Unemployment claims, foreclosures “unexpectedly” rise again

posted at 9:30 am on January 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Okay, let’s be fair; the CNBC report on unemployment claims doesn’t use the word “unexpectedly.”  They save that for the retail numbers in December, which surprised analysts.  They expected a gain in December, but instead sales retreated from a bump upward in November:

The number of newly laid-off workers requesting unemployment benefits rose last week as jobs remain scarce amid a sluggish economic recovery, while holiday retail sales were weaker than expected as well.

The Labor Department said new claims for unemployment insurance rose by 11,000 to a seasonally adjusted 444,000. Wall Street economists polled by Thomson Reuters expected an increase of only 3,000. …

Sales at U.S. retailers unexpectedly fell in December as consumer spent less on vehicles and an array of other goods during the holiday shopping month, data showed on Thursday, raising concerns about the durability of the economy’s recovery.

The Commerce Department said total retail sales fell 0.3 percent last month, the first decline in three months, after rising by an upwardly revised 1.8 percent in November. Sales in November were previously reported to have increased 1.3 percent.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast retail sales gaining 0.5 percent last month.

I think Reuters needs some new analysts.  In their defense, they’ve been listening to the Obama administration spin numbers all year long, and the history of recessions would indicate that growth would have started occurring by now.  I’ll have more on that in a separate post, but clearly the direction of economic policy in 2009 has even the analysts scratching their heads.

And if that wasn’t bad enough, the housing market provided even more bad news:

Foreclosures jumped 14 percent in December 2009 from the previous month, according to a new report from foreclosure listing Web site RealtyTrac.com. …

In all, 349,519 properties received a foreclosure notice in December, up 15 percent from the year before. That’s one in every 366 housing units receiving a foreclosure notice, which is defined as a default notice, bank repossession or auction sale notice. …

Besides the monthly data, RealtyTrac also released foreclosure totals for 2009. Last year, 2.8 million US properties received foreclosure filings, a 21 percent increase from 2008 and a 120 percent increase from 2007.

The numbers fell short of the 3 million to 3.2 million foreclosures RealtyTrac had predicted for the year because the government’s mortgage modification program has temporarily slowed foreclosures that will most likely occur anyway, Sharga said.

In fact, those numbers would have been higher had some of the recipients of TARP funds not agreed to moratoriums on foreclosures.  BofA, Citibank, and Fannie Mae all postponed actions on foreclosures in the fourth quarter of last year.  That won’t keep homes out of foreclosure, however; it will just delay the inevitable for people who can’t afford their house payments.  All these policies did was drag out the pain into another year, and keep people shoving cash out the door they could have used to start fresh, sinking instead into homes they won’t be able to keep.

These numbers, along with December’s employment numbers, show that we’re not in recovery.  We’re not even close to recovery yet.

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Heh. Pretty good new take on the old “me or your lyin’ eyes” quote.

jwolf on January 14, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Lying eyes, they’re watching you.
They see your every move.

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Can you guys tell me though, how bad is it looking back there in as far as the dollar losing it’s value? I’ve got pretty hefty savings, but that’s really all I have right now. Like I said, it’s sounding a little scary without some kind of diversification.

But seriously — this is a really good question. Virtually all my savings is in cash (little numbers in a bank database, actually) and people are urging me to buy into stocks and bonds because I am “missing out” — presumably on stock rises & dividends and such.

But, if we’re on the edge of a stock precipice, and the dollar is going to go into the toilet because of inflaction. WTF should I be doing with what I have?

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

So when is the data going to be funexpected?

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM

The gubmint is going to end up hiring over a million people for the census.
This will be sold as proof that businesses are hiring and the Maobama policies are working. The MSM will polish that turd til you can see your face in it.

Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Same concerns.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2010 at 10:30 AM

America is going to pay long and hard for their temper tantrum in 2008. 97% of the media should be taken out and hung for their malfeasance in vetting our dear leader.

jukin on January 14, 2010 at 10:30 AM

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM

As unemployment continues to worse, more an more people will start selling the stocks that they own, and liquidating their 401K’s, Keogh’s, etc. for the money they need to live on.

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Taxes went up on Jan 1, as the withholding tables were adjusted to account for the expiring of the Bush tax cuts.

Won’t take long for that hit to start affecting the economy.
MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:20 AM

I just took a quick scan of the tables for 2008 and 2009.

The tax on taxable income is actually lower.

But, the rub is, some exemptions have been eliminated, putting you in a higher bracket.. Effectively raising your taxes.

franksalterego on January 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM

So when is the data going to be funexpected?
WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM

How’s about Funclosure?

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Why is it that we hear more from the messiah on Haiti than anything in this country?

ORconservative on January 14, 2010 at 10:15 AM

He’s not responsible for the disaster in Haiti?

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I just took a quick scan of the tables for 2008 and 2009.

The tax on taxable income is actually lower.

franksalterego on January 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Don’t forget that they adjust the tax tables for inflation on Jan 1 as well.

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM

How ironic is it that those who are being paid to analyze the economy are constantly surprised by the numbers, and those of us who do it for free are not?

Vashta.Nerada on January 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM

You have to look at who these people are paid by. For the most part it is banks, brokerages, etc. And their “analysts” are paid to pump up things. No analyst will say “the economy is awful, don’t even think of buying stocks right now”. They will say “we think things are looking good and you should buy by the boatload”. And then when the economy gets worse, they are “surprised” and teh results are “unexpected”. It’s the same crap they pulled with .coms where pets.com had several buy rating the day before it went out of business.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM

But, if we’re on the edge of a stock precipice, and the dollar is going to go into the toilet because of inflaction. WTF should I be doing with what I have?
zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Trade-goods, things that you know you will need such as toiletries and other necessities. Buy now, stock up, and at least you will save something if a crumble occurs.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Why is it that we hear more from the messiah on Haiti than anything in this country?

ORconservative on January 14, 2010 at 10:15 AM

He’s not responsible for the disaster in Haiti?

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Bush is.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Don’t forget that they adjust the tax tables for inflation on Jan 1 as well.
–MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM

That sounds about right.. It calculates to be about 1.79%

franksalterego on January 14, 2010 at 10:46 AM

These numbers, along with December’s employment numbers, show that we’re not in recovery. We’re not even close to recovery yet.

Who said anything about recovery? Hell, we’re shootin’ for Utopia!

Now, fetch me my unicorn, me and the posse are headin’ on out to git that pot o’ gold there yonder ‘neath that thar rainbow.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM

/yosemitesamsarctagoff

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM

The only thing truly “unexpected” is that there are still some people employed. “In ‘unexpected’ news, the economy still retains some jobs!”

search4truth on January 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM

I think Reuters needs some new analysts.

Reuters makes MSNBC look impartial.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 10:49 AM

and keep people shoving cash out the door they could have used to start fresh, sinking instead into homes they won’t be able to keep.

More like give them more time to strip the appliances and copper plumbing out of the houses before they have to leave…

tommylotto on January 14, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Trade-goods, things that you know you will need such as toiletries and other necessities. Buy now, stock up, and at least you will save something if a crumble occurs.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM

With the just-in-time supply chain, there is a limit to what can be purchased at one time (BJ’s notwithstanding), but when I think about that strategy I realize that it’s not scalable because of the need to store, protect (from the elements), and potentially defend (from the government? from other people?) any substantial-enough-to-be-useful stock of goods.

I’m all for having a full larder for emergencies, but I don’t think we can store enough for five years. I’d like to think it would work, but I don’t see how.

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Christina Roemer was unavailable for comment. She’s undergoing lap-band surgery before Obamacare is enacted.

BuckeyeSam on January 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM

How many jobs will Pinnochio say he saved when we’re ALL unemployed?

HIS?

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

The sun rose in the East today. Unexpectedly.

joejm65 on January 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM


Analysts
Obama staffers polled by Reuters had forecast retail sales gaining 0.5 percent last month.

They also stated:

The recession is over!!!

The stimulus is working!!!!


Obama has “saved or created” millions of jobs and the economy is headed in the right direction!!!!


Hope….is….on….the….way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baxter Greene on January 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Now wait just a min. just yesterday the Obama administration said they have created or saved 2 million jobs.I am beginning to think that they are lying.But the women in Detroit a few months back said she was there to get some Obama money you know from his stash.This is all confusing i thought all Obama had to do is say it and it would come true.After all they said if he was elected the sea level would go down.This kind of news is shaking my belief in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

thmcbb on January 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM

But, if we’re on the edge of a stock precipice, and the dollar is going to go into the toilet because of inflaction. WTF should I be doing with what I have?
zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Trade-goods, things that you know you will need such as toiletries and other necessities. Buy now, stock up, and at least you will save something if a crumble occurs.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Gold, bullets, and cigarettes.

ncc770 on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Can you guys tell me though, how bad is it looking back there in as far as the dollar losing it’s value? I’ve got pretty hefty savings, but that’s really all I have right now. Like I said, it’s sounding a little scary without some kind of diversification.
But seriously — this is a really good question. Virtually all my savings is in cash (little numbers in a bank database, actually) and people are urging me to buy into stocks and bonds because I am “missing out” — presumably on stock rises & dividends and such.

But, if we’re on the edge of a stock precipice, and the dollar is going to go into the toilet because of inflaction. WTF should I be doing with what I have?

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Hmmm, this is question I heard at every holiday party and a topic that comes up eventually at the corner pub if you’re there as long as two pints.

Clearly, despite the Ministry of Truth data pumping the Hope & Change meme, Americans are bracing for even worse conditions.

As for an answer my only suggestion is tangible assets or currency speculation. The Canadian $ is remarkably solid, but their interdependence on the American economy makes me leery. The Australian $(I took a stake here)is a strong performer, the banking/financial system managed to avoid the madness that overtook the Euro/US systems, and their economy dodged a Howitzer sized bullet by rejecting outright Rudd’s Eco-Fascism isanity.

Overall I’m bullish on the Aussie $ and pretty hopeful for their economy in general, so equities down under maight worth investigating as well.

Here in the US regarding tangibles, keep in mind that due to laws on the books (since I beleive W.Wilson) all gold & silver bullion and coins may be confiscated by the Guv with your being reimbursed at a rate the of the Guv’s discretion. This is true, and happened over the 20′s & 30′s, the US guv confiscated at set price (low) held while restrucuring our currency model, and then sold back into the market at a set price(high). The only exception to this is what is called “numismatic coins”, inlay terms-old collectables. Coins whose value is derived by rarity & age over rather than weight in precious metal.(another limited play of mine)

Archimedes on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Why is it that we hear more from the messiah on Haiti than anything in this country?

ORconservative on January 14, 2010 at 10:15 AM

He’s not responsible for the disaster in Haiti?

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Bush is.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 10:45 AM


Racist!!!

Baxter Greene on January 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Well this post was highly unexpected…NOT!

PappaMac on January 14, 2010 at 11:20 AM

These numbers, along with December’s employment numbers, show that we’re not in recovery. We’re not even close to recovery yet.

There is no recovery, even though they try to re-inflate the bubble, until the original causes are corrected.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM

But seriously — this is a really good question. Virtually all my savings is in cash (little numbers in a bank database, actually) and people are urging me to buy into stocks and bonds because I am “missing out” — presumably on stock rises & dividends and such.

We’re up over %40 from the bottom, you’ve already missed out. You might catch the tail end, or you might get soaked, but have no worries you can try and time the double dip, and hope it’s not actually a massive decline that soaks you anyway.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Archimedes on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Thank you. Much better advice than I have been getting from the “money managers” I have spoken with. I really do appreciate it, and I will begin doing my due diligence on the strategy you outlined.

Speaking of which — how do you choose collectible coins? Isn’t that a lifetime-hobby area of expertise?

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

As unemployment continues to worse, more an more people will start selling the stocks that they own, and liquidating their 401K’s, Keogh’s, etc. for the money they need to live on.

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Exactly…it is a roller coaster ride that will end up with a big splash to slow down the coaster…
I have many businesses that I work with that are making 401 conversions to stave off going bankrupt, hoping for a turn in the economy…if it doesn’t turn their will be no more money to convert…
You are right on the money…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

But seriously — this is a really good question. Virtually all my savings is in cash (little numbers in a bank database, actually) and people are urging me to buy into stocks and bonds because I am “missing out” — presumably on stock rises & dividends and such.
zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Yeah, great, other people always know what to do with your money…ask them to guarantee, with a personal note, that you will make all that money, and see how many “professionals” will do that…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Gold, bullets, and cigarettes.
ncc770 on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Since someone brought it up – anybody have any recommendations as to the best places to buy gold?

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM

More evidence that economists are idiots.

If you are wrong about something dozens of times in a row, don’t you begin to pullback just a LITTLE bit.

notagool on January 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM

But, all of those numbers have been revised downward giving us negative growth in all those quarters when you take out the Porkulus effect, which means we are still in a recession/depression.

So which is it?

The GDP numbers are getting revised down regardless of Porkulus. We hear the initial estimates while the revisions get buried or go unreported by the major outlets.

In fact without Kenyesian pump-priming we’d see the true picture, that real GDP (without government injecting blood into the corpse) is negative, real unemployment is hovering close to 20% and employers are too afraid to hire because of what Cap-and-Tax and Health Care reform are going to do to their profitability.

TheMightyMonarch on January 14, 2010 at 12:06 PM

***
Comrade Obama (PBUH) sees economic beartrap, puts taxpayers and business’s foot into it. SNAP–OWWW! Another “Unprecedented” unforeseen economic problem.
***
Repeat as necessary! The Messiah will monitor for a trend. But no problemo–it worked real well for the Weimar Republic, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Russia, and (drumroll!) Zimbabwe.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on January 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Personally, I wouldn’t buy gold from any of the outfits that are advertising on TV and such. If the government decides to confiscate gold from the citizenry, they will probably be demanding a customer list from all those guys. It’ll make rounding up all that bullion and coinage so much easier. You might want to think about that.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Personally, I wouldn’t buy gold from any of the outfits that are advertising on TV and such. If the government decides to confiscate gold from the citizenry, they will probably be demanding a customer list from all those guys. It’ll make rounding up all that bullion and coinage so much easier. You might want to think about that.

I’m thinking “all-cash local transaction” ;-)

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Since someone brought it up – anybody have any recommendations as to the best places to buy gold?

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM

I just bought some 1/10 oz. Kruggerands from APMEX. You’re going to pay a premium over smelt value but I found it reasonable and delivery was fast.

You might also look into some “junk” silver coins from local coin dealers. My collection isn’t pretty, some late 19th century silver dollars and some pre-1964 Kennedy and Franklin coins, but it’s physical silver in my hand (well, locked in my gun cabinet next to the Remington). In a SHTF scenario they may well be the only acceptable form of currency.

TheMightyMonarch on January 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here as well:

Okay, so who is the idiot that didn’t expect unemployment claims to increase, given the hideous job-destroying vote that occurred in the Senate on Christmas Eve?

Have aliens kidnapped me in the middle of the night and dropped me on the planet Moron?

Sometimes it seems so.

Given that the private sector (which is what drives the economy to begin with) is being slowly strangled to death by the government now in place, how could anyone with an IQ above room temperature actually believe that there is going to be any kind of a real economic recovery?

Small business is our nation’s largest employer. Take a moment and put yourself in the position of a small business owner facing this:

* He knows that he is going to be nailed with a 5% tax increase when the Democrats allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.
* One version of ObamaCare calls for another 5.4% tax increase on his business profits to pay for health care.
* The Democrats want to make it easier for his workplace to be unionized.
* He’s going to have to pay a penalty if he doesn’t provide health insurance for his employees.
* If he does provide health insurance the premiums are sure to go up.
* The Democrats Cap and Trade program will cost him even more money.
* The Democrats want to expand the Americans with Disabilities plan and the Family Leave Act to include his company.
* The Democrats are threatening to raise both his Social Security taxes and his Medicare Taxes.*

Think you’ll be looking to expand your business by hiring more people while staring the above right in the face?

Apparently there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who were “educated” in government schools run by Postal Service rejects, that are of the mistaken belief that you will.

Under the above conditions, there will be an economic recovery all right, and its going to start five days after Hell freezes over.

*List courtesy of Neal Boortz.

Dave R. on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

I have considered that possibility that they may wish to confiscate it at some point – question is whether you need to provide ID even when buying from a local dealer.

[I find that idea totally repugnant BTW]

Cash and Cache also hold true for Ammo and firearms – if you get my meaning.

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM

sluggish economic recovery

They seem determined to call the economic environment as a recovery when it plainly is not. What will it take to wake the LSM up?

dogsoldier on January 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I’m thinking “all-cash local transaction” ;-)

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

That would be smarter I would think.

The suggestions about ‘junk’ silver coins are also good. They are probably going to be more useful in a SHTF scenario. Better to trade a couple of silver coins for that bag of potatoes than a 1 oz. K-rand.

You could also buy junk silver coins or even junk gold jewelry at local auctions or yard sales. I have a relationship with a local precious metal refiner from my days in the jewelry business, though. That avenue may be more difficult for you.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM

I have considered that possibility that they may wish to confiscate it at some point – question is whether you need to provide ID even when buying from a local dealer.

[I find that idea totally repugnant BTW]

Cash and Cache also hold true for Ammo and firearms – if you get my meaning.

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Keep your purchases small. Under the threshold for reporting a transaction to the government. If the dealer insists on collecting personal information of any kind, find another dealer. Lots of those guys will be happy to deal with you as ‘Mr. Cash’ or ‘Mr. Green’.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 12:57 PM

How’s about Funclosure?

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I’d rather Funelect The Unprecedented

ya2daup on January 14, 2010 at 1:07 PM

You can just kiss my Nobel Peace Prize!

Paul_Krugman on January 14, 2010 at 9:51 AM

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Believe it or not, Krugman won the Nobel Prize in Economics, no doubt because he foresaw that terms like “unexpected” and “unprecedented” would receive more airplay if economic policies he championed came into wider use.

ya2daup on January 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Dave R. on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

It’s worse than you stated:

Apparently there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who were “educated” in government schools run by Postal Service rejects, that are of the mistaken belief that you will must

.

All you need do to confirm this is to listen to The Unprecedented bash small businesses for heartlessly squeezing productivity out of their workers and bitterly clinging to their profits when he spoke at the closing of the December “Jobs Summit”.

ya2daup on January 14, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Archimedes on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Thank you. Much better advice than I have been getting from the “money managers” I have spoken with. I really do appreciate it, and I will begin doing my due diligence on the strategy you outlined.

Speaking of which — how do you choose collectible coins? Isn’t that a lifetime-hobby area of expertise?

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

I lucked out on this one, a family member is a antiquities collector. I am still trying to finagle buying a Nero’s-head roman coin off her, to no avail as yet. This particular coin would be my investment in irony-futures so to speak, as we watch Obama fiddle while the economy burns.

Archimedes on January 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM

This is all being done on purpose…

Seven Percent Solution on January 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I’m 2 for 3 and working towards hitting the trifecta!

1) Filed for unemployment on 1/3;
2) Skipped Christmas;
3) I’ll end up foreclosing in 2010!

Ok, actually I hope to avoid #3.

Mr_Magoo on January 14, 2010 at 1:46 PM

I am surrounded by foreclosures here these days. Most of these are not paying their taxes or their mortgages leaving the rest of us to be assessed for the difference in local levies. Are the mortgagers responsible for the taxes or are they just in limbo? Also, those properties that have gone into voluntary bankruptcy are among the worst. They, apparently, can live in their homes scot free unless and until the bank, the civic entities or the bankruptcy courts decide to take action. Does this not make us all responsible for this Dem Party created mess twice. Once with the bail outs and now again as we pick up the slack?

jeanie on January 14, 2010 at 2:23 PM

This is all being done on purpose…

Seven Percent Solution on January 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I don’t think so. If your goal was to destroy the U.S. then sure, but they want to transform it, and they need an economy to achieve their goals. I believe that the economic woes are a serious roadblock to what they are trying to accomplish.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 2:23 PM

(Maybe I should buy a farm and let Simple Simon, Jimbo 3, Bleeds Blue Crr6 Norman Blitzer work there for what they owe us for their health care)

hawkdriver on January 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Plow ‘em under for fertilizer (and Dave742, too). That’s about all they’re good for. :-P

Mary in LA on January 14, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Maybe I should buy a farm and let Simple Simon, Jimbo 3, Bleeds Blue Crr6 Norman Blitzer work there for what they owe us for their health care)

hawkdriver on January 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Plow ‘em under for fertilizer (and Dave742, too). That’s about all they’re good for. :-P

Mary in LA on January 14, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Those shiftless jerks would never make it on a farm or ranch.
This requires REAL work, in the outdoors at all times of the year.
Their fishbelly white bloated corpse-like bodies would only wither & die from such hard work.

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 2:47 PM

expected an increase of only

Which of course doesn’t count as an instance of “unexpectedly.”

MJBrutus on January 14, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Last week I posted that friends were having trouble getting through to the unemployment offices in their states in order to initiate their UE claims.

I spoke with one of them last night (in RI)

Well, you guessed it! He couldn’t get through all day yesterday and now will miss this week’s submission cut-off and will roll onto next week.
A suppression of statistics: you betcha.
singer on January 14, 2010

Wild Wild guess here Singer. Has it been more than 15 years since the last time your friends had to file UE claims?

I check Rhode Island has a “file on line” ability.

A new problem we haven’t heard yet.

Long term formally employed people lost in the “new” unemployment “system”

Here’s a link for RI UE claimes

https://uiclaims.state.ri.us/RI-ICS/intro/welcome.aspx

Welcome to the Rhode Island

Unemployment Insurance (UI)
Internet Claims System This site permits a Rhode Island worker to file a claim for Unemployment Insurance via the Internet. If you are visually-impaired, have difficulty in positioning a mouse, or experience any other problem with this site, you may file over the telephone. To receive telephone contact information and hours of operation for the Rhode Island Unemployment Insurance Call Center, please press the “Contact” button below. You may call the Rhode

Island Department of Labor and Training (RIDLT) for alternative access information to all Rhode Island Unemployment Insurance Services.

DSchoen on January 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM

DSchoen on January 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM

As a born and bred RIer(now elsewhere), you gave me a much needed laugh with your UE story. I recall having to take a whole day off from work if I planned to visit the DMV because it always took about that to get it done. My brother-in-law called the other days and vented for fully 20 minutes on the ‘efficiency’ of the average RI bureaucratic institution. Isn’t just un-employment,It’s everywhere down there. A way of life.

jeanie on January 14, 2010 at 3:35 PM

The suggestions about ‘junk’ silver coins are also good. They are probably going to be more useful in a SHTF scenario. Better to trade a couple of silver coins for that bag of potatoes than a 1 oz. K-rand.
trigon on January 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Think of Haiti right this moment. No one wants silver. No one cares.
Water.
Tobacco.
Food.
Fuel.
Ammo, maybe. Some cheap guns. Think Hi-Points.
Long term? Who knows. I can’t begin to pretend I do. Buy land if you want. You’ll have somewhere to go, at least, and (assuming recovery) it will have value and be a true possession. For a while, at least, assuming our masters like you.

rogerb on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

This particular coin would be my investment in irony-futures so to speak, as we watch Obama fiddle while the economy burns.

Archimedes on January 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM

I love the irony, Archimedes, and thanks again for the ideas.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM

I hadn’t even heard of junk silver until I stepped into my local coin shop this afternoon after Archimedes’s post. I guess I have a lot to learn about the subject!

ncc770 on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Fake8 on January 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM

rogerb on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Gd, I hope it doesn’t come to that. I really do. When I mentioned to my husband that I wanted to buy gold, the first thing he said (after “Didn’t I already tell you to?”) was “I was thinking we should get a gun.” And we live in (heaven help us) Massachusetts!

zenscreamer on January 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Seems like the banks might be better off charging local rental prices as mortgages until such time as the housing market picks up again (if ever). The life of the mortgage could be extended to cover the lost amounts in the meantime, or in other words the deed holder could defer its interest payments until a later time.

Of course they won’t…greed factor. If the principal is allowed to be paid down and then the interest payments kick in later they’ll be lower-unless of course the interest rates are jacked up to make up for the loss.

I can’s see how this many properties (and growing)are going to be bought up anytime soon and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM

How ironic is it that those who are being paid to analyze the economy are constantly surprised by the numbers, and those of us who do it for free are not?

Vashta.Nerada on January 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM

I highly doubt the analysis are actually surprised very often. Any of their estimates should come with a confidence interval which should be wide enough to catch a reasonable differences. This one may be a little different because all the have to go on is industry and govt reports and as I recall in December they were all big gains in retail sales especially late in the month.

As for the unexpected, it’s usually a reporter who writes that in the story. I would be surprised is more than 1 or 2% of reporters even understand what a confidence interval is. What they do understand is how to write grabbing stories (or they think they do). Who wants to read about “retail sales within expected range” when they could read “retail sales unexpectedly drop/rise”. I wouldn’t be surprised if analysts get involved, reporters don’t want to talk to people who bore them with numbers, they want the hard and fast.

jarodea on January 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Gold, bullets, and cigarettes.

ncc770 on January 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

And alcohol.

I don’t think so. If your goal was to destroy the U.S. then sure, but they want to transform it, and they need an economy to achieve their goals. I believe that the economic woes are a serious roadblock to what they are trying to accomplish.

DFCtomm on January 14, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I agree, the problem I think is they don’t know any better. Obama doesn’t want to crash the economy because yes then from where would the money for his great transformation come? It’s just no one in his administration understand that’s exactly what they’re doing.

I also agree on the bubbles. Were on what, our 4th or 5th one now? It’s just going to make fixing the original problem harder with each one.

jarodea on January 14, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Is this unexpectedly unprecedented?

VoyskaPVO on January 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM

No, but it is unprecedentedly unexpected.

NoFanofLibs on January 14, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Think of Haiti right this moment. No one wants silver. No one cares.
Water.
Tobacco.
Food.
Fuel.
Ammo, maybe. Some cheap guns. Think Hi-Points.
Long term? Who knows. I can’t begin to pretend I do. Buy land if you want. You’ll have somewhere to go, at least, and (assuming recovery) it will have value and be a true possession. For a while, at least, assuming our masters like you.

rogerb on January 14, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Having actually experienced being in a 7.0 earthquake, you’re right. Immediately afterward nobody is going to be worried about commerce. You might have trouble with your other supplies like water, fuel, food and guns if the place you’ve got them stashed is collapsed or burning. Also, sooner or later, commerce of one sort or another will start.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM

I stopped contributing to my 401k at work. I know the stock market is going to tank again, and I don’t see any reason to pump money in there and then have it blow away. We are using that money to pay down debt. Better use of it, and it saves my company money since they don’t have to match my contributions right now.

Once the proper economic policies are instituted (i.e., Obama is out of the White House, a fiscal conservative who understand economics is in the WH, and those policies are implemented) then I will start contributing to my 401k again.

MeAlice on January 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Also, sooner or later, commerce of one sort or another will start.

trigon on January 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Agreed. I just don’t know what will be viewed as “worth” something until the people in power tell me what it is that they’ve got the most of. It’s likely that shiny metal would eventually come back into style, and I hope I can leave my children some, but a cellar full of salt might be more valuable for a three to five year investment. And it’s so cheap right now that we’re buying it to throw on our driveways. Now that I think about it, the money I’ve invested in gold might’ve been better spent building a nice reinforced stone wall around my property…

rogerb on January 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM

These unemployment statitics are a little misleading. Is there any official tracking of ALL unemployed people? This report is only for FIRST TIME claims. What about those that have been through the 13 week or 26 week cycle and have either renewed, or are no longer collecting while still unemployed? What about those that may have found temporary work that has ended and are now considered “second time” filers?

What are the REAL numbers?

cannonball on January 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM

What are the REAL numbers?

cannonball on January 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM

17.5%

Ed Laskie on January 15, 2010 at 8:20 AM

17.3% sorry

Ed Laskie on January 15, 2010 at 8:22 AM

I’ve been down so god-damned long
That it looks like up to me.

Jimmy Morrison

MJBrutus on January 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

Now that I think about it, the money I’ve invested in gold might’ve been better spent building a nice reinforced stone wall around my property…

rogerb on January 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Depending on where you live, that might be an excellent idea indeed. Better yet – talk to your neighbors and see about a joint venture.

When you get right down to it, boundaries are utterly useless without some kind of physical barrier to enforce them…a fact the USA still refuses to recognize with its southern border.

Dark-Star on January 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM

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