Polls settling: Brown still edges Coakley in the final hours; Update: Another look at turnout models
posted at 11:45 am on January 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
A couple of late polls in the Senate race in Massachusetts indicate that Scott Brown continues to lead Martha Coakley and is positioned for a game-changing upset in the special election. According to a Coakley campaign internal poll, not much has changed since the beginning of the week:
I’ve been told reliably that Martha Coakley’s internal poll for Friday night showed Republican Scott Brown leading by two points, 47 to 45 percent. Her campaign’s three-night average for Friday, Thursday and Wednesday is the same — a 47 to 45 lead for Brown.
This is, obviously, not great news for the Democratic nominee. But it does suggest that Brown’s momentum — which took him from a double-digit gap to the lead in Coakley’s poll in about a week’s time — has been arrested. On Wednesday night, Coakley’s poll put her ahead by two, 46 to 44. On Thursday night, Brown surged ahead by three, 48 to 45. And on Friday, it was back to a two-point race. In other words, a nail-biter on Tuesday looks likely.
Well, it depends on the margin of error, the sampling technique, and the timing. Steve Kornacki notes in an update that this survey took place before Coakley’s jaw-dropping assertion that Curt Schilling was a closet Yankee fan, which may not have much to do with policy but has everything to do with arrogance and being in touch with one’s constituents. Even without that, a one-point shift in a poll does not show much of anything except a little statistical noise. It also doesn’t make much difference to “arrest” Brown’s momentum if Brown’s still ahead with only two days left in the race.
Meanwhile, American Research Group conducted its final poll of the race and reported Brown up by three:
Republican Scott Brown leads Democrat Martha Coakley 48% to 45% in the special Massachusetts US Senate race to replace Senator Ted Kennedy in a telephone survey conducted January 12-14 among 600 likely voters in Massachusetts saying they will definitely vote in the special election on January 19.
Brown leads Coakley 94% to 1% among registered Republicans and he leads 58% to 37% among unenrolled voters. Coakley leads Brown 71% to 20% among registered Democrats. A total of 8% of Democrats and 5% of Republicans remain undecided.
If the Democrats hope to have a better time with absentee voters who cast ballots before Coakley’s collapse, the ARG survey has bad news for them there, too:
A total of 9% of likely voters say they have already voted by absentee ballot, with Brown leading Coakley 58% to 42%.
ARG provides the sampling for their likely voter survey (which we don’t have from the Coakley campaign):
| Dems | 263 | 43.8% |
| GOP | 122 | 20.3% |
| Indys | 213 | 35.5% |
This looks like an oversample for Democrats at the expense of Republicans — and a seriously incorrect model for a special-election turnout in this election. Pollster.com looked at this very issue in September, when Massachusetts scheduled the special election. They concluded that a poll of MA adults gave Democrats a +17, and likely voters a +19 for next November’s gubernatorial race. This sample gives Democrats a +23.5, almost the same gap by which Barack Obama beat John McCain in a heavy turnout election (+26). Given the lack of voter intensity by Democrats and the escalating intensity of the Republicans and anti-incumbent independents, the actual gap for a turnout model should be significantly lower — perhaps by as much as a third.
In short, this is probably more than a three-point lead in actuality by Brown — and I’d bet the same modeling problems are in Coakley’s internal polls as well.
Update: I’ve run the numbers through a couple of permutations using the ARG survey answers. Instead of using the +23.5 Dems survey ARG has, I’ll use the numbers from Pollster.com’s likely-voter scenario and rerun the survey percentages:
| Brown | Coakley | |||
| Dems | 300 | 60 | 213 | |
| GOP | 192 | 180.48 | 1.92 | |
| Indys | 108 | 62.64 | 39.96 | |
| 303.12 | 254.88 | |||
| 50.52% | 42.48% |
In this case, Brown wins by almost eight points, and wins a majority of the vote before the undecideds make up their minds. Now lets look at a sample that uses the 35% independent vote and gives the Dems a +15 turnout in the election:
| Dems | 240 | 48 | 170.4 | |
| GOP | 150 | 141 | 1.5 | |
| Indys | 210 | 121.8 | 77.7 | |
| 310.8 | 249.6 | |||
| 51.80% | 41.60% |
Now we see a ten-point lead for Brown. The turnout model used by ARG and probably Coakley is almost certainly far too optimistic about Democratic turnout, and the race probably has more separation than either poll suggests.
Update II: Reader S averaged the exit-polling data from the 2006 and 2008 races — in which Dems were highly motivated and independents tilted against the GOP — and came up with a 41-18-41 split. In that best-case turnout model, Brown leads by 4.5 points using the ARG survey responses:
| 2006-8 Average Model | Brown | Coakley | ||
| Dems | 246 | 49.2 | 174.66 | |
| GOP | 108 | 101.52 | 1.08 | |
| Indys | 246 | 142.68 | 91.02 | |
| 293.4 | 266.76 | |||
| 48.90% | 44.46% | |||
That’s high-end best-case for Coakley, and she’s still losing.









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At first I thought it was a repeat. I give Beck credit for putting this on and hope he keeps including this group on a regular basis.
PatMac on January 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM
OT: Judas Nelson
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM
It’s hard enough being a conservative~imagine being a black conservative~they bring a different prospective and I LOVE the interaction with Beck and his guests. It just makes me smile~Cousin Pookie~that was classic.
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 3:38 PM
PLEASE SEND $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TO SCOTT
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM
Oh I think this Coakley speech is going to doom her. Keep talking, lady. Keep talking.
Welfare for EVERYONE!
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM
I can’t even listen to the Elitist. I’m watching Fox News with the sound down.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled;
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard ’round the world
MB4 on January 17, 2010 at 4:01 PM
He he comes. He’s got the open collar thing going on again. He’s got all the gravitas of Pee Wee Herman.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:01 PM
He just secretly flipped the bird again. He must have made a bet with Rahm.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:03 PM
Though none of the talent … nor the natural born citizen status.
neurosculptor on January 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM
Open collar. Attempt at a French moustache. This is a POTUS?
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM
Nice work Ed
KBird on January 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM
No. Just a Precedent.
neurosculptor on January 17, 2010 at 4:12 PM
The Great One just got shouted down by a protester at Martha’s rally…He has gotten Obama off his speech…He looks flustered…
Martha’s speech was bland, uninspiring, and desperate!!!!
WOW, the Democrats are SCARED!!!!!
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:12 PM
fify
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:12 PM
LOL! It really unnerved him.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:13 PM
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:12 PM
Heh. I heard Nelson’s getting Digiourno’s or Domino’s from now on.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Yes!
AshleyTKing on January 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Obama is off his game..If I didn’t know better, I’d swear the teleprompter is on the fritz….
He just called Coakley “Independant”..Are you KIDDING me?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:15 PM
Refuse to watch ogabe…any guesses on how many times he uses the personal pronoun? BTW, what is the latest on intrade?
lukespapa on January 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM
I’ve got the sound off. I can’t stand to hear him.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM
They just escorted a 10 year old out of the hall?!
And has bore-roc completed a full sentence in the last 15 minutes?
EZnSF on January 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM
He is slandering Brown, saying “Brown has been running all these negative ads”…WOW, he admits he doesn’t know Brown’s record, then browbeats him for negative ads…..
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM
EZnSF on January 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM
How nice. The party of understanding strikes again.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM
Who did he cut taxes for??? NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Admit the BS Healthscare plan will raise taxes on EVERYONE…
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM
You’re missing some funny stuff. The Precedent just decried the tactic of “demonizing” people (LOL) and then went to say that Coakley (who he just said a day ago, “She’ll be your voice and my ally,”) will be truly independent. And these were just two minor pieces in a one minute span.
neurosculptor on January 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM
More like an Accident.
bayview on January 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM
That was a definite Kodak moment….
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:19 PM
What this election needs now is plenty of poll watchers at EVERY polling place – and follow the people taking the votes to the counting places – make sure they don’t stop to add more votes. Video tape everything(where legally allowed) This is where the RNC should be working. If you prevent voter fraud by the Demo’s then Brown will win.
Corsair on January 17, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Can I have my money back too, Mr. President?
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Great analysis Ed, A+ blog!
FireBlogger on January 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM
That 10 year old will be on Fox and Friends in the morning if they’re smart.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM
OMG~I’ve seen it all now. We can’t interrogate terrorists, but we can kick out 10 year olds.
Crap.
What was the heckler saying?
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Wondering if DirecTV will give me an “Obama” credit on my bill, as he has a presser EVERY dang day, taking up valuable viewing time away from me!!!!
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
It is very revealing that he went to MASS, but not Haiti. Very revealing.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
And the Bush blame game rears it’s ugly head!!!!
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
And he will stop Obozo-Care and C*ap & Tax, as well as putting the fear of God and the voters into the hearts of minds of the libtard A**Hats in Congress, to say nothing of making Ogabe a lame duck in the beginning of his 2nd year in office.
Good enough for this conservative voter? No…it’s GREAT!
Go, Scott!!!
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Don’t hold your breath.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM
I’ll tell you where you can put that truck, barack, you sack of flaming dog crap…..
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM
OMG~I’ve seen it all now. We can’t interrogate terrorists, but we can kick out 10 year olds.
Crap.
What was the heckler saying?
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
He probably said, “Boooo.”
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Wonder what that 10yo kid said…HMMMM
“Where is the birth certificate”
“Say hi to Bill Ayers for me”
“C-SPAN”
“No taxes on the middle class”
“We will bring terrorists to justice”
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:26 PM
Sounds like another heckler or two…
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:27 PM
That turd sickens me.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:27 PM
“Martha will work tirelessly every single day for the people of Massachusetts”…..YEA, she won’t even stand out in the cold and shake hands with the common folk….
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:27 PM
At this point you could only fight cheating after the fact…
…but if it ain’t close…
Chaz706 on January 17, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Anti-abortion protester with a ten year old son.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:28 PM
The child and his dad were protesting abortion.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Hope we have something to celebrate Tuesday night….. Pepperoni Pizza for everyone!!!!
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Alright,just hit rewind on the DVR~looks like they removed a hispanic or asian fellow with black, cropped hair and the 10 year old kiddo.
Hmmmm.
What will MSNBC, Mika, Keith, and Madcow say about THIS?
Anyone wanna bet on ‘crickets’?
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Obama definitely looked desperate in his speech….He’s shaking hands now and looks flustered…
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM
May I have a Cheese pizza with some of Cindy’s brownies?
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM
AMEN, GrannyDee, AMEN!
Also, I think all of us here at HotAir need to thank Ed & AP for doing yeoman’s work on providing outstanding analysis & commentary on a race that could very well decide the future of country. So from me to the both of you, a very sincere, THANK YOU!
lukespapa on January 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Keith Olbmerman/Rachel Madcow – “And the TeaBaggers planted an innocent 10yo to spew their hatred for our leader, the GREAT ONE”
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 4:31 PM
I THINK the kiddo was holding an ‘End Abortion’ sign….it had an ‘end’ and a ‘tion’….
Little redheaded devil. Love him~hope Fox gets him on stat!
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:31 PM
Did you see this and this?
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:32 PM
lukespapa on January 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Agreed. I’ve been stuck to my computer for four days.
Thanks E&A
EZnSF on January 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM
Heads will roll for allowing those two infidels into the rally.
kingsjester on January 17, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Hi, Omaha!
Ditto that and God bless.
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Thanks Granny, and God Bless you!
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:38 PM
Cheese Pizza, you bet! Yeah, I remember Cindy talking about baking her brownies several months ago….she didn’t share her cyber brownies with us….darn!!
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Hi, Lukespapa. Tx for your kind remarks. Most of all, a big thank you to Ed, AP, and The Boss (along with all HA) for their hard work.
Word to the Dems: Bwahahahaha!
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Have to get off this computer and feed my hubby before he starts chewing on the dog.
TTFN for now, Omaha.
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 4:43 PM
Yep~anti-abortion protesters.
They’re using the dem’s tactics against them.
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:43 PM
*Giggles*
HornetSting on January 17, 2010 at 4:44 PM
LOL! Can’t have gramps doing that.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM
Check out the report from Instapundit on the Scott Brown rally.
BELIEVE! BELIEVE!
Scott.Can.Win
lukespapa on January 17, 2010 at 4:50 PM
OT
I would have figured his numbers would be lower….must be that fuzzy math.
We really enjoyed Judge Napolitano yesterday….very funny, just like on FOX.
Glen Freeman, National Council of Censors was very good too. (www.nationalcouncilofcensors.org) His mantra was, Vote da Bums out!!!
The organizers will be at Pacific and 76th at Ben Pepperoni Nelson’s office on Tuesday.
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM
I should be able to be there. How about you?
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:55 PM
What time Tues?
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 4:55 PM
Hi guys- count me in!
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM
The numbers do look pretty good, but you failed to take into account the probable effect of massive voter fraud by Democrats.
morganfrost on January 17, 2010 at 4:57 PM
It’s not over until it’s over … It’s not over until ACORN counts the votes … Don’t relax now folks, keep the heat turned on HIGH … Don’t forget the last step — VOTE.
Polls can just as easily be used to manipulate as they can to inform. The lame-stream media does this all the time.
tarpon on January 17, 2010 at 4:59 PM
AGREE!!!! x100000000000
JeffVader on January 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM
We live further north of Omaha, but would like to be there. I am sure there will be some more gatherings like the one on Saturday.
It was great when two other posters walked up to me and huskerdiva when they saw our sign. One poster has an Obama tune on you tube that has a million hits and the other was one of the organizers.
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 5:07 PM
S..N…A….P!!!!
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Check out the commies newest strategery
Didn’t think they could sink any lower, but I was wrong. Disgusting!
lukespapa on January 17, 2010 at 5:13 PM
Oh, I really wish I’d been there.
They looked pretty uninspired at her rally with 0.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 5:07 PM
Hey, We lost track of you- the AFP breakout was pretty good, learned some stuff about grassroots organizing, mostly common sense stuff…. I’ve been to Glen lecture before and he is very good!
It was great meeting you and your hubby!
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM
Nothing they do can surprise or shock me any longer. Nothing.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Despicable- but what’s new there??? If they actually resort to this the backlash will get even worse and wouldn’t it be sweet if those house dims who all voted for it with the Stupak language just got so fed up they all voted against it, too! Madame Speaker’s head would no doubt explode…
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:20 PM
The dog thanks you for your concern.
Not POTUS.
POS.
Wonder what a psychiatrist/psychologist would have to say about the LeaderinDiapers attempting to change his appearance. Me thinks something is seriously wrong. Perhaps BabyBoy is losing his grip on reality (assuming, of course, that he ever had a grip to begin with).
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 5:24 PM
Cool… I lost the TV war today to football playoffs, hubby’s cookin dinner though, so it’s okay – I’m sure they’ll be playing the recaps later tonite and all day tomorrow on Fox
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:24 PM
I’m only a nurse, but I am aware mental illness often begins to manifest itself with failure to keep oneself properly groomed….
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM
I couldn’t find the Grassroots Training room…I talked too long to our next State Treasurer, so I found Glen’s lecture. Interesting….he is a no-nonsense kind of guy.
Great to meet you too!!!! Hope there’s a next time…not too many women are like me.
I am ready for the Tuesday night fingernail bitting brawl. Go Scott Brown!!!!
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM
That’s true, but he’s got so many handlers, seems to me it would be difficult for him to get away with being unkempt in public. Yet, he is so arrogant, he’d probably tell them to “shove off.”
So, your husband cooks dinner? Wow! Does he hire out?
GrannyDee on January 17, 2010 at 5:32 PM
I’m getting this little tingly feeling it may not even be close – Obummer can’t even fill a hall with a capacity of 3000 yet Scott’s rally in Worcster was bursting(I think the capacity was either 3 or 4 thousand) at the seams with some folks outside in the freezin cold …. Spent a lot of time in Boston and they’re strong willed, tough folks, not gonna take any crap from ACORN and half the SEIU have already publicly defected!
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:33 PM
I am making a huge pot of Great Northern Bean n ham soup just like mom’s. Wanted comfort food today for some reason.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 5:35 PM
yummy…… are you having corn bread with it???
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:39 PM
If the price is right! He travels a lot, when he’s home he likes to cook, it’s his hobby…
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:42 PM
The President’s drawing power sure ain’t what it use to be. I’m sure the Dems are pulling out all of the stops to keep Scott Brown out of office…ACORN and the dead, coming to life just in time to vote on Tuesday still worrys me a bit.
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 5:42 PM
YOU! Don’t LIE!!!
Sapwolf on January 17, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Call me delusional, but I’m gonna stay positive and try to channel all that positive kharma to Hottie McAwesome in ‘Massachusettes’ on Tuesday.
huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Call me delusional, but I’m gonna stay
positivecautiously optimistic and try to channel all that positive kharma to Hottie McAwesome in ‘Massachusettes’ on Tuesday.huskerdiva on January 17, 2010 at 5:51 PM
The GREAT One said “I need you to knock on doors, call your neighbors and friends, etc…”
What that REALLY meant was, “When an ACORN or SEIU worker knocks on your door, be prepared to get writers cramp as you register to vote in 13 different aliases”
AmericanPatriot70 on January 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Yep.
OmahaConservative on January 17, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Unfortunately, a vote casted unenthusiastically, or from some guy in a homeless shelter in exchange for a cigarette, counts as much as the most thought through and passionate ones.
bayview on January 17, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Come on Coakley supporters. Get in everyone’s faces!
Did he whip out that old line? Man I can’t wait until Tuesday.
LibTired on January 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM
I am going to break out the Coors Lite/Amaretto drink for Scott Brown, Pepperoni pizza to celebrate Nelson’s Pizza Parlor uprising last week, Scott in his military uniform right by my computer screen, and have my fingers and toes crossed for a fair fight on Tuesday night.
yoda on January 17, 2010 at 6:04 PM
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