Oh my: Brown by three — in Coakley’s internal poll
posted at 5:55 pm on January 15, 2010 by Allahpundit
Wednesday night: 46/44 Coakley. Thursday: 47/44 Brown. I don’t at all buy that PJM poll showing Brown up by 15, but ask me again on Monday. It’s sounding less absurd by the hour.
We’d best enjoy this now, before The One blows into town with some of that Creigh Deeds magic and breaks our hearts.
The last time a public poll showed a Republican leading a Massachusetts Senate race this close to the election was, well….never. There were no public polls released in the week leading up to the 1972 election, the last one won by a Republican (Ed Brooke, was re-elected in a landslide over John Droney). And since then, Democrats have enjoyed the stretch-run advantage in every Senate race in the state. The closest the GOP came was in 1996, when Bill Weld was within a few points of John Kerry just before Election Day; Weld lost that race by seven points.
This is all hearsay coming from Kornacki, of course. Any reason to think it’s true and that Brown’s really ahead? Why … yes:
A senior Democratic official on Friday described Ms. Coakley’s chances as “within striking distance.”
She’s behind — but only by a little. Hope and change!
And now, at this moment of near-triumph, when the conservative world is feeling as warm and festive as the Whos down in Whoville, I’m going to have to play Grinch. I didn’t want to do it to you, but you have a right to know. Brace yourselves, my friends, for … the ultimate heart-ache.
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It’s all about context.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I get upset when the RNC supports a Specter over Toomey, for example.
People can play with numbers all they want, but Brown is on the right side of issues that are the most important right now.
reaganaut on January 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM
I doubt that, but who cares. Brown’s still almost infinitely preferable to a Kennedy flunky.
ddrintn on January 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM
The tea parties were about change.
bloggless on January 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Allah, you must never forget, “In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king!” That makes Republican Scott Brown royalty in my book…
LEBA on January 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Aren’t you cute? :)
Moving the party to a move conservative view is a big picture. Even the worst rino is better then a lib in a lib district, for crying out loud, and especially when breaking a filibuster proof majority.
It’s philosophical congruent. Brown moves Congress to the right. In republican districts, conservatives move Congress right as opposed to Rinos.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Obama and the machine arent going full stop to stop Brown b/c he is on their side, lol
ginaswo on January 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM
A couple points about AP’s revenge on the RINO hunters link. First here is the author’s methodology:
First, when you follow his link on the “my research” portion, it takes you to a basic description of his thought process on how to compare ALL legislators and voters based on a single scale. He has arbitrarily (Note: not carelessly) chosen the Votesmart surveys for its consistency within itself and its history dating back top the early 90′s. So the first question is whether or not that’s even a proper starting place. Then the question should be asked as to whether or not it’s even feasible to try to compare every legislator to each other and the voters based on a single data point. Further, the info they are using, assuming I’m reading it right, is 8 years old. I’m not saying this guy is totally off, but I would be careful in declaring his conclusions as conclusive. To say that this proves Scuzzy is more conservative than Brown, is a bit of a stretch. But more to the point, what AP is trying to bring out in the discussion is the idea that the Conservatives are supporting a guy who isn’t of the same cloth as say a Senator DeMint. That’s an interesting debate, and it will be interesting to see how Brown’s victory shakes out in that debate. But here is one point: even though conservatives are pushing for Brown, I doubt there would be a corresponding push to have his brand of Republican-ism be the defacto brand.
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM
I am a tea party patriot and mod Democrat AP, I am perfect with Scott Brown
country first
patriotism knows no labels
ginaswo on January 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Will Mitt Romney Stump for Scott Brown in Last Days of Senate Race? http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/15/will-mitt-romney-stump-for-scott-brown-in-last-days-of-senate-race/
dnlchisholm on January 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Patience my little Allah, patience.
bloggless on January 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM
And because tea party conservatives intelligently choose their battles, you berate them for not sticking to some ethos that you pushed and spun until you actually believed that you discovered some purge code written in blood in your comments section. No, actually the issue Tuesday is ObamaCare. No one dumps a million dollars a day on the “lesser of two evils.” Try to keep up.
Ronnie on January 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM
No.
Is Scott Brown a pround winner of the Maragert Sanger Award?
Is Scott Brown heavily in the pocket of Planned Parenthood, all sorts of labor unions, and the NEA?
Is Scott Brown married to a leading union organizer, in favor of card-check, cozy with ACORN?
Is Scott Brown going to waffle on his opposition of Obamacare?
Is he the “perfect conservative” — no. And people aren’t expecting him to be, especially running here in MA.
But, he’s absolutely not worse than Dede Scuzzyfavabutterbean.
red winger on January 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM
The dead will rise. Pets will become politically active. Cartoon characters will sketch their way into the voting booth. ACORN will make sure of it. Brown needs to win this by 15 pts if he is to hold onto the victory
Zetterson on January 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Er. I have mixed feelings about Mitt Romney stumping for Brown. I don’t want Brown tainted with old problems.
andy85719 on January 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Nah, its only a little bit of gallows humor. You see in some places, one person one vote really means 1.2 conservatives, one vote. Fight the power!
Firefly_76 on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Faulty reading of tea-partiers. Get out of Manhattan every now and then.
ddrintn on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
When will Obama request U.N. Election Officials escorted by U.N. Peace Keeping Troops in to Massachussettes to make sure this is a “transparent” election???
Roy Rogers on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Only problem is, Brown’s not running against Dede. When he does, we’ll consider it. Until then, he’s running against Coakley.
MassVictim on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
atheling on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
I sure hope not.
upinak on January 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
I doubt very seriously that he is into chicks.
bill30097 on January 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM
… and yet certainly more favorable than your average Mass. Democrat, I suppose, eh?
Midas on January 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM
If you can volunteer there are a number of options:
For most Rhode Islanders, the Scott Brown campaign office in Wrentham is closest. Please contact Jeff Trainor (202 680 8945 Jeff@brownforussenate.com ) to sign up for phone banking, door-to-door work and other tasks at their headquarters at 29 Franklin St., Wrentham, MA.
Rhode Islanders who live in its southeastern areas- particularly near route 24- may find the Scott Brown office in Middleborough closer. Please contact Josh Daniels
(301 996 1534 Joshua@brownforussenate.com ) to sign up for phone banking, door-to-door work and other tasks at their headquarters at 9 Clayton Road, Middleborough, MA. The need for volunteers is greater at the Middleborough office than the Wrentham location given that the former is just now being put into operation.
If you would like to help with the phone bank work but would rather work from home, you can access the phone banking “engine” from the Scott Brown website as follows: Go to http://www.brownforussenate.com/ ; and from there, there is a rectangular “sign” in the bottom right part of the screen that cycles through three options. One of them is “Call From Home” that gives you the link to sign up. Once your information is accepted by the system, instructions for doing the calling from home will be emailed to you.
David Anderson (401 793 0421 dvapol@yahoo.com ) is the contact person for Rhode Islanders seeking additional information about how to help. If you need a ride to a Scott Brown campaign office, he may be able to arrange a car pool.
ginaswo on January 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM
God I hope not. I just saw video of Brown and Rudy from this morning. Huge crowd!
Knucklehead on January 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Democrat voters will ALL receive a “Cadillac Tax” credit voucher upon successfully casting their ballots for
Ted KennedyMartha Coakley.Roy Rogers on January 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM
PLEASE SEND $$$$$$$$$$ TO SCOTT!
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Vladimir Illyich Lenin proclaimed that…”medicine is the keystone to socialism.” That without it the rest is not possible. I seem to recall he was a man that might know a thing or two about the subject, so if Brown can take this thing and deprive the Dhim’s of their “keystone”, I’m down with that.
So despite AP’s warning, winning ugly, is still winning.
Archimedes on January 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Big spike in absentee ballots over the last few days. It’s starting.
OB1 on January 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Out of the Massachusetts state legislature, he is the most conservative–even out of the few Republicans who sit in seats. When you put him up against, say Palin, yes he is more liberal. But it’s mostly on social issues, which I honestly don’t care that much about.
The point being–yes, we want true conservatives. But you’re not always going to get true conservatives from every state. When it comes to Massachusetts, he’s the most conservative you will get that can get elected.
Not to mention, there was a primary in Massachusetts, and the Republicans voters chose him. No one chose Scozzafava except for the establishment–that is why we didn’t want her.
Enoxo on January 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM
The difference is that the previous “lesser of two evils” was always on the basis of winning an election regardless of how that pol would vote in subsequent crucial bills. This race affords us an opportunity that usually doesn’t exist in other elections, namely he is literally running on how he’d vote on a bill that would literally be killed should he win…literally. He’s not just saying he’ll support “health care reform” or not support it. He’s saying, “I’ll be the guy to stop THIS very bill.” Thus this is very much NOT a lesser of two evils, but a complete annihilation of a great evil. Also, as I wrote above, it remains to be seen if he’s the “lesser of two evils” in the sense you meant it. Time will tell, but the push for Brown isn’t to get a majority for majority sake or and “R” for an “R” sake. He’s run on something very very specific, which is why I don’t think you can put this in the kind of “dialectic” you are trying to put it in.
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM
My $0.02:
Brown is going to lose. I feel like Charley Brown trying to kick the football here. We hope it will happen, we think it will happen, but . . . it won’t happen.
If he wins, all that means is that the Senate has to get one of the Maine ladies on board. And that will be hard, but not impossible. It will change the bill, but it won’t kill the bill.
Hopefully, I’m just way too pessimistic.
jdp629 on January 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM
I read your link for the ultimate heart-ache: what a crock of shite… he’s pro-gun, anti-tax, for smaller government, and while he supports abortion, he is against this abortion of a health-care bill. How can anybody possibly call him a liberal, unless support for abortion rights is the trump card over all other issues?
lionheart on January 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM
How can you even think that the same strategy would apply to a House race in a conservative NY area and a state-wide race in Massachusetts?
Ronnie on January 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Politics has got to be played as a game of achieving the possible. If you’re going to wait for Massachusetts to elect a solid conservative to the Senate, you’re going to wait a very long time. While someone like Brown would not be acceptable to the right in a deep red state, he’s the best we can reasonably expect in blue-blue Mass.
We need to accept incremental improvements where only incremental improvements are possible. Every election isn’t going to be a revolution.
Cicero43 on January 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM
MLK day is so going to be abused.
tomas on January 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM
I’m surprised that people can actually register on the day of the election in the US.
In Australia we have to register 4 weeks before election day.
Crux Australis on January 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Yea big spike in the suburbs where people work and commute, big spike for Brown!
Brown will kill healthcare, everything else doesn’t matter this late in the game.
Its freedom or Expensive, Government Rationed, Death Care!
dhunter on January 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Absentee Ballots was how Franken won IIRC.
Holger on January 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM
We have to purge the liberals too.
csdeven on January 15, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Hmmm… but by this guys definitions of Conservative, ANY Fiscal Con/ libertarian (small l) will not do well.
Romeo13 on January 15, 2010 at 6:47 PM
Yes, I know AP is supposed to ward off trolls but I think I speak for all when I say..Allah Sucks.
Time for a change… Dr. Zero for Hot air.
RobCon on January 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Never heard of that, but it depends on the state law applicable. In Mass it looks like you must register 20 days prior to any election: http://www.sec.state.ma.us/Ele/eleifv/howreg.htm
Firefly_76 on January 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Howie Carr is reporting the campaign donation systems are completely swamped! people from all over the country are donating!
dogsoldier on January 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Don’t play: You know the differences. This is a race in an ultra-liberal state between two people, one clearly more conservative than the other. The other was a three-way race in a conservative(-ish) district in which the most conservative one wasn’t a Republican, while the other two were fairly nearby politically. Mostly importantly, it wasn’t the decisive vote in Congress the way it is this time. Even the HotAir crowd isn’t puritanical enough to want Teddy’s handpicked successor to win, just so a moderate-to-liberal Republican can lose.
calbear on January 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM
that, and a few ballots found in a trunk… and a couple of precincts that tallied more votes, than there were registered voters (or was the NY23 with its broken voting machines?).
Romeo13 on January 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Real smart allah, lets get a DNC hack in there instead.
RobCon on January 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM
I’m optimistic for a Brown win, but I’m not gloating about it and certainly not holding my breath. It IS Massachusetts after all.
As for getting one of the Hag Twins of Maine to vote for the bill if Brown wins–not likely. Especially not after Harry Reid came out the other day and said that it was a waste of time trying to deal with Snowe.
So if Brown does win… the only way they’re going to get healthcare is if 1) the House bites the bullet and votes completely for the Senate bill… or 2) they somehow force the nuclear option on a 51-vote.
Enoxo on January 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Unprecedented!!!
jukin on January 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Allah, I wont try argue about the “true conservative” thing, but I’m personally looking for the best possible outcome from my vote. If my guy or gal doesnt make it past the primary for example, I re-evaluate, then again vote with best outcome in mind. Staying home is not an option for me. And of course there is a VERY BIG single issue, bambicare, riding on this race. I’m sure many of us would love to see Ronald Reagan winning in Mass, but it ‘aint gonna happen.
JusDreamin on January 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM
I wish I could see specifics on issues. Scuzzyfova was endorsed by ACORN and the WFP. I’ll take a Republican who is “liberal” on social issues over a union hack any day (particularly since a Senator’s sway over social issues is actually quite limited, while they hold the reins on fiscal issues.
Buy Danish on January 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM
I’m not understanding the flak directed at Boris Shor. He’s basically saying what everyone else here is saying, and is pretty sympathetic to the motives of the conservatives responsible for both NY-23 and the current race in MA.
I agree with this completely.
holygoat on January 15, 2010 at 6:51 PM
One more thought, AP. The Tea Party movement is NOT about ideological purity within the Republican party, though elements of that do exist within it. If it weren’t so, there wouldn’t be so many Democrats within the Tea Party movement, and there are as Crosspatch noted in another thread. At the heart of the Tea Party movement is the underlying reality that the greatest threat to the states right now is our own Federal Government. That’s what the awakening has been about, a strong desire to be shielded from our own government; to tell them “Stop! No further! Enough!” I and my wife, with our two boys, will head to Austin tomorrow to join other Texas Tea Party Patriots to hold a nullification rally. It’s not an official Tea Party event, but that’s what so neat about it. All these offshoot organizations that have branched off, and are moving in the same direction but in different areas. Thus Brown’s victory would be one piece of a larger movement that seeks to PIVOT this nation from the progressive vision, instead of simply moving in the same direction only at a slower pace.
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2010 at 6:51 PM
I know, I had this same feeling before with Holder in NY. I’m too pessimistic to be excited…but I really, really, really want to be.
ihasurnominashun on January 15, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Is Obama doing robo calls for Coakley now? Just heard it on Levin.
ihasurnominashun on January 15, 2010 at 6:52 PM
No he won’t., the bill will pass using reconciliation.
The Dems have already said so:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPg2UfFaCh9c&pos=9
The Republican’s used this rule many times in the past and praised it. Now it’s coming back to bite them in the ass.
harry on January 15, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Thanks to both of you for setting Allah straight on what most of us are talking about when we blast and skewer RINOs.
An honest RINO from a deep blue or even purple state, who’s good on national security and limited government, well, that’s the best we can get and far better than an outright lib.
At the same time, a lyin’ RINO who hails from a red state — think Grahamnesty — turns the rage factor up to 10.
And, if I might add another type of RINO that we disdain. It’s one who is in the party or legislative leadership who cares more about his ink and his vids and his cocktail party acceptance level and his big tent strategy than he does about nurturing and advancing conservative principles. The rage factor here is probably 15 on a 10 scale.
TXUS on January 15, 2010 at 6:54 PM
What the hell are you alluding to AP? Did you even read that to which you linked?
bains on January 15, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Yes, just saw it on Brit Hume.
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2010 at 6:57 PM
There’s more “nudity” on prime time television any night of the week. Trying to taint someone’s reputation through titillation is not going to work. Give it up and quit while you’re ahead.
singer on January 15, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Folks in VA are also having a Tenth Amendment nullification rally in support of two legislative initiatives (including nullifcation of Obamacare) on Mon. with our new AG Cucinelli as keynote.
Weight of Glory, what traction is Medina getting in the TX gov race? From what I hear, she’s more conservative than Perry.
Firefly_76 on January 15, 2010 at 6:57 PM
#2, no doubt…
cmsinaz on January 15, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Examples, please. IIRC, they might have threatened to use the “nuclear option” to try to get the Dems to move on a judicial nominee but never did.
singer on January 15, 2010 at 6:59 PM
I think he is point out that Brown is to the left on many issues. To keep his seat he’ll probably blow off the republican party more than he’ll join them.
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Have you ever read H. G. Wells’ story “The Country of the Blind”? A mountaineer stumbles into a remote valley where everyone is blind, and thinks he can rule them, but by the end of the story everybody thinks he’s crazy and want to put his eyes out!
We have to hope that less than half of MassachusettEs voters are blind, and Scott Brown doesn’t have to be king, just Senator.
Steve Z on January 15, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Republicans used the reconciliation process to pass legislation including the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, and the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:01 PM
“Creigh Deeds, eHarmony has found your perfect match…”
JohnBissell on January 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM
it will be nice for Mass to finally have someone in DC who served in the military honorably unlike Kerry and Kennedy.
jcrue on January 15, 2010 at 7:04 PM
She is far more conservative than the Perry of last election, but he’s been MUCH better lately. As a result, many more conservatives are willing to support him. Thus, with his name recognition, huge war chest, and better all around campaign, he’s the early favorite. That’s cool that VA is also having a rally. Good luck with yours!
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2010 at 7:05 PM
I’m surprised that people can actually register on the day of the election in the US.
In Australia we have to register 4 weeks before election day.
Crux Australis on January 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Supposedly in Mass you have to register 2 weeks prior. This is great news as Coakley was a done deal then, not so much now. This means the vote rigging shenannigans of ACORN, SEIU, AFSCME, etc. won’t have time to gear up for stealing the election. Even with the ever present Mass “machine” in place already.
Archimedes on January 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Anything else? I could go on and on.
Oh my favorite:
Classic.
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:07 PM
NY-23 is right of center. Dede was out of touch.
MA is way left of center.
Healthcare MUST be defeated.
Sapwolf on January 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Hey, I the eternal skeptic will take up for the late great MANLY, have no fear, listen to no troll or Eoroye, the Hillbuz kids told us the plan would be to demoralize, distort, inject futility into the voter!
Don’t buy it! Brown is ahead, Brown is pulling away, an inept, lying, unpopular, Fascist President is coming to rescue a solid dem seat from the mess he himself has created!
Do not believe the doubters as Manly would say! In the heart of the first Tea Party the patriots can and will prevail, we can and will take our country back, we will not be taken over by a corrupt Anti-American bunch of liars, thieves and pandering crooks!
BROWN WILL WIN!
dhunter on January 15, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I go back and forth on this…I want the GOP candidate to toe the conservative line as much as possible, but I also want to win elections. It goes back to that whole 80% thing Reagan talked about. That’s not to say I don’t think a conservative can win in certain places…if there’s discontent with Dems, and if the GOP candidate focuses on pocket book issues, like Bob McDonnell did, I think they’ve got a decent shot most anywhere. But, that won’t be true in all cases. McCain is a moderate but I still voted for him, because he was better than the alternative. Making sure all candidates remain ideologically pure might sound good initially, but being the minority sucks when things like ObamaCare are on the precipice of passing and we’re stuck praying a Dem bails on it or a Republican wins in deep blue Mass. I don’t like being in that position.
changer1701 on January 15, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I’m taking Allah’s side on this one (although it’s a bit of an exaggeration to say he’s the “opposite” of the tea-party ethos). Clearly there are a many commenters (mostly Palinistas) who, say, spend a good bit of their time attacking Mitt for being a RINO, but who are only too happy to support Brown (who b.t.w., has gotten a lot of help from Mitt).
Will these Brown supporters be fair weather friends who throw him under the bus the first time he votes and fails a purity test?
Buy Danish on January 15, 2010 at 7:12 PM
0bama robocall for Cuckoo.
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2010 at 7:12 PM
Healthcare is a done deal. The Dems don’t need 60 votes, they never did.
jeez, why can’t people see this. They have 51, that’s all they need. In fact they can now blow off Lieberman and anyone else and go straight for the public option. This will energize the base for 2010 and 12. They no longer have to pretend that they need a super majority.
Be careful what you wish for.
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM
++
angryed on January 15, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Dingy is that you?
angryed on January 15, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Enoxo,
Yours is one of the most cogent comments to date on this subject. Thank you.
Now for the non-believers and naysayers. The conventional wisdom across the country and here on HA is that Massachusetts is this bastion of liberalism. After all we elected old Teddy all those years and continue to elect John F’n Kerry. Is that really any different than other states and the percentage of incumbents that constantly win re-election? We have closed primaries (which should be the case nationally) and as such have a majority of our registered voters defined as “un-enrolled” or “independents”, able to pull either ballot in a primary.
Unless you live in Massachusetts and have experienced the electoral process here, there is no way that you could truly understand just what has happened in the last few weeks. The undercurrent that is sweeping through the Commonwealth is absolutely astonishing in its intensity. The silent majority here finally has a chance to make a difference in an election and feels that their votes matter after years of frustration and futility.
Concern trolls begone! And don’t show up to the party saying I knew it all along!
BROWN CAN AND WILL WIN!
singer on January 15, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Thanks.
singer on January 15, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Republicans used the reconciliation process to pass legislation including the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, and the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Budget issues I believe. If not I stand corrected.
singer on January 15, 2010 at 7:24 PM
This election is about one thing, and one thing only. Stopping Obamacare.
uknowmorethanme on January 15, 2010 at 7:24 PM
Point out anything that I’ve said that is incorrect. The Dems have made clear that if they lose they will use reconciliation. Once they pull that trigger, they’ll attempt to do as much damage as they possibly can, they no longer have to appease 60 only 51.
This frees them up to pass the bill the base wants not one that 60 votes requires.
It’s pretty straight forward. And if the Republicans bluster they will just point out that they used it too.
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Counter evidence: referendums consistently vote the exact opposite of whatever the legislature has explicitly done.
Having an (R) next to your name on the ballot is an institutional and organizational catastrophe. If he is the left of Liberman or rather to the right of Rush Limbaugh is just about irrelevant. The truth is most voters will never ever know those details because he has that (R) the organization, institution and media will always claim it is the latter. Therefore it becomes irrelevant. Therefore the entire analysis that any MA (R) must be farther to the left then nationally is total crap. This is the same thing that hit Romney.
Resolute on January 15, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Barney Frank: ‘If Scott Brown Wins, It’ll Kill The Health Bill’…
LOL!! Is he trying to help or hurt Croak-ly?
Phil-351 on January 15, 2010 at 7:32 PM
The Dems would love to pass health care reform under the budget reconciliation process, which would shield the legislation from GOP filibusters. It’s totally within their right.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/29/2082655.aspx
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Oh boy, MSNBC?
Now, I understand why you are so brain dead.
BTW~anyone else offended by the pig being roasted rottiserie style on the ad in the top right hand corner…..
…..You know, my muslim faith and all…..
HornetSting on January 15, 2010 at 7:36 PM
I don’t think Obama will help Coakley all that much. I will believe a Republican victory when I see one, but I have to admit I am getting hopeful.
As for Brown being a liberal, I don’t know that I really believe that and I wonder about people making that assertion now this close to the race. But, this is Mass. not Oklahoma and Brown might be as conservative as someone can be and win in that state..I think that we need to remember that conservatives are supposed to have respect for states rights and part of that means that the different states can be different…not every aspect of our lives has to be decided by national governments and national parties. If Brown can join with more conservative Republicans to vote against the radical Democrat agenda…then I hope he wins, even if he is not DeMint.
Terrye on January 15, 2010 at 7:36 PM
The Tea Party vs RINO argument holds no water here, it is irrelevant how far left Brown is. The choice is between just two.
Its’ too late for anything else, do not be distracted.
The choice is between Obamas’ Anti-American anti-free enterprise, anti-capitalism, pro Fascism, pro Government control over every aspect of your lives, corruption such that We The People have no say, or
FREEDOM! It is Freedom all peoples seek and FREEDOM Scott Brown offers and Freedom We The People shall have when the voices of the people are heard!
dhunter on January 15, 2010 at 7:36 PM
The conservatives (or at least the republicans) in MA picked Brown as their candidate. Getting him in the door to stop socialized medicine is a win. Any other issues that he could be pulled to the right on later are moot if he doesn’t win.
Vashta.Nerada on January 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM
harry, I am not so sure they can use reconciliation for a bill like this.
Terrye on January 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Very true.
Terrye on January 15, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Point out where it is incorrect:
Read the above link again and ask who is brain dead.
There is no stopping health care, anyone who thinks there is is being taken for a ride. They, the Dems, always had a back door.
But everyone knew this right?
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:41 PM
BROWN CAN AND WILL WIN!
singer on January 15, 2010 at 7:21 PM
YES! That’s the spirit!
BROWN.CAN.WIN
lukespapa on January 15, 2010 at 7:42 PM
1) Scuzzlebubba doesn’t have a legislative record so… shocking that his “record” is to her left!
2) Scuzzy was running for a reliably red seat being given up by a reliable conservative. Brown is running for the Liberal Lion’s seat.
Lehosh on January 15, 2010 at 7:42 PM
In the bluest of blue state, the bluest of blue races, win lose or draw the tea parties have already won.
Now it’s time to start chopping some Congressional Clunkers.
tarpon on January 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Yes they can, read the link, they’ve linked it to the deficit. Why do you think Obama always brings up the deficit reduction that Health Care will provide, they knew this might happen.
They’ve even started to say it out loud, they know that have the option to pass this as a budget bill using reconciliation.
For example:
Do you know what else would be paid for by public dollars….ding ding ding a “public option”
harry on January 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM
The seat that John Warner held for 5 terms went Democrat after he retired.
uknowmorethanme on January 15, 2010 at 7:48 PM
The Virginia Senate seat to be more specific.
uknowmorethanme on January 15, 2010 at 7:49 PM
I’m no expert, but I believe the “reconciliation process” thing is overdone. They can do it, but the bill will have to include a sunset clause for 5 years hence at which time it will have to be re-voted on (if I understand correctly). This bill doesn’t do anything other than add taxes for five years. How the heck is a five year window a good thing for Dems on health care? It’s worse than a “Hail Mary” pass; it’s a punt, IMhO.
jdp629 on January 15, 2010 at 7:49 PM
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