnGalt23 on January 20, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Because if they voted Coakley, this HRC would pass, ushering in an insurance mandate and pre-existing condition clause. Then they would try for the next baby steps, er, next. As opposed to the right’s cause which was Kill the bill. Part of the problem with these issues is that there can be no compromise: when one side wants govt healthcare and the other side says stay out, what’s the middle ground?
LastRick on January 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM
Thank goodness for the scream. That man is batsh!t CRAZY!
txag92 on January 20, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Go Dean! Lead the lemmings over that cliff!
GarandFan on January 20, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Hope you don’t mind. hehe.
Geochelone on January 20, 2010 at 8:23 PM
Baghdad Bob relative.
the_nile on January 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM
This is the video I was on about in the AxelBlob/Gibbs thread….
All the LibSpaz VooDoo was focused on Gibbs and Axelrod…they just can’t be that close to each other…It creates a Stupid Black Hole and deprives the rest of the imbeciles their ‘go juice’…
But Howard Dean appears to have received a direct hit when the Liberal Cosmic TurdPump went critical….
It’s great how he keeps looking all aghast at Matthews like ‘What in the Hell are You Dooooiinggg??’
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Dean is a scream.
ICBM on January 20, 2010 at 8:25 PM
9 minutes and 35 seconds?
just can’t do it..
Would rather be waterboarded.
joepub on January 20, 2010 at 8:26 PM
I have to interrupt this thread to ask a question to settle something in my house.
Which candidate was it (2004 or 2008) that wanted to expand all the lanes of I-95 between Maine and Florida? One of you savvy political know-alls must know.
LibTired on January 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM
I agree with Dean.
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead deano.
When this is over I want to make sure that the Congressional “Progressive” Caucus is a burning husk never to rise in this land again and Obama is locked in a padded room in a strait jacket gibbering to the man in the mirror about being the one we have all been waiting for.
Go Nancy Go!
elduende on January 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM
Las night on MSNBC he blamed Bush…I kid you not…
Marconi on January 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM
And a
childdumbass shall lead them…Good Lt on January 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM
Liberals, like Howard Dean, will never figure this out. The American people aren’t at this time, liberal. They want to succeed on their own. They want to be able to provide for their family. That has been the promise of America, that has been the dreams of Americans. The Democrats are doing everything in their power to take away that dream and they just can’t figure it out. Why would someone want to work that hard, when we’ll help them and provide things for them? That’s what Democrats say and they just can’t figure out why that’s not accepted.
bflat879 on January 20, 2010 at 8:30 PM
thanks for the CW folks!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
My favorite part was where Dean started moaning about the utter absence of Democratic leadership in Washington.
That and the part where they started screaming: “You’re silly!” “No, YOU’RE silly.”
patriette on January 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
You should really watch it…It’s great…Matthews jumps all over Howie….it’s comical….
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
+1
d1carter on January 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Is there anybody here who wouldn’t join me in supporting Dean in a third party candidacy in the 2012 general election.
TXUS on January 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM
At least he didn’t scream when it went in.
unclesmrgol on January 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Does anybody have Howard Dean’s itinerary?
Ted Torgerson on January 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Can we get another YEE HAW from the deanster?
WHY is this guy being taken seriously? On anything?
Liam on January 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM
I love Chris Matthews selective use of logical thought. He has it today, but it’s gone tomorrow.
DFCtomm on January 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Yeeeaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhh.
viking01 on January 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM
HILARIOUS VIDEO!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpevc2t_Frw
The Day ObamaCare Died (Yep, from THAT song!)
UnderstandingisPower on January 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Forget OUT OF TOUCH,the Liberals are totally out to
lunch,and even worse,me thinks there off-world as well!!
canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM
This may seem OT, but it’s not. The Right has been fragmenting itself over personal issues ever since the Left hijacked the national dialogue in the ’90s, as demonstrated in the catfights here at Hot Air and other Conservative safe rooms.
As long as normal people allow the terms of the debate to be established by a small percentage of the electorate by responding to the lunatic assertions of the far Left wing, we lose – and the country can still go down the drain.
Steve McCann in American Thinker today lays it out perfectly with this:
At this point in January 2010, the tenuous, multi-faceted coalition that makes up the grassroots resistance to the radical Obama agenda comprises those opposed to illegal immigration, amnesty, excessive government spending, abortion, gay marriage, taxes, gun control, heath care reform, free trade, foreign entanglements, Wall Street, and those who desire to see every Republican politician hanged. Each group expects the other to agree fully with its signature issue.
It is for that reason that the Left treats the conservative movement with such disdain, knowing full well that this coalition has a potential internal time bomb which can explode prior to any major election. All the Democrats have to do is light the fuse.
We must hang together, or we will assuredly hang separately. The only question remains: Which side are you on?
warbaby on January 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Plausible. Just like when conservatives thought Ronald Reagan was not taking a hard enough line with the Soviet Union and so they flocked to Mondale.
Greek Fire on January 20, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Matthews is a Grade-A jerkwad but for those of you unwilling to watch, that was an utter dismantling of Dean.
Bishop on January 20, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Sounds like a Ron Paul thing, just a guess tho :)
bernzright777 on January 20, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Well I was afraid to mention this over fear of being mocked by you right wingers but now that you have raised this prospect I have found the courage to come out of the closet.
I have long secretly admired Dean and think he would make an excellent choice as the Donk third party candidate for 2012.
Go Dean. Donate $$$$$$$$
Geochelone on January 20, 2010 at 8:39 PM
I heard him too. I nearly fell out of my chair. Last night I was saying the whole thing became surreal. The Left is freaking out!
Guardian on January 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM
I’d like to see Krauthammer comment on Dean’s amazing statement. It seems that when a delusional democrat is confronted with reality, a natural reaction is for that democrat to become even more delusional.
BottomLine5 on January 20, 2010 at 8:41 PM
This was beautiful. Dean kept looking as if Matthews was the crazy one for pointing out the obvious. The sweetest follow up would be Ogremann naming Chrissy “Worst person in the world.”
Southernblogger on January 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM
It’s hilarious to watch Democrats debate when the media hack isn’t on their side. He can’t even handle Tingle.
mr1216 on January 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM
And Howard Dean is a retard…well because he is.
Mr. Joe on January 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM
What. A. Total. Squirrel.
Keep talking Dean! “The People wanted more!”
Pu-leese!
Mathews: The people voted to kill it.
Dean: “People who wanted the public option, wanted real change.”
Total tinfoil hat!!!!
Dean got his clock cleaned, and Wusey Chrissy did it. Wow! Have little green men just invaded our precious, precious but warming Earth??????
Dean: Voters were sending a message to Washington, we don’t want business as usual (um, so they voted for Brown???)????
Dean: “They’d rather have no bill…”
Dean is a tool, and Mathews just threw him under the bus! Sweet, conservative candy!!!!! Yum!
Chewy the Lab on January 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM
Huh? Isn’t there a pot of gold on both ends of the rainbow? Maybe the voters of Massachusetts think that the easier path to gold is to change directions.
Electrongod on January 20, 2010 at 8:46 PM
THIS.
Substitute Matthews with say….Chris Wallace on a day when he’s in a ‘I’ve had just about enough of yer Bull$hit’ days….
Unbelievable…and kind of creepy after seeing Matthews last night where he looked like some one just ran over his dog….
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Howard Dean;
“Frankly Obama, you make Bush look good.”
bongo on January 20, 2010 at 8:47 PM
Ohhh yes! Geo! a liberal third donk party! Let ‘em bring it. I think we can find them an island that they can setup some commune on–Antarctica comes to mind.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:47 PM
This was the reason I would watch his show, but then he became an msnbc hack.
Patricksp on January 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM
BTW,I heard a tidbit,about Fanny and Freddy,
that there was a 250 Million cap,or ceiling,
and Gunthier,in the very late hours of Christmas
eve,pulled it,for 3 more years till 2012!!!
canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM
He’s been floated as an option. I personally don’t remember it being him. But I’m being told I’m wrong.
LibTired on January 20, 2010 at 8:49 PM
I am pretty certain that this was Huckabee during the Republican primary.
dawgyear on January 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Let’s see. Dean said:
18% of Brown voters voted for Obama in ’08
3/5 of those Brown voters support a public option
.
18% of 51.9% of all voters is 9.35%
3/5 of that is 5.6%
Brown’s margin of victory was 5.9% over Coakley
94.4% of all Brown voters do not support the public option, but the 5.6% who do shows Dean that Brown won the election because of voters’ support for the public option.
I think I need a beer.
Tuning Spork on January 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Oops,correction,ugh,not Gunthier,Timothy Geithner,my mistake!
canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Dude’s crazy.
B Man on January 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Screamin’ Howie should have his own show on MSNBC.
After all, he fits all the requirements:
Foams at the mouth at the very mention of BOOOOOSSSSHHHHH!!!.
Face turns beet red and blood pressure goes into the stratosphere at the very mention of BOOOOOSSSSHHHH!
Looks either perpetually peeved off or constipated all the time.
Has been known to spew foul, venomous hate, again at thye very mention of BOOOOOSSSSHHHH!!!.
Would be right at home wrapped in a straitjacket with a Hannibal Lecter-style mask over his face, bouncing with glee off the rubber walls of a padded cell in the Violent Ward of any local funny farm.
I mean, what is he waiting for?
pilamaye on January 20, 2010 at 8:55 PM
I’m in.
We need a third party candidate that will push the tempo, unlike Obama, whose moderate policies have betrayed the left.
justltl on January 20, 2010 at 8:55 PM
I think I need a beer.
Tuning Spork on January 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Tuning Spork: I feel your pain,your dealing with
Lefty brains,reasoning tends to come out
of Liberals backawkwards!!:)
canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM
That was my second record album (first was Jim Croce).
Incredible video!!!
dtestard on January 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM
well they had hoped to set up shop on Atlantis but Cheney’s hurricane steering machine went back in time and sunk it for good. Now the Deaniacs are looking for the flying island of Laputa. Bwaaahhh.
Geochelone on January 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM
That was Mike Huckabee.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/01/25/huckabee_focuses_on_wider_interstate_95_from_maine_to_miami/
Tuning Spork on January 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Last night on talk radio,at 2:00AM,the top of the
News hour soundbite,here is what was said!
”A shot across the bow with everyone in Washington”!
==========================================================
So,talk about clueless,Liberals are attempting to alter
last nights outcome,by painting everyone in Washinton,
and not at the Liberals Party where the anger has been
targetted,and the outcome confirms it!!
canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Thanks, dy. That’s actually who I thought it was.
You’ve just made someone very unhappy. Thank you!
LibTired on January 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Thanks.
LibTired on January 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Can I just say that Christ actually does a good job here? He really doesn’t let Dean off the hook.
AbaddonsReign on January 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM
*Chris. My bad, no comparison to make there.
AbaddonsReign on January 20, 2010 at 9:09 PM
The propagandists have poisoned their own well, like drinking bath water. They can no longer tell the difference themselves.
Geochelone on January 20, 2010 at 9:09 PM
It’s true on Christmas eve, or Christmas they removed the cap on the lifeline to fannie and freddie.
DFCtomm on January 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Perhaps it’s already been said above, but didn’t Dean take a big dump all over OCare two weeks ago?
It was *surreal* seeing Matthews after the concession last night. . he appeared whiplashed, and humbled. And he showed up tonight with some common sense.
A real whuppin’
vinman on January 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Is this link to this Youtube appropriate?
I’m not sure.
Sapwolf on January 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM
I will say this….I think conservatives have probably said a million times that republicans lost in the past because they aren’t conservative enough, and if the choice is between 2 dems they’ll just pick the real deal. This almost seems like the same statement in reverse.
One key difference is that the nation really is center right. A conservative doesn’t usually have to hide or distort his positions to win, where a liberal often does. But this race is frickin’ Massachusetts. Until yesterday, I was quite certain they were playing with a different set of rules in that state.
So, yeah, Howard Dean says it poorly but might have a point hidden there somewhere. I’m quite certain there is a segment in the left that is greatly disappointed that they have huge majorities in both chambers and are cursed with an incompetent stooge that can’t steer the ship and enact an agenda. There is no way an energized democratic base loses in Massachusetts, so he’s partially right. I’m sure the Dem turnout was depressed to some degree because of disappointment in Teleprompter Jesus.
Where he is wrong is that this all came about because he overreached too far to the left initially. He pissed off the independent part of his support and then disappointed the lefty base anyway. If he had the stones to disappoint the base in the first place, he would have been able to manage any dissent from the right and center.
This clip is really funny, don’t get me wrong, but it really tells you how incompetently Obama has handled this. Somehow through this whole process, he has managed to alienate the left, center, and right….and they’re all right in their own way!
stldave on January 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Uhoh. Another one down the tubes. Paul Krugman:
“I have to say, I’m pretty close to giving up on Mr. Obama, who seems determined to confirm every doubt I and others ever had about whether he was ready to fight for what his supporters believed in.”
Chuck Schick on January 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Supporters of a public option sent “smoke signals” to Zero by voting for the guy that said he’d kill the bill. Too funny.
Maquis on January 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Allah.
Why must you torment us with videos of people we can’t stand.
I’d rather watch another episode of Taiwanese Leno/O’Brien.
madmonkphotog on January 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Obamacare is dead!
Obamacare is dead!
They tried to shove it down our throats!
We teabagged them instead!
Golden Boy on January 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM
And oh yeah, I’d love it if Dean decides to run from the left in 2012. I wouldn’t rule it out altogether either. If they take a bloodbath in 2010, there is going to be a decent segment that will push for it.
Of course, we all know that it is the republicans that are in civil war.
stldave on January 20, 2010 at 9:16 PM
I didn’t believe AP until I listened to the interview. Matthews does have a functioning brain. Too bad, he uses it so infrequently.
thuja on January 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM
The civil war on the right is quiet for now and the one on the left has just escalated in ferocity.
pedestrian on January 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I’m gonna need more popcorn.
redwhiteblue on January 20, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Isn’t Dean a doctor?
Wow, how did he get through med school? I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my being!
bridgetown on January 20, 2010 at 9:29 PM
Exactly!
PoodleSkirt on January 20, 2010 at 9:30 PM
I didn’t see Dean rolling anything in his hand when he went on his tirade about Democrats not being loyal to the cause.
pedestrian on January 20, 2010 at 9:31 PM
joepub on January 20, 2010 at 8:26 PM
Good call…you were right.
joepub on January 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Howard Dean’s comments make complete sense …
.
Once you realize that he is completely unelectable.
.
Yeee-aarrrrghhh.
Arbalest on January 20, 2010 at 9:39 PM
Glad I could help.
dawgyear on January 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM
You just keep telling yourself that, Howard the duck…errrrr Howard Dean! ;)
capejasmine on January 20, 2010 at 9:45 PM
We need to enlist ‘Omaha Conservative’ on behalf of a Dean-lead, break-out, uber-liberal screwball third-party; THAT boy really stays ‘on-message’ where money-raising is concerned ;-)
CaptFlood on January 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM
May Howard and his comrades be blessed with a plethora of such victories come November. So let it be written, so let it be done.
MB4 on January 20, 2010 at 9:56 PM
There are no Republicans in Boston. Never!
I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that the Republicans have started to commit suicide under the ground of Virginia, New Jersey and now Massachusetts. We will encourage them to commit more such suicides quickly.
Desperate Republicans!
You can go and visit all over America, all 57 states. Nothing there, nothing at all. Only Democrat checkpoints. Everything is okay.
Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them.
- Baghdad Howie
MB4 on January 20, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Dean’s answers were brilliant.
They were spot on, demonstrating his keen insight.
And not at all the insanely twisted ravings of a clueless poltroon.
justltl on January 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM
How stupid do you have to be to let Chrissy Pissy Mathews tear you up. If Dean were any dumber, he would have to be watered once a week.
mwdiver on January 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM
In fact, I would offer this as a campaign slogan for him for 2012.
“Vote for Howard Dean.”
“Because he’s not nearly as insane as he appears to be.”
“Seriously.”
“He’s on meds now.”
“Trust us.”
justltl on January 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Maybe a little wordy?
justltl on January 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM
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