Dems, unions agree on new plan to tax Cadillac plans

posted at 12:15 pm on January 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Under pressure from Barack Obama to come to terms with a Senate plan to tax high-value medical coverage, unions and Congressional Democrats have apparently agreed to accept some taxes that would impact their membership — but not right away.  The plan reported by the AP would exempt any plans created by collective bargaining prior to 2013, which means that unions won’t have to worry about the tax until at least 2015 or beyond, depending on the schedule for renegotiation:

The White House has reached a tentative agreement with union leaders to tax high-cost medical plans, one of the final obstacles in the way of President Barack Obama’s health care remake, officials said Thursday.

Details of the agreement were not immediately available. The tentative deal was expected to be presented to congressional leaders Thursday as negotiators try to wrap up an agreement on core elements of the sweeping legislation as early as Friday.

The proposed tax has been a major sticking point because early versions from the Senate would have hit union members, who have negotiated generous health benefits, sacrificing higher wages. House Democrats were strongly opposed, and did not include the tax in their bill. But Obama favored the tax, citing the consensus opinion of economists that it would help hold down costs by nudging workers into less pricey coverage.

But these concessions will mean less revenue, even theoretically:

Officials familiar with the negotiations said Wednesday that options being considered to lessen the impact on union members included raising the threshold at which the tax would be levied — it’s $23,000 for family plans in the Senate-passed bill — and exempting collective bargaining agreements negotiated before 2013 from the tax.

Under that scenario the tax wouldn’t hit until union contracts were renegotiated, delaying its impact on most union health plans until perhaps 2015 or 2016. There was also discussion of lessening the impact of the tax in high-cost regions of the country — where insurance premiums cost more — by imposing the tax on a sliding scale.

A sliding scale?  That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.  Specifically, that states that Congress has the power to levy taxes, “but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]”  The founders wrote that clause to ensure that the federal government did not overburden some states to favor others.  If the federal excise tax on health insurance gets applied with a “sliding scale” based on regional costs of living, that appears to be an explicit and clear violation of Article I, Section 8; it certainly will get challenged on that basis.

Of course, that’s not the only constitutional problem with the bill, and the bigger problem for Democrats in the short term will be what these concessions cost in terms of theoretical revenue.  Charlie Rangel (D-NY) told the AP that the conference could have terms ready for the CBO as soon as tomorrow, and the CBO will probably need a few days to analyze the proposal.  However, it will definitely cut into the revenues for ObamaCare, which already expands deficit spending, especially after Congress applies its “doctor fix” and rescinds the cuts to Medicare reimbursements.

It’s all academic in any case.  The only health-insurance plans that will still be offered under the heavy taxation proposed by ObamaCare will be the union plans, since it takes renegotiation to change their terms.  All other employers will move away from such plans, and health insurers will recast their plans to avoid the taxes.  The revenues were mainly illusory all along, and now that the unions have won a temporary exemption, there won’t be any plans left to tax.

In the end, this will make the fiscal structure of ObamaCare worse instead of better.  Expect the new compromise to create more problems in the Senate.


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dingy harry will never seat Scott if he can pull it off. He is lower than pond scum.

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 1:01 PM

PLEASE SEND SCOTT BROWN A CONTRIBUTION. ANYTHING YOU CAN!

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 1:02 PM

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 1:01 PM

totally agree

cmsinaz on January 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM

PLEASE SEND SCOTT BROWN A CONTRIBUTION. ANYTHING YOU CAN!

OmahaConservative on January 14, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Just sent him $50. Thanks.

Chuck Schick on January 14, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Brown could win by 14.5 and Dingy Harry Reid will not seat him. Before you call me a crackpot, I’ll point you to Reid’s declaration, done while Norm Coleman still had a couple-dozen vote lead, that Coleman would never be seated in this Congress.

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Please correct me if I’m wrong but if Brown is not seated that means Dingy Harry is still out a cloture vote.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM

We can all look forward to paying our non-union taxes.

obladioblada on January 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM

In other news, current union thugs heads plan to retire between 2013 & 2015.

rbj on January 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM

More likely they’ll slip in a backdoor amendment to some bill that nobody cares about, to get the exemption made permanent, sometime in the next year or two.

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 1:07 PM

It’s a sad state of affairs when a Marxist and a bunch of union thugs are deciding the future of your health care and even you very life. This has got to be stopped and changed.

rplat on January 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Some notes on going Amish or Mennonite. Take down your curtains, especially if you know the IRS agent is coming to verify your status. Immediate give-away. Have a clothes line with clothes hanging on it, change the clothes seasonally for the best effect. Single men need to be shaved, married men have beards. This can vary if you are Mennonite rather than Amish. No belts, you must wear suspenders. Women in dresses all the time. Multiple children running around, might have to borrow the neighbors. No rubber tires on your lawn tractor, you have to convert that over to steel wheels. Plant a garden. Get a dog. Talk amongst yourselves in a foreign language when the IRS agent is there (not Spanish). Always be friendly but reserved. Replace the kitchen chairs with benches. Get some glass Mason jars full of canned goods and put on display in the kitchen. Painting the bumper on your car black is a plus, but not necessary. Cell phones are fine, but you may want to put an old telephone in a wooden box and hang it out on the telephone pole by the driveway just for good effect.

I say these things for fun but not to make fun. I live in a highly populated Mennonite area and have several Mennonite friends and work with their businesses. They are fine people but don’t want government involved in their lives and don’t want to accept government funding. They are very independent and hard working people.

CBP on January 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM

It`s all a scam.
Unions (winking at Democrat politicians): “We are going to huff and puff and say we are against this.”

Democrat politicians (winking back): “Then we will never pass Obamacare!”

Unions: “Well, maybe we could support it if you help out our poor union members!” (wink,wink).

Democrat politicians: “We are always open to new ideas!!!” (wink,wink).

albill on January 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Please correct me if I’m wrong but if Brown is not seated that means Dingy Harry is still out a cloture vote.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM

He has the governor-appointed Dem sitting in Kennedy’s seat until Brown is sworn in, so i think the answer is ‘no’ – the longer he delays brown, the better (for reid) as he already has a reliable breathing dem there to vote.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Please correct me if I’m wrong but if Brown is not seated that means Dingy Harry is still out a cloture vote.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM

If it were a just world, you would be right. However, if Brown wins, I expect the ‘Rat majority to recognize Paul Kirk as the “Senator of record” all the way through the end of the year.

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:10 PM

So which unions/organizations can I join to get into the preferred class on taxes?

I’d like to skip out on paying for this monstrosity myself, if we’re going to go with a tiered class structure for taxation in this country I’m certainly going to work to be one of the special people who isn’t taxed as highly as “ordinary” citizens.

Good to see we’re finally working on separating out the people into politically preferred classes in taxation.

(Sorry, still haven’t bought the squiggle with the dot in it indicating sarcasm)

gekkobear on January 14, 2010 at 1:11 PM

They are fine people but don’t want government involved in their lives and don’t want to accept government funding. They are very independent and hard working people.

CBP on January 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Isn’t that the goal for most Americans?
I think it was Harvard who did a study on the most successful businesses, the Amish won hands down.
They don’t borrow money, they pay cash, they share resources when it makes sense (why own a harvestor that sits 1/2 the time), they are honest, and are debt free…and profitable.
There are a lot of good lessons we can learn from religious people…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

So which unions/organizations can I join to get into the preferred class on taxes?…

(Sorry, still haven’t bought the squiggle with the dot in it indicating sarcasm)

gekkobear on January 14, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Any public union (which now includes the UAW).

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:13 PM

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:10 PM

If they tried that, there wouldn’t be a dem left in the senate next election…they will stall to try to get a vote, but not block being sworn in.

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM

If it were a just world, you would be right. However, if Brown wins, I expect the ‘Rat majority to recognize Paul Kirk as the “Senator of record” all the way through the end of the year.

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:10 PM

He has the governor-appointed Dem sitting in Kennedy’s seat until Brown is sworn in, so i think the answer is ‘no’ – the longer he delays brown, the better (for reid) as he already has a reliable breathing dem there to vote.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Thanks – good to know.

You’ll never go broke betting on Democrat self-deception, overreach or corruption but I have a hard time imagining that Brown wouldn’t be seated. The Dems are getting pounded enough in the polls – and if a duly elected Senator who was likely elected as public push back against the current Dem agenda is not seated in order to prevent him from blocking this agenda then they’ll tank even further in 2010. I think it’s unlikely the GOP will take back back the Senate in 2010 but if they pull this trick then it becomes a lot more likely.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM

CNN’s Steve Brusk is tweeting some additional details on the Cadillac tax carve-out that unions have apparently secured. Though “still fluid”, Brusk says the deal would delay taxes on health-care policies for union members, state and local workers until 2017. (Actually, it would likely exclude collectively-bargained plans negotiated before 2013, which would, in turn, delay the tax until those contracts are renewed 2-4 years later).

The deal also seems to involve raising the threshold for taxable plans about the $23,000-per-family level set in the Senate bill, a move that would presumably let a good number of collectively-bargained union plans off the hook.

Update: The Washington Post is indicating the deal is firming up, and confirming the details.

NRO

Wethal on January 14, 2010 at 1:16 PM

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

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Spot on. They also do without in many areas of their lives. They are also very shrewd. I have a friend who tried bargaining with one on a job. Us “English” people will lose every time.

CBP on January 14, 2010 at 1:17 PM

If they tried that, there wouldn’t be a dem left in the senate next election…they will stall to try to get a vote, but not block being sworn in.

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I basically agree with you. If an all Democrat government uses obviously un-democratic and corrupt means to push a very unpopular bill down the publics throat they will reap an even greater whirlwind than they now face – and they are facing likely big losses right now.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Tragically – Obummer and the dembs will do anything to pass any healthcare bill; hence, the favorable tax treatment to union member health plans. Take your blinders off people – Brown ain’t gonna win in Mass – This bill is gonna go down like bad medicine and its only purpose is to get the foot in the door to wreck private insurance over the next 15-20 years

jagdpanther on January 14, 2010 at 1:20 PM

If they tried that, there wouldn’t be a dem left in the senate next election…they will stall to try to get a vote, but not block being sworn in.

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM

They are closer to not having to worry about the next election than you think (there’s 40-some ‘Rats in the two Senate classes that are not up for election this year, and all it takes for them to “Constitutionally” ignore the results of every election that doesn’t go their way is 51).

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM

…if a duly elected Senator … is not seated in order to prevent him from blocking this agenda then they’ll tank even further in 2010.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM

All the Dems need is for the election to be pretty close (if not a Coakley win outright). That buys them time to call for recounts, claim that some were denied the chance to vote, etc, and then do their dirty work. That would take weeks, at least, plenty of time for Reid to make things happen in the Senate while the reliably leftwing interim vote is still in place.

jwolf on January 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM

“exempting collective bargaining agreements negotiated before 2013 from the tax.”

Well, between this and card-check, that ought to create a bonanza in newly-organized working people.

Or it would, if there were any private sector jobs left (public sector’s mostly unionized already, anyway.)

I don’t think Andy Stern has thought this out too thoroughly. You can’t join SEIU if you don’t have a job (can you? Now that I think about it, who does represent the unemployed?)

notropis on January 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM

A sliding scale? That would mean that the tax would not be applied universally to all citizens, which could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Specifically, that states that Congress has the power to levy taxes, “but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]“

Great point Ed, and this is the real point of this entire 0bowma debacle, he walks all over the Constitution like it is just a dusty old document.
Americans understand this intuitively and that is why we don’t like him.

FireBlogger on January 14, 2010 at 1:33 PM

They are closer to not having to worry about the next election than you think (there’s 40-some ‘Rats in the two Senate classes that are not up for election this year, and all it takes for them to “Constitutionally” ignore the results of every election that doesn’t go their way is 51).

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM

All the Dems need is for the election to be pretty close (if not a Coakley win outright). That buys them time to call for recounts, claim that some were denied the chance to vote, etc, and then do their dirty work. That would take weeks, at least, plenty of time for Reid to make things happen in the Senate while the reliably leftwing interim vote is still in place.

jwolf on January 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM

These are possible scenarios. But if they did do this then there would be mass protests, the media would not be able to ignore it and would have a hard time selling it as anything other than Democrats kicking democracy in the nads. There would be enough principled and terrified Democrats to join Republicans in pretty much shutting down the government.

And the Democrats would have a bigger bloodbath in 2012 and have to somehow convince the American people that they could be trusted to be in charge again after declaring to run the most ethical and transparent Congress evah! after they basically tried a coup.

gwelf on January 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I’m a Texan, I’m armed, AND I do a mean impression of Granny Clampett.

Yellowdog12 on January 14, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Wethal on January 14, 2010 at 1:16 PM

I have a question:

Let’s say that they negotiate these contracts before 2013 so that supposedly they won’t be taxed til 2017.

Wouldn’t the next step for the union be splitting pay negotiations from healthcare negotiations ie keep healthcare plan the same- therefore if there are no changes, they remain untaxed? Could that be done?

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM

just so I’m clear on this: ARod is exempted but I’m not.

ALso, just WTF happens whent the remaining 4 people paying taxes move to another country?

Jed_Eckert on January 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM

there would be mass protests, the media would not be able to ignore it and would have a hard time selling it as anything other than Democrats kicking democracy in the nads

like the way the MSM covered the tea party protests and the town hall meeting?

Jed_Eckert on January 14, 2010 at 1:42 PM

I just purchased a paint ball gun and am making an egg launcher, now if some entrepenuer would just publish a map of Union and ACORN households in Iowa I will have something to practice on.

Oh, and I hope one of those Black Panthers with the nightstick accosts me anyplace, he will get to use his health insurance to have the stick removed!

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Just got back from seeing my Doctor… he is PISSED that this thing is going through…

Jokingly asked him if I was going to need a new Doctor next year, and he said “well, just make sure you get any work done you need now” (been putting off knee surgery)…

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Details of the agreement were not immediately available.

You don’t say!

Stephen Macklin on January 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Good Question. I don’t think there’s an obvious answer, but I can just about guarantee that it will be tried (if anyone thinks of it.)

(Have you negotiated contracts before? If not, you should. You seem like a natural.)

notropis on January 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Ahhh but I bet the SCOTUS wouldn’t say that mandated health care is a tax.
They’ll find some way around it.
I am pessimistic-my guts tell me that Congress will force this crap sandwich that is healthcare upon us.
The Constitution has meant nothing to them before, why would it now?

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

How can congress then enact taxes that apply differently depending on the taxpayer’s party affiliation? Since union membership is overwhelming in support of the democrat party, exempting unions from this tax means special tax treatment for loyal democrats.

Does it then follow that congress can also enact special taxes on the ‘undesirables’; republicans, whites, conservatives, christians, jews?

Skandia Recluse on January 14, 2010 at 1:52 PM

ROGUE
GOVERNMENT

Skywise on January 14, 2010 at 1:56 PM

I’m not sure I’ve seen anything so openly like communist Russia here before.

Party Union membership brings benefits. Not a party union member? Ooh, that’s baaaaad…

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM

There is also this tidbit concerning federalizing the National Guard via your Governors and even if your “State” is in need of them, the President can order for them… no matter what. Are you scared yet???

upinak on January 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

And there it is: supreme power in the hands of a coupl unelected charmen (did I read that right in there?).
Why would BO do this? Hmmmm?
Does he expect a revolt among the unwashed masses perhaps?
Or is it just AQ he’s protecting us against?
I remain pessimistic & depressed about our futures.

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM

ALso, just WTF happens whent the remaining 4 people paying taxes move to another country?

Jed_Eckert on January 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM

See ‘California’.

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Just got back from seeing my Doctor… he is PISSED that this thing is going through…

Jokingly asked him if I was going to need a new Doctor next year, and he said “well, just make sure you get any work done you need now” (been putting off knee surgery)…

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Yep, thats’ why I had hernia surgery done day before Thanksgiving!
I don’t want some SEIU doctor and SEIU anesthesiologist, and nurse screwing around down there.
My doc was great!

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Midas on January 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM

I can hardly wait for the forced Party readings.
When will citizens be forced to cooperated as part of a party cell, or block, etc. & attend PArty meetings & be part of Party committees?
Dear God it’s frightening to consider.
I guess I am especially outraged & frightened bcs I’ve been reading a book about the rise in power of Stalin & Hitler.
It’s very eye opening.
Those who do not know their history…..

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Phase One: Get Elected.

Phase Two: Class Warfare.

Phase Three: Venezuela.

PattyJ on January 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM

No, calling it “income” won’t work if the rate changes by region. The graduated income tax changes rate by income level, but the rates are the same for every American citizen within each income band. This is an explicit affront to Article I, Section 8.

Ed Morrissey on January 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

well I bet this is Constitutional …

tarpon on January 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

If they tried that, there wouldn’t be a dem left in the senate next election…they will stall to try to get a vote, but not block being sworn in.

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Not if the MSM doesn’t report it (or at least that is what the DemocRATs think). Just like they refuse to report on ACORN and the Panters and Fistgate and the irregularities with the Coleman/Franklin recount and … oh hell I lost count.

The MSM will simply report that brown won and never just let people assume he’s been seated.

CrazyFool on January 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM

The way I heard Levin explain it yesterday, the tax is on the insurance company who will pass on the cost to the consumer or consumers. IOW, all our premiums will go up and go up even higher because no one can be denied coverage.

Higher premiums.
Higher taxes.
All to cover illegal aliens, goldbrickers, cheapskates, and a few people truly needy.
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Obama!

Blake on January 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Higher premiums.
Higher taxes.
All to cover illegal aliens, goldbrickers, cheapskates, and a few people truly needy.
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Obama!

Blake on January 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM

He told the Plumber he was going to redistribute the wealth!
Believe Pinnochio yet?

dhunter on January 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM

The more this misbegotten piece of legislation is ‘tweaked’, the worse it gets (if that’s possible.)

Barry will sign his ‘hallmark legislation’, only to see it wither in a courtroom.

GarandFan on January 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Have they defined in detail what is a “cadillac” health plan? I’m going to sign up for the PPO option at the new job I start Monday. Well, in three months when I qualify for their benefits. Unfortunately, it’s about twice as expensive as my last job and I’m making significantly less money and have to travel further. Such is life.

Good job Barry!

aikidoka on January 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Ed Morrissey on January 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Under any sane interpretation? Your correct…

Yet…

When Congress can dictate whether a Farmer can grow grain for his OWN chickens… under interstate commerce…

When Congress can make a law limiting Freedom of Speech, even when the Constitution CLEARLY says they cannot…

When it takes GENERATIONS to decide the Second Amendments Right to Bear Arms is a Personal Right… but it can still be regulated and taken away…

And when we have someone who was Born a Dual Citizen, sitting in the Office of the Presidency, when the origional definition of “Natural Born” is born on American soil of American Citizen parents…

When they take guns away from Law abiding Citizens during Katrina…

Need I go on?

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 2:36 PM

only to see it wither in a courtroom.

GarandFan on January 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I don’t think so.
Bcs they’ll probably tax the ins. companies like Blake said & then it’ll be fine.
And likeI said earlier-none of these people have any regard for the Constitution!
They haven’t for a long time & nothing is going to change that any time soon.
Even SCOTUS doesn’t.

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Need I go on?

Romeo13 on January 14, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I will for you:
When they suspend a parent’s Constitutional rights to due process during a family law dispute?
I guess I have more, but that is a glaring example no one hardly talks about.

Badger40 on January 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM

aikidoka on January 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Again, a caller on Levin said he was a small employer that offered free health care insurance to his employees. But the cost of the coverage for his older employees would fall into the Cadillac plan category. That’s when Levin said the tax is on the insurance company who will pass it on to the consumer or consumers. So, we will most likely all be affected by the tax the dirty rich plan.

Blake on January 14, 2010 at 3:12 PM

ROGUE
GOVERNMENT

Skywise on January 14, 2010 at 1:56 PM

NEW PRESIDENTIAL ORDER #911:

JOIN A UNION OR PAY A HIGHER PREMIUM FOR LIVING.

Rovin on January 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM

That’s a revolutionary idea, for sure.

hillbillyjim on January 14, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Test.

hillbillyjim on January 14, 2010 at 3:24 PM

They are closer to not having to worry about the next election than you think (there’s 40-some ‘Rats in the two Senate classes that are not up for election this year, and all it takes for them to “Constitutionally” ignore the results of every election that doesn’t go their way is 51).

steveegg on January 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM

I don’t think that will fly in flyover country. This would be THE straw.

hillbillyjim on January 14, 2010 at 3:27 PM

could run afoul of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

I’ll go ahead and ask the obvious questions:
1. When in the last 100 years has our government actually cared about the enumerated powers expressed in Article 1, Section 8?
2. How on earth is this whole idea of Obamacare not running afoul of Article 1, Section 8?
Prediction: In 10 years, no one will care about the Constitutionality of Obamacare, just like no one cares about the obvious unconstitutionality of Social Security, the Women, Infants, Children (WIC) program, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, the Dept. of Agriculture, certain aspects of the Dept. of Energy, the Dept. of Health and Human Services, the Labor Dept., the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the Federal Reserve, the Dept. of Education, the ability for executive agencies to set regulations without Congressional approval and impose fines without a trial by jury, the “Stimulus” packages, TARP, any bailout to private enterprises…
Oh, but don’t worry. The Republicans will save us. Please.

Send_Me on January 14, 2010 at 3:30 PM

The rank and filers won’t be happy when they find out the details of this plan. By the time the dems make everybody happy in order to sign this bill there won’t be any money left to pay for it and the Chinese will be measuring for drapes in the WH.

Kissmygrits on January 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Once they start taxing some plans, how long do you think it will be until the tax is expanded to include all plans?

Everything they are doing is geared toward an eventual result of single-payer health care.

They are at least being “transparent” in this respect. Everyone can see through their manipulations.

hillbillyjim on January 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM

notropis on January 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Thank you. No, just a stay at home mom who has a BA and in the distant past did 4yrs active duty army, 4 reserve.

Just trying to figure out what the lawyers might have advised the unions to do for them to accept this and sell it to their membership.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM

How can they offer some citizens certain benefits and not others when it is only based on their voting democrat?

Blake on January 14, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Repeat after me:

A loophole so big you can drive a Cadillac Plan through it.

Doodad Pro on January 14, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Thought you might like to see what we’re up against. Received this from AFTRA, the American Federal of Television and Radio Artists. Yeah, I used to be one of those liberal reporters. I have since come over from the dark side. Anyway, here’s their latest plea. FYI, virtually every TV reporter in the largest metro areas in the country received the same email. All the network reporters too. They’re all in the same union.

Dear xxxxxx
As the two health care reform bills merge, it’s important to join the labor movement in letting your Representatives know a final bill must include the best pieces of the House bill, which includes a public option to keep insurance companies accountable and does more to make health insurance affordable.
The Senate bill includes a 40% tax on many middle class families’ insurance benefits instead, which would result in higher premiums for some workers and higher out-of-pocket costs. Join millions of your fellow union members in letting your Representatives know that taxing middle-class Americans’ health benefits is not the way to pay for reform.
The AFL-CIO is mobilizing working Americans to let our voices be heard today by joining in the National Call-In Blitz for Health Care Reform.
Call 1-877-3-AFLCIO (1-877-323-5246) toll-free and urge your Representatives to support working families by voting for health care reform that:

. Does NOT tax our health care benefits;
. Requires employers to pay their fair share; and
. Reduces health care costs -the best way to do this is with a public health insurance option.
Thank you!

SleeplessinChicago on January 14, 2010 at 7:36 PM

Cadillac is a dying brand “owned” by GM, owned by bama; as such, worthless!!!

jgdp on January 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Wow! Our own government will be forcing non-unionized workers to form unions. This would be even more effective than the card check law!

Ira on January 14, 2010 at 11:36 PM

hey if i offer a cop 50 bucks to drop a traffic ticket i could do jail time .. state and local government unions bribe congress with multibillion dollar tax breaks and nuthin happens .. wtf

Wellstoned on January 15, 2010 at 1:48 AM

these absolute frakkers!

hell no 12% of the middle class cannot live off the back of the other 88% of us

no, no, no

CALL YOUR CRITTERS@ please!

ginaswo on January 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Still waiting for the facts to be presented on C-SPIN, so I can let the government make up my mind for me.

MSGTAS on January 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Cadillac is a dying brand “owned” by GM, owned by bama; as such, worthless!!!

jgdp on January 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM

I have to say this, I have had an early 90′s model Caddy & it’s awesome.
I can drive in style through my pastures, checking cows.
And it’s easy to ramp up the speed if I have to chase one back in through fence.
Seriously-Caddys are awesome ranch vehicles.

Badger40 on January 15, 2010 at 12:12 PM

ginaswo on January 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Mine don’t care here in ND.
Conrad, Pomery, Dorgan-those guys are not concerned that possibly over 68% of North Dakotans oppose this crap.

Badger40 on January 15, 2010 at 12:13 PM

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