Video: Mika Brzezinski picks Lincoln as favorite founding father?

posted at 3:35 pm on January 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Ah, karma.  In the middle of this MS-NBC gigglefest over Sarah Palin’s response to Glenn Beck on which Founding Father she likes best, Mika Brzezinski offers her opinion on the best Founding Father — who wasn’t born until 20 years after the US adopted its present Constitution. As Talking Points Memo and Stormin’s Morning Java warn, you have to listen carefully at the one-minute mark for Mika’s interjection of “Lincoln”:

For what it’s worth, my favorite has been James Madison, mainly for his work on the Constitution, although after reading the latest Samuel Adams biography, I’d call it a toss-up. George Washington is a good, if safe and a bit pedestrian, choice, given the example he set for all future Presidents in eschewing power. But I think Palin would know better than to say “Lincoln,” and it’s hilarious that the chuckleheads in this clip never even caught it coming from their own.

Update: A bit more from TPM:

“Wow, uuummm… Wow, I just need to, let me just process, okay,” Brzezinski remarked in response to the clip. Later Buchanan chimed in, “I would’ve gone with Hamilton, myself, Joe.” Shortly thereafter Brzezinski said from off-camera, “Me, Linc-, Lincoln, but okay.” Sarcastic joke? Or startling lack of elementary knowledge of American history? Hard to tell…

Not really.  Had Palin actually picked someone born 20 years after the Constitution was ratified, then perhaps Mika could be credited with a bit of wit with a Lincoln pick.  I think it’s “startling lack of elementary knowledge of American history,” which prompts the question of why MS-NBC has her  chortling over Palin’s perfectly acceptable selection of Washington — known to history as The Father of His Country.


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She’s hot enough to get away with it.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM

I like Sam Adams because he is the only one that can get me drunk! ;)

clement on January 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Mine is Reagan.

Geronimo on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

PLEASE SEND SCOTT BROWN MONEY!

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

It could have been worse — she could have meant Blanche.

D2Boston on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Liberals: not only soulless and evil to the core, but also just plain stupid.

SirGawain on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

She figured Hillary got away with saying she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.

ColumbusConservative on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Ha! She can’t be a pundit! She doesn’t know anything!
(tingle tingle)

singlemalt_18 on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

*confirmed*
Blondes can have fun with American History too.

What’s her dad think?

*facepalm*

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Wow, the drive-bys really are obsessed with this woman to be focusing on this. And BTW, that’s a really bizarre question. Your favorite founding father? I have trouble ranking my favorite movies, songs, and books.

Doughboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Let’s see…

I wonder…

Abby Adams on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

My favorite Founding Father is Willy Wonka for his tireless work to bring chocolate bars mixed with Pop Rocks to our nation.

*snif*

God bless him.

rihar on January 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Worse…she only stumbled over Lincoln because she almost said Obama.

Rocks on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Uz unedumcated sur gotz to lissen to r smaderer an mor edumcated in the media. Dem peebles knowz de bezt fer usins.

jukin on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

*confirmed*
American history not necessary to be part of intellegentsia.

34Cs are necessary though.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

It wouldn’t have mattered, they’d have slammed her anyway.

BKeyser on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

clement on January 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Washington had a distillary and made whiskey. I believe somone is currently marketing his forumula. So GW can get you there quicker.

dentalque on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

D2Boston on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

It could have been worse than that. I’m surprised she didn’t say Karl Marx.

kingsjester on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

John Adams: My favorite founding father. He was a patriot, when being a patriot wasn’t cool.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Educated class.

Besides, don’t you stupid Repubs know US history began on January 20, 2009?

/s

Dominion on January 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM

latest Samuel Adams biography

Double Bock….He has to win hands down.

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM

She’s ignorant and the network is stupid for hiring her.

Woody

woodcdi on January 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM

My favorite FF is Woody Wilson

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I have to agree on Madison.

I’m currently reading The Education of James Madison: A Model for Today by Mary-Elaine Swanson which actually has more biographical information than just his education. It is excellent.

PrincipledPilgrim on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Who heard this? Can’t be that many. It’s doubtful they have more than what, six or seven viewers? I’d consider watching, just with the sound off.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Whatever. Everyone knows the best founding father was a toss-up between Walter Peyton and Sean Connery.

robblefarian on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Roger Ailes is laughing also… all the way to the big evil bank.

mjbrooks3 on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Yeah, let’s not listen to Palin’s entire answer, and cut it off after the first quip. She stated her favorite founding father was George Washington, idiots.

Enoxo on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Remember … MSNBC hosts receive emails from the White House while on air telling them what to to say so the Lincoln suggestion probably came from them.

darwin on January 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM

John Adams by David McCulloch is excellent. As is “1776″ by same author.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM

never heard of the chick

Metro on January 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM

She said Lincoln, while laughing at Palin for choosing Washington…that is classic elitism…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM

MSNBC viewers: “Founding Father? Ain’t that a baby daddy? Ok, I got it, Peter Orszag!”

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Has to be Father Murphy, right? Helping all of those orphans and bringing everyone flowers….

Darksean on January 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Jefferson, he liked “negro dialect” in his women.

mjbrooks3 on January 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Please tell me she’s not a natural blonde.

txag92 on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Wow, the liberal cesspool that is MSNBC continues to show its desperation. Palin gave a perfectly acceptable answer.

And I didn’t hear a sarcastic tone in Mika’s off-camera “Lincoln” response. All I heard was someone with a history of saying stupid things say yet another stupid (and incorrect) thing.

diditagain on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

This is little concession for a horrible, horrible, answer to a question from Beck.

I have always supported Sarah, but if she wanted to get in the ring with the big guns (Fox News), then you better know what you are talking about. Glenn Beck worked long and hard for what he does, and he wasn’t going to just let Sarah Palin slip in and take all the spotlight from him.

I’m only surprised O’Reilly let her off so easily.

I had hoped for far better from Ms. Palin. I was rooting for her. But now, finally, she’s in over her britches.

Vincenzo on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Better not ever call Sarah stupid again. Ever. She can express herself more coherently and fluently than most. Except Rush.

Kissmygrits on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Say it to me in bed Mika. Real slow.

Mr. Joe on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

sarc

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Washington, Jefferson and Madison are the studs!

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Benjamin Franklin, the engineer.

tarpon on January 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Who did Palin pick?
I don’t think I ever saw that.

Count to 10 on January 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Personally I’ll take Richard Stockton.

Vincenzo on January 14, 2010 at 3:49 PM

That’s an answer “harry” (from the Beck/Palin thread) and most idiot liberals would give.

Narutoboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM

No, she really does think Lincoln was a founding father. This is what you get when you give someone a job based on their parents’ accomplishments. It’s just like Gloria Vanderbilt’s boy over on CNN going off about his oral experiences with another man’s furry boys. They just end up embarrassing their employer.

WarEagle01 on January 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Maybe Mika is confused because according to Obama, Lincoln (not Washington) is also responsible for the being the first to set aside a national day of Thanksgiving.

Buy Danish on January 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Give her a break people! Her daddy was on the show today too and she is doing a book tour. That would leave her other active brain cell for breathing.

TexasDave on January 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Ummmm….lemme process that….

Youngs98 on January 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM

It’s hilarious whenever that one smug jerk who’s the weak link in a smug circle breaks the chain of smug comments with a remark so stunning in its ignorance that the other smug jerks all have to pretend it didn’t happen.

Christien on January 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM

then you better know what you are talking about.

Vincenzo on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

What was incorrect about Palin’s statement or her choice?

Narutoboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

When asked who were the only 2 people in US history to be shot in the back of the head in a theatre? Mika responded, “Abe Lincoln and the guy sitting in front of Pee Wee Herman

Bevan on January 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

John Adams by David McCulloch is excellent. As is “1776″ by same author.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM

John Adams excellent book and HBO movie. Great man for working so hard for the country.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Jefferson

Zetterson on January 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Who did Palin pick?
I don’t think I ever saw that.

Count to 10 on January 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Washington because of his reluctance to hold power.

darwin on January 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM

What was incorrect about Palin’s statement or her choice?

Narutoboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

She hesitated! Don’t you see? She’s a dunce. Who can’t answer within a nanosecond who their favorite founding father is? It’s not like politicians aren’t asked that in every interview?

/sarc

Doughboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I’m surprised she didn’t pick the father of the 57 states … Barack Obama.

darwin on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Who did Palin pick?
I don’t think I ever saw that.

Count to 10 on January 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM

It wouldn’t matter to these people. They are determined to make everything she says a joke – and it’s poetic justice to see them shoot themselves in the feet like this.

Speaking of which…

Hey, Katie Couric: How come you didn’t correct Joe Biden when he declared that FDR was president when the stock market crashed? Because you didn’t know he was wrong?

capitalist piglet on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Hamilton was such a cad. I would have to go with him.

You should read the biography by Chernow. The start of it sounds like a Dickens novel. Never has anyone from such a lowly and obscure background thrust themselves so quickly upon the stage of national prominence and had such a profound impact on the nation’s history….

Oh, wait.

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

At least she didn’t say George III.

Track-A-'Crat on January 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM

My choice: John Adams.

Self-government requires the governing of the self. Adams recognized this more deeply than, I think, the others.

SteveMG on January 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Stupid Mika Brzezinski just threw a snark boomerang. It came right back and hit her in the face.

portlandon on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Although even that choice would’ve been easier for her to fumble her way out of than a hugely pre-conception Lincoln…

Track-A-'Crat on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Who says that people like Mika Brzezinski are stupid? If Bluto hadn’t told her that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor she’d be blaming innocent people like the Japanese.

Americannodash on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM

You can’t pick Just One…….

John Jay, and Hamilton, then Madison

Ask Mika what those 3 had in common……..

Janos Hunyadi on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Benjamin Franklin, the engineer.

tarpon on January 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Great article written by Ben Franklin about Welfare as we know it today. The key line in the article:

when you are sure that you have got a good principle, go thorough with it.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Has Mika gone over 25 copies in book sales yet?

kingsjester on January 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM

I can’t stand Hamilton. Jefferson was much better.

I’m not Catholic, but I’m impressed with Charles Carroll.

Tim Burton on January 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Ask Mika what those 3 had in common

Authors of the Federalist Papers?

SteveMG on January 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Has Mika gone over 25 copies in book sales yet?

kingsjester on January 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Mika wrote a book? I guess that answers your question.

Doughboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM

It could have been worse — she could have meant Blanche.

D2Boston on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Thank you. I just spewed Sprite out through my nose when I read this comment.

UltimateBob on January 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Sam Adams for me, but for someone on a network that insists that Sarah Palin is an intellectual lightweight to make a blindingly ignorant comment like that is priceless. So therefore next time Chris “Tingles” Matthews gets all wound up and starts going on about how clueless he thinks Sarah Palin is the reply should be that she is obviously more intelligent than your average MSNBC host and we have the video to prove it

Hellrider on January 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM

57 states … Barack Obama.

darwin on January 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM

58, isn’t it? If I remember correctly, he said he had BEEN to 57 States and had one left to go.

Narutoboy on January 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM

George Mason was underrated. He was the person who actually wrote the Bill of Rights. Ideas to pen, pen to parchment.

SteveMG on January 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Would make a good SNL skit.

farright on January 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Yeah she choked on that one. I’ve always admired Benjamin Franklin just for sheer creative genius. He wrote an inspiring autobiography remarkable for it’s brevity.

ronsfi on January 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Palin could recite every word of the Constitution from memory and those MSNBC dolts would berate her for it.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Hamilton was George Washington’s right hand man, wrote much of the Constitution and the points other founders disagreed with they later ended up adopting(see jefferson’s presidency for example)

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM

This is little concession for a horrible, horrible, answer to a question from Beck.

I have always supported Sarah, but if she wanted to get in the ring with the big guns (Fox News), then you better know what you are talking about. Glenn Beck worked long and hard for what he does, and he wasn’t going to just let Sarah Palin slip in and take all the spotlight from him.

I’m only surprised O’Reilly let her off so easily.

I had hoped for far better from Ms. Palin. I was rooting for her. But now, finally, she’s in over her britches.

Vincenzo on January 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM

I’m sorry, I usually like Beck, but this is stupid to say. Even Stu and Pat said on his show this morning that Glenn really jumped in before he let her finish. She was getting to Washington, but she was putting some background out there first before she just said Washington.

MobileVideoEngineer on January 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Hamilton is one reason I like Arron Burr.

jukin on January 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Does the Marquis de Lafayette count as a FF ?

He is my favorite

Jim T on January 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Influences important to Founding Fathers: Sir William Blackstone, practically a Founding Father.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM

George Mason was underrated. He was the person who actually wrote the Bill of Rights. Ideas to pen, pen to parchment.

SteveMG on January 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Amen. Not my favorite, but I wish he got more attention.

Abby Adams on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Mine is Reagan.

Geronimo on January 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM

+100

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Oh sweet karma. Mika, EPIC FAIL.

cubachi on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Washington is easily the greatest president of all time. He established the presidency as a temporary office and did what few other men have done throughout history when he relinquished power. People wanted him to be King and he could have easily ruled as the victorious leader of the Continental Army. Instead he resigned his commission as Commander in Chief. He is the embodiment of Republicanism and those who put citizenship before the pursuit of power. He served two terms as President and retired. He set that as tradition and it wasn’t until FDR that it was broken. If not for Washington’s humility, there is no President Lincoln. Hamilton and Franklin may be more popular, as far as founders go, but Washington is the one I hold in highest esteem.

Stickeehands on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Maybe there’s some “collective paternity” involved. All that Stupid can’t come from just one father, can it, Zbig?

Christien on January 14, 2010 at 4:04 PM

George Mason was underrated. He was the person who actually wrote the Bill of Rights. Ideas to pen, pen to parchment.

SteveMG on January 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM

In a moral sociey that respects the words of the constitution, many amendments in the BoR would not be necessary. 1st and 2nd come to mind right away.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I’ve got to second the nomination of Franklin, though I have some fondness for both Jefferson and Madison.

King Turnup on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

another non-remember, highly important founder:

John Witherspoon

highly influential on James Madisoon.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Uhm … okay …

Well we all jumped on Charlie Gibson when he asked Palin what the “Bush Doctrine” was – and we jumped him because there is NO definitive “Bush Doctrine”. There is only a hodgepodge of policy beliefs that people tend to lump together and call “The Bush Doctrine” … but it’s totally subjective and you get a different answer from different people depending on what they think the “Bush Doctrine” is.

Now – taking that as a baseline – what is the true definition of a FOUNDING FATHER? Some may have a limited a view of this and consider only people who had an imput into the Constitution as “Founding Fathers”.

But I say no – a “Founding Father” is anyone who’s shaped the nation in a significant way to get it where it is today. And by that definition – Martin Luther King is a “Founding Father”. FDR is a “Founding Father” … and yes, I would call the man who preserved the union (Lincoln) … a “Founding Father”.

So this story has as much relevance as a puff piece from Kathleen Parker.

Next.

HondaV65 on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

I pick John Jay because no one ever remembers him.

SouthernGent on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

So Palin says Washington, who is indeed a founding father, and this dim bulb says Lincoln, ater Buchanan says his pick? And they’re shredding Palin?

Not so surprising, but wow! Nothing like laying out your hypocrisy in front of the few hundred people that were watching.

capejasmine on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

I liked Palin’s answer!

deidre on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Well… to be fair…

Lincoln WAS the founding Father of a Country! The shortlived Confederate States of America….

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

I gotta go with Washington myself. He may not have been the thinker some of the others were, but when faced with temptation to violate his own ideology he declined. He turned down a possible monarchy and limited himself to two terms setting an important tradition that eventually became a law. Thomas “small government” Jefferson on the other hand expanded the powers of the federal government when he was in office. I admit the Louisiana Purchase was a good deal for the country but he still violated his own ideology. I’m not beating on Jefferson, a great man, but he wasn’t Washington.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Benjamin Franklin, the engineer.

tarpon on January 14, 2010

Only to call him an engineer doesn’t quite encapsulate the man. He was much more. Writer, publisher, inventor, ambassador ($13 billion from the French is nothing to sneeze at), etc. practically ad infinitum.

chimney sweep on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Stickeehands on January 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Hard to go against someone who walks away from Absolute Power.

That said, Washington’s brilliance is in large part due to Alexander Hamilton.

jp on January 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

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