Dems, unions agree on new plan to tax Cadillac plans

posted at 12:15 pm on January 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Under pressure from Barack Obama to come to terms with a Senate plan to tax high-value medical coverage, unions and Congressional Democrats have apparently agreed to accept some taxes that would impact their membership — but not right away.  The plan reported by the AP would exempt any plans created by collective bargaining prior to 2013, which means that unions won’t have to worry about the tax until at least 2015 or beyond, depending on the schedule for renegotiation:

The White House has reached a tentative agreement with union leaders to tax high-cost medical plans, one of the final obstacles in the way of President Barack Obama’s health care remake, officials said Thursday.

Details of the agreement were not immediately available. The tentative deal was expected to be presented to congressional leaders Thursday as negotiators try to wrap up an agreement on core elements of the sweeping legislation as early as Friday.

The proposed tax has been a major sticking point because early versions from the Senate would have hit union members, who have negotiated generous health benefits, sacrificing higher wages. House Democrats were strongly opposed, and did not include the tax in their bill. But Obama favored the tax, citing the consensus opinion of economists that it would help hold down costs by nudging workers into less pricey coverage.

But these concessions will mean less revenue, even theoretically:

Officials familiar with the negotiations said Wednesday that options being considered to lessen the impact on union members included raising the threshold at which the tax would be levied — it’s $23,000 for family plans in the Senate-passed bill — and exempting collective bargaining agreements negotiated before 2013 from the tax.

Under that scenario the tax wouldn’t hit until union contracts were renegotiated, delaying its impact on most union health plans until perhaps 2015 or 2016. There was also discussion of lessening the impact of the tax in high-cost regions of the country — where insurance premiums cost more — by imposing the tax on a sliding scale.

A sliding scale?  That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.  Specifically, that states that Congress has the power to levy taxes, “but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]“  The founders wrote that clause to ensure that the federal government did not overburden some states to favor others.  If the federal excise tax on health insurance gets applied with a “sliding scale” based on regional costs of living, that appears to be an explicit and clear violation of Article I, Section 8; it certainly will get challenged on that basis.

Of course, that’s not the only constitutional problem with the bill, and the bigger problem for Democrats in the short term will be what these concessions cost in terms of theoretical revenue.  Charlie Rangel (D-NY) told the AP that the conference could have terms ready for the CBO as soon as tomorrow, and the CBO will probably need a few days to analyze the proposal.  However, it will definitely cut into the revenues for ObamaCare, which already expands deficit spending, especially after Congress applies its “doctor fix” and rescinds the cuts to Medicare reimbursements.

It’s all academic in any case.  The only health-insurance plans that will still be offered under the heavy taxation proposed by ObamaCare will be the union plans, since it takes renegotiation to change their terms.  All other employers will move away from such plans, and health insurers will recast their plans to avoid the taxes.  The revenues were mainly illusory all along, and now that the unions have won a temporary exemption, there won’t be any plans left to tax.

In the end, this will make the fiscal structure of ObamaCare worse instead of better.  Expect the new compromise to create more problems in the Senate.

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Unconstitutional – dead on arrival.

Rebar on January 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM

enjoy your trip under the bus —unions.
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Suckers!

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

In a related story, a select committee of democrats is re-writing the US Constitution, with no need for a vote.

Vashta.Nerada on January 14, 2010 at 12:19 PM

I have been watching the debate on c-span, really interesting…Ha!
Imagine, taxing someone for having excellent health care…unbelievable…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 12:19 PM

I’m waiting for Obama to simply tax people for having Cadillac Health. You haven’t been sick? Pay up, buddy.

trubble on January 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM

So much for ‘nothing will happen until February’….

joejm65 on January 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Every day—-no matter how bad it gets–Obama and the rest of the Democrats full speed ahead!!!!!

mobydutch on January 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Only in America can you have all your dreams come true, just don’t get carried away. Too much of a good thing is not a good thing.
/s

Electrongod on January 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

I don’t think they are getting 60 in the Senate this go around.

I think Lincoln or Evan B (can’t remember how to spell his last name) are going to bolt.

Brown’s surge in popularity has to be making them very very nervous.

gophergirl on January 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Gee, why do I have to pay a tax on mine? I am a citizen, too.

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

So much for uniting the country.

This isn’t surprising. We all knew they would cave somehow.

deidre on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

The founders wrote that clause to ensure that the federal government did not overburden some states to favor others.

Well, wouldn’t that make the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback also Unconstitutional?

Knucklehead on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Yeah. Health care won’t cost us anything. Arrogant idiots in Washington, DC.

cubachi on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Senate to pass a law requiring every American to belong to a union. Problem solved.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Imagine how much the congressman and senators have to pay for their health plans…sometimes trying to be funny is so depressing…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Release the hounds.

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Wow, Obama has powers I knew nothing of. Powers of persuasion.
Wonder what he threatened them with..

bridgetown on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

The deal was made to advance to bill because they KNOW that Coakley will lose, and they have to get it to the ONE before swearing in time.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I’m glad I’m amish.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I’m glad I’m Texan.

txag92 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Ed, can you put the headline comments in here?

upinak on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

So how can we set up “family unions”…I can just imagine, instead of being married, gays will now demand to have “civil unions” to save money…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

The only point of such plans is a loophole to get around paying income tax for extremely highly paid union workers. There will zero revenue from this provision.

pedestrian on January 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Imagine, taxing someone for having excellent health care…unbelievable…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Imagine, taxing people in different states at different rates! Un fricking believable. Oh and totally unconstitutional as Ed points out. Obama care will be overturned by SCOTUS if it passes, just a matter of time. but in the meantime Obama can proudly point out that he and he alone got this monster passed.

His legacy is assured, just not in th eway he thinks it will be. The second coming of Lincoln he is not.

Johnnyreb on January 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

In short, “Our plan is that we’ll going suck the money out of everyone except our most valuable constituents and the congressmen we had to bribe to vote for this piece of sh1t.”

Daggett on January 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

I’m glad I’m and Amish Texan

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Yeah, get smart–join a union or become Amish.

mobydutch on January 14, 2010 at 12:26 PM

That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

Ed, do you think that really matters to leftists if it enables passage of the bill? I think they want to pass it now, and deal with issues like Constitutionality and finance later.

petefrt on January 14, 2010 at 12:26 PM

What is this “Constitution” of which you speak.

In other news, current union thugs heads plan to retire between 2013 & 2015.

rbj on January 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM

The dems really don’t care if this is Unconstitutional. They say the Constitution is a flawed document so they aren’t even going to condsider the Constituion when debating this.

Really it’s all the republicans fault though for being the party of No. If the republicans would just say yes we wouldn’t be having these problems at all.
/sarc

Brat4life on January 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Are not the Amish citizens as well?? They need to sell more jellies and jams to pay for their healthcare too!!

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

This “compromise” means that eventually union members will either lose the coverage or pay more taxes anyway.

LOL looks like the union membership was sold out by the union leadership and the leftists in power for purely political purposes to me. I love it, this is not going to go over well, the political damage to the socialists in power is going to be amusing to watch.

elduende on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Is there a website to sign up to become Amish? /sarc

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

What Constitution? They know what’s best for the people and that’s what they are going to get.

rjoco1 on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Wow, Obama has powers I knew nothing of. Powers of persuasion.
Wonder what he threatened them with..

bridgetown on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Ummmm….$$$$?

BigWyo on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

I’m glad I’m amish.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Heh, we’re all Amish now.

petefrt on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

I’m glad I’m Texan.

txag92 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

That is the problem. Just because you think your state will be immune it won’t be. Rememeber the Bank Fee’s per Obama? That will be National.

There is also this tidbit concerning federalizing the National Guard via your Governors and even if your “State” is in need of them, the President can order for them… no matter what. Are you scared yet???

upinak on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

I thought we were all getting the same coverage that Congress gets. Don’t they have a Cadillac plan?

Ronnie on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

What Constitution? They know what’s best for the people and that’s what they are going to get.

rjoco1 on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

And they are gonna looooove it!!!

ladyingray on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

I’m glad I’m an illegal.

LibTired on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

heh, we’re all Amish Texans named Mary Jo Kopechne now. Who wants a ride in Teddy’s Oldsmobubble…..

glug glug…
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BTW, what the hell happened to another month of dithering according to charlie rangel?

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Heh, we’re all Amish now.

petefrt on January 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Indeed. Where do I sign up for my hat and barn?

Darksean on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

They piss on the Constitution.

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Well, wouldn’t that make the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback also Unconstitutional?

Knucklehead on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Yes, but not if you’re a Democrat.

Dopenstrange on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Another day, another sleazy payoff to Obama’s crooked supporters to get his health care monument to himself passed.

DamnCat on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Unconstitutional – dead on arrival.

Rebar on January 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I guess you didn’t get the memo…. the constitution will be done away with. CHANGE!!!

grapeknutz on January 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Ted Kennedy’s plan is that all people will never need private healthcare insurance. It worked for Mary Jo

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM

I’m waiting for Obama to simply tax people for having Cadillac Health. You haven’t been sick? Pay up, buddy.

trubble on January 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM

But the Government already owns Cadillac, along with the rest of GM.

Steve Z on January 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Yes, the Obama administration and the donk congress are a kleptocracy.

jukin on January 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM

He, (obama), can’t set a date for the State of the Union until he gets this Health care bill passed.

mobydutch on January 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Call your reps and raise caine! Tell them if they won’t read the bill, maybe they could read the Constitution.

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

The Democrat Party has simply run out of legal ways to take money away from US citizens.

They are now forced to violate the Constitution, banking totally on the liberal make-up of the Supreme Court to bless the legislation.

BobMbx on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

Ya know, unconstitutionality hasn’t stopped these bastards yet. It won’t stop them from doing this either.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Brown by 4.5
Swear him in fast…
Vote no

Case closed.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

This administration is nothing but a gaggle of crooked shysters making deals in back rooms and hiding their activities from the people. This is really disgusting and sick.

rplat on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Call your reps and raise caine! Tell them if they won’t read the bill, maybe they could read the Constitution.

bloggless on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Or the help wanted ads after November

grapeknutz on January 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Yep, they know Coakley’s in real danger in Mass.

I’m telling you folks, our own government is working against the citizens. Against our will. It’s completely corrupt and, I believe, insane.

Oink on January 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM

“Why yes, Mr. Fed, all of us Amish are allowed to own HDTV’s, pickups, snowmobiles and fridges full of beer, some others choose not to partake.”

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM

I made Amish friendship bread this holiday season. Can I claim to be Amish?

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM

The most disgusting thing about this whole mess is that it is intentional. When will people realize this?

mobydutch on January 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM

I’m pretty sure my Senator Ben Nelson will hold his ground and not allow this preferential payoff treatment to happen.

He told me so.

cntrlfrk on January 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Obama care will be overturned by SCOTUS if it passes, just a matter of time.

I wouldn’t be overly confident of that. The court’s already neatly divided along partisan lines (what the Constitution actually *says* doesn’t matter to a sizable number of justices up there) – and it’s composition may change while Obama’s in office.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Senate to pass a law requiring every American to belong to a union. Problem solved.

Bishop on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

I am in, if there is an Amish community that would let me keep my guns/ammo!

Sir Napsalot on January 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM

DOESN’T EVERYONE JUST LOVE THE JEDI MIND TRICKS…

Ltlgeneral64 on January 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM

More vote buying with the money of the producers. Any exemption will be unconstitutional and those fools know it. The sound bites that Republicans will have during the campaign this year are an endless supply of material. The idiots in Washington think that the entire voting population in this country are all reading the Daily KOS.

orlandocajun on January 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I’m glad I’m amish.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I have a feeling the 2010 census is going to record a massive explosion in the Amish population in the USA.

Daggett on January 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM

The White House has reached a tentative agreement with union leaders to tax high-cost medical plans,

Anybody catch these negotiations on CSPAN?

What, you mean they weren’t broadcast on CSPAN???

taznar on January 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Brown by 4.5
Swear him in fast…
Vote no

Case closed.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Mass. election officials discover ballots previously uncounted. Coakley picks up 4.6 in the recount. Charlie Brown GOP kicks at Lucy DNC’s football – and misses – once again.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

When hard core liberal institutions are worried about their members getting screwed by the government solution then you know for sure it’s a truly crappy bill for everyone else.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I’m glad I’m amish.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Is this how you access hotair?

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM

The plan reported by the AP would exempt any plans created by collective bargaining prior to 2013, which means that unions won’t have to worry about the tax until at least 2015 or beyond, depending on the schedule for renegotiation:

Meaning that Obama’s successor in the White House (probably a Republican) will have to face union goons angry about increased heath-care taxes early in his (or her) first term.

Meanwhile, the guilty party will be writing his thesis on Republican governance, “The Voracity of Nope”, while working on his suntan on Waikiki Beach to the delight of Harry Reid.

Steve Z on January 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM

I have a feeling the 2010 census is going to record a massive explosion in the Amish population in the USA.

Daggett on January 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM

That sounds like fun. I just might have to check that box if available.

WashJeff on January 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM

There was also discussion of lessening the impact of the tax in high-cost regions of the country — where insurance premiums cost more — by imposing the tax on a sliding scale.

Is it even true that premiums cost more in “high-cost regions of the country”? Don’t costs have a lot to do with state mandates, competition, and the health of members of the insurance pool?

Buy Danish on January 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM

I don’t know how to do the FIFY edits, but the “union members, who have negotiated generous health benefits, sacrificing higher wages” should read:

“union members, who have extorted generous health benefits without sacrificing higher wages”

boko fittleworth on January 14, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I’m glad I’m amish.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I’m Reformed Amish – we believe in the internets.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Brown by 4.5
Swear him in fast…
Vote no

Case closed.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

is this a poll or a prediction?

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM

can i be amish today too, i rode in a horse/buggy once and can grow a nice beard?

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM

I’m Reformed Amish – we believe in the internets.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Mennonite relief?

upinak on January 14, 2010 at 12:46 PM

What is the matter with these people? Can they really be this clueless?

Poll after poll should be telling them that the people are FED UP with all the Washington backroom dealmaking on this legislation. The machinations with this tax should tell them that the whole thing is a flimsy house of cards with shaky revenue sources and endless demand for more benefits.

Instead, they think that MORE backroom deals, MORE complications with unconstitutional taxation based on where you live and whether or not you are part of a union are going to make this stinking carcass smell better?

Unbelievable. I’ve never seen a legislative effort run so far off the rails, or a bunch of pols contort themselves so grotesquely to pass something – anything – that they will never be able to spin as actual “reform.”

rockmom on January 14, 2010 at 12:47 PM

I don’t think they are getting 60 in the Senate this go around.

I think Lincoln or Evan B (can’t remember how to spell his last name) are going to bolt.

Brown’s surge in popularity has to be making them very very nervous.

gophergirl on January 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

After the Cornhusker Caper and the Louisiana Purchase, Dirty Harry will Buy Bayh. It’s only Monopoly money, just don’t stop the presses at the Fed!

Steve Z on January 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Brown by 4.5
Swear him in fast…

Vote no

Case closed.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM
is this a poll or a prediction?

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM

My prediction….if it happens, I will be throwing one hell of a party.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM

That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.
Ya know, unconstitutionality hasn’t stopped these bastards yet. It won’t stop them from doing this either.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

At worst, I think that means that the funding mechanism for Romneyca…er, Obamacare, gets stricken, but not Obamacare itself. Just means we go bankrupt quicker.

james23 on January 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM

I suppose that reducing any tax on ‘cadillac’ health plans to something affordable or, at least, distantly acceptable would not be a good compromise? 40% seems a bit much to me.

jeanie on January 14, 2010 at 12:50 PM

The Cornhusker UNION Kickback

PLEASE, PLEASE SEND SCOTT BROWN A CONTRIBUTION. ANYTHING YOU CAN!

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 12:50 PM

that appears to be an explicit and clear violation of Article I, Section 8; it certainly will get challenged on that basis.

Obama: “I won”
Pelosi: “What is this ‘constitution’ you speak of?”

NoFanofLibs on January 14, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Cadillac car sales. Not improving.

ted c on January 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM

If this passes, count on business to work very strenuously to shut down the union shops to kill off those plans and dump everything onto the government (and pay their fine). Instant single payor.

michaelo on January 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM

So this makes the bill non-defict neutral even by the cbos cherry picked report.

We can expect obama to veto it right???

LOL

sonofdy on January 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Didn’t “Big Pharma” have a deal with Obama that his health care would not allow importation of underpriced drugs from Canada? And didn’t that blow up as if Obama had never given his word to anybody?

Chris_Balsz on January 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I have an 80th level amish on WoW, too. He has epic barn building gear.

lorien1973 on January 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM

This is like watching a slow motion train wreck.

Only the train is aimed at our economy.

jdp629 on January 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM

A sliding scale? That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Specifically, that states that Congress has the power to levy taxes, “but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]“ The founders wrote that clause to ensure that the federal government did not overburden some states to favor others. If the federal excise tax on health insurance gets applied with a “sliding scale” based on regional costs of living, that appears to be an explicit and clear violation of Article I, Section 8; it certainly will get challenged on that basis.

The easy dodge around this is to call it “income”, which the 16th Amendment allows Congress to tax “without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

And I have my doubts about CBA-negotiated health care plans ever being taxed, unless union health care plans “magically” take the legal form of retirement benefits and cannot be unilaterally ended by the company, and the tax is written such that the entirety of the costs are passed along to the consumers and not the union drones.

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 12:56 PM

This is 3 card montie. Except instead of losing $20, we’re going to lose $2T.

angryed on January 14, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Great! We lost our ability to pay extra for better coverage through our employer because of the threat of the higher taxes. Now they plan to exempt Democratic voters from the punishment they imposed on the rest of us. Yeah, that’s good for winning hearts and minds, Americans do so love unequal treatment under the law.

obladioblada on January 14, 2010 at 12:57 PM

I swear it’s like watching someone lose pieces of themselves, like Mr. Merriweather in Little Big Man, or the Black Knight from Monty Python.
Obamacare may be animated by Disney, but it is essentially brain-dead. Still, let’s not bring down the curtain just yet. Act III is shaping up to be a 3D disembowelment of the Democratic Party.

Randy

williars on January 14, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Brown by 4.5
Swear him in fast…
Vote no

Case closed.

PatriotRider on January 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Brown could win by 14.5 and Dingy Harry Reid will not seat him. Before you call me a crackpot, I’ll point you to Reid’s declaration, done while Norm Coleman still had a couple-dozen vote lead, that Coleman would never be seated in this Congress.

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 12:58 PM

If it stands legally, to charge a Union LESS than others, then when the GOP takes over, we can increase it to 350% of others.

barnone on January 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM

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