And now, a cautionary note
posted at 9:30 am on January 20, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
In the wake of an unimaginable political victory in Massachusetts for Republicans, the celebratory mood is understandable. Scott Brown came out of nowhere in a period of three weeks to wrest the crown jewel of Democratic Senate seats from Harry Reid, to deny Barack Obama his supermajority, and to give new energy to a movement that had already managed to stall Obama’s signature legislation for months longer than anyone really expected. Those circumstances have not just launched new energy but also prompted some fantasies that will inevitably come crashing back to Earth.
The wildest of these fantasies, and surely not one meant terribly seriously, promotes Scott Brown as a candidate for the Republican nomination for President in 2012. Brown is a formidable presence, as Martha Coakley and the Democrats discovered too late, but do we really need another former state Senator with next to no experience in national politics on a major-party ticket? Brown has a good sense of fiscal conservatism, but falls closer to Rudy Giuliani than to Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on social issues, which is one of the reasons Rudy got an invite to Massachusetts and prominent social conservatives did not.
Besides, Brown has to worry about his own re-election in 2012. He got elected to serve the remainder of Ted Kennedy’s term in office; Kennedy died three years after winning his final term in 2006. The elimination of Martha Coakley means that Democrats will throw a stronger candidate against him in two years, although Coakley was the one candidate who had won statewide office and had the largest constituency. The circumstances that allowed Brown to win a decisive victory yesterday may well change significantly by 2012, although so far the White House and Congressional leadership seem to indicate it won’t.
Either way, Brown has to demonstrate independence and policy stands that put him in the best position to keep independents on his side if he has any chance of beating the Democrats while they’re awake. It’s worth pointing out that 2012 is also a presidential election, and the turnout models are going to turn in a tough direction for Brown because of it. He’s going to have to campaign for the next two years to prepare for a very tough election, one he’s at best 50-50 to win.
This brings us to the second fantasy, which some are taking a little too seriously. People have suggested and even demanded that Scott Brown give the State of the Union response next week on behalf of the Republican Party. He would no doubt make a compelling speech, but he would undermine the sense of independence that he carefully cultivated during his short campaign. Brown made it clear in his victory speech that he would not forget that:
Thank you very much. I’ll bet they can hear all this cheering down in Washington, D.C. And I hope they’re paying close attention, because tonight the independent voice of Massachusetts has spoken. …
Fellow citizens, what happened in this election can happen all over America. We are witnesses, you and I, to the truth that ideals, hard work, and strength of heart can overcome any political machine. We ran a campaign never to be forgotten, and led a cause that deserved and received all that we could give it.
And now, because of your independence, and your trust, I will hold for a time the seat once filled by patriots from John Quincy Adams to John F. Kennedy and his brother Ted. As I proudly take up the duty you have given me, I promise to do my best for Massachusetts and America every time the roll is called.
He only mentioned the word “Republican” once, in a pledge to work with both Democrats and Republicans in Washington. Brown’s smart; he knows his audience and his state, and he isn’t likely to make himself the national face of the GOP in his first week on the job.
Finally, Brown’s victory means an end to Harry Reid’s supermajority, which makes the radical agenda he and Obama have pursued unlikely to succeed. This is a much-needed brake on runaway government expansion, but it isn’t Nirvana by any stretch. Brown will be likely to vote for a scaled-down version of health-care reform (as would be Snowe, Collins, and perhaps a couple of other Republicans) that still would be the wrong direction, just not as bad as what’s on the table now. Democrats still have an 18-vote majority in the Senate and a House majority of over 70 seats. They can do a lot of damage in the remainder of the 111th Session, so we have to maintain vigilance and keep up the energy.
We didn’t cross a finish line last night — we crossed the starting line.
Update: Glenn Reynolds writes a long-form essay to sound a cautionary note as well:
But while Scott Brown could get elected as the anti-Obama figure — and while others will be able to pull that off in the fall — the GOP needs to be sure that it doesn’t just look like it’s lining up for its turn at the trough. Polls show that most Americans want smaller government, even with fewer “services.” Running on a platform that money’s better kept in voters’ own pockets, rather than handed over to special interest logrolling and vote-buying, will work: If it’ll work in Massachusetts, it should work pretty much anywhere. It is a fashionably-gloomy line among some on the right to say that the country’s too far gone in statism and the government-handout parasite culture to support such an approach — but again, if you can make it with this in Massachusetts, you can make it pretty much anywhere.
Of course, what the GOP apparat does is less important nowadays than it was. As I noted before, there’s a whole lot of disintermediation going on here — Scott Brown got money and volunteers via the Internet and the Tea Party movement, to a much greater degree than he got them from the RNC. Smart candidates will realize that, too.
And lies don’t work as well as they used to. Obama promised transparency and pragmatic good government, but delivered closed-door meetings and outrageous special-interest payoffs. This made people angry. If Republicans promise honesty and less-intrusive government, but go back to their old ways, the likelihood that the Tea Party will become a full-fledged third party is much greater. Are the Republicans smart enough to realize this? I don’t know. The Democrats weren’t smart enough to look at Virginia and New Jersey and realize that what they were doing was a mistake that would backfire.
Good advice; hopefully the right people take it.
Update II: Jazz Shaw says that Republicans should remember that Brown is a lot like the Republicans that used to get elected in the Northeast:
But as you mull these things over, I ask you to ponder one other question. Is Scott some sort of mystical creature, never before seen in the GOP, sent down from on high to confound you? No, he is not. Scott is actually quite typical of the kind of Republicans we elect to various offices in the Northeast all the time and have been doing so since the days of Eisenhower. Call him a moderate. Call him a RINO. Call him whatever you like. But he came to the race knowing exactly what he had to do in order to win as a Republican in this part of the country. Plenty of Republicans do the same thing every season. And they are consistently pilloried for it across the conservative blogosphere.
When Scott Brown turns out to be pretty much at the same lunch table with Olympia Snow, don’t act surprised. And if you can manage to hold your temper in check, don’t browbeat him for it. That’s how we roll in the Northeast. You were never going to elect a firebreathing, bible belt conservative in that seat. But you did get a win… an important win.
I’d put Brown more in the mode of a Judd Gregg, but Jazz is right about learning to elect Republicans who share core values on fiscal policy that can actually win elections.









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well said Ed!
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 10:40 AM
–Sure. But is it the American or the British army playing the instruments?
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Thanks for the post, Ed. From some of the the reaction around the blogsphere, it’s unsettling to read some people endorse him for President!
It reminds me of a team that just scored a basket and is standing around cheering each other on, while the other team has already inbounded the ball, is running down the court and easily scores a basket.
He was the right person at the right moment and he did a superb job at capitalizing on the mood of the country. We’ll see what happens a year from now, when the euphoria about this has worn off.
Instead of touting him for President in 2012, let’s see if he can win re-election first. That’s going to be tough for him because by 2012, the Dems will be ready for the challenge and thirsty for revenge.
yogi41 on January 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM
a Brown victory in Mass is equivalent to a touchdown runback off a kickoff by a freshman kid in the national championship game. We can’t bet the whole next season on him, we have other things to consider and plan for.
Eggs, multiple baskets.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM
The compelling plan should be that they need to reduce costs. The government can’t do that. That’s what we have been fighting about. No socialized medicine! Rush told us how much cheaper it is to pay out of pocket. Smaller government is the key. McCain and Romney don’t believe in that. This notion that healthcare is a right is wrongheaded. Scott has stopped it for now, but the fight is far, far from over. The goal should not be a little socialized healthcare. It should be privatized health care.We have been lulled into Medicare, Medigap, Medicaid, etc etc. All these programs do is to increase the money that healthcare costs. I don’t know what the answer is now, but I do know that these programs were started to hypnotize the electorate. They have done their job and now everyone thinks that the government owes them. Social Security, the same. Thank you Lyndon Johnson and FDR. All of it is failing and there is no money and people are dependent on these very bad programs.
BetseyRoss on January 20, 2010 at 10:24 AM
–So what’s wrong with the insurance exchanges and no public option in the Senate version of ObamaCare?
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Politics is the art of the possible, and to be elected, any politician has to win the votes of at least half his/her electorate. While I disagree with Giuliani’s views on abortion, he was elected to two terms as mayor of New York City, which is even bluer than Massachusetts, and was probably the best mayor that city ever had. It’s better to have someone in office who agrees with you 80% of the time than none of the time.
Steve Z on January 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Excellent post Ed. Baby steps, everyone. This is just the start.
Hobbes on January 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM
it’s irresponsible for drudge to be touting him as a POTUS candidate. Let the Dems pick guys like that, not us.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Are there really people touting this guy as a 2012 Presidential candidate? That’s crazy talk. I could see it in 2016 if he is able to hold the seat that long, which is doubtful.
As for his RINO bone fides — he is pro tax cuts, pro spending cuts, anti cap-and-tax, pro school choice, against amnesty, against giving terrorists Constitutional rights, and pro 2nd Amendment. Is it his stance on abortion that makes him a stinking RINO, or are there other things I’m missing? Because he seems like a solid, if moderate, conservative to me.
holygoat on January 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM
jetboy on January 20, 2010 at 9:38 AM
One of the of the most overlooked features of the 2008 campaign, that was masked because of the obsessive bent of the MSM to accuse Sarah Palin of not being qualified to be VP because she was not ready to assume the presidential reins if McCain died, was that McCain was old (72), looked old, and was not all that inspiring because of his lack of energy in being old. In exit polls many voters cited McCain’s age and lack of vitality as why they did not vote for him. Couple that with McCain’s stance of illegal immigration, the Bush tax cuts, climate change and McCain-Feingold, McCain also possessed too much baggage for several millions of conservatives who either sat out the election of voted 3rd party.
In the case of Scott Brown, he is a lot younger and energetic and doesn’t have the baggage of a long-time veteran of Washington. And finally the animosity directed at Obama is way more evident among independents than was during the 2008 campaign where George Bush was a key issue that decided the election. And conservatives in Massachusetts did not sit out this election or vote 3rd party.
technopeasant on January 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM
agree with you there ted
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Scott Brown is firmly grounded in reality.
There is NO WAY he would consider a presidential run in 2012.
That would be as ridiculous as a freshman senator from Illinois running for president having only been in office a very short time and…wait a second…
sultanp on January 20, 2010 at 10:47 AM
So is that an admission that a certain National Party is really Socialist?
Chip on January 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Let me get this straight:
A pro-choice Republican win in Massa-freaking-chusetts is evidence that the national GOP platform needs to foresake the unborn?
What are you people smoking?
CDeb on January 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM
We Won, We Celebrated. Now we continue the Attacks until everything the Enemy has built is Destroyed.
ronnyraygun on January 20, 2010 at 10:50 AM
He’s got two stunningly beautiful daughters too. That make him instantly qualified.
Rovin on January 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Great post Ed! Time to celevrate? Yes, but only today. Ed’s final point is what concerns me the most.
You will still have many people pushing government more government involvement in the health care market. And there are plent of Republicans politicians that still lean towards a preference of dealing with the unintended consequences of too little liberty than too much.
Cause it involves more government You know what a tru insurance exchange is? A free market. Tear down the walls between the states and allow health insurance companies to sell across state lines without being subject to that state’s coverage mandates.
WashJeff on January 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
For decades, the Dems have defined our candidates for us based on one issue: abortion. If our guy is against it, he’s bad for us. If he’s for it, he’s bad for us. In the meantime, all other matters, which are really more important to people’s daily lives, go unnoticed and are forced on us by the Democrat Party whether we want those things or not.
There’s no such thing as an ideal candidate. If I need a dollar but can get only 80 cents, I’ll take the pennies.
Liam on January 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM
And you are unfortunately an idiot if you don’t buy your own plan instead of pissing away money to COBRA for 18 months. It takes less than a week to get a policy of your own privately. Too many morons like you out there think it’s all Gov’t and Employer responsiblility to provide you with insurance. Get your own damn insurance and quit whining.
And you are unfortunately an idiot for STILL thinking health care and health insurance are the same thing.
Nothing about you losing your job, or COBRA, or whatever other lame-ass excuse you just gave does not deny you health care here in reality.
uknowmorethanme on January 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM
We need to build the HotAir OPPLAN Alpha–House version and OPPLAN Bravo—Senate Version.
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Plan, and execute.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Great Analysis Ed. I agree, we can’t start jumping the gun. It’s a good start, but we need to make sure Brown keeps the promises he said he would and hope that he doesn’t get power hungary like some of the others in the government.
Brat4life on January 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM
To some people, anything short of total Anarchy is socialism.
Keep f*cking that chicken Alex Jones.
uknowmorethanme on January 20, 2010 at 10:55 AM
And that is about the only thing in the article that was good, rocket scientist that Ed is, he got one thing right, a common sense thing.
WoosterOh on January 20, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Are you saying that last night was not a repudiation of Obama’s policies, when Rasmussen’s exit poll shows that it was?
kingsjester on January 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM
–I can’t get individual insurance because of pre-existing conditions. I would have to get catastrophic insurance in Texas which runs about $2600/month. And I don’t want to bankrupt my family by not having insurance.
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM
–The people of MA don’t like ObamaCare in its current form. They don’t have to, because they have something very similar already in MA. I don’t see an overwhelming majority of MA voters rejecting other aspects of Obama’s programs (other than overall spending) What I do see is a desire to have some form of divided government in DC with checks and balances, a desire to cut back taxing and spending and frustration with incumbents of both parties. Maybe I’m missing something.
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Exactly. People call him a RINO because of his stances on things that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
That is why his record shows him leaving social issues to the people, cause he’s a RINO.
Nobody, not Republicans, not Democrats, not conservatives, not liberals should be legislating morality.
Some still don’t get it. Attempting to legislate morality and all this BS is what alienates most center-right folks for the far-right kooks out there just like it makes the Democrats look like Nanny-state fans.
Translation: It’s OK to legislate the morality that social conservatives want, but it’s blasphemy against the Founding Fathers if social liberals want to legislate morality.
Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
uknowmorethanme on January 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Two things. It violates the right to free trade and it is immoral to require Mary to pay for Jane’s insurance (and worse to coerce Mary to pay for her own if she chooses not to do so).
That is a personal tragedy and I’m sure most people here sympathize with you. (I, too, can not afford insurance and badly need medical care that I can’t afford.) But if you truly want to have affordable health care/insurance then push for a truly free market. That will lower the costs continually to the point that all but the poorest of the poor could afford it, while giving everyone else enough spare cash to engage in more charity.
I know you won’t like that suggestion, but historically and logically it is solid. The laws of economics are no more forgiving than those of physics.
JDPerren on January 20, 2010 at 11:04 AM
I am sorry that your family is in that position, but please support policies that respect the freedom and property of other people across this country. A founders created an awesome governmental structure in this country.
You can:
- Fight to have Texas mandate insurance coverage for all and have it provide coverage for those that cannot get it through insurance companies.
- You can move to a state, MA for example, that provide universal coverage.
I am sure there are other options too. None are probably easy, but our system of government provides ways for people to solve problems while respecting your fellow citizens liberty and property.
WashJeff on January 20, 2010 at 11:07 AM
If a pre-existing condition is your issue, most, if not all, insurance plans offer some kind of way around that, whether it be waiting periods or higher premiums, which you noted.
Why should your pre-existing condition be ignored in order for you to get lower premiums that the rest of us have to subsidize? That’s a you problem, not a rest of us problem, so don’t force it upon me.
Go cancel your auto-insurance policy then try to renew it after you get in an accident and report back to us how that works out.
uknowmorethanme on January 20, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Beware the GOP. They will simply compromise and create a half socialist bill.
True_King on January 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM
I see quite a number of folks putting up the “biblethumping snakehandling intrusive social conservatives” strawman this morning.
I think this has more to do with Scott Brown being a bit of a blank slate than it does with anything that actually happened in Massachusetts.
Are the Democrats and social conservatives in danger of drawing the wrong lessons from last night? Sure they are. So are the fiscal-con/socially moderate types thumping their chests on this thread.
Just because something works in Massachusetts does not make it applicable to everywhere else. Unfortunately for those of you who wish to jettison abortion and other inconvenient social issies, the GOP cannot win by only appealing to Massachusetts independents and moderate democrats.
A Balrog of Morgoth on January 20, 2010 at 11:09 AM
No need to curse. I don’t listen to Alex Jones, I can’t stand him, I listen to the wise words of Thomas Jefferson, as opposed to you who bows to the establishment.
True_King on January 20, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I am less thrilled about a “Republican Win” than I am about knocking out a 40+ year stranglehold incumbency. Some long sitting R’s need to get the hell out also.
With the new information age, politicians have fewer rocks to hide under. I firmly believe that NO seat is safe, on either side of the aisle.
I believe this outcome is more a repudiation of the statist/corporatist/corruptocrat regime in DC, than anything. Lets continue the monmentum to clean the up the toxic spills in Aisle D and Aisle R. “Career Politician” should be an oxymoron.
riverrat10k on January 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM
So what’s wrong with the insurance exchanges and no public option in the Senate version of ObamaCare?
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Two things. It violates the right to free trade and it is immoral to require Mary to pay for Jane’s insurance (and worse to coerce Mary to pay for her own if she chooses not to do so).
–I can’t get individual insurance because of pre-existing conditions. I would have to get catastrophic insurance in Texas which runs about $2600/month. And I don’t want to bankrupt my family by not having insurance.
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM
That is a personal tragedy and I’m sure most people here sympathize with you. (I, too, can not afford insurance and badly need medical care that I can’t afford.) But if you truly want to have affordable health care/insurance then push for a truly free market. That will lower the costs continually to the point that all but the poorest of the poor could afford it, while giving everyone else enough spare cash to engage in more charity.
I know you won’t like that suggestion, but historically and logically it is solid. The laws of economics are no more forgiving than those of physics.
JDPerren on January 20, 2010 at 11:04 AM
–Thanks, JD. I don’t have a problem with the individual mandate. I know people say it’s different than a requirement to have auto liability insurance because you don’t have to have a car, but I see it as being similar, because I see the health insurance requirement as protection against costs imposed on the system and others with insurance (in the form of write offs) by those without health insurance. I know most people here disagree.
The truly free market point is fine with me, but the big question is how to determine the pools to use to cover risks. Do you have one pool for all people that want insurance or various subpools for people depending on age, health, etc. That’s why individual insurance is impossible to get for us–because if we’re a pool of one, the costs will be sky high.
Jimbo3 on January 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM
“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/EndoBegn.html
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on January 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Yes. I have been baffled by the assertion that “conservatives deserted McCain” as well. It seems to imply that conservatives stayed home to spite him, which may very well have been the case if it was McCain by himself, but it wasn’t.
Sure there may have been much soul searching and doubt after McCain won the primary. Many conservatives I spoke to out here in CA are from the east coast and were not happy with McCain. My argument was; well would you rather have Obama?
But that all changed after the convention.
In the aftermath of selecting Palin the base was never more invigorated. One can cite the large draw at Palin rallies and the embarrassing lack thereof at McCain rallies.
I went out and campaigned because of the total ticket. Every conservative I ever spoke to was freaked out by Obama, whereas moderates were willing to give Obama a look, and incredibly, liked what they saw; like Colon Powell and other allegedly middle road pundits who swooned over barry.
If anything the moderates are the ones who abandoned McCain and some did so for the purpose of spiting Palin. That is what Powell did.
So the bottom line is that I never understood the “conservatives deserted McCain” meme.
I think it is grounded in an agenda to blame conservatives and not grounded in fact.
If anything it was the moderates who jumped over to barry. And jumping to the opponent is far worse than merely sitting out the election.
I think the “conservatives deserted McCain” meme, when it is not derived from outright dishonesty, derives from reading the many comments by conservatives who bashed McCain. This was extrapolated into the idea that conservatives didn’t vote for McCain/Palin.
If conservatives did desert McCain/Palin it certainly wasn’t Palinista conservatives.
Now on to the future. Time to enjoy the fruits of our renewed vigor.
UNITY will take us to the promised land.
Geochelone on January 20, 2010 at 11:14 AM
If you’re still needing some help with your health care Jimbo, I’ll be needing someone to do odd chores around the ranch. The fresh air might do you good too.
hawkdriver on January 20, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Mass voters didnt like the bill, they didnt like the backroom deals, they didnt like the fact the negotiations were done in secret. They didnt like the corruption in Congress.
Their vote wasnt just because they didnt like the bill. They dont like the Chicago thuggery of this new administration.
becki51758 on January 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM
This is one of the most idiotic phrases in modern American politics.
EVERY law on the books is based on someone’s judgement of right vs. wrong. Every law legislates morality. Let’s not act like abortion laws or other “social” issues are anything special.
CDeb on January 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM
The Senate version holds policies for preexisting conditions to 3x average last I checked so given the average family policy at $1200, your situation will not improve.
Chuck Schick on January 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM
It’s just first battle won in a very long, difficult war to return the country to the people. This is the first quarter of a four quarter game and Brown just returned a kick off for a touchdown – but this is just the start folks. Maintain focus and composure and play to win.
journeyscarab on January 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Anybody notice how Barney Frank now thinks the standard of consensus required to pass Obamacare should be 51 votes, even though the bill itself would require (if I understand correctly) 75 votes to get rid of the death panels?
I think democrats and republicans in Massachusetts came together because the change they want isn’t what either democrat or republican establishments have offered so far: fair rules that don’t change, laws being followed, real transparency, and no backroom deals.
I think this nation has been through political hell similar to what the rank-and-file Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq went through: the common people were turning to militias to protect them from the murderous other side. There was nobody to trust to be fair to everybody. That’s where the US military stepped in. When things got bad enough, the Anbar Province led the way in giving up on wanting their own special interest to triumph and settled on just wanting JUSTICE. I think America may be getting there.
I really hope we can capitalize on that sentiment. Nebraskans hate the “Nebraska kickback” worse than anybody, because we’re not cheaters and never want anybody to be able to say we’re cheaters. We want to win, but we want to win fair and square. That’s what most non-politicians want, and that’s what we need to get our politicians to understand.
I think the public is keenly aware that there is no Harvey Dent who can save us. The Washington cesspool will corrupt everybody. I think that’s actually the message of Ben Nelson. I don’t want an all-Republican Congress. I wouldn’t trust them, because absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think we need to wrap our heads around that fact of life. I think that by ignoring the Tenth Amendment, saying that the Commerce Clause allows anything Congress could even imagine doing, we’ve given Congress too much power to choose favorites and buy votes.
I think we need to get rid of political appointees in law enforcement positions and increase public accountability for elected folks in law enforcement as well. Did anybody honestly expect Martha Coakley to investigate the libel charges against Martha Coakley’s campaign? This is the same Martha Coakley who THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION wrote a press release alleging election-day fraud. People are sick of the political mafia literally getting away with murder that they are in charge of investigating.
I think we do need to view this election as a start, but I think we make a mistake if we fail to realize how much cooperation between rank-and-file democrats and republicans this win took. There are concerns that are common to all common-sense people, and I think we need to capitalize on that goodwill and common vision for real justice and freedom, rather than couching this as a “Republican” win.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Then don’t expect free money from everyone. If you are looking for charity, come out and say it.
Count to 10 on January 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM
By themselves, not much. I have no issue with a Swiss-style approach either. The real issue is that the “reforms” (and I know how important these might seem to you given your present circumstances) all increase costs rather than decreasing them. I don’t think you can make a credible case based on the public health literature that the investments in preventive care, excise taxes on Cadillac plans and the few other trifles around the edges compare in any way to the cost impacts of adding 30 million folks, adding guaranteed issue, etc. It’s just implausible on the magnitudes.
They’re hoping that the subsidies will keep people from noticing, of course. The bill punches a hole in America’s roof and tries to sell us plastic sheeting and umbrellas in exchange for votes. It’s pure rent-seeking behavior designed to turn us all into supplicants. No thanks.
DrSteve on January 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM
+100.
LASue on January 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Thank God for all good things! America wanted what it needed, an independently conservative shot in the Senate’s body.
Great Scott! Balls O’ Fire! Brown won! A new day is dawning as the sun rises from the east.
Bravo, Boston Tea Party patriots! Well done, indeed, remembering our Constitution and acting with integrity in the CITIZEN’S RIGHT to vote.
And best wishes to Sen. Brown, who will descend on Capitol Hill post haste from the home of our vigilant founding fathers that include John Adams. May God bless Brown with wisdom and courage, as his path is plagued with intrigues.
Brass tacks.
Advice worth remembering from Elder Joseph Brackett, Jr. (1797-1882) as we dance in celebration.
maverick muse on January 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Social authoritarian “conservatives” are not genuine conservatives.
Cylor on January 20, 2010 at 11:31 AM
As as for Allahpundit? For God’s sake, he gave us the robot last night. WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!
(wink)
Cylor on January 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM
O/T … Allah got a mention and it’s running on a AOL Homepage headline!
Sphere (Jan. 19) — Sarah Palin may be considering a bid for the White House in 2012, but it seems most Americans would rather that she not.
According to a CBS poll, 71 percent of Americans don’t want the former Republican vice presidential nominee to run for president. Despite widespread speculation that Palin could be on the next GOP ticket, 56 percent of Republicans said they don’t want the former Alaskan governor to run. Not surprisingly, Palin fared even worse among other voters: 65 percent of independents and 88 percent of Democrats said they didn’t want to see her run for president.
A new CBS poll finds that 71 percent of Americans don’t want Sarah Palin, the former vice presidential nominee who recently became a Fox News contributor, to run for president in 2012.
During her first week as a Fox News contributor, Palin was coy about the possibility of a 2012 presidential run. “You know, I’m not going to close any doors for my future, for my family’s future — don’t know what’s in the future, what it holds, but between now and whenever a big decision has to be made, I’m gonna do all that I can to help our country get back on the right track, and that’s to get a message out there about solutions that I believe and a whole lot of Americans believe need to be plugged in,” she told her audience.
The CBS poll found that conservatives are the only ideological group that hold a favorable view of Palin, and most of them — 58 percent — say they don’t want her to run for president.
In the blogosphere, some conservatives expressed skepticism about the poll results. Hot Air’s Allahpundit blogger, for example, wasn’t buying it. “Does anyone seriously believe that only 43 percent of Republicans have a favorable view of Sarahcuda?” he asked Monday, citing a 2009 Gallup poll from July that found that 72 percent of Republicans and “Republican-leaning independents” held a favorable view of Palin.
Since then, a book tour and the new gig with Fox News have made Palin more visible than ever. But the CBS poll found that only 26 percent of Americans view her favorably today. And if that’s accurate, it may mean that the more the public has gotten to know Palin, the less affinity it has for her.
At least one blogger was relieved. The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan, no fan of the ex-governor, seemed enormously comforted by the news. “Well: Here’s One Reason Not to Give Up,” he wrote, linking to the poll.
Texas Gal on January 20, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Listening to Scott Brown now- he continues to sound smart, reasonable, and very much NOT driven by ego, but by a real desire to do what his constituents want.
LASue on January 20, 2010 at 11:36 AM
There’s a continuum between “social authoritarianism” and anarchy. Laws governing everything vs laws governing nothing. We need to draw the line on when something is society’s business and when it’s only our own business. Not always easy to do, because everything we do ultimately impacts others as well. When is that impact actually criminal? And does government’s role go beyond executing justice, to actually protecting people from themselves and their own choices?
Those are the questions, and I would really welcome genuine dialog in our country on those issues. Too deep for most people though. The society’s been so dumbed-down and the media is a sad, sad joke.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Scott Brown is not a Conservative out to the right. He is more to the center and may even upset some Conservatives with some of his votes. So, it is time to relax on all these fantasies.
Scott Brown will be promoted and highlited by the lame stream media because he is similar to McCain and the lsm would want him as their guy rather than people like Palin, Bachmann, etc. who despise the lame stream media.
So, keep an eye out for the fawning by the lsm.
PhilipJames on January 20, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Right. They’ll rail against the “hypocrisy” of legislating morality, and then are shocked, shocked, shocked that anybody could impose mandates on their purchases or treat their wages as a national resource and they get the runt’s share. Cause that’s, you know, wrong.
Why should anybody suffer that just to avoid bankrupting your family? Actually why would your family go bankrupt? If you’re that toxic there are steps you can take to insulate your spouse and many of your assets from your personal debt. Even if you wound up filing personal bankruptcy, there’s hundreds of thousands of dollars of exemptions for the equity in property. It reminds me of the SCHIP debate, where people were just agog that us far-right kooks actually dare demand they stop taking welfare and sell some real estate to pay bills. Don’t we believe in bettering oneself anymore???
Chris_Balsz on January 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM
There is a difference between laws that address contending rights and laws that deal with private choices. People differ on which category abortion falls.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM
So laws prohibiting murder and stealing should not be legislated?
Your argument is absurd.
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM
BS.
I’ll give you a little help here: ABORTION IS MURDER. IT IS NOT A “CHOICE”. Since when is it okay to murder an innocent unborn child without due process, yet spend millions of dollars for the defense of a serial murderer’s due process?
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM
“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/EndoBegn.html
NOV 2010 is the beginning of the End.
NOV 2012 is THE END FOR OBAMA.
Go Team America!
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on January 20, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Crap!! The people had received a brilliant victory last night and they should be able to elate in it for at least a little while; more than 24 hours. The real world will catch up with us soon enough.
docdave on January 20, 2010 at 11:48 AM
1.) My point is that people differ on whether there are contending rights. Pro-choicers don’t believe that a person exists until some weeks after conception.
2.) Due process is required for every person the government wants to convict. If the murderer is convicted he’ll lose many of his rights, possibly life.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM
“Some weeks”? Like how many? “A person”? What the hell does that mean? What is it then? Your vagueness does not help your “argument”.
Non sequitor. You make no sense.
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I think the Christmas Day bomber may actually end up helping us address the issue of personal boundaries (personal privacy). We will not be able to detect all potential explosives until we have full body cavity searches.
Somehow, “My body, my choice” doesn’t sound so compelling when screamed by a terrorist with an explosive in his rectum waiting to blow up 300 people. Because we recognize that him blowing up his own body is one thing; him blowing up SOMEBODY ELSE’S BODY is not just a private choice though.
And right there the whole logic of abortion is blown to bits.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Are you on the fence about dueling?
Chris_Balsz on January 20, 2010 at 11:53 AM
I do not think Scott Brown is Pro-Abortion. He just knows Roe v. Wade is not going away anytime soon. If you look, he favors parental consent, against government funding and prefers adoption over abortion.
Roe v. Wade is not going away anytime soon and Pro-Life Conservatives need to adopt their Pro-Life stance to the reality.
Holger on January 20, 2010 at 11:55 AM
I’m OK with it.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 11:55 AM
People, a debate about where Scott Brown fits on the RINO
/ Conservative scale is like debating how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
There is a mortal danger in this country, and it isn’t terrorism, it is the fascists who will now escalate the pace of their power grab.
Anybody opposed to them is our ally.
The threat from the left is real, it is more blatant than ever, and it is mortally dangerous. Their Health Care power grab will kill thousands. Their destruction of the economy has already crushed the lifestyle of millions and probably killed thousands. That danger is real, it’s palpable, it is happening, and they won’t stop until they are crushed and burned.
Scott Brown’s views on abortion are irrelevant.
He won a huge victory, but it is only one of the hundreds that we need.
We should thank him and give him our total support.
notagool on January 20, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Dedalus, Islamists believe that infidels are NEVER real “people”. Adolf Hitler got the German parliament to rule that Jews are not real people. The Dred Scott decision was that Blacks are not real people. Roe v Wade was that conceived children are not real people. Cass Sunstein believes some folks are never real people. Hindus believe that no homo sapiens can be as sacred as a cow.
At some point the term “person” has to be determined according to either biology or philosophy. Roe v Wade was a decision that it depends ENTIRELY UPON PHILOSOPHY.
Are you comfortable with that?
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 11:57 AM
That’s true in California, too. And although I’m a social conservative, fiscal conservatism and national security are more important to me. I’d just a lief have the government out of social policy, especially the federal government. Most social policy can be handled better at the local level.
March Hare on January 20, 2010 at 11:59 AM
This is where we take stock of our tools.
1. Fund raising: Brownie got a moneycarpetbomb–that helps, online giving in small change amounts pushed him over the top.
2. Grass roots–folks on the ground sending out info. Lowell Tea Party guys email me all the time on this race
3. Message–we’re winning on this one. Obama is making it easy for us to do so with such a hard left agenda.
What do we need to do better? Debate? Demonstrations? Columns?
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Thank you, I agree completely.
Thankfully he was savaged like DeeDee Scocafava in NY 23, I guess because he was needed and she wasn’t.
AprilOrit on January 20, 2010 at 11:59 AM
You are simply making an assertion rather than offering an argument. Due Process is reserved for people, not any biological entity. You can’t believe that anyone accused of murder by the government should lose Due Process.
The fetus gets incremental rights as the pregnancy progresses. It should get more. However, it will never get full Constitutional rights at the point of conception.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Dedalus, do you subscribe to the view that a biological human being can be measured as a percentage of a person?
Does it make you at all uncomfortable that we say a biological human, with its own boundaries and DNA, is oh, say, three-fifths of a person?
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM
I emailed drudge and said that considering Brown for president today is like considering obama for president the day after he got elected to the Senate. Let the guy do the job he was elected to do first.
Irresponsible. I disagree with drudge on this one.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM
It’s outside the scope of my original argument, though Roe does take biology into consideration by shifting rights from the mother to the fetus by trimester.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Rush is, for the first time in his life, proud of Massachusetts…!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 12:07 PM
James Brown on Rush—I feel good!!!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Day of Celebration declared by El Rushbo—and a “beginning” supporting Ed’s point on this thread.
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Which is totally inconsistent on the part of the Roe court, since they had said that when life begins is IRRELEVANT. They said the biological status is irrelevant. So why the deal with the trimesters?
In the end the trimesters don’t matter at all anyway because they also decided Doe v Bolton, which decided that as long as a living child would threaten a mother’s social, financial, or emotional “health” it qualifies for the chopping block anyway.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 12:09 PM
We did when we believed the biological differences between races, and genders, were much greater, and affected the ability of individuals to be responsible citizens. As science progressed we learned many assumptions were wrong. However, the biological differences between a fertilized egg and an infant remain vast.
dedalus on January 20, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I agree with Ed.
Metanis on January 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM
rush must have been reading this thread this am
cmsinaz on January 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM
LOL, dedalus and the 3/5′s Compromise.
You belong with the party of Jim Crow, not the GOP.
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 12:13 PM
That’s why live-birth abortions are not considered to be criminal child neglect. The fully-born, living child is still a threat to the mother’s financial, social, or emotional health.
What hasn’t been decided judicially is when a living child ever STOPS being a threat to a mother’s financial, social, or emotional health.
Or how the government can justify any child-abuse laws when neglect of a living, fully-born child – premeditated to result in death – is legal under the penumbra of a “woman’s right to control her life”.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 12:14 PM
dedalus would have sided with the Court on its decision that blacks are not “people”. He would have sided with the Nazis that Jews are not “people”.
dedalus, you are on the wrong side of history, and shame on you.
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 12:14 PM
I agree. It’s absurd. Let us first see how he does as a Senator before we jump to conclusions.
atheling on January 20, 2010 at 12:16 PM
If biological differences means size, independence, appearance, etc, then there are huge biological differences.
But there are huge biological differences between boys and girls, between blacks and whites, between teenagers and 50-year-olds. Yet all are persons. Would those “biological” differences justify allowing one to kill the other just because they are different? It defies the whole concept of both justice and valuing diversity.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 12:16 PM
FIFY.
In the other New England state, things are not so blue and this morning the lib pols are all changing their underwear.
In the other NE state last week a GOP sweep occurred, but no one reported it.
dogsoldier on January 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Roe v. Wade should be overturned on the basis that it is badly decided case law alone.
Holger on January 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Which is why Stalingrad is the better term to describe what happened last night. We have halted the forward movement of the agenda but it will be a long bloody and costly war to drive it back.
chemman on January 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Really this should strengthen the hand of the Traditionalist SoCons who want to get the federal government out of our lives and bedrooms, and get back to a stronger sense of federalism. Pushing morality from the top has wound up with Larry Craig and a number of others showing that they did not mean Social Conservatism for themselves.
When perceived as rotten at the top, there is no way to get a SoCon conception through from the top. Thus the Traditionalist Conservative pushing for federalism, State activism and local prudence for a federal system may be better suited than the glitzy, big push to get in Congresscritters that can’t live by what they say.
Pushing rot from the top is the liberal agenda, why follow it unless you enjoy pushing rot?
If you want to get rid of the rot, you need to start at the other end and grow it upwards. To reinforce society you need to actually do just that: reinforce private social institutions at the bottom. That can change the society’s attitude and build a stronger sense of local morality and ethics… that finally gets you better candidates, but it takes years to do that.
I’ve always thought the Traditionalist form of Social Conservatism made a lot of sense. That means not investing your social hopes at the top, save to stop the rot being pushed there. The energy needs to be at the bottom to build families and get the damned government out of the lives of ordinary Americans.
ajacksonian on January 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Now there’s something I can vote for. Tell Kay BAILOUT her name’s on the list.
Blacksmith8 on January 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM
As a Massachusetts resident myself I’d just like to say to everyone here who’s whining that Scott Brown might not be conservative enough, please remember that we are talking about a Senator from Massachusetts. You are not going to do any better than him in such a liberal state. He will have the fight of his life just to get re-elected in three years since the Dems will make sure they put up a much better candidate next time around. Scott Brown may not be as conservative as I’d like but I think it’s a miracle that even a soft conservative like him could get elected here. We have to deal with reality here. Massachusetts is not Utah or Mississippi! Sorry to break the news here but this is the best you’re going to get from us folks!!
frank63 on January 20, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Holger, in a court today Jane Roe couldn’t even get standing to sue, since she would already have had the child by the time the case could have been heard. They waived the normal “standing” requirement so they could decide a case for a whole class of people.
Yet when Donofrio sued to have the NJ Secretary of State actually follow the law, he was denied standing. Everybody in the whole country was denied standing. It was nobody’s business if laws were being broken. God knows the laws don’t affect any of us little people…
The courts are a sad, sad joke.
justincase on January 20, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Brown’s platform and record show him to be a fiscal, small government and National Defense Conservative. DeeDee wasn’t any on these. And she made it clear with her snit after she withdrew.
chemman on January 20, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Rush’s parody of Obama is on–the day Healthcare Died….HILARIOUS!!!
ted c on January 20, 2010 at 12:26 PM
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