Scott Brown: Sure, I supported RomneyCare, but…

posted at 7:20 pm on January 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

To cleanse the palate, a friendly reminder from today’s Cavuto that a Massachusetts Republican is still a Massachusetts Republican. Brown’s defense is that a state program like RomneyCare and a one-size-fits-all federal program like ObamaCare are two different things, but the differences have been eroding over time as the public option dropped off the table. (Back in August, CNN said RomneyCare was becoming a “model” for the federal plan.) Philip Klein wrote a column about the two programs’ similarities just last month at AmSpec, noting particularly that both programs of course contain an individual mandate, which conservatives regard as a de facto middle-class tax hike. And as Brown himself notes in passing here, RomneyCare still has cost issues, which have become a none-too-minor problem for the man who gave the program its name.

Doesn’t mean Brown shouldn’t be supported — in fact, his experience could be useful if the GOP does take back the House next year and tries to revise the current bill somehow — but it’s interesting how he’s gotten a total pass on this in the interest of taking over Teddy’s seat while Mitt continues to struggle with it ahead of the primaries. Exit question for Schumer: Would a “teabagger” really have supported RomneyCare?

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Shut up, troll. I’ve seen you espouse multiple RINO if not outright lib arguments multiple times on HA. I don’t know what game you’re playing, but your Moby BS is pretty transparent.

Missy on January 13, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Oh, of course you just want to silence people like me because you’re afraid of us. But we’re going to take back America from you RINOs.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:11 PM

I could care less if Massachusetts went full blown Marxist. Just so long as they don’t inflict that Marxist crap sandwich on me. And I do not think Scott Brown would do that.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:18 PM

She’s not on the ballot.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Well, that’s no surprise in the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts. If that were part of real America, Sarah Palin would be running for every office for which there was an election.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:19 PM

turfmann on January 13, 2010 at 8:17 PM

God Bless you. Carry on.

OmahaConservative on January 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Well, that’s no surprise in the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts. If that were part of real America, Sarah Palin would be running for every office for which there was an election.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:19 PM

She’s still not on the ballot. So…still haven’t come up with some zinger of a comment.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM

I don’t think many can, off the top of their heads, state any other policy position 100% that Brown has on anything else.

JetBoy on January 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM

Yeah, who really cares? He is being voted in for one term, and the voters will take it from there. Right now, the issue is nationalizing healthcare. The majority of the country opposes it, and Massachusetts does, too, apparently.

chunderroad on January 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM

She’s still not on the ballot. So…still haven’t come up with some zinger of a comment.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM

I’m only voting for true conservatives.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Proud Rino has been drinking or she’s baiting the HA blog as part of her thesis.

katy on January 13, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Yeah, who really cares? He is being voted in for one term, and the voters will take it from there. Right now, the issue is nationalizing healthcare. The majority of the country opposes it, and Massachusetts does, too, apparently.

chunderroad on January 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Yeah who cares if we elect a RINO who supports universal health care right before a major vote on health care? What could go wrong?

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:22 PM

So it’s OK to support universal health care if the states do it? Your problem is the federal government doing it? Interesting.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:09 PM

The Feds don’t have a right to do that – it’s unconstitutional. That right is reserved for the states and the people. It’s crystal clear.

If the people of MA want socialized medicine, what can the rest of the states do to stop it? That’s their privilege. Just as it is the privilege of the State of TX to say “take your crap and stuff it” to whomever proposes that here.

newton on January 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM

HA PSA announcement: Proud Rino is a liberal sh*t stirring troll, just in case you haven’t picked up on that yet. Carry on.

Fletch54 on January 13, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Yeah who cares if we elect a RINO who supports universal health care right before a major vote on health care? What could go wrong?

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:22 PM

He votes against Obamacare like he said he would?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Well, that’s no surprise in the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts. If that were part of real America, Sarah Palin would be running for every office for which there was an election.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:19 PM

May I remind you, sir, that if it were not for my ancestors you would be asking your house slave to get you a spot of tea at 4:00 tomorrow afternoon.

As to your comment about Sarah Palin, I will have none of it. She is enormously popular here in spite of your preconceived notions. Perhaps you should take a trip up here roundabout the Fourth of July. You’ll be pleasantly surprised.

turfmann on January 13, 2010 at 8:29 PM

The Feds don’t have a right to do that – it’s unconstitutional. That right is reserved for the states and the people. It’s crystal clear.

Well, actually, it’s not, but presumably people here don’t want the health care reform because it’s bad policy, right? Not because of some technical argument. Because if there is some federalism issue, then the feds can essentially force the states to come up with the money to create universal health care and then enforce that through the spending clause, the same way they do with public education.

If the people of MA want socialized medicine, what can the rest of the states do to stop it? That’s their privilege. Just as it is the privilege of the State of TX to say “take your crap and stuff it” to whomever proposes that here.

newton on January 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Yeah, well see the thing is that the elected representatives of Massachusetts all got together and voted on it and passed bills, which is what’s happening on the federal level, and that includes the state of Texas until Rick Perry secedes.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:30 PM

He votes against Obamacare like he said he would?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Right, put your faith in the election promises of a politician. Listen, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Email me for details.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

So instead I should trust in a Perfect Conservative to loose in Massachusetts by a 70-30 margin and get fed the Obamacare sandwich thanks to Coakley casting the deciding vote?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

A RHINO is a RHINO be careful who you vote for.

mixplix on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

So instead I should trust in a Perfect Conservative to loose in Massachusetts by a 70-30 margin and get fed the Obamacare sandwich thanks to Coakley casting the deciding vote?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

NO MORE RINOS.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

A RHINO is a RHINO be careful who you vote for.

mixplix on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Thank you.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Seriously, people in Massachusetts, do the smart thing and write in Sarah Palin’s name instead of voting for Scott Brown.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Exit question for Schumer: Would a “teabagger” really have supported RomneyCare?

Dangle, Schumer. Dangle.

Whatever~the fact that the seat formally held by the swimmer going to a REPUBLICAN that can KILL the H’Care Bill that will make Masshole Liberals heads explode is good
enough for me.

Allah~we’d like to see YOU in a Cosmo Centerfold.
And yes, you can bring your cats.

HornetSting on January 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Right, put your faith in the election promises of a politician. Listen, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Email me for details.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Of course you have a bridge — all trolls have a bridge.

Mr. D on January 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM

He votes against Obamacare like he said he would?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:28 PM
Right, put your faith in the election promises of a politician. Listen, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Email me for details.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

You fell for obama’s schtick, PR…..
Did you get your kneepads?

HornetSting on January 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM

NO MORE RINOS.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Answer the frigging question.

The Enemy of the Good is Always the Better.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Answer the frigging question.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM

There’s no difference between Rinos and Democrats, so we should only vote for true conservatives like Sarah Palin.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM

The Movement would have a better chance of success by sitting in front of the White House, dousing ourselves in gasoline and lighting our arses on fire.

Odd you are preaching Party Purity Suicide when your handle is Proud Republican In Name Only.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Odd you are preaching Party Purity Suicide when your handle is Proud Republican In Name Only.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Right, we should elect more BENEDICT ARLENs instead.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Yeah who cares if we elect a RINO who supports universal health care right before a major vote on health care? What could go wrong?

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:22 PM

You would rather that Coakley gets in immediately and votes Obamacare in January 25th or however soon they vote on it? This is no surprise if you watched any of his interviews or the debates the other night. What he has said is he is against Death to America Care and he is against Cap N Tax the two biggest killers of our country that are on teh propmt agenda. You should look at it like this, we need hom to get in the office and kill health care, kill Cap n Tax and get us to Novemeber. Once we get to midterms we will win enough seats back to counter his Mass, Republican forays across the isle.

bluemarlin on January 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Is it even possible to be a conservative and live in Mass.?

Ace ODale on January 13, 2010 at 8:52 PM

“Would a “teabagger” really have supported RomneyCare?”

…and in a single closing sentence we see Allah’s true colors.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Odd you are preaching Party Purity Suicide when your handle is Proud Republican In Name Only.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Proud Rino is playing a little game with us. In reality he is far to the left of the views he’s espousing. He presumably thinks he can damage morale on the right by trying to pit conservatives against RINOs.

Missy on January 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Seriously, people in Massachusetts, do the smart thing and write in Sarah Palin’s name instead of voting for Scott Brown.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Your post handle and your haranguing posts makes it pretty obvious that you are just an agent provocateur. Would Rahm fire you after you failed?

bayview on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM

The fact that Mass residents are insured is a form of insurance against ObamaCare and Coakley since they have no incentive to switch.

But most important, I don’t care how many times people try to say that RomneyCare is the same as ObamaCare, or that “the differences are eroding”, it doesn’t make it true. A State program and/or mandate is not the same as a Federal program. Period.

Buy Danish on January 13, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Missy on January 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Oh, I’ve seen him preaching his leftism before. I figure if I keep arguing with him it prevents him from actually doing damage (not likely).

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Can we talk about TennCare?

ladyingray on January 13, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Well, once again, AP’s personal little joyride, aka ‘exposing conservative schizophrenia for the general amusement of all’

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Proud Rino was an AP sockpuppet, just stirring the pot a bit.

Schizophrenia? What the hell are ya talkin bout, bub?

The whole ‘purity’ thing. Puh-freakin-LEEZE. The ‘Purity’ crowd still has wet dreams about voting for Ross Perot. Thanks bunches for that one, folks. Billy-Jeff and Hill thank you, too.

I would support candidate R, who is likely to do 80-90% of the things I want, BUT I don’t like his stand on Ice Cream, SO, I’m going to vote for no chance in hell of winning or stay home. Hey, even if my behaviour actually helps Nightmare on Constitution Avenue Candidate D win, at least I’ve got my PRINCIPLES.

Way to embody the term bitter clingers folks! Just live up to the DREAM!

Wind Rider on January 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Everyone forgets that RomneyCare was vastly different BEFORE the Massachusetts Democratic Congress modified and changed Romney’s plan.

Furthermore, The supposed problems with Romney’s health care program in MA are attributable to the changes made by the new governor – who has bloated it, over-regulated it and applied it to illegals.

What Massachusetts has now should be call MassDemCare because it was the Democrats who f***** with Romney’s plan and screwed the state.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Your post handle and your haranguing posts makes it pretty obvious that you are just an agent provocateur. Would Rahm fire you after you failed?

bayview on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Should’ve already been fired in that case.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Drop kick Coakley !! Doug Flutie announced his support for Scott Brown in the senate race.

bayview on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Can we talk about TennCare?

ladyingray on January 13, 2010 at 9:01 PM

LOL, yeah. What a friggin’ disaster.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Isn’t one of the major problems with RomneyCare that the tinkering of amendments in it to mandate a lot of coverage that the people did/do not want drove up the costs?

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Drop kick Coakley !! Doug Flutie announced his support for Scott Brown in the senate race.

bayview on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Oh wow, a professional athlete has an opinion about who I should vote for?! Well, now I don’t know *what* to think. I’m going to hold out until Kevin McHale endorses someone.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Oh, I’ve seen him preaching his leftism before. I figure if I keep arguing with him it prevents him from actually doing damage (not likely).

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Aha, gotcha. Yeah, I should have figured you were wise to him. ;)

Missy on January 13, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Well, now I don’t know *what* to think.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Not surprising.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:22 PM

So is the Senate going to be voting on making RomneyCare Nationwide? Or is it ObamaCare?

Yes the two are losing their differences, but the man appears to be half-way decent at keeping his word… at least as a MA Republican. I’m originally from NY and understand the difference between a NY Democrat, a NY Republican and a conservative. In MA its very similar, save the Democrats are a much more Soviet shade of red.

I’ll take any cork to stop up the slew of this Congress on ripping off the American people for worse care for all. And if that also gets Cap’n'Tax stuffed all the better. We could use a few guys Upon the Hill just saying ‘no’ and also saying ‘could you read out the bill for me?’

Actually if any proceduralist starts running, I’ll back that person… follow each and every rule for each and every vote and read out everything, including the re-cap of the previous day’s work. Make those freaking slackers have to WORK to try and get our money. They’ll keel over in a dead faint. One Immodium-D candidate who promises to stop up and stuff Congress, please…we, too, can play the C-P game.

ajacksonian on January 13, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Here’s Scott Brown is defending his support of RomneyCare: http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/13/scott-brown-defends-his-vote-for-romneycare/

Here’s a fact check showing that RomneyCare isn’t bankrupting Massachusetts: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/10/glenn-beck/beck-claims-universal-health-care-driving-massachu/

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Here’s a fact check showing that RomneyCare isn’t bankrupting Massachusetts: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/10/glenn-beck/beck-claims-universal-health-care-driving-massachu/

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM

So that’s not a credit to Romney, but rather to the Mass legislature, right? Since, of course, Romney’s vision was mucked up.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

LOL, yeah. What a friggin’ disaster.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Where in TN are you?

I’m in NE TN.

ladyingray on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Well, now I don’t know *what* to think.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Do not try too hard, your two neurons might get overloaded.

bayview on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Let me repeat: The original RomneyCare was but a skeletal form of what is has blossomed into because of legislative tinkering after the fact. I think that Brown’s experience as a MA legislator would recognize the pitfalls of expanding coverage mandates.

The issue is one of federalism (as has been said before).

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

So that’s not a credit to Romney, but rather to the Mass legislature, right? Since, of course, Romney’s vision was mucked up.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Exactly, all these facts people keep coming up with are liberally biased, especially since they don’t identify themselves as commentators.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

My takeaway from this clip is that Brown handles himself really well.

If a guy from Massachusetts has to be a 100% died in the wool, right down the line conservative to get our support, better write off the state forever, along with about 100 other electoral votes.

notagool on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Exactly, all these facts people keep coming up with are liberally biased, especially since they don’t identify themselves as commentators.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Politifact? Yeah, you’re right. They’re models of objectivity. Beyond all question.

Where in TN are you?

I’m in NE TN.

ladyingray on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

SE.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

ladyingray on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Wow, I live in TN, born at St. Mary’s in Knoxvegas. Kiffin Screwed us and I hope USC has a losing record for the next century!

Wasn’t here when TennCare was in effect but I heard it was a budget bomb.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Let me repeat: The original RomneyCare was but a skeletal form of what is has blossomed into because of legislative tinkering after the fact. I think that Brown’s experience as a MA legislator would recognize the pitfalls of expanding coverage mandates.

The issue is one of federalism (as has been said before).

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

But wait…Politifact says it’s the bee’s knees in its bloated state.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Wasn’t here when TennCare was in effect but I heard it was a budget bomb.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Corruption and cost explosions like you wouldn’t believe.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM

I wouldn’t doubt it. I also heard it very nearly gave us a state income tax.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:42 PM

So that’s not a credit to Romney, but rather to the Mass legislature, right? Since, of course, Romney’s vision was mucked up.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

I’ll say it again. The Mass Health Plan really should be called MassDemCare since it was the democrats who mucked it up:

#1. Romney’s healthcare plan was vastly different BEFORE the Massachusetts Democratic Congress modified and changed Romney’s plan.

#2 The supposed problems with Romney’s health care program in MA are attributable to the changes made by the new governor, Democrat Deval Patrick, who has bloated it, over-regulated it and made it available to illegals.

The original RomneyCare was but a skeletal form of what is has blossomed into because of legislative tinkering after the fact.

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Exactly. What Massachusetts has now should be call MassDemCare because it was the Democrats who f***** with Romney’s plan and screwed the state.

The REAL lesson of MassDemCare is that you don’t let Democrats anywhere near health care reform at the state or federal level. They’ll screw it up and bankrupt the state or nation.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

I’ll say it again. The Mass Health Plan really should be called MassDemCare since it was the democrats who mucked it up:

#1. Romney’s healthcare plan was vastly different BEFORE the Massachusetts Democratic Congress modified and changed Romney’s plan.

#2 The supposed problems with Romney’s health care program in MA are attributable to the changes made by the new governor, Democrat Deval Patrick, who has bloated it, over-regulated it and made it available to illegals.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Politifact says it’s cool though.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Yeah, well see the thing is that the elected representatives of Massachusetts all got together and voted on it and passed bills, which is what’s happening on the federal level, and that includes the state of Texas until Rick Perry secedes.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:30 PM

If I can find a link, I will post it, but 22 states are going to rail against any federal take over, or mandates on health care. Texas does not stand alone. States will not be able to afford this, nor will most Americans. This will bankrupt a good portion of the population in this country. When that happens, and more, and more go on assistance, who’s going to pay your share darlin? Hmmm?

capejasmine on January 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM

I wouldn’t doubt it. I also heard it very nearly gave us a state income tax.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Ya know though, I have to admit that when it first appeared I was kind of excited about it. “Wow, we’re all going to be able to get cheap health care!!!” The reality that followed was an eye-opener for sure.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Everyone forgets that RomneyCare was vastly different BEFORE the Massachusetts Democratic Congress modified and changed Romney’s plan.

Furthermore, The supposed problems with Romney’s health care program in MA are attributable to the changes made by the new governor – who has bloated it, over-regulated it and applied it to illegals.

What Massachusetts has now should be call MassDemCare because it was the Democrats who f***** with Romney’s plan and screwed the state.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Good! You made the point better than I had stated it.

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Yeah, well see the thing is that the elected representatives of Massachusetts all got together and voted on it and passed bills, which is what’s happening on the federal level, and that includes the state of Texas until Rick Perry secedes.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:30 PM

But other states can refuse it at the Federal level. There are fourteen to fifteen states getting ready to take ObamaCare all the way to the Supreme Court on Tenth Amendment grounds.

Not everyone buys into that insanity, especially not TX (Thank Heavens!). But if an individual state wants to fall into the ditch, we can only let them have it, as long as they don’t take us there with them.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

newton on January 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Excellent points, and I’d like to add….that Romney care, as far as I can tell, was actually about health care. Obama care is not!

capejasmine on January 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Hey, in 1972 I supported McGovern. We all do stupid things in life.

All you Obama supporters, how’s the hope and change thing working out?

patch on January 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Good! You made the point better than I had stated it.

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

I’m glad you enjoy it.

If only Conservatives understand that the enemy isn’t Romney but the democrats who muck up every good legislation put forth to the people.

The lesson is that Democrats/liberals shouldn’t be in government. Period.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Politifact? Bwhahahahahaaha. That is not an objective source, leaning as far left as it does. I am assuming that you are being sarcastic.

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

The lesson is that Democrats/liberals shouldn’t be in government. Period.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM

But they will be. So can we look forward to a President Romney getting rolled by a lib Congress?

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Politifact? Bwhahahahahaaha. That is not an objective source, leaning as far left as it does. I am assuming that you are being sarcastic.

onlineanalyst on January 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

I wasn’t the one who cited it.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Proud Rino is playing a little game with us. In reality he is far to the left of the views he’s espousing. He presumably thinks he can damage morale on the right by trying to pit conservatives against RINOs.

Missy on January 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM

PR may be to the left of you, but he’s no liberal. He’s just trying to make the point that if you want to play the conservative purity game, you have to accept the consequences.

Scott Brown may vote against ObamaCare as promised, but what happens when cap&trade rolls around? Or amnesty?

Personally, I don’t care, because ObamaCare is worse than the entire rest of the Democrats’ agenda combined. A vote against ObamaCare is enough for me, and I assume it’s enough for you, too. But if it’s good enough for Scott Brown, then why the hell isn’t it good enough for Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins?

Caiwyn on January 13, 2010 at 10:04 PM

But they will be. So can we look forward to a President Romney getting rolled by a lib Congress?

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

It doesn’t matter if the President is Republican or Democrat, they will get rolled by Congress if the opposing party holds a majority in Congress.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 10:06 PM

I’m kind of siding with AP in his general gist… (being a non-Mass voter, I had to go hunt down the information on the candidates).

Plain and simple, IMO if the Tea partiers don’t want their stance to be marginalized, they have to come out and state that they support Brown because “he’s a “lesser of two evils” vote, or he’s a vote against ObamaCare.”

But if Tea-partiers support Brown because they say he’s closer to their beliefs, then they need to reconsider what they stand for. As I recall the general belief behind anyone who said they were a “tea partier” were “less government, lower taxes”, right?

Brown is no guarantee for “lower government” if his state voting record carries over to the US Senate if he wins.

As for the Health Care debate, I see people say it’s no longer RomneyCare in Massachusetts, but “MassDemCare”. Wasn’t Brown in that same state Senate?

Brown is no guarantee for “lower taxes”. You can argue he’s never raised taxes, but he’s voted to raise fees in the State of Massachusetts on numerous occasions.

Don’t get me wrong, Brown is a win in the short-term, and a threat in the long-term for liberal socialistic policies.

But don’t be surprised after this battle is won, Brown will still be a “Massachusetts Republican”, if Conservatives aren’t putting Brown in the same breaths as Snowe/Collins/Pre-Dem Spectre/etc.

There is no 100% winner for conservatives in the Massachusetts race, but Brown is the closest that we’re going to get and have a chance at success.

Kennedy seemed to be a better tea-party belief/conservative candidate who fit in the Hoffman mold (and even he has opinions I disagree with), but we know he doesn’t have a prayer other than spoiling it for one of the two “big party” candidates.)

Heck, AP wrote in his own post “Doesn’t mean Brown shouldn’t be supported”. Sounds like AP’s on the similar train of thought as I am.

DaSaintFan on January 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

PR may be to the left of you, but he’s no liberal. He’s just trying to make the point that if you want to play the conservative purity game, you have to accept the consequences.

Caiwyn on January 13, 2010 at 10:04 PM

PR is more of a disruptor than anything else, but I couldn’t care less. All the shrieking about “purity tests” is pure b.s.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM

It doesn’t matter if the President is Republican or Democrat, they will get rolled by Congress if the opposing party holds a majority in Congress.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 10:06 PM

So it doesn’t matter who the president is. I wonder then why Romney supporters have such disdain for Palin.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Supposedly Guiliani is going to campaign for Brown.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM

So it doesn’t matter who the president is. I wonder then why Romney supporters have such disdain for Palin.

ddrintn on January 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM

I don’t have disdain for her. I like her.

Its just that if I have to choose between Romney or Palin, I’m gonna go with Mitt.

Mitt has more private and public sector experience than Palin. Moreover, the economy will be a major issue in 2012. Palin is like McCain…she doesn’t know about the economy the way Mitt does.

That’s why I like Mitt over Palin.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Caiwyn

What are you smoking? Proud Rino is a total liberal. It thinks its name is cute, but total effin liberal. Every post is a slam on conservatives and conservative principals. Where’ve you been?

JAM on January 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM

PR may be to the left of you, but he’s no liberal. He’s just trying to make the point that if you want to play the conservative purity game, you have to accept the consequences.

Caiwyn on January 13, 2010 at 10:04 PM

PR is a left wing purist. He’s trying to make the point that he’s so transparent that he has no point.

Saltysam on January 13, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Jonathan Gruber (the guy who didn’t say he was paid by HHS) was one of the architects of Romneycare.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 13, 2010 at 11:05 PM

An entire thread dedicated to the perfect being the enemy of the good.

There is damn little good done by people unconcerned with doing their best. Your brand of sneering cynicism is the reason we have so many problems in this country.

Chris_Balsz on January 13, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Then there is this on Jonathan Gruber and Tn Healthcare plan.

http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/health-reform/small-business-majority-state-reports/fact_tn_stat_93009.pdf

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM

but it’s interesting how he’s gotten a total pass on this in the interest of taking over Teddy’s seat while Mitt continues to struggle with it ahead of the primaries.

I said a month ago there was no point making yielding anything to liberal Republicans, because they will insist that any tactical moderation is a strategic concession: we admitted we don’t care, so why not shut up and vote for a liberal? Case in point.

Chris_Balsz on January 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Chris_Balsz on January 13, 2010 at 11:06 PM

IDK you know what he was talking about. He is talking about the Nirvana Fallacy. Basically comparing actual things to idealized but unrealistic things. It amounts to a delusion.

The delusion in that a Perfect Conservative, that even the most Paleo-Conservative can stomach, can win in Massachusetts which is not known for being a bastion of Conservativism.

Yes, Scott Brown is not the Perfect Conservative, but I’d reckon he is the most Conservative you can get in Mass and have a chance of winning an election of this importance at this time. Who knows, if we win this seat and make more gains in Mass we can make Massachusetts more Conservative.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 11:16 PM

I didn’t finish my thought on Gruber and the Tn healthcare.
Some group called the smallbusinessmajority put that info out saying how great the healthcare plan would be for small business in Tn. I also found one for Wis. I am assuming there is one for every state.

It says on the bottom that smallbusinessmajority brings a NON-Partisan voice on healthcare to DC but in the small print where they are giving credit for the graphs and numbers they give credit to Jonathan Gruber. Since he is/was paid by HHS which is pushing Obamacare, that negates the NON in non-partisan.

And in the Gruber thread of a few days ago, I did find an article stating that he was one of the architects of the Massachusetts healthcare plan.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 12:11 AM

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM
I disagree, she has owned her own business, sold her own book, etc. While she may not have Mitt’s experience, she is no small fry and knows more about it than McCain.
Besides which I don’t want a CEO in chief, that is progressive thinking, I want a person who is well grounded in principles and values. Intelligence is over rated. Wisdom is a far more valuable commodity.

Conservative Voice on January 14, 2010 at 12:46 AM

Brown FTW against Coakley the jokely.

profitsbeard on January 14, 2010 at 1:50 AM

Exit Answer: He’s a Teabagger AND a RINO!

fitzsweetpea on January 14, 2010 at 3:34 AM

Romney vetoed …a provision that would have fined small businesses…the legislature overrode that veto… his original vision remained intact throughout the legislative process. Commonwealth Care…Commonwealth Choice…is subsidized by taxpayer dollars…Poli-Facts

Bottomline:
Mitty failed to protect small business and the taxpayers from the excesses of Romneycare. Comes Now: polifacts saying that the states losses of revenue, and its fall into the RED has nothing to do with its BLOATED social programs.
Beck has a more accurate assessment of the Romneycare boondoggle.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on January 14, 2010 at 3:49 AM

As long as he blocks Obamacare, i don’t give a damn about Romneycare. This isn’t a presidential election.

Daemonocracy on January 14, 2010 at 6:16 AM

So instead I should trust in a Perfect Conservative to loose in Massachusetts by a 70-30 margin and get fed the Obamacare sandwich thanks to Coakley casting the deciding vote?

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Sarah Palin got that right with BECK.

“WE ARE LIVING IN A FALLEN WORLD. DON’T TRUST ANY POLITICIAN”.

Including herself, according to her.

NO ONE IS PERFECT.

There is no other alternatives for Rs/Cs in MA in this case. As per Brown’s response to Cavuto:

1. He’s honest.
2. He realized his mistake.
3. He insinuated some “promises”.

Good enough. In absence of any alternative, why not Brown? If he betrays his conservative constituents in the future, then they can always “replace” him.

REPLACING AN INEFFECTIVE AND TRAITOROUS “GOOD OLD REPUBLICAN BOY OR GIRL”: That’s the biggest issue within the Republican Party today. {I don’t care about the already Godless state of the Democratic Party.}

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 7:07 AM

Mitt has more private and public sector experience than Palin. Moreover, the economy will be a major issue in 2012. Palin is like McCain…she doesn’t know about the economy the way Mitt does.

That’s why I like Mitt over Palin.

Conservative Samizdat on January 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM

He’s damaged. He cannot withstand Obama or fight Obama in 2012. ROMNEYCARE IS HIS DEMON.

Plus, ROMNEY’S MA EXPERIENCE IS VERY POOR. MA’s ECONOMY ACTUALLY FELL DURING HIS TERM.

ROMNEY’S EXPERIENCE: LENGTHY BUT POOR PERFORMANCE.

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 7:15 AM

Right, put your faith in the election promises of a politician. Listen, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Email me for details.
Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Of course you have a bridge — all trolls have a bridge.

Mr. D on January 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Now that was funny!

SKYFOX on January 14, 2010 at 9:05 AM

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 7:15 AM

Why are you shouting?

Buy Danish on January 14, 2010 at 9:12 AM

I don’t care what he voted for in regard to the state of MA. If states want their own insurance program, so be it, that is how it should be done. Keep the Feds away.

shar61 on January 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM

This is just sideshow stuff. If Brown is elected and fails to do what he promised, we will be no worse of then if Coakley was elected. And he will pay for it.

Furthermore, no one has ever claimed (except the Coakley campaign, ironic huh?) that Brown is a far-right winger. He has always been a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. Health care happens to be an issue in which those to stands collide. What he has learned though, is that a Federal law that removes MA’s ability to correct it’s fiscal problems will not be good for MA.

drocity on January 14, 2010 at 9:20 AM

(should read) …no worse off then if Coakley was elected…

drocity on January 14, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Jonathan Gruber (the guy who didn’t say he was paid by HHS) was one of the architects of Romneycare.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 13, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Then there is this on Jonathan Gruber and Tn Healthcare plan.

http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/health-reform/small-business-majority-state-reports/fact_tn_stat_93009.pdf

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM

I didn’t finish my thought on Gruber and the Tn healthcare.
Some group called the smallbusinessmajority put that info out saying how great the healthcare plan would be for small business in Tn. I also found one for Wis. I am assuming there is one for every state.

It says on the bottom that smallbusinessmajority brings a NON-Partisan voice on healthcare to DC but in the small print where they are giving credit for the graphs and numbers they give credit to Jonathan Gruber. Since he is/was paid by HHS which is pushing Obamacare, that negates the NON in non-partisan.

And in the Gruber thread of a few days ago, I did find an article stating that he was one of the architects of the Massachusetts healthcare plan.

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 14, 2010 at 12:11 AM

Thank you, I knew there was something about the architect of this monstrosity.
This is a smoking gun for ObowMao committing fraud WHILE IN OFFICE. November 3rd is now impeachment day.

Blacksmith8 on January 14, 2010 at 9:21 AM

but it’s interesting how he’s gotten a total pass on this in the interest of taking over Teddy’s seat while Mitt continues to struggle with it ahead of the primaries

A senator is only one of 100, and he has to get elected by the voters of a single state. So the interests of that state are more important than the interests of the nation as a whole.

There’s only one president, he gets elected by voters from all states.

Two different offices, two different election dynamics. Why are you surprised that there would be two different strategies?

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM

uhhhh…I think you just conceded an issue.

sayabule1 on January 13, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Only if you don’t know how to read.
You claimed that we demand that candidates toe the line on every issue. He gave an issue on which we don’t demand he toe the line.

How is that supporting your claim?

MarkTheGreat on January 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM

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