Video: Mika Brzezinski picks Lincoln as favorite founding father?

posted at 3:35 pm on January 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Ah, karma.  In the middle of this MS-NBC gigglefest over Sarah Palin’s response to Glenn Beck on which Founding Father she likes best, Mika Brzezinski offers her opinion on the best Founding Father — who wasn’t born until 20 years after the US adopted its present Constitution. As Talking Points Memo and Stormin’s Morning Java warn, you have to listen carefully at the one-minute mark for Mika’s interjection of “Lincoln”:

For what it’s worth, my favorite has been James Madison, mainly for his work on the Constitution, although after reading the latest Samuel Adams biography, I’d call it a toss-up. George Washington is a good, if safe and a bit pedestrian, choice, given the example he set for all future Presidents in eschewing power. But I think Palin would know better than to say “Lincoln,” and it’s hilarious that the chuckleheads in this clip never even caught it coming from their own.

Update: A bit more from TPM:

“Wow, uuummm… Wow, I just need to, let me just process, okay,” Brzezinski remarked in response to the clip. Later Buchanan chimed in, “I would’ve gone with Hamilton, myself, Joe.” Shortly thereafter Brzezinski said from off-camera, “Me, Linc-, Lincoln, but okay.” Sarcastic joke? Or startling lack of elementary knowledge of American history? Hard to tell…

Not really.  Had Palin actually picked someone born 20 years after the Constitution was ratified, then perhaps Mika could be credited with a bit of wit with a Lincoln pick.  I think it’s “startling lack of elementary knowledge of American history,” which prompts the question of why MS-NBC has her  chortling over Palin’s perfectly acceptable selection of Washington — known to history as The Father of His Country.


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My favorite founding father was John FootPenis Hancock.

(C’mon, that was a funny family guy joke)

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
— Ben Franklin

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

I gotta go with Washington.

Sure, he wasn’t the best military strategist, and he wasn’t a particularly gifted speaker, and there were other Founders who were more intellectual,… but no one could lead like Washington.

The people would have followed him over a cliff if he chose that route.

Also, as far as bravery goes, it’s Washington hands down. …Bullets whizzing past his head, sword drawn, and charging down the Hessians at Trenton… THAT’S a leader.

Daddy-O on January 14, 2010 at 4:07 PM

My favorite FF is Woody Wilson

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Umm..I believe his name is Harrelson.
Easy mistake to make.

Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2010 at 4:07 PM

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Maybe so, but the comments are comedy gold.

UltimateBob on January 14, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Stickeehands on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Another amazing aspect of Washington is him presiding over the Constitution Convention and remaining silent. It amazes me that a man of the import could remain stoic with such an important event going on around you. He know his place and purpose it seems throughout his life and executed it better than anyone could.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM

I’m surprised she didn’t pick Obama.

LibTired on January 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Now – taking that as a baseline – what is the true definition of a FOUNDING FATHER? Some may have a limited a view of this and consider only people who had an imput into the Constitution as “Founding Fathers”.

But I say no – a “Founding Father” is anyone who’s shaped the nation in a significant way to get it where it is today. And by that definition – Martin Luther King is a “Founding Father”. FDR is a “Founding Father” … and yes, I would call the man who preserved the union (Lincoln) … a “Founding Father”.

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

Next.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Um… I could see the term “father” as being anyone, but you forgot the adjective “FOUNDING.” That’s the whole point, the Founding Fathers founded this nation, they didn’t just shape it, they created it.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Exactly, if the powers of the federal government were limited, we would not have needed the BoR. The fact that we have the BoR is a tacit admission that the government’s powers are expansive unless restrained. Boo!

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Thomas Paine surely deserves some mad props for being a born Englishman who went on to become a Founding Father, before getting elected to the French National Convention in 1792 (despite not speaking French).

Track-A-'Crat on January 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

When people say “founding fathers” everyone knows what group of people they are talking about. Don’t be obtuse.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Some would say that Lincoln, TeddyR, Wilson, FDR and LBJ(and they are hoping Obama) are Founding Fathers for the Socialist States of America.

He’s a crank, but check out some of what Tom Dilorenzo has wrote on Lincoln.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

What was incorrect about Palin’s statement or her choice?
Narutoboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

She hesitated! Don’t you see? She’s a dunce. Who can’t answer within a nanosecond who their favorite founding father is? It’s not like politicians aren’t asked that in every interview?
/sarc
Doughboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Some politicians use various techniques to buy themselves time to think and come up with a good answer.
Some will utter a throw-away line and then follow up with the real answer.
And some will use, shall we say less ‘elegant’ ways of buying time.

And who would that be?

Ummmmm .. ahhh….. ..ummmmm … Oba…. – better yet, no comment.

Juno77 on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

What to make of Zbig’s “collective paternity” comment near the end of the clip in regards to Palin?

Christien on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Hmmm… Favorite Founding Father?

I’d have to pick my Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather Ramey (think I got the Greats right)… of Virginia… fought in the Rev War…

Literaly MY Founding Father :)

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Ha ha ha. This should go alongside left-wing disbelief that Palin was so stupid as to ask a general question about North and South Korea, which is most humorous when seen alongside the claim that “everyone knows” the countries were formed as a result of the Korean War. (*Buzz- wrong again*)

LASue on January 14, 2010 at 4:11 PM

She’s hot enough to get away with it.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM

She is:

Sofa
King
Hot

But dumb as a brick.

UltimateBob on January 14, 2010 at 4:11 PM

So, Palin said that John Adams was her favorite founding father too, eh? That beats Mika.
.
.
Mika, go ahead, stand up turn around, oh love ya Mika….

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 4:11 PM

The other guys helped shape the country, but it’s hard to see the country ever coming into existence without Washington’s leadership. GW hands down.

Mika was probably thinking Lincoln because she thinks he was one of the Pilgrims at the first Thanksgiving.

pedestrian on January 14, 2010 at 4:11 PM

This is little concession for a horrible, horrible, answer to a question from Beck.

I have always supported Sarah, but if she wanted to get in the ring with the big guns (Fox News), then you better know what you are talking about. Glenn Beck worked long and hard for what he does, and he wasn’t going to just let Sarah Palin slip in and take all the spotlight from him.

I’m only surprised O’Reilly let her off so easily.

I had hoped for far better from Ms. Palin. I was rooting for her. But now, finally, she’s in over her britches.

Vincenzo on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

WTH? Did you even watch the interview? put down the pipe!!

Brian on January 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM

George Washington is a good, if safe and a bit pedestrian

Pfft! Washington is a GREAT answer. There are only a handful who can even walk in his shadow.

First tier: Washington, Jefferson, J. Adams, Franklin

Second: Madison, Hamilton, Paine, Greene, Knox, Jay, S. Adams

Certain states can claim some others… in NC Penn and Hooper were outstanding (and buried just a few yards from my home!).

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM

At this point I wish she had stated…..wait for it….

Jesus Christ, citing the worldview of the founders and the concept of Inalienable Rights and the important role the Puritans played in the Nations Founding.

to really watch their heads explode.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM

So, the left media has reached the point where they mock her for choosing the commanding General of the armed forces of our Revolution, our first President and one of the founding fathers?

keyboarddude on January 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM

I’d have to pick my Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather Ramey (think I got the Greats right)… of Virginia… fought in the Rev War…

Literaly MY Founding Father :)

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

So your name is Romeo Ramey? What are you a superhero? (kidding)

UltimateBob on January 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

“Wow, uuummm… Wow, I just need to, let me just process, okay,” Brzezinski remarked in response to the clip. Later Buchanan chimed in, “I would’ve gone with Hamilton, myself, Joe.” Shortly thereafter Brzezinski said from off-camera, “Me, Linc-, Lincoln, but okay.” Sarcastic joke? Or startling lack of elementary knowledge of American history? Hard to tell…

Well Mika is Polish.

Mike Honcho on January 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

How many people think that Mika knows President Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN?

wren on January 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Oh my goodness what a blonde bimbo.
I am starting to think that Palin needs no defense. Every time they try to show how stupid she is, they look like they belong in the Special Ed wing.
And I am a huge supported of Special Ed.
Mika might want to quit throwing stones.

ORconservative on January 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Some will utter a throw-away line and then follow up with the real answer. And some will use, shall we say less ‘elegant’ ways of buying time.

“Well, as I have said…”
“Some people say…”
“I reject the notion that …” also come immediately to mind.

LASue on January 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Don’t do that again. Your comment was terrible.

Americannodash on January 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Well, even Pat Buchanon wasn\’t correct in saying there were only six. Many sources idenify 7 (and not the same 7 depending on where you go). Other souces break it into groups, the singers of the constitution and the framers. And there are even more groups, those who fought, etc. But I\’m pretty sure, Honest Abe isn\’t on any of the lists tho.

Over30 on January 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Palin is not artful in the way she buys time while thinking about an answer. She needs to shut up and think. They will probably edit out the dead air. Or, she needs to fire back with a question about the question. “Well, what do you mean by that?” Then the question will be rephrased and she can formulate her answer.

She tends to babble like an idiot. It didn’t help that when she finally got around to answering, her answer was technically correct but rather pedestrian.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM

So your name is Romeo Ramey? What are you a superhero? (kidding)

UltimateBob on January 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

LOL…. does kinda sound like a bad Pro wrestler… but no…

Romeo13 was one of my old callsigns… R13….

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Now – taking that as a baseline – what is the true definition of a FOUNDING FATHER? Some may have a limited a view of this and consider only people who had an imput into the Constitution as “Founding Fathers”.

But I say no – a “Founding Father” is anyone who’s shaped the nation in a significant way to get it where it is today. And by that definition – Martin Luther King is a “Founding Father”. FDR is a “Founding Father” … and yes, I would call the man who preserved the union (Lincoln) … a “Founding Father”.

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

Next.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

What’s your take on Big Brother? Any guy over 200 pounds?

nico on January 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

What, no Benedict Arnold? It would certainly fit.

Left Coast Right Mind on January 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

I can see this thread is going to devolve into violence. It’s just a matter of time.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM

How many people think that Mika knows President Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN?

wren on January 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Minus slavery, though, many of us would have been Democrats back then.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Palin is not artful in the way she buys time while thinking about an answer. She needs to shut up and think. They will probably edit out the dead air. Or, she needs to fire back with a question about the question. “Well, what do you mean by that?” Then the question will be rephrased and she can formulate her answer.

She tends to babble like an idiot. It didn’t help that when she finally got around to answering, her answer was technically correct but rather pedestrian.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM

What is wrong with not having a favorite founding father? It isn’t that big of deal; and by the way, she goes on to explain why she admired Washington, more than what a “pedestrian” could have done.

deidre on January 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Who’s the dummy now?

Contessa Brewer’s favorite founding father is Karl Marx.

HornetSting on January 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM

I can’t wait for Sarah’s employment to begin. This is a stroke of genius by FOX.
She says one word and the lefties on the other shows go bonkers trying to discredit her.

All they can talk about is Sarah!

Soon MSNBC viewers will be down to 200,000 viewers as the dimwits go to watch “Dumb” Sarah for real and find out she is not dumb and that Orangutan lookin Chris Mathews is not cool.
She will have the best name recognition of anyone ever! Coverage of her every night on every network.

Nika Brzezenski = Dumb Blonde!
Sorry blondes but this one proves it!

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Mika is Lump

FTW.

Christien on January 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Minus slavery, though, many of us would have been Democrats back then.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM

and some of us would have been…. Confederates…

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

I’m torn between Colonel Sanders or Ronald McDonald. Both crafted the country and made it great…

saltydogg14 on January 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Now – taking that as a baseline – what is the true definition of a FOUNDING FATHER? Some may have a limited a view of this and consider only people who had an imput into the Constitution as “Founding Fathers”.

But I say no – a “Founding Father” is anyone who’s shaped the nation in a significant way to get it where it is today. And by that definition – Martin Luther King is a “Founding Father”. FDR is a “Founding Father” … and yes, I would call the man who preserved the union (Lincoln) … a “Founding Father”.

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

Next.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

What’s your take on Big Brother? Any guy over 200 pounds?

nico on January 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Hahaha, classic.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Maybe Mika should have read Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, (which I was forced to memorize in the early 1970s, when they still taught US history in high school), where Lincoln said “Fourscore and seven years ago, our forefathers set forth upon this continent, a new nation…”

Lincoln himself said that it was 87 years before he spoke that the Founding Fathers from an earlier generation set forth the nation! Has Mika ever studied anything about Lincoln, other than his name?

Steve Z on January 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM

and some of us would have been…. Confederates…

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

I forgot who wrote the CSA constitution, but, again minus slavery, he did an awesome job cleaning up the Federal constitution.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM

General Greene… from MA to NC… deserves his propers.

What he did to Cornwallis led directly to the march to Yorktown and Cornwallis’ surrender there… not to mention his bravery and leadership from NY to Trenton.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:22 PM

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I started to read Jefferson Davis’ account of the CSA… fascinating and brilliant man.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Maybe Mika should have read Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, (which I was forced to memorize in the early 1970s, when they still taught US history in high school), where Lincoln said “Fourscore and seven years ago, our forefathers set forth upon this continent, a new nation…”

Lincoln himself said that it was 87 years before he spoke that the Founding Fathers from an earlier generation set forth the nation! Has Mika ever studied anything about Lincoln, other than his name?

Steve Z on January 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Nah….. she just thought he had gotten laid, 4 times, 7 years ago…. you know… 4 scores and 7 years?

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Sam Houston, the George Washington of Texas.

CDeb on January 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM

and by the way, she goes on to explain why she admired Washington, more than what a “pedestrian” could have done.

deidre on January 14, 2010 at 4:17 PM

What do you mean? She said he was “the leader and therefore should rise to the top”, and with her hand seemed to indicate that he was tall too. That is pretty f’in pedestrian. All she left out was the wooden teeth and the cherry tree.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

Next.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

What’s your take on Big Brother? Any guy over 200 pounds?

nico on January 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Pwnt.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 4:25 PM

I’ve gotta go with Warren Beatty. Statistically speaking, he has to be the father of about half of this country.

joedoe on January 14, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Mika must be a Democrat

J_Crater on January 14, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Ed,

You have the perspective on Washington all wrong. When it was time to reconsider the Articles of Confederation many States balked at the idea till it was known that Washington would BE THERE. Nor is it a consequence that Washington was picked to be the presiding President of the Convention. Never the brighest or the most well written. But his was a force of Acts of Conscience.

He was the indispensable man of the moment.

Dr. Dog on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

..her dad was a stiff too.

VoyskaPVO on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I have mixed feelings about Lincoln… in some ways he was one of the best Presidents and in some ways one of the worst.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

“Lincoln” is a dumb and wrong answer, “all of them” is merely a dumb answer.

YYZ on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

MSNBC only caters to the “intellectual elite”.

GarandFan on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Washington –

Led the military foray into Pennsylvania that started the Six Years (French and Indian) War, which led to -

The Stamp Act, The Townshend Acts The Intolerable Acts, The Quebec Act, quartering of redcoats in America, which led to -

The American Revolution, won by GW, which led to (eventuality) -

The Constitutional Convention, chaired by GW.

GW went on to establish precedent for Presidential and governmental behavior, which has taken the statists two hundred years to destroy.

Among all the heroes, patriots, and geniuses who had a hand in it, without GW, there would be no USA today. He wins by a landslide.

Filecchio on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

After reading McCullough’s 1776, I have to pick Washington. When Jefferson, Adams, Hancock, Franklin et al went into hiding with the other “summer soldiers and tavern patriots”, Washington was at Trenton in the face of almost-certain defeat. Among the other main founding fathers, only Hamilton and Thomas Paine were there with him. Washington may not have been an ideological purist, but he was there when it counted.

joe_doufu on January 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM

She tends to babble like an idiot. It didn’t help that when she finally got around to answering, her answer was technically correct but rather pedestrian.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:15 PMS

…..And, if Sarah had jumped in with an split second answer, you would say that Beck gave her the question ahead of time and that her answer was rehearsed….if you hated Sarah BEFORE, you hate Sarah now.
Sometimes, people like to THINK before opening their mouths~unlike Mika.

HornetSting on January 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM

My favorite is Davy Crockett. Him or Paul Bunyan.

Rod on January 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Check out some of what Tom Dilorenzo has wrote on Lincoln.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

I agree. Checkout The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked: What you’re not supposed to know about Dishonest Abe.

These are two very thought provoking books that actually changed my mind about whether Lincoln was the beginning of the huge, invasive federal government we see today. Lincoln was a huge central bank proponent, and there are a lot of other factual nuggets in there. Lincoln killed the founders vision of a limited republic through his actions as President.

The Dean on January 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM

My favorite founding father was John FootPenis Hancock.

(C’mon, that was a funny family guy joke)

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

While Family Guy is getting ridiculously stupid, that one was pretty funny.

Hancock: “It’s Hancock now”

Guy at podium: “Why?”

Hancock: “Mind your business that’s why.”

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM

joe_doufu on January 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM

And Generals Greene and Knox!

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Lewis Morris. No. Doubt. About. It.

Dusty on January 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Herbie Hancock.

catmman on January 14, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Jefferson and Paine are the best choices from here. Patrick Henry is underrated, and George Mason is even more underrated. Those would have been impressive answers from Palin. Madison is decent too, I suppose.

The Dean on January 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM

My favorite is Davy Crockett. Him or Paul Bunyan.

Rod on January 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Well, at least Davy Crocket was a real person… wasn’t born till like 1786 though….

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM

The Dean on January 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Yeah, the institution of “The Unite States IS” replacing “The United States ARE” happened under Lincoln. The concept of a “state” was reduced to that of a “province”. Somewhat understandable considering the war, but a horrible turn in US history.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:36 PM

“Stunningly Superficial”
~Zbigniew Brzezinski

Well said Zbig!

R Square on January 14, 2010 at 4:36 PM

I agree. Checkout The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked: What you’re not supposed to know about Dishonest Abe.

These are two very thought provoking books that actually changed my mind about whether Lincoln was the beginning of the huge, invasive federal government we see today. Lincoln was a huge central bank proponent, and there are a lot of other factual nuggets in there. Lincoln killed the founders vision of a limited republic through his actions as President.

The Dean on January 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM

I think even Glenn said that there were some things about Lincoln that he didn’t like. Like the fact that he pretty much took over the media and the government during the war.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM

The Dean on January 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM

And Richard Henry Lee who introduced the resolution to dissolve the relationship with Great Britain.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM

I have mixed feelings about Lincoln… in some ways he was one of the best Presidents and in some ways one of the worst.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

This country never had the chance to see Lincoln as a peacetime President. I beleive it to be slightly unfair to judge him on Federalist\constitutional issues with his whole Presidency was during war.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Sorry, Mika. MSNBC = not hot enuff for FNC.

BHO Jonestown on January 14, 2010 at 4:38 PM

For what it’s worth, my favorite has been James Madison…

My favorite was James Mason especially when he commanded the submarine Nautilis during the Revolutionary War.
(Consider that my application for a position as an MSNBC anchor)

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 14, 2010 at 4:39 PM

Maybe she meant “Honest” Abe Vigoda

ohiorebel on January 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM

What do you mean? She said he was “the leader and therefore should rise to the top”, and with her hand seemed to indicate that he was tall too. That is pretty f’in pedestrian. All she left out was the wooden teeth and the cherry tree.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Um…she just didn’t say he was the leader so that is why he was her favorite. This is her whole answer, but I’m sure you still believe it is pedestrian which is fine, we can agree to disagree.

BECK: That’s why we got to stop looking and start taking from the barrel and start picking from the tree. Who is your favorite founder?

PALIN: You know, well, all of them because they came collectively together with so much diverse .

BECK: Bull crap. Who is your favorite?

PALIN: So much diverse opinion and so much diversity in terms of belief, but collectively they came together to form this union.

(CROSSTALK)

PALIN: No, and they were led by, of course, George Washington, so he’s got to rise to the top. Washington was the consummate statesman. He serves, he returned power to the people. He didn’t want to be a king. He returned power to the people. Then he went back to Mount Vernon, he went back to his farm. He was almost reluctant to serve as president, too. And that is who you need to find to serve in government, in a bureaucracy.
Those who you know will serve for the right reasons because they’re reluctant to get out there and seek a limelight and seek power. They’re doing it for people. That was George Washington.

BECK: He is my favorite for that reason as well. He was the indispensable man. That’s why I say I’m waiting for George Washington to appear. Someone who doesn’t want to serve but will because he must. And someone who is so beyond question that he can bring people together and say look we have to do this. This can be hard.

PALIN: That’s exactly what we need to seek in a candidate. Someone -
- I’ll repeat this — almost reluctant to serve. Someone who will not prostitute themselves and say what they believe a voter wants to hear at that time in order to get elected but someone who the people find and ask, will you sacrifice, will you do this for our country to get us back on the right track?

deidre on January 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I’m stunned that someone employed by MSNBC would say something stupid, ignorant, and embarassing on the air.

NebCon on January 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Sometimes, people like to THINK before opening their mouths~unlike Mika.

HornetSting on January 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Or the teleprompter jesus, The Pinnochio Presidente!

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Do we count founding fathers as from the Constitution or from the Revolution? As I remember things (I’m old, so my memory is fuzzy), Washington held an Army together and dealt with a government who would have preferred not to fund it and often was really late with the payroll. He presided over the Constitutional Convention and worked diligently to strengthen the clauses forming the more perfect union. Had Washington witnessed the Civil War, there’s no doubt he would have been a Union officer — especially after dealing with fractious state politics in his own army. Washington worked the back rooms, and the shape and structure of our Constitution is the result.

unclesmrgol on January 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Test

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM

My favorite is Davy Crockett. Him or Paul Bunyan.

Rod on January 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM
Well, at least Davy Crocket was a real person…

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Precisely. Which is why I’m thinking Rip Van Winkle.

nico on January 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM

What’s with Buchanan saying, “He’s one of the six.” Even Morris (the other one) wrote of seven and he noted it was the top seven and not the only ones to be decsribed as our founding fathers.

Still Mika wins the dunce cap in a rout.

Dusty on January 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM

I dhunter do humbly ask,
“will you sacrifice, will you do this for our country to get us back on the right track”, Sarah 2012?

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM

MSNBC = Mika
Should
Not
Blather
Constantly

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:46 PM

I refuse to watch the click but why were they laughing at Palin?

LurkerDood on January 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM

The Cisco Kid has got to rank right up there..but he was pretty tight with Pancho, so was probably pro amnesty, so he loses a point or two in my mind. Same thing with the Lone Ranger/Tonto.

Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Mika is the idiot sidekick that exists on every 2 person radio show – the jerk who just sits there and say “yep, uh huh, oh gosh, gee wiz, oh you silly boy”, etc.

Mike is the master-don of TV idiot sidekicks.

jake-the-goose on January 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM

I like Palin, I trust Palin, I think Palin has a very good heart, but I sure wish she would speak with short, succinct wording. The never-ending sentence makes her look bad and takes away from what ever point she is trying to make.

When she is giving a speech, no one is better. When she worked from a script on SNL, she was dynamite! However, extemporaneous speaking is not her forte.

joedoe on January 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Th.J… just so ya know ;).

Phenomenal neighbor, believing in his own neighbors more than he did the Government.

ChipDWood on January 14, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I am. but shouldn’t be, amazed that the BDS has been transferred to Mr. Salin as PDS>The people who run her down and accuse her of unsubstantiated gaffes think that if they say it enough it will be true (re. alinsky). Unfortunately for all you morons that think she can’t do TV, she has a degree in journalism and has been an on-air broadcaster. How dare yo moronic idiots criticize her for following her trade. I’d like to see any of you bast***s do half as well. And, I am not particularly even a Palin fan, but I believe giving people an even break.

The fact that this thread has Palin in it and it is not written by Allahpundit but Ed Morrissy leaves me non-plussed.

My favorite founding father has to be Washington. First, he slept everywhere in New England. Second look at all the fine athletes (and entertainers) that are named Washington. He had to have some good genes.

Old Country Boy on January 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I refuse to watch the click but why were they laughing at Palin?

LurkerDood on January 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Most likely because she thought about it. In a way, it was another out of the blue question, and a question that I don’t think anybody has an immediate cut and dried answer to.
She did well imo.

Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM

MSNBC only caters to the “left-wing, arrogant douchebags”.

GarandFan on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Fixed it!!!!!

NathanG on January 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Now – taking that as a baseline – what is the true definition of a FOUNDING FATHER? Some may have a limited a view of this and consider only people who had an imput into the Constitution as “Founding Fathers”. But I say no – a “Founding Father” is anyone who’s shaped the nation in a significant way to get it where it is today. And by that definition – Martin Luther King is a “Founding Father”. FDR is a “Founding Father” … and yes, I would call the man who preserved the union (Lincoln) … a “Founding Father”. So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker. Next. HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Sounds like a true product of our modern public school system (un)-educated in relativism – so they don\’t have to study \”real\” history.

Queen0fCups on January 14, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Yes, Ed, Palin’s choice was pedestrian. And yours was so intellectual. Please. If she had picked Jefferson or Franklin, I’m sure there would have been snorts coming from the peanut gallery over that as well.

Frankly, I think her choice of Washington and the reason for it was quite telling considering what we are fighting against right now–entrenched politicians who covet power and will do anyting to keep it. If abhoring an oligarchy and holding up George Washington as the exact opposite of that is pedestrian, then I am perfectly fine with that.

Redneck Woman on January 14, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Mika is the idiot sidekick that exists on every 2 person radio show – the jerk who just sits there and say “yep, uh huh, oh gosh, gee wiz, oh you silly boy”, etc.

Mika is the master-don of TV idiot sidekicks.

Hired for her last name – and Daddy’s agreement to come on the show – too freaking often (another idiot)

Oh wait – Little girl takes after Daddy.

jake-the-goose on January 14, 2010 at 4:58 PM

I think her choice of Washington and the reason for it was quite telling considering what we are fighting against right now–entrenched politicians who covet power and will do anyting to keep it. If abhoring an oligarchy and holding up George Washington as the exact opposite of that is pedestrian, then I am perfectly fine with that.

Redneck Woman on January 14, 2010 at 4:54 PM

+1

NebCon on January 14, 2010 at 4:58 PM

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