Axelrod on ObamaCare: Failure is not an option
posted at 7:40 pm on January 20, 2010 by Allahpundit
No? Sure sounds like an option to me. Presumably Ax is clinging to the fantasy of reconciliation as a deus ex machina — Clyburn alluded to it tonight on CNBC, Grijalva talked it up to TPM, and Conrad, the Senate’s budget honcho, says he’s ready and able — but we’ve already been over this. If they’re too afraid of voters’ wrath to even delay seating Scott Brown, where are they going to find the balls needed to ping pong the Senate bill through the House and then do an end-around Brown’s no vote by revising the signed bill in the Senate through reconciliation? The optics of Brown’s win are actually tougher for the Dems than losing the supermajority: With all the national attention on the race and the irresistible meme of having the bluest of blue states essentially vote to veto ObamaCare, anything they do now to try to ram it through makes it look like they’re spitting in the face of the electorate. Which they are.
Not good enough? Here are 10 reasons rattled off this afternoon on Twitter by the estimable Jay Cost why reconciliation ain’t happening:
(1) It will look sketchy to do after Brown wins. Might drive away moderate D’s.
(2) You get a swiss-cheese bill. Anything not related to budget gets dropped.
(3) Bill has to be sunseted if it raises the deficit by even a little bit after 5 years.
(4) You’re going to lose votes in the Senate based on principle.
(5) You drag out [ObamaCare], further depleting whatever political capital the D’s still possess.
(6) You hand GOP another issue for 2010. I guarantee they’ll aruge: “D’s go ‘nuclear’ to get around will of public.”
(7) You give Mitch McConnell an opening to exercise his parliamentary chops in the Battle of the Byrd Bath.
(8) The D’s left flank will say, “Hey…if we’re doing reconciliation, give us the public option!” Is that a battle to revisit in 2010?!?!?!
(9) You make it substantially easier to kill [ObamaCare] in future. If 50 votes created it, 50 can kill it.
(10) You run the risk of getting less than 218 in the House and losing anyway…
Number 9 is especially shrewd. The GOP’s not going to be able to repeal ObamaCare if it passes under normal procedures, but if the Dems use a nuclear strike to get it through, a counterstrike circa 2013 is only fair. The buzzword of the moment: Disarray.
Exit question: Assuming they do decide to commit mass political suicide with reconciliation, do they have 50 votes in the Senate? Lincoln’s polls are now so toxic that they’d be starting with 58. Subtract Nelson, Lieberman, Webb, and Bayh and you’re down to 54. Who else?
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How about running away?
RalphyBoy on January 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM
These people are in shock! They’re obviously getting hammered by their own left TO STAND UP AND FIGHT. The reality is, they do that, THEIR DEAD MEAT IN NOVEMBER. Only problem is, their extreme left doesn’t care. Look for several more days of this crap as they try to placate their base.
GarandFan on January 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM
IN “D” NILE
Rovin on January 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM
The exit doors are locked and chained…and the fire is burning
PatriotRider on January 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM
These are the same people who said George Bush was trying to destroy social security when he pointed out that without reform the system was going to collapse. Oh no, they said, everything was just fine they said.
But health care reform? You know if they really wanted to come up with ideas they could have been more transparent, more inclusive, more open minded.
Terrye on January 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM
When BarryCare finally dies, I’ll have a tinge of disappointment. The dem infighting and general drama surrounding this whole mess has been my main source of entertainment since midsummer.
innominatus on January 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM
Ax looks a little shaken…Chicago thugs always act tough right before they run.
d1carter on January 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM
Too late, Axelrod.
HornetSting on January 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM
I thought Failure was an Option of ObamaCare, Section C Group2.
portlandon on January 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Two of the scariest things about this administation is that they don’t care what Americans think and will battle those that think differently.
txag92 on January 20, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Why? Why is the cost of healthcare a problem for the Federal government to solve. It may or may not be a problem; it could be large, small, virtually insurmountable for people; makes no difference, people have to figure out how to deal with it, not the Federal government. The Feds have to deal with the question of Medicare/Medicaid costs, but that only a tiny piece of the current legislation.
johnsteele on January 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM
I keep telling you guys – you can get excited over changing the Senate from 60/40 to 59/41 all you want, but that’s not as big as so many are acting.
Bottom line is this – If you’re a Marxist radical hell bent on destroying… I mean “fundamentally transforming” the economy and country along with it, you won’t stop until you’ve brought us to the point of no return… I’m concerned that we’re already there ($106 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities), but these people will ensure it or die trying.
RightWinged on January 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Love this line…BUT that tank is on EMPTY.
NY Conservative on January 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM
+10
It’s Towering Inferno, with nobody to lead them out.
portlandon on January 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM
You’re right, AP. That #9 is a great point by Cost. And it’s a comforting one.
JKahn913 on January 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM
This was most famously said by Gene Kranz the legendary NASA flight director. axelrod and that worthless bama mouthpiece gibbs are NO Gene Kranz!!!
jgdp on January 20, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Not disarray , Quagmire.
the_nile on January 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Who else?
Florida’s Bill Nelson, perhaps. He received a much less publicized bribe covering three counties in Florida for his vote. He might not stay on if that gets dropped.
Jack M. on January 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM
heh
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Baghdad Bob.
El_Terrible on January 20, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Have no fear. The infighting and finger-pointing will go on.
ICBM on January 20, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Failure is not an option – but it is a political reality.
Your tears taste delicious.
DeweyWins on January 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM
We won, Axel Fooley. Were you the one that rode Nanzi and put her away wet?
GnuBreed on January 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM
Ax is the most dangerous man in America followed by Plouffe. These are some scary guys.
ndulik on January 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM
spin away axelboobie
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM
I fail to understand #9. Can/Will someone explain?
I thought any later Congress can undo what an earlier Congress did. They aren’t rewriting the Constitution, are they?
unclesmrgol on January 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM
I guess it is, what with all this “Year One” rubbish.
Hey, let’s celebrate Zero’s first year, full of failure.
reaganaut on January 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM
I guess they’re still under the illusion that BHO is too big to fail.
madmonkphotog on January 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Axelrod is one derby away from being Oliver Hardy.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Good piece here: The Coming Democrat Counteroffensive.
Rational Thought on January 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Doesn’t Biden have to be around to pass something thru reconciliation?
I thought he was conveniently going to be “out of town” and wouldn’t be around in order to get Scott Brown seated.
They have to pass something, they’ll find the votes otherwise Barry has nothing to talk about in his SOTU speech.
Knucklehead on January 20, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Great concern RW. But don’t think last night wasn’t also a referendum on these liabilities and an electorate that if finally saying enough is enough. Filibustering the health care bill isn’t the only “new tool” in the box. Republican’s are far more united to stopping this spending madness than the Dems, who may have been hit on the head last night. It’s all about JOBS now—every Democrat’s job.
Rovin on January 20, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Any health care “reform” that does not include TORT reform, fixing our legal problems in the medical world, IS A JOKE.
stenwin77 on January 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Come back!! I fight you with my eyebrows!!!
Maquis on January 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
You use that phrase. I donna think it means what you think it means.
At least not how you used it. Especially since it’s always been there and we all knew about it.
rihar on January 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Like Pat Cadell said, if they play any procedural games with Obamacare, it won’t be merely suicidal, but their Jonestown.
TXUS on January 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Not to worry, Bill Nelson is O.U.T. in November.
Key West Reader on January 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM
rovin: you are the one who has given me a little hope. the Republicans can find some backbone now–they learned it last night from the MA election.
kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Is this what zealots do?
They have had a come to Jesus moment and this is what they take away from it?
Lord help us if a real enemy goes up against the WH.
jukin on January 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Sorry, Axelrod, that train has left the station.
OBAMA IS AN EPIC FAILURE.
stenwin77 on January 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM
You just know Axelrod and Gibbs were smelling their fingers before they went on camera…
Seven Percent Solution on January 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM
also, the swiss cheese or piecemeal approach won’t work now. we’re all so tuned into everything they are doing in Congress.
aren’t we? right?
kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Jesus, Axelrod and Gibbs sitting together???
That must explain why Chris Matthews ripped Howard Dean a new one…
All the Stupid/Lie/Obfuscate matter in the known universe was in one spot at the same time…..
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Sounds like Arod is thinking of some way to swing a republican to vote for cloture, then they only need 51. What inducement (and what spin to cover it) can they come up with to turn one republican?
Or are they thinking of changing the Senate rules on cloture? I’d love to see that.
Skandia Recluse on January 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Call me crazy, but I don’t think the message sent last night was that the voters want more procedural games.
rockmom on January 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Baucus – He’s from Montana
Begich – Alaska
Boxer – She’s running just 6 points ahead of her rivals
Conrad – North Dakota
Feingold – He’s been getting testy lately with Obama & libs
McCaskill – She’s freaking out
Enoxo on January 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM
jukin, you brought up a good point about the WH denial of their policy ruination.
wonder if we were being attacked by an enemy with missiles (or underwear bombs?). would AXE & GIBBIE lollygag on the WH lawn saying that the emperor DOES have clothes?
kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 8:04 PM
It looks like this Scott Brown cat is gearing up to work with the White House. We’ll see if I’m wrong…
The Dean on January 20, 2010 at 8:04 PM
When is some reporter going to grow a pair and ask David Axelrod why his two biggest clients have turned toxic to the voters? Why is this guy still on a government payroll???
rockmom on January 20, 2010 at 8:04 PM
enoxo: baucus is part of the problem, not the solution.
kelley in virginia on January 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Doesn’t matter. Whichever way they go, they are in trouble. By the right or the far left.
It’s the Economy, stupid!!!!
And the American electorate is awake. The Tea Parties will not die off. We won’t go to sleep.
The economy isn’t getting any better any time soon. They keep trying to push this stuff….they better wish for something to take the News Cycles away….You know what? Scratch that thought. We’ve got a disaster in Haiti and that did not keep voters from paying attention to the Mass. election.
We’re onto them.
Finally. I thought people would wake up to the workings in DC after 09/11, but with Obama and Pelosi, etc. We’re Eyes Wide Open. And they’re shakin’ in their boots.
wooot!
bridgetown on January 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Obamacare is now Jonestown, Drink up Barry and Co.
Daveyardbird on January 20, 2010 at 8:08 PM
The only chance they had was for the House to pass the Senate Bill with no changes. But the House Dems hate the Senate Dems almost as much as they hate the Republicans.
Barrycare 1.0 is dead. Who knows if Barrycare 2.0 will rise, especially as the SOTU speech next week will rotate the gaze of DC – like the great eye of Sauron – to jobs and deficits. These guys are sick, sick of the healthcare debate.
johnboy on January 20, 2010 at 8:08 PM
Speaking of ‘ol Bobby Byrd…
You just know he’s gotta be on ice some where.
Seven Percent Solution on January 20, 2010 at 8:08 PM
Feingold is very liberal, but very much a process guy…I’d think he might jump ship on it though I have no substantive quotes to support that.
I also think McCaskill, here in Mizzou, would be in a very bad spot politically if she didn’t. Rhetorically, she’s been careful to acknowledge the opposition when everyone else was mocking it. I don’t agree with her on much, but respect that she tried to hold the town halls and took the arrows. She won in large part by positioned herself against the way things work in Washington. Somehow it worked. She signs up for a tactic like that, in a state like Missouri, and she can just call herself a one term senator right now.
stldave on January 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM
I’ll second that!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM
The rules for what can pass with 51 votes in the Senate are limited to tax and budget items. If they say that X is purely a tax and budget item, then so is -X.
pedestrian on January 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM
All these lead trial balloons are dangerous to our health. Wear your hard hats!
SouthernGent on January 20, 2010 at 8:10 PM
I’ll go out on a limb here…
Yer WRONG Mr. Potato Head……
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Hate to be a goul…I’m actually related to him distantly…but what happens if Byrd takes the big dirt nap soon??? Is his seat filled by an appointee until it expires, or just until a special election is held?
Chewy the Lab on January 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM
Axelrod, is Snidely Whiplash, without the charm.
tessa on January 20, 2010 at 8:12 PM
Not for the Ominpotent One, and damned if he ain’t gonna go and prove it.
Dusty on January 20, 2010 at 8:12 PM
Assuming they are not complete morons, they know about alternative ideas which would lead to real reform, but they prefer the ideas that lead to cushy government jobs for their various constituencies and lead to a permanent voting bloc dedicated to increasing the size of government. They’re parasites, through and through.
venividivici on January 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM
I gots a question:
Can you monetize “political capital”?
BigAlSouth on January 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Stuck on Stupid
Dingbat63 on January 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM
I get the feeling Matthews doesn’t like Howey. Watching the liberal Dems eat their own is going to be fun in the months ahead.
Rovin on January 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM
It’s almost like the battle for Iwo Jima. They (the communists/democrats) are dug in, but have no way to get re-enforcements or more supplies. They can either surrender or die. Meanwhile, we keep marching up the beach head with flag in hand. We will plant the flag. Again.
SouthernGent on January 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM
Don’t sell yourself short Axelrod…..
I think failing is all that these people are good at….
Dick Turpin on January 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM
HotHeads—Plan, brief and execute OPPLAN Obamacare Infinite Extermination. FORBID the shelving of the plan, continue the deconstruction of the bill, continue the sunlight, and find all the unscrupulous authors and steal their macbooks.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM
Can’t the Senate just pass the House Bill with reconciliation, and pretend that it’s legal? Who’s to stop them? The Senate Parliamentarian? The Supreme Court?
They do whatever they damn well want, and nobody ever stops them. They’ll try this. Just watch them.
Haiku Guy on January 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM
Wow. Look at that picture. Those two make used car salesmen look like vicars.
LibTired on January 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM
Nelson was elected in 2000, KWR. He isnt up again until November 2012. This fall’s Florida election between Rubio & Crist is to take over the seat vacated by Martinez.
Jack M. on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
You left out an Obama administration option SG. They can be read their rights.
Rovin on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Pride come before the fall.
Dorvillian on January 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Considering how this whole thing has been going, before Sen. Brown’s election, I have to assume there are some folks that are happy that this is falling apart. I have serious doubts about whether it would have passed even without the election, it’s not like Pres. Obama is the only narcissus in D.C..
Cindy Munford on January 20, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Freedom is an option.
viking01 on January 20, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Ahh, very good question grasshopper. I heard her quote about, “Getting the Washington wax” out of the ears of reps, but I thought, she’s the first one that championed ramming this abortion (no pun intended) down our throats for our own good. Has she had a change of heart?
If you’re in STL, you perhaps listened to Reardon today (I only caught a little of him).
I haven’t heard Claire say absolutely that she will vote against this. Whatcha think?
Chewy the Lab on January 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM
I actually pictured Obama as being smart and pragmatic early on considering his willingness to totally recreate his positions during the general election. I guess I was wrong if he is still pushing his lemmings along towards the cliff.
Southernblogger on January 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM
What do you mean?
PrincipledPilgrim on January 20, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Failure is your only option.
BottomLine5 on January 20, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Who else?
Blanche Lincoln, D-AR, maybe?
DaveS on January 20, 2010 at 8:23 PM
I’m not sure the Democrats can ever figure out what happened last night. If Obama wants to believe this is about George Bush, and the last 8 years, let him believe that.
I’ve been around the block a few times and I think I have a feel for what this is all about. People wanted change,change from the same old Washington stuff. Obama promised change. What did he do? First thing he did was fly to Virginia and tell Republicans, if you’re going to tell me Republican ideas, go home that’s the politics of the past. We were elected for change so you’re not invited to the table, unless you agree with what I’m going to do, because your ideas aren’t welcome.
The Democrats have no trouble absorbing a message like that so, when it came to cap and trade, no problem, health care, no problem, stimulus package, no problem.
Well, the American people just told the Democrats, it’s not only your agenda it’s how you approached it. I firmly believe that the backroom deals, shutting out Republicans from the process, and then trying to ram it through Congress, you’re not going to get our vote.
bflat879 on January 20, 2010 at 8:23 PM
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Yeah… And the in pic on Drudge right now it looks like Obaby was crying. Plus, Obiden is standing behind him with a ‘I know you got you ass handed to ya son, but buck up and get out there anyway.’
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Ha ha!
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RalphyBoy on January 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM
The only thing I can find in the West Virginia constitution is this as it relates to Congressional delegations is this..
It says nothing about Senators, so, pursuant to Article I, my uneducated guess would be that WV would have to hold an election.
If someone is in WV and knows better…please share!
SouthernGent on January 20, 2010 at 8:26 PM
I’ve been wondering about the 59th senator, Arlen Specter. He has Sestak on his left in the Dem primary, but has to fake out he’s a moderate for the general against Toomey.
He’s been trying to convince the PA Dems he is a genuine Dem convert, but at the same time, has to win the important Philly suburbs in November.
The “you proles will just love Obamacare when we explain it to you in words of one syllable” argument won’t fly with suburban voters who know it means higher taxes and restrictions on medical care.
Wethal on January 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM
ObamaCare: Failure is not an option
War on Terror: Meh
redzap on January 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM
All I can say is Thank God for David Axlrod.
You can’t fix that stupidity. When Clinton got his butt kicked in ’94, he turned to Dick Morris.
Democrats didn’t like that, but Clinton got 4 more years because of it.
Is Obama going to listen to Axe? I hope so.
There’s no telling how many seats they’ll lose in Nov if they listen to this guy.
Two words: Civil. War.
B Man on January 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM
It’s probably a statute, Southern Gent, so it’s probably in here. I’m skimming …
Dusty on January 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM
No civil war. Just a successful rebellion that ousts the dems/marxists and their lackeys (in November). We’ll rout them before they can fight back.
BottomLine5 on January 20, 2010 at 8:35 PM
This is the same kind of vague dog$hit True_Dink was laying out in tightly coiled piles in all the Scott Brown threads yesterday…’You’re going to be disappointed’….
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM
To fill a WV senatorial vacancy:
Dusty on January 20, 2010 at 8:42 PM
It’s not just the cost of healthcare, it’s the fact that people with very minor pre-existing conditions are often locked out of the healthcare insurance system entirely (esp. if you live in a state with only a couple major insurance providers).
As for the price of healthcare, the government is the only agent that can force change to improve the current system. This doesn’t necessarily mean a single payer model, but effective deregulation to allow more competition and innovation. And change has to happen at some point. As a nation, we simply cannot afford the current healthcare system, especially as the population ages and competition abroad becomes even more intense for American corporations. Our healthcare system is massively inefficient and wasteful. At many level, it fails to incentivize both providers and patients to save money. It costs dramatically more per capita than another other country’s healthcare system, without providing superior or even similar results.
I’m not saying that American medical technology, doctors, and hospitals aren’t the best in the world. The problem is the return on investment. America is on track to spend 20% of its GDP on health care, without even offering universal overage. When the cost of insurance becomes a primary driver of labor costs, how can the US compete with Germany, not to mention Asian countries? It’s already a huge problem for the automakers and will continue to place a serious burden on economic growth as more and more resources are diverted to other sectors to pay for healthcare costs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States
bayam on January 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM
He’s going to start by delivering a steaming pile of unwanted hopenchange that Massachusetts has piled in the back of the truck. He’s going to dump it on the South Lawn then go vote down healthcare–how’s that for working with the White House.
Scott Brown to White House gate guy: “Open the gate, bub!”
gate guy: “Yes sir….*sulk*”
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM
Nice work! WV has been trending Republican, but it’s chock full of democrats at the state level, including the governor.
SouthernGent on January 20, 2010 at 8:45 PM
This is a joke, right?
neurosculptor on January 20, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Gibbs to Axelrod: “Can I shave your back.”
Axelrod to Gibbs: “Yes, here is the lotion.”
Seven Percent Solution on January 20, 2010 at 8:49 PM
I did get to hear his show for a bit today, which I rarely do. Pretty good show. I haven’t heard her say anything specific either, and doubt she will say it in explicit terms one way or the other unless she had to. Either way she goes she loses a portion of her voting bloc, so I’m sure she is crossing her fingers that it doesn’t come to that. I’d think behind closed doors that she is urging against using this tactic, and her “Washington wax” comment signals it.
stldave on January 20, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Nope. Pass it under budget rules, and kiss it goodbye under the same rules.
Maquis on January 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Ok…eeewwwwww!
BigWyo on January 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM
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