Obama administration may try Hambali in criminal court

posted at 2:55 pm on January 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

We captured a terrorist in Thailand, in cooperation with local forces, in 2003.  The terrorist was responsible for the terrorist attack in Bali that killed over 200 people, and helped plot other terrorist attacks around the world.  He also supplied financing for AQ out of Malaysia and the Philippines, and arranged the 2000 al-Qaeda summit in Kuala Lumpur that was attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers.

All of Riduan “Hambali” Isamuddin’s activities took place outside of the US while conducting a war on America and the West.  So why is the Obama administration considering a criminal-court trial for a man seized through the work of military and intelligence work?

The Obama administration is considering a criminal trial in Washington for the Guantanamo Bay detainee suspected of masterminding the bombing of a Bali nightclub that killed 202 people, a plan that would bring one of the world’s most notorious terrorism suspects just steps from the U.S. Capitol, The Associated Press has learned.

Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, was allegedly Osama bin Laden’s point man in Indonesia and, until his capture in August 2003, was believed to be the main link between al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah, the terror group blamed for the 2002 bombing on the island of Bali.

The New York Daily News says it’s all about politics:

Conducting a trial in the nation’s capital would be a symbolic repudiation of the policies of former President George W. Bush, who portrayed Hambali as a success story in the Bush administration’s program of interrogating terror suspects in secret CIA prisons overseas.

Bush said such interrogations, which included the simulated drowning technique of waterboarding, helped crack alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and led authorities to Hambali. Under intense questioning at a CIA “black site,” Hambali revealed a plan for another wave of suicide hijackings in the U.S., Bush said.

Republicans complain that these trials make the cities a target for terrorism, but let’s face it — they already are targets for terrorism.  The trials will bring heightened risk, but we can minimize that with extensive (and expensive) preparations.  The question isn’t whether we can handle the risk — it’s why we would bother.  Clearly, the interrogations proved effective enough to expose an attack which Hambali planned to launch against the US, but the techniques used to get that information are suitable for war, not criminal trials.  Putting Hambali on the stand will reveal intelligence techniques and expose American agents — unless we plan on changing the rules so dramatically that it will allow those techniques to be admissible when trying Americans on criminal charges as well.

Besides which, exactly what jurisdiction will the US claim for trying Hambali? Unless they plan on prosecuting him for 9/11 involvement, which seems possible but thin, all of Hambali’s “crimes” were committed outside of US jurisdiction. Unless we have suddenly assumed an arrogance thus far only seen in Spanish courts, the US has no jurisdiction to try Hambali for his actions abroad in our criminal courts.

Marc Thiessen blasts the White House for even considering it, and says it points to a big problem with Obama’s approach to counterterrorism:

Hambali and the key members of his terror network were captured only because of information gained from KSM after he underwent enhanced interrogation techniques. (Indeed, it seems that virtually everyone the Obama administration wants to put on trial in civilian court was captured as a result of the CIA interrogation program that Obama shut down.) After 9/11, we were unaware of the Hambali network or its plans — until CIA detainees were captured and questioned. Those detainees told us what we needed to know to take the network down.

Now, some nine years later, we face a new terror network about which we know almost nothing (al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula). This network nearly carried off a spectacular Christmas Day attack in Detroit. And the reason we were caught blind about this network and its plans is because — unlike during the period after 9/11 — we are no longer trying to capture, detain, and effectively interrogate senior terrorist leaders such as Hambali.

Marc has a new book coming out on Monday, Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack. It sounds like a book that the White House should read before it further undermines both counterterrorism and the rule of law by allowing foreign terrorists to use our courts to fight their war.

I’ll be interviewing Marc about his book on Tuesday’s edition of The Ed Morrissey Show. Be sure to watch, and in the meantime, put in an advance order for Courting Disaster:

Note: For the clueless or the FTC (but I repeat myself), any sales from links in this post result in a small compensation to me, at no extra cost to the buyer.

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Obama is going to give the opening argument.

singlemalt_18 on January 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Cloward and Piven are smiling as their acolyte undermines every worthwhile aspect of this country and its institutions

Janos Hunyadi on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

unless we plan on changing the rules so dramatically that it will allow those techniques to be admissible when trying Americans on criminal charges as well.

Somehow I think Dear Liar’s administration views this as a feature, not a bug. It’ll come in handy when they start prosecuting people who don’t buy health insurance.

rbj on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Obama is going to give the opening argument.

singlemalt_18 on January 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM

… for the defense.

homesickamerican on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Clearly Obama doesn’t think his polls can go any lower.

Enoxo on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

I will stand with my Muslim brothers. Nuff said.

capejasmine on January 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Ed, you capitalist. How dare you.

txag92 on January 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Obama is clueless. Is it 2012 yet?

GarandFan on January 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Obama and Holder want their Hambali sandwich.

aengus on January 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Janos Hunyadi on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

My father, a lifelong Democrat who has finally declared himself an Independent, has said we need to impeach Obama. Considering these asinine decisions will destroy America, I think he has a point.

DrMagnolias on January 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Unless we have suddenly assumed an arrogance thus far only seen in Spanish courts, the US has no jurisdiction to try Hambali for his actions abroad in our criminal courts

Um, the Spanish, and others, actualy took their cue from OUR invasion of Panama and subsequent Trial of Noriega… where WE claimed worldwide jurisdiction (and an interesting tidbit, his Sentence was up 3 years ago, but he remains in Prison, pending Extradition hearings… talk about a bad precedent)…

Romeo13 on January 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Holy Cow~

‘My muslim faith’……words mean something.

I hope Bali and the rest of the victims of this sorry sack of dog crap tell the obama administration to stuff it.

HornetSting on January 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM

What a crazy kid that Obama is.

Its always something….

1921 C DRUM on January 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

With the stupidity in the White House these days, I’m surprised they didn’t announce they’ll hold this trial in Boston and that it’ll create thousands of jobs.

Knucklehead on January 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Welcome to America, here is your lawyer, some clothes, and here is your food. And by the way, the classified information you requested for your trial will be here this afternoon. If you need anything else just call for us.

tommer74 on January 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Did they read him “his” rights? No foreign national/enemy combatant/Terrorist should be given the God-given rights of a American Citizen. Period.

kingsjester on January 15, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Cloward and Piven are smiling as their acolyte undermines every worthwhile aspect of this country and its institutions

Janos Hunyadi on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Precisely. +100

Daggett on January 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

And the reason we were caught blind about this network and its plans is because — unlike during the period after 9/11 — we are no longer trying to capture, detain, and effectively interrogate senior terrorist leaders such as Hambali.

Caught with our pants down and grabbing our ankles. I still have ‘friends’ that believe in this administration.
When will they open their eyes that this president and his cronies will not stop until the US is on its knees?

HornetSting on January 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

DrMagnolias on January 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM

I agree, but the decisions are much worse than ‘asinine’: They’re deliberate: Designed to ruin and weaken every aspect of public and commercial life; designed to cause a combination of fear and apathy that will enable an incessant government apparatus to usurp previously-stable and functioning institutions.

It’s not, “they don’t get it”. They DO get it, and work every day in every way to damage this nation. They aren’t fools: They’re hardline socialists and 1960s New Left radicals who finally got this one brief shot at making their sick deranged fantasies come true.

They’re high, and the drug is power–and the goal is to collapse the system.

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country”……..

Janos Hunyadi on January 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM

How can Obama have so much faith in our civil courts on one hand and so little faith on American opinion on the other?

fourdeucer on January 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Obama will file an Amicus Curiae brief on his behalf.

Alden Pyle on January 15, 2010 at 3:14 PM

I say we make sure we publicize what time Hambali’s guards change shifts, leave the gate open, and offer cheap plane tickets to the US from Australia.

Let the Aussies have him.

Intrepid on January 15, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Obama is going to give the opening argument.

singlemalt_18 on January 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM

For the defense?

steveegg on January 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Wasn’t Hambali also implicated in the failed “second wave” attack on our West Coast, the one that threatened the Los Angeles (Library?) Tower?

These acts of war are not civil crimes. How does Holder get away with the “standing” of this nonsense?

Start the impeachment hearings now.

onlineanalyst on January 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Maybe “Team America: World Police” can be edited and re-released, introducing a new cast member – “Messiahbama”

olesparkie on January 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Did he engage in any plots to conduct terrorist strikes against, oh, the U.S.? Or is the main issue that he’s responsible for the Bali attack? If so, I guess anyone who blows something up in Thailand should be tried here. What geniuses.

Erich66 on January 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

“Jurisdiction” is just another of those quaint concepts – not really relevant in today’s world – that arise from that pesky Constitution.

But that’s a living document – which means, of course, that it simply means what [blank] says it means.

Carry on!

ManUFan on January 15, 2010 at 3:19 PM

This is the type of blatant arrogance the Left accused the Right of all the time. U.S. Law applies worldwide? To non-citizens committing crimes in other countries? Primarily against other non-citizens?? WHAT ARROGANCE!

michaelo on January 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Despite the election fever that begins again to ratchet up, here is a little biopsy of what has happened to the internal defense mechanisms of the west. Yeah, it’s malignant. When you understand what it means, it explains things like the idea of civil criminal trials for combatant Muslims. Wise western based Muslims have convinced the west to isolate Islam from the “terrorists” by going the “lone crazy criminal route”. It shows they are not connected to any universal Muslim entity and therefore you are not “at war” with Islam. We are after ghost moles and not the engine that creates and drives them. It is a safe self deceit that has kept the lid on reality and prevented larger unpleasantries.
But this self deception is welcomed by Islam, it allows them to do their real work within the systems of the west. It may already be irrelevant who wins any given future election if these multiple growing tumors are not defeated.

BL@KBIRD on January 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM

But…Obama’s smart power will prevail!!!

Hate these guys. They care more about people committed to our destruction than their fellow citizens.

search4truth on January 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Eric Holder’s law firm defends jihadi scum for free. Hello? Does that tell anyone anything? It is spectacularly insane to have that SOB as Attorney General of the United States. It’s one of those things that makes me feel like I’m living in some bizarre alternate universe.

Michelle, HotAir and a few others have reported on this multiple times but it’s been ignored by the media.

Unreal.

Django on January 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM

There were Americans killed in the Bali attack. I don’t know if that is enough for the US to claim jurisdiction in this case.

Mark1971 on January 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM

When will they open their eyes that this president and his cronies will not stop until the US is on its knees?

HornetSting on January 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Uhhhh, right about the time something very big and very bad takes many many lives on our soil…Then they will open their eyes.

Tim Zank on January 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

What is it with Hussain and Indonesia ?
And
Indonesia and Riady
And
Riady and Clintons ?

One Clinton lets BinLaden escape
the other Clinton lets Riady into USA

And Holder is the common link
WOW

macncheez on January 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

“The Emperor Has No Clothes”

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Unless we have suddenly assumed an arrogance thus far only seen in Spanish courts

Ed, you only think the Spanish courts are arrogrant because it was Americans they tried to prosecute. You have no principled oppposition to over-reaching jurisdiction.

aengus on January 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

“The Emperor Has No Clothes”

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

No love for America’s safety, either.

kingsjester on January 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Can Interpol be the trigger to prosecute the Guy ??

wheels on January 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM

aengus on January 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

It’s not just the Spanish courts attempted prosecution of Americans. I remember their despicable attempts to get Pinochet, but ignore monsters like Mugabe or Castro.

PimFortuynsGhost on January 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM

He must be so psyched, doin time in Thailand compared to doin time in America is Papillion compared to the 4 Seasons.

Alden Pyle on January 15, 2010 at 3:36 PM

dear leader won’t be happy until he get W or cheney on the stand…

just when he can’t sink any lower, he surprises me…

cmsinaz on January 15, 2010 at 3:38 PM

It’s not just the Spanish courts attempted prosecution of Americans. I remember their despicable attempts to get Pinochet, but ignore monsters like Mugabe or Castro.

PimFortuynsGhost on January 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Pinochet should have been left alone, definitely. The Chilean people and their government were livid about his extradition from London, even though Pinochet was supposedly being brought to justice on their behalf. But then I would be against the unlawful extradition of anyone. That the Spanish authorities discriminate against right-wing dictators while leaving left-wing dictators alone is of no particular significance because once the principle has been established it could be anyone else down the road. The US was happy to go along with it (Pinochet) at the time.

aengus on January 15, 2010 at 3:38 PM

i miss w :(

cmsinaz on January 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Takquia is a way of life.

Idiots elected this guy. Get used to it.

Cody1991 on January 15, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Let us not forget (unless my memory fails, in which case never mind) that Hambali was/is the main publicly-announced “get” attributed to the SWIFT surveillance program (financial surveillance program). That was one of two major programs feloniously and outrageously revealed by the NYT and others, and thus largely neutralized.

You might recall that the revelation of that program stunned and angered most major allies, who of course were enthusiastic and supportive partners in the program, which offered great promise and presented no real risk to privacy or civil rights anywhere (layers of checks and controls to target its use).

Just one of the major outrages of the 2001-2008 period that, to any intelligent and serious observer, was literally hard to believe. Of course now we’re in such an implausible, nearly orwellian nightmare on every front that the spectacular outrages of that period seem almost quaint.

IceCold on January 15, 2010 at 3:41 PM

There’s a time bomb ticking in this country.

And it isn’t terroris.

notagool on January 15, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Every time I see that video of the Black Panthers in Phila on election day, I want to scream. This is the perfect example of this administration’s concerns. I wish I had been a Philly voter – I would have marched right up in that guy’s face and asked him if he had some problem with me voting for McCain. I would have LOVED to have done that. But then Eric Holder would probably be prosecuting ME right now if it had happened.

NJ Red on January 15, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Obama is going to give the opening argument.

singlemalt_18 on January 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM

… for the defense.

homesickamerican on January 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM

And he’ll start by bowing to the defendant and offering an apology in the name of the American people for the rough treatment administered by the Bush goon squad. They will then recite the Shahada together thanking Allah for his wisdom in seeing to the election of the One.

Annar on January 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Once they establish (however flimsily) that foreigners who commited crimes elsewhere can be tried here, what’s the next logical step?

Bingo.

Akzed on January 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM

We all are wrong when we say that there is a marxist in the white house
Very wrong
We actually have a marxist-jihady in the white house

macncheez on January 15, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Obama cannot do anything that is actually in America’s interests. This would be another huge waste of money when we do not have money to waste.
Obama is simply out of touch.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 15, 2010 at 3:54 PM

When your government cairs cares about Hambali, where do you think you will stand?

Cody1991 on January 15, 2010 at 4:01 PM

By all means, let’s mix politics and war.
What better way to weaken our position with the enemy.
POS’s

Badger40 on January 15, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Conducting a trial in the nation’s capital would be a symbolic repudiation of the policies of former President George W. Bush, who portrayed Hambali as a success story in the Bush administration’s program of interrogating terror suspects in secret CIA prisons overseas.

Translated: The Democrats, who spent 7+ years accusing the evil Bush of politicizing the War on Terror, are now doing the exact same thing.

Del Dolemonte on January 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM

O/T
The Saudi royal who offered 10 million bucks to Guiliani after 9-11-01
is on Cavuto’s show now
Huh?

macncheez on January 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Congress will never allow it–they are exempt from Obamacare and will exempt themselves from being Obama’s sitting ducks.

PattyJ on January 15, 2010 at 4:39 PM

A huge public circus trial in Washington, DC, and in NYC, for that matter, is a) going to cost over $100 (each) at a minimum; b) prove nothing about our judicial system to the rest of the world; c) is obviously going to be all about George W. Bush; and, d) makes one hell of a target set for anyone who may desire to take advantage of the event.

I am soooo very glad the “adults” are in charge these days.

coldwarrior on January 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Akzed on January 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Once we start trying foreigners in our civil courts for actions taken outside the jurisdiction of the United States, you can bet the farm that at some point, sooner rather than later, some foreign country (or two or more) is going to round up present and former US armed services personnel and try them in a like manner, if not worse.

But, the adults are in charge, what is there to worry about?

coldwarrior on January 15, 2010 at 5:51 PM

coldwarrior on January 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM

“$100 (each) at a minimum” should read $100 million.

coldwarrior on January 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM

There are a couple of things to point out with this thing regarding Hambali:

1- since his attack in Bali was vs civilians then obviously (according to President Pantywaist) he deserves a civilian trial.

2- since PP has all ready assured us that these ‘would-be disaster makers’ are indeed guilty (see: KSM) there is certainly nothing in his (PP) own words that would prematurely influence a civilian jury….right? And therefore be declared a mistrial.

3- Thiessen is right. It reminds me of the 90′s after Clinton slashed the CIA’s budget by 80% or so in Central Asia/Middle East then played dumb after the ‘disaster makers industry’ sprang up there. The phrase ‘well we had no idea that…..’ is a pretty pathetic fallback when it comes down to protecting the civilians in your charge….

Dick Turpin on January 15, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Conducting a trial in the nation’s capital would be a symbolic repudiation of the policies of former President George W. Bush

Well that’s all that matters.

jarodea on January 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

BAMA = turd!!!

jgdp on January 15, 2010 at 8:10 PM