David Brooks: If Brown wins and the Dems pass ObamaCare anyway, they don’t deserve to govern; Update: Bayh warns of “catastrophe”

posted at 6:14 pm on January 19, 2010 by Allahpundit

The perfect complement to the DeMint post in showing how thoroughly Massachusetts has scrambled American politics. Not only do we have principled conservatives embracing moderates, we’ve got one of America’s chief apologists for the “educated class” warning Dems that they deserve to burn if they decide to ignore the will of the hoi polloi for their own good.

The country is now split on Obama, because he is temperate, thoughtful and pragmatic, but his policies are almost all unpopular. If you aggregate the last seven polls on health care reform, 41 percent support it and 51 percent oppose.

Many Democrats, as always, are caught in their insular liberal information loop. They think the polls are bad simply because the economy is bad. They tell each other health care is unpopular because the people aren’t sophisticated enough to understand it. Some believe they can still pass health care even if their candidate, Martha Coakley, loses the Senate race in Massachusetts on Tuesday.

That, of course, would be political suicide. It would be the act of a party so arrogant, elitist and contemptuous of popular wisdom that it would not deserve to govern. Marie Antoinette would applaud, but voters would rage.

Said one Democrat to the Daily Caller earlier today, “If Brown wins, we can’t yet see all of the ramifications — the party switches, the retirements. I lack sufficient creativity to envision how bad this is going to be for us.” Dude, if David Brooks is accusing you of elitism for continuing to pursue this, it should be abundantly clear how bad it’s going to be. Dick Durbin may be putting on a brave face, but Lieberman’s already started talking up what a devastating message about ObamaCare has been sent in Scott Brown being so close in Massachusetts. How are they going to use ping pong to ram the Senate bill through the House if senators like Lieberman, Nelson, et al. start making populist noise a la Brooks about the process being illegitimate or possibly even switching their votes if they had a chance? Especially when Pelosi’s starting with a margin that’s even thinner than it was last time?

Here’s audio of Barney Frank explaining what a constitutional nightmare it is that Democrats haven’t yet been able to pass this fantastically unpopular bill. Exit quotation, emphasis mine: “Despite talk about how the White House wants to ram the measure through, resolve among terrified Democrats will likely crack if not crumble, even if Coakley somehow manages to pull out a win.”

Update: Let the Blue Dog stampede begin.

“There’s going to be a tendency on the part of our people to be in denial about all this,” Bayh told ABC News, but “if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.”…

“The only we are able to govern successfully in this country is by liberals and progressives making common cause with independents and moderates,” Bayh said. “Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country — that’s not going to work too well.”

Someone needs to ask him and Lieberman point blank: If you were voting for ObamaCare for the first time tomorrow, what would your vote be?


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Someone needs to ask him [Bayh] and Lieberman point blank: If you were voting for ObamaCare for the first time tomorrow, what would your vote be?

Great question, Captain! I’m stumped guessing that one.

ConScribe on January 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM

“SAY BUH-BAYH to your nice cushy government job.”

Skywise on January 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

ftfy

Edouard on January 19, 2010 at 6:59 PM

So the age of Obama, pretty much lasted a year and mostly did so coasting along on the campaign rhetoric which quickly got stale. I love it – saw it coming a mile away before this yet still savor it.

Sharr on January 19, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Democrats lost this battle when they insisted on voting in the middle of a dark and lonely Christmas eve night. That is not only duplicitous and sneaky but it is religiously insulting!

Political power is more important than celebrating the birth of our Savior.

These back room deals–bribery–corruption along with the total blackout of information is so completely unAmerican.

It is clear to almost all Americans that our freedom is at stake. The left has determined to take our individual sovereignty and make it their own.

If Brown can pull this out in Massachusetts that is worth up to 25 points in most purple states.

Will it last until this November? Well that depends on how stupid the Republicans prove to be.

The ball is in our court now.

petunia on January 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Who cares what Brooks thinks or says.He is the one who said a few months ago a Republican could not win in New England unless he or she was left of center and supported most of the Obama agenda.Like health care.

thmcbb on January 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Oh I still despise David Brooks…

Sharr on January 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Why does no one have the actual Bayh quote using the word “catastrophe”, though it is quoted in all the headlines? I don’t get it.

neurosculptor on January 19, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Pretty boy Bayh makes me sick. Let him and his lemming progressives plunge off the cliff of HCR.

And woe to any Republican who isn’t onboard the smaller gov’t / tax cut express, too.

WE ARE PISSED

DrW on January 19, 2010 at 7:04 PM

“Despite talk about how the White House wants to ram the measure through, resolve among terrified Democrats will likely crack if not crumble, even if Coakley somehow manages to pull out a win.”

Hope & Change goes up in smoke! The half-term senator from Chicago has failed.

TN Mom on January 19, 2010 at 7:04 PM

STFU Bayh. You made your bed. You chose to ignore us Hoosiers as we begged and pleaded for you not to vote for this drek and YOU DID ANYWAY.

And you have the GALL to sit there and tell us now its time to work together for a common cause?!?

No. Say buh-bye to your nice cushy government job.

Skywise on January 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Bye Bye Bayh!! You really suck at lying.

froginthesky on January 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM

I think there is a dead unicorn in my back yard.

Cody1991 on January 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Progressivism is a cancer

chicagotrauma on January 19, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Bayh is a joke. He hasn’t voted against one of the Dems crap sandwiches yet he has a stern lecture ready about Progressives V. Moderates? Methinks the nerdy one is planning on challenging The One in 2012.

Buy Danish on January 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM

Dude, if David Brooks is accusing you of elitism for continuing to pursue this, it should be abundantly clear how bad it’s going to be.

SECOND LOOK AT SARAH PALIN!

Buy Danish on January 19, 2010 at 7:15 PM

I’m in Indiana, and I can tell you that we know that Bayh made his choice on this with December’s Christmas Eve vote. Our Hoosier decision on him is just as set now. Bye Bayh!

MikeA on January 19, 2010 at 7:15 PM

The Democrats are scrambling to mobilize the “get out the grave vote” before the polls close.

If Brown wins I will say, “For the first time, in the past year, I’m proud to be an American.”

Texas Mike on January 19, 2010 at 7:16 PM

This is proof positive that an ass whoopin’ on your home field, in a game you shoulda won hands down, is very educational. If this were football, we’d fire the coach.

ted c on January 19, 2010 at 7:20 PM

“The only we are able to govern successfully in this country is by liberals and progressives making common cause with independents and moderates,” Bayh said. “Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country — that’s not going to work too well.”

So, he’s effectively saying conservatives can go F themselves? Thanks, “moderate” Mr. Bayh.

Nethicus on January 19, 2010 at 7:20 PM

ewwww…I wasnt expecting to see Barney’s face as I scrolled down. ugh

becki51758 on January 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Twice(?) he refers to the public being wrong in their decision making, yet he never says that they are ever right; he only says with the highest praise that they have a profound sense of balance and wisdom, presumably however when they are at the same time wrong in their other desires about how the governement should govern.

flicker on January 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM

May be Brooks is just pandering because the active electorate today is that of Massachusetts, college state with all the smart, lefty people?

Er… Nah… He’s likely too shocked out of his wits for that kind of sophistry right now.

ConScribe on January 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Because of Brooks choices, over a year ago…he now finds himself on his own precipice. Over, and over, he pandered to Dems, and gave scathing accounts of the evil Republicans. Even if it meant, at times, being a tad disingenuous, in order to bring about his opinion.

Now…his job, like so many other journalists jobs, are probably on the line. So what does he do? Slides a bit from the left to get near the center, and try to bring some legitimacy back to his lack of credibility.

As for Bayh, and Lieberman…to little to late. If they were to keep their seats, and Dems somehow managed to keep a majority after 2010…don’t for one moment think they wouldn’t try to push this crap again. And yes..they’d follow party line, and vote for it.

capejasmine on January 19, 2010 at 7:25 PM

If Brown wins I will say, “For the first time, in the past year, I’m proud to be an American.”

Texas Mike on January 19, 2010 at 7:16 PM

If Brown wins I’ll say that for the first time on my adult life I am proud of Massachusettes.

MikeA on January 19, 2010 at 7:25 PM

If you aggregate the last seven polls on health care reform, 41 percent support it and 51 percent oppose.

This is one of the things that I despise about people like Brooks. The word average could easily be used there. It is actually a better verb since in this context to aggregate 7 polls is to sum the results of 7 polls, not to average. But I guess average is a word Sarah Palin would use while aggregate is a word Obama would use, so….

angryed on January 19, 2010 at 7:26 PM

becki51758 on January 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM

At least it appears he wiped his nasty chin for the photo.

MikeA on January 19, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Democrats lost control of everything when they chose to ignore and ridicule the tea party outcries of 2009! Tonights election is just the first time they are getting a clue of how badly they screwed up in doing so! They can spin it all they want but THEY NOW KNOW!

dddave on January 19, 2010 at 7:31 PM

But I guess average is a word Sarah Palin would use while aggregate is a word Obama would use, so….

angryed on January 19, 2010 at 7:26 PM

No. Mr. “profit and earnings ratios” would use, “er … uh …. roll …. uh … put on a table together … in a pile …”, with the appropriate dialect for the audience.

neurosculptor on January 19, 2010 at 7:32 PM

Oops. Actually, he would say,

“er … uh … roll … uh … put on aaay enormous table together … er … in a pile … thingy …”

neurosculptor on January 19, 2010 at 7:34 PM

I say that if they pass it with rconciliation, then we repeal it with reconciliation… Sure it’s illegal but they started it. We need to play the same dirty games they do.

jeffn21 on January 19, 2010 at 7:36 PM

I live in Indiana and the Evan Bayh who was Governor in this state would not have supported a bill like this…but somehow or other Bayh the Senator went along with it.

Terrye on January 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM

VoyskaPVO on January 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Thanks for correction.

Cindy Munford on January 19, 2010 at 7:47 PM

ewwww…I wasnt expecting to see Barney’s face as I scrolled down. ugh

becki51758 on January 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM

At first glance I thought it was a mug shot from that whole ‘boyfriend running a prostitution ring out of his townhouse’ thing, but then I realized he’s a Dem; they don’t have to pay for their transgressions.

Red State State of Mind on January 19, 2010 at 7:48 PM

I live in Indiana and the Evan Bayh who was Governor in this state would not have supported a bill like this…but somehow or other Bayh the Senator went along with it.

Terrye on January 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM

I second that – however, DC is a cesspool that tends to taint those that reside there. I do think, though, that many Dems have been on the O-bandwagon for too long and the leadership convinced the Dems that a yes vote wouldn’t hurt them. Bayhs comments were a bit too quick for someone that is supposedly not concerned about the wishes of the voters back home. Rather, his comments strike me as someone that just took his first step towards a full sprint away from Obama and his policies. Sucks to be Barry tonight.

volnation on January 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM

If THIS ain’t change you can take to bank, I don’t know what is.

ConScribe on January 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Who is this, as if I need to hear his consul?

jukin on January 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM

LIVE ELECTION RESULTS & CHAT: Scott Brown vs Martha Coakley: http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/19/live-election-results-chat-scott-brown-vs-martha-coakley/

dnlchisholm on January 19, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Why do we hate the educated?

jukin on January 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Bayh has been running scared for months. No townhalls, no office visits scheduled, even his voicemail was full and unattended. Definitely didn’t want to hear from his IN constituents, so spare us the platitudes. We are flushing Bayh like the turd he is.

indypat on January 19, 2010 at 8:10 PM

“if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.”

Unfortunately, you will not wake up the ideology-above-truth liberals. They will skip merrily down the path of destruction, making excuses for the atrocities they instigate the whole way. No moral law is too large and no human suffering too outrageous to bend to their ideological will. History has shown this repeatedly.
 
There is only one solution to dealing with these ideologues. They must be removed from politics and stopped from proselytizing in our schools. They pose a clear and present danger to our free republic.

ClanDerson on January 19, 2010 at 8:10 PM

I am not sure why exactly, but I’m sort of liking having a thread that ties Bayh with Bawny Fwank. I think I’ll work on reinfocring that link here at home.

Evan and Bawny sittin; in a twee…

MikeA on January 19, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Krauthammer used the word insurrection today if they push the bill through despite the election.

I think he meant a real one.

PattyJ on January 19, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Why do we hate the educated?

jukin on January 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Liberal dumbing down of education is insulting to intelligent people, would be a good guess imo.

Itchee Dryback on January 19, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Are people from both sides finally starting to “get it”? Are they looking at Pelosi and Reid and Obama and finally figuring out they don’t represent anyone but themselves? One can only hope.

scalleywag on January 19, 2010 at 8:56 PM

We don’t hate the educated – most of us here are well-educated, thus we know that education does not equal intelligence, independent critical thinking, or wisdom.

THANK YOU, MASSACHUSETTS!!

jodetoad on January 19, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Bayh is from a red state and for him to act like he didn’tknow what was going on is BS. The good people of Indiana should throw this milk toast out on his ass. There are a lot of milk toast Dems in red states that are in for a wake up call.

inspectorudy on January 19, 2010 at 10:04 PM

Brooks is positioning himself for shift in power coming in November. A week after he sneers at non-Obamabots as uneducated rubes who just don’t ‘get’ the perfection of Obamaidiotology, he actually thinks we’re all dumb enough not to notice the relationship between the massive defeat of the ‘educated class’ ideology with Brown’s election (HOORAY!!!) and his abrupt change in tune. What a prat.

ProfessorMiao on January 19, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Bayh is from a red state and for him to act like he didn’tknow what was going on is BS. The good people of Indiana should throw this milk toast out on his ass.

inspectorudy on January 19, 2010 at 10:04 PM

I have no idea how this liberal douche is holding a seat in Indiana, but in this environment, he could get flamed. I wish he was running tomorrow.

Jaibones on January 19, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Bayh is just responding to Brown\’s blue state victory and thinking \”uh oh. I am in a red state!”

cs89 on January 19, 2010 at 10:56 PM

It’s as many says.. the rat is realizing the S.S. Hopenchange is sinking, so he’s scrambling onboard the Bluedog life boat

Razgriez on January 19, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Let Scott Brown’s victory be a revelation to all Democrats and Republicans that they had better change their ways and become true conservatives or we the people will continue to toss their political asses in the fires of hell. No longer will we the people tolerate the crapweasels who have treated us like mushrooms (Feeding us $h!t, lying to us, and keeping us in the dark)

Best Regards

hamradio on January 19, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Don’t we need a profile and some numbers for Barny. Or is that to come later.

davo on January 20, 2010 at 12:00 AM

I had no idea how many Hoosiers posted here. I sent Bayh an e-mail regarding his website posting about this healthcare bill “not being perfect but better than doing nothing”. I basically told him that it would have been much, much better to do nothing. Especially when that is what YOUR CONSTITUANTS want. He better be applying for our grossly extended unemployment benefits come November!

FinallyRight on January 20, 2010 at 3:57 AM

Now is the time to get Team Obama to cut back,
and trim some government,with the exception of
the US Military,as that would be,hands off!!

Since Team Liberal has zero productivity,and no
thing accomplished,and went on a spending spree,
he should set an example,and start trimming som
e of his government!!!

canopfor on January 20, 2010 at 6:40 AM

STFU Bayh. You made your bed. You chose to ignore us Hoosiers as we begged and pleaded for you not to vote for this drek and YOU DID ANYWAY.
And you have the GALL to sit there and tell us now its time to work together for a common cause?!?

No. Say buh-bye to your nice cushy government job.

Skywise on January 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Can’t top that. Just a big amen and blue skies, my Hoosier brother.

SKYFOX on January 20, 2010 at 8:16 AM

Bayh is simply trying to cover his bases. He’s been elected and re-elected in Indiana because he acted like he listened to his constituents, he has been somewhat fiscally moderate and hasn’t really had strong opposition in the past. That ends with a lot of hard work and campaigning this year.

I’ve written his office so many times, that they have to recognize my email address. At first I got the “form” letter responses – lately nothing. I wrote him after his vote for Sunstein, I wrote him prior to the health care vote – numerous times, I wrote him after his holy vote on Christmas Eve. I’ve called his DC office and here in Indiana – never a live voice and the vm is full. I wrote to him AFTER reading his little snide comments made behind closed doors – how he came to DC to pass legislation like health care and how he couldn’t bear to see Rep faces afterwards if it didn’t pass. He virtually disappeared from sight. Until now, and he has the audacity to say we better all work together and get along?? BS AND he better look long and hard at this Conservative’s face….. He has some opposition this year – good men and I intend to work for and support one of them. Bayh is a liar and he can drop the “Blue Dog” tag, because he isn’t – it’s a fake label that he’s hiding behind.

Not that I, alone am of any influence, but I wrote him recently letting him have it for ignoring Indiana voters wishes and telling him I would not vote for him again, that I was campaigning for an opposition candidate, that I have lots of friends that I will talk to and try to educate on the fake that he is and that he shouldn’t be complacent in the idea he’ll get re-elected. I sincerely thought I’d get a response of some sort from his office – silence. A silence that speaks volumes.

So long Evan Bayh, and you might tell our other crappy senator that 2012 isn’t all that far away and he’s destined to go as well.

ladyhawke53 on January 20, 2010 at 8:36 AM

arrogant, elitist and contemptuous of popular wisdom

Oh, you mean like your scribblings about Sarah Palin and her supporters?

PaddyJ on January 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM

ladyhawke53 on January 20, 2010 at 8:36 AM

During the healthcare votes, he sounded kind of squishy for a while and I called and emailed him several times. I got an email response early as well, then they stopped coming. Voicemail was often full in DC and Indy, but I’d call around to his other offices until I found one with space to leave a message usually.

I just hope we can find a good candidate to knock him off. I’d vote for pretty much any of them, but hope we get the best one then unite after the primary.

cs89 on January 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM

So, he’s effectively saying conservatives can go F themselves? Thanks, “moderate” Mr. Bayh.

Nethicus on January 19, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Well, just invert the “liberals and progressives” to “conservatives” to get a feel for his perspective.

Count to 10 on January 20, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Democrats lost control of everything when they chose to ignore and ridicule the tea party outcries of 2009! Tonights election is just the first time they are getting a clue of how badly they screwed up in doing so! They can spin it all they want but THEY NOW KNOW!

dddave on January 19, 2010 at 7:31 PM

They also ignored the Republican victories in VA and NJ, but they were Governors who can only affect state, not national policy. Scott Brown was elected to the UNITED STATES Senate, explicitly running on a platform of being the 41st vote AGAINST health care reform socialized medicine in the bluest state in the country.

Message to Democrats: This isn’t just “right-wing” tea-parties any more. This is Massachusetts, where 51% of registered voters are Independents, and 1.17 million of them said WE DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. Try to force this through Congress, and there are even MORE of us in YOUR district or YOUR state, and YOU’RE NEXT in November!!!

Steve Z on January 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM

“Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country — that’s not going to work too well.”

Yes, Mr. Bayh, this is the cluebat you need to whack your colleagues with!

kooly on January 20, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Where does Brooks get this stuff? The opener should read:

“The country has now spit on Obama, because he is incompetent, thoughtless and ideologically anti-American, and his policies are all unpopular. He has also proven to be an inveterate liar.”

Brooks and Obama have become insufferable or maybe they always were, it just wasn’t so obvious when they weren’t joined at the pelvis.

Ay Uaxe on January 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM

cs89 on January 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM

I’m looking at these 2 gentlemen:
Marlin A. Stutzman (R) and Richard J. Behney (R)

Both have good points and intentions, I need to do a lot more research, but I’m leaning towards Behney – neither have the “war chest” of Bayh, but…. that can be changed.

All I know, is I’m going to do my very best to see that Bayh is not re-elected.

ladyhawke53 on January 20, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Yikes

stenwin77 on January 20, 2010 at 6:00 PM

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