Pat Robertson: Haiti made a pact with the devil or something

posted at 4:10 pm on January 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

He may be a crank, but he’s consistent in his crankery. Anywhere there’s human misery — after 9/11, after Katrina, even after Ariel Sharon’s stroke — Reverend Pat will be there to explain to the victims why they deserved it. (And he’s not the only one.) He’s taking a beating on Twitter right now for having said this, including/especially from Christians who don’t want to see the faith smeared by his latest Old Testament thunderbolt theory. No worries there: Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view. But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.

If you’re wondering what the “pact with the devil” is all about (fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian), Tapper has some quickie background. Tongue-in-cheek exit question from MKH: According to the Harry Reid standard, shouldn’t Robertson’s charitable works absolve him from any and all offensive utterances?


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Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

The pact with the devil may have ended – if you believe the Devil honors expiration dates on his pacts. Perhaps God’s punishment does not end with the pact.

I don’t know how much truth is mixed in with legend in the article.

I don’t think the iron pig statue exists as a tribute to Boukman. It may not exist at all, may exist but is not in P-au-P, or may exist but was a gift from Italy to the Hatian people.

People were wondering what Robertson was talking about so I simply tried to provide some context. Not trying to advocate or debunk the story.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I think Pat is confusing his memories of watching “Angel Heart” and “Lord of The Rings”, and got the two all jumbled up and stuff.

Itchee Dryback on January 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM

What a horrible comment to make. We need to help our fellow man now.

nazo311 on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I would also point out Robertson does feel deeply concerned for the Haitian people.

He may believe something you do not believe – but his ‘pact with the Devil’ comment isn’t as bizarre as some are making out to be.

Certainly Boukman existed and played a role in the slave uprising. It is striking that Haiti struggles so mightily after once thriving. Dominican Republic does not suffer like Haiti.

There are some facts that mesh quite well with the legend.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Itchee,

Is Angel Heart the movie one of the Cosby kids did? Soft core porn if I remember correctly. I only saw about 5 minutes of that movie. All the time I needed.

As for Robertson’s statements, this guy just needs to go away. He in no way reflects my opinion as a proud Republican.

pghpat26 on January 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

pghpat26 on January 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Yeah..Lisa Bonet. She did this dances and you could see her boobies. It was a good movie.

Itchee Dryback on January 13, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Which is it: is Robertson’s one of God’s blunders or is Robertson’s God one of Robertson’s blunders?

MB4 on January 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

I think the Bible makes it pretty clear in the first few paragraphs that the pact with the devil started with Adam.

JellyToast on January 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

What a horrible comment to make. We need to help our fellow man now.

nazo311 on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

If Christ were to come back to earth I don’t think he would join Robertson’s church.

MB4 on January 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM

This comment is unbelievably heartless. With all of the innocent lives lost in this tragedy a normal human brain would not utter such nonsense.

Mormon Doc on January 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

The man is a ghoul.

Mormon Doc on January 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM

What the hell? Its voodoo that caused the earthquakes? I thought is was buggery that caused earthquakes. But its definitely drinking and carousing that causes hurricanes, but for some reason god doesn’t hit the area that drinks and carouses as hard as the black area nearby.

If Robertson is right, god’s a real racist prick if you ask me.

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:06 PM

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 4:54 PM

FYI the Catholic Church was the first church established by Jesus Christ all other Christian religions were formed afterwards.
Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” Peter is the first Pope of the Catholic Church. This fact is undisputed.
Check out the religion section in any World Almanac.

redridinghood on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

I always hate it when the MSM drags out Robertson, or before his death, Falwell to be the “representative” of Christians.

It must be similar to how rational blacks feel when Sharpton and Jackson are trotted out as their “voice”.

wildcat84 on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Geeze if god’s doing all this sh!t because of his petty little ego, we must have done something really horrible for him to punish us with Robertson.

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

The man is a ghoul.

Mormon Doc on January 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Pat Robertson should know that there are worse things than dying. With my little green ring I can take him apart molecule by molecule and then put him back together again. And maybe I put him back together right and maybe I don’t. But he’ll be alive and conscious for every second of it.

HalJordan on January 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM

If that’s what god did to Haiti for dealing with the devil, why does Jimmy Page get a pass?

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Geeze if god’s doing all this sh!t because of his petty little ego, we must have done something really horrible for him to punish us with Robertson.

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Men rarely [Robertson apparently never] manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods [certainly Robertson's] have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
- Robert A. Heinlein

MB4 on January 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Led Zep’s pact wasn’t for 200 years. The devil just rented Led Zep for a few years during his heavy metal phase.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM

I dislike this chap.

AbaddonsReign on January 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM

I don’t think his belief is all that extreme or his comment all that offensive.

The timing is poor because it is too soon, but this is certainly something that believers of the ‘Boukman Contract’ are going to be talking about for decades.

Pat’s just ahead of the curve.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 10:29 PM

I know he believes that, Robertson, but why does he say something so controversial?

Slightly o/t, I do think now would be a good time to wipe Haiti clean and start fresh. Their government needs to go and now is the time to do it.

Oink on January 13, 2010 at 10:30 PM

If that’s what god did to Haiti for dealing with the devil, why does Jimmy Page get a pass?

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

If God is a fan of the The Yardbird’s or Led Zeppelin’s “music” that would account for the pass. (But I doubt He is a fan of their “music”.)

Basil Fawlty on January 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM

He may be a crank, but he’s consistent in his crankery. Anywhere there’s human misery — after 9/11, after Katrina, even after Ariel Sharon’s stroke — Reverend Pat will be there to explain to the victims why they deserved it. (And he’s not the only one.) He’s taking a beating on Twitter right now for having said this, including/especially from Christians who don’t want to see the faith smeared by his latest Old Testament thunderbolt theory. No worries there: Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view. But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.

Smeared? How? As an atheist, don’t you avow that the Pope’s gentleness and compassion = Robertson’s sermon on God’s wrath = dancing in a duckpond singing “Stardust”? If the naked ape is just daydreaming, where do you come up with rules about tolerance and love?

Yet, if you do feel impelled towards tolerance and love towards people you never met, and who don’t know your name…why is that? Why would abstract compassion be programmed into a biological computer at random?

Chris_Balsz on January 13, 2010 at 10:39 PM

uly 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Robertson explained the disaster as simple cause and effect, not as the wrath of God.

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Liam, you are generally one of my favorite people, but being Mormon I have a very unique way of looking at the very uncharitable but loudly self-proclaimed “Christian” Mr Robertson purports to be.

He puts me and my kind down as not Christian, but My church will go into Haiti, AS THEY ALWAY DO, I might add, not preaching, but giving food, basic items ect, WITHOUT preaching and judgement. Sort of how I think Christ would do it. After all people can’t listen to the gospel when they are cold, hurt, hungry or worried about survival.

Now in the end, who do you think they will eventually listen to? A puffed up with his own self-righteousness stealer of the judgement throne or brothers and sisters who give without asking anything in return.
He didn’t call it like it is. He is the one who has YET to figure out who Christ is.

Noelie on January 13, 2010 at 10:53 PM

If anyone is interested, the slave revolt in Haiti is an incredible, and incredibly sad story. Toussaint L’Ouverture was an illiterate slave who led an uprising and defeated the French, Spanish, and British armies over a 13 year period. Really incredible.

The reason why Haiti has suffered since then was because part of their arrangement involved them paying France (who had previously enslaved them, they had to pay them to stop being slaves) an inordinate amount of money which saddled them with debt and prevented them from any meaningful economic development at home.

At any rate, there’s a great book about the revolution (the first successful slave uprising in the history of the world) called The Black Jacobins, by CLR James.

Seriously, one of the best books I’ve ever read.

Proud Rino on January 13, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Few people have had a darker impact on the human condition than Pat Robertson. He is the worst kind of evil– masquerading as the word of God.

Potfry on January 13, 2010 at 11:00 PM

It must be similar to how rational blacks feel when Sharpton and Jackson are trotted out as their “voice”.

wildcat84 on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Thats probably right.

Itchee Dryback on January 13, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.

Sorry, AP…wrong end. Please note the smell and correct accordingly.

Laura in Maryland on January 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM

A little background from the American Daily:
Haiti is the only country in the entire world that has dedicated its government to Satan. Demonic spirits have been consulted for political decisions, and have shaped the country’s history.” Thus speaks Reverend Doug Anderson, who grew up in Haiti with missionary parents, and served there along with his wife Dawn as a missionary until 1990. The leaders of Haiti make no attempt to hide their allegiance to Satan. Haiti’s government is a government of the devil, by the devil, and for the devil.

It is a matter of well-documented historical fact that the nation of Haiti was dedicated to Satan 200 years ago. On August 14, 1791, a group of houngans (voodoo priests), led by a former slave houngan named Boukman, made a pact with the Devil at a place called Bois-Caiman. All present vowed to exterminate all of the white Frenchmen on the island. They sacrificed a black pig in a voodoo ritual at which hundreds of slaves drank the pigs blood. In this ritual, Boukman asked Satan for his help in liberating Haiti from the French. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to give the country to Satan for 200 years and swore to serve him. On January 1, 1804, the nation of Haiti was born and thus began a new demonic tyranny.

Christian Conservative on January 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Pat Robertson represents Pat Robertson. He doesn’t represent me, nor does he represent the brand of Christianity represented by the writers of the New Testament.

I always have a theological problem with anyone who starts out a sentence, “The Lord told me…” I want to say immediately back, “Yeah, well, the Lord told me you’re a nucking fut.”

Sorry for the innuendo. Pat should just shut the heck up.

Tennman on January 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM

So saying someone made a “pack with the devil” is a sure sign your a nut case?

Yes? To be clear, a nut case that deserves public scorn, yes?

From the DNC/Martha Coakley’s campaign

SCOTT BROWN’S DEAL WITH THE DEVIL
Will Republicans Sell Out To National Tea Party Movement Backfire At Home?
And If He’s Elected, Who Will He Owe?

DSchoen on January 14, 2010 at 12:02 AM

To say that an earthquake is punishment for a country’s sins is like saying that Job’s trials were his own fault. Or saying that a person is blind because of his sin or his parent’s sin. (John 9:2)

Mr. Robertson is mistaken. Yes, God allowed this to happen for his purposes whatever they are… But instead of showing God’s grace for a people devastated by an earthquake Mr. Robertson has judged them. “…but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.”

in tying this earthquake to the sins of a nation. There is good and evil; God and Satan. It’s a battle that has raged since the beginning of time. Bad things happen to God’s people but they also happen to God’s enemies.

Mo2Do on January 14, 2010 at 12:04 AM

What a horrible comment to make. We need to help our fellow man now.

nazo311 on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Here, here.

AshleyTKing on January 14, 2010 at 12:14 AM

Those who are sending more food and financial help to Haiti than Robertson’s organization, let them cast the first stone.

Christian Conservative on January 14, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Oh and Pat, Go and speak no more.

Christian Conservative on January 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM

Well, he’s like the Christian version of the crazy uncle in the attic.

atheling on January 14, 2010 at 12:23 AM

AllahPundit: Yes, Robertson does command a following of really, really old people. But I gotta tell ya, when Christian radio and TV program people are quoted by people at church, it is usually James Dobson or Rick Warren. I have never heard anyone quote Robertson UNLESS they are repeating something of his to point out the absurdity of the comment.

jediwebdude on January 14, 2010 at 12:30 AM

I don’t known if this has been posted already.

Statement Regarding Pat Robertson’s Comments on Haiti

CBN.com – VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 13, 2010 –On today’s The 700 Club, during a segment about the devastation, suffering and humanitarian effort that is needed in Haiti, Dr. Robertson also spoke about Haiti’s history. His comments were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Boukman Dutty at Bois Caiman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French. This history, combined with the horrible state of the country, has led countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed. Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God’s wrath. If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson’s compassion for the people of Haiti is clear. He called for prayer for them. His humanitarian arm has been working to help thousands of people in Haiti over the last year, and they are currently launching a major relief and recovery effort to help the victims of this disaster. They have sent a shipment of millions of dollars worth of medications that is now in Haiti, and their disaster team leaders are expected to arrive tomorrow and begin operations to ease the suffering.

Chris Roslan
Spokesman for CBN

Brass on January 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM

Those who are sending more food and financial help to Haiti than Robertson’s organization, let them cast the first stone.

Christian Conservative on January 14, 2010 at 12:16 AM

So if I give more money than Robertson can I actually throw a stone at him?

July 10 on January 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM

So if I give more money than Robertson can I actually throw a stone at him?

July 10 on January 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Jules, if you’ve got a good arm, I’ll take up a collection.

Laura in Maryland on January 14, 2010 at 12:44 AM

Pat Robertson had business dealings with Charles Taylor and Mobutu Sese Seko, both of whom were Dictators.

Charles Taylor is currently on trial for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, he ordered his soldiers to engage in cannibalism to terrorize his enemies, once ordered a pregnant woman buried alive and engaged in ritual human sacrifice.

Think about it, Pat Robertson bank-rolled atrocity, cannibalism and slaughter.

Mobutu aided the extremists that were responsible for the slaughter in Rwanda. Think about it, Pat Robertson had business dealings with this man.

All in the name of Diamond mining.

Holger on January 14, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Old-Timer’s disease?

Sharke on January 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM

HalJordan on January 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Watch out for Sinestro.

disillusioned on January 14, 2010 at 12:57 AM

$1 billion in the past 5 years…for what?

Connie on January 14, 2010 at 1:04 AM

Decades of too much hairspray takes its toll.

viking01 on January 14, 2010 at 1:16 AM

Pat Robertson is the white, Christian Farrakhan.
Except with Robertson, everyone thinks he is crazy and isn’t afraid to say it out loud.

JeffinOrlando on January 14, 2010 at 1:26 AM

Those who are sending more food and financial help to Haiti than Robertson’s organization, let them cast the first stone.

Christian Conservative on January 14, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Please, someone clear this up. Must I be wealthy to throw this stone, or can we adjust for percentage of income? Do I have to match this sum dollar for dollar? If it is an organization that is giving this money, perhaps I can simply match Robertson’s own contribution to said funds. Would that suffice, or do I have to actually give more than the aggregate sum of all financial help from all of those donating to Robertson’s organization? Then can I throw this stone?

But to get back to your original asinine statement, consider for a moment that Jesus was maybe not talking about writing comments on a blog. Maybe he was talking about, oh I dunno, literally throwing stones at a helpless person in a street.

“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first write a comment on a blog about her.” Just doesn’t have the same ring to it, huh?

July 10 on January 14, 2010 at 1:30 AM

If God had really wanted to punish the Haitians he would have just left the French there, right?

Maybe Pat and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright could do a speaking tour together. That would draw the crazies from both sides together in one place and make it easier for Homeland Security to identify the next domestic terror threat.

Bennett on January 14, 2010 at 1:31 AM

Christians who don’t think God “punishes” even in “New Testament” times has very little knowledge of the God they claim to worship. All of this is providential to Haiti and to our times. God is clear in telling us that He allows those He loves to be chastised by the consequence of their own sins in an effort to get them to return to Him.

Woe to those who don’t heed His call, or even worse, aren’t disciplined at all and left to their own sinful gluttony. At least those who are disciplined have the chance to turn to Him. What does that mean for a country with less strife, like ours, but with increasing covetousness and murderous designs, our abortion holocaust makes a deal with the devil seem quaint.

Robertson may not have good timing or the best tact, but at least there’s one Christian out there who isn’t afraid to make bold pronouncements in the name of the Lord. If only the rest of us had the courage.

quiz1 on January 14, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Get real folks. Haiti is a failed state. For over 200 years a failed state. One of the worst in the world, a failed state.

America pushed out the last dictator, Aristede, to give Haiti a chance. Brazil provided a police force to give Haiti a chance. Dominica thrives while Haiti remains a cesspool.

Don’t care why. It is as history has written. Now explain just why I should preserve these folk for the gene pool.

IIRC there are almost as many Haitians in America as in Haiti. Good on them. Betcha they are almost 100% legal immigrants or citizens. Glad you came.

Caststeel on January 14, 2010 at 2:11 AM

Send a few bucks to the
American Red + Cross,
if you can spare it…

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on January 14, 2010 at 2:36 AM

or
The Salvation Army,
G-d bless ‘em…

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on January 14, 2010 at 2:58 AM

Brass on January 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM

Very well put by Mr Roslan. An objective and informed person looking at the facts and not looking to crucify Pat Robertson can easily see the compassion shown by Mr Robertson.

A poor choice of words at that moment, but there was no malice intended and this should not be considered an ‘extreme belief’. Legend, Lore, Fact, Fiction. There is probably a little of each mixed into the story along the way but the story has been around for sometime.

Like the story of Washington and the cherry tree whether it actually happened is impossible to prove today. Regardless, it is still an integral part of a story that has been told for hundreds of years.

Mocking his belief in the ‘Pact with the Devil’ is akin to mocking someone for mentioning the cherry tree story.

Mr Purple on January 14, 2010 at 3:15 AM

Mocking his belief in the ‘Pact with the Devil’ is akin to mocking someone for mentioning the cherry tree story.

Mr Purple on January 14, 2010 at 3:15 AM

No, it’s not. But if someone uses the “the cherry tree story” to explain Hurricane Katrina, then they should be mocked. Just as Robertson should be mocked for claiming that 9/11 has something to do with “the gays and the lesbians” or claiming this recent earthquake has something to do with a “pact with the devil” from 1791.

July 10 on January 14, 2010 at 3:57 AM

“Pat Robertson: Haiti made a pact with the devil or something”

This guy really gives Christians a bad name. Can’t the pope denounce him as an idiot or something? Or some other well-known Christian pundit?

Kevin M on January 14, 2010 at 3:58 AM

quiz1 on January 14, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Well said. It’s astonishing how many Christians (and others) try to remake God into what they want Him to be, or to behave as if He answers to them (“I won’t worship a God who…” Well, okay, you don’t have to, but don’t think you’re changing the nature of God because you would like Him better if He were soft and fluffy). I don’t pretend to know when God is punishing us for our arrogance and sinfulness, but I do know that any familiarity with Scripture should make us take God’s view of the seriousness of sin more seriously (“… flee the the wrath to come”).

DrMagnolias on January 14, 2010 at 5:07 AM

The creepiness factor of Pat Robertson is off the charts. I can’t believe he actually ran for President once.

Logic on January 14, 2010 at 6:40 AM

FYI the Catholic Church was the first church established by Jesus Christ all other Christian religions were formed afterwards.
Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” Peter is the first Pope of the Catholic Church. This fact is undisputed.
Check out the religion section in any World Almanac.

redridinghood on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Get lost…Peter was not the “Pope”, he was too young, and he travelled without the “Pope mobile”, and he didn’t wear funny hats.
Peter never married (like some Popes), he never killed people in the name of the Church, and he never sold indulgences like all the Popes have…you show me in the Bible where you can buy your way out of sin with money…

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Global Warming is kookier by far.

Fact.

jeff_from_mpls on January 14, 2010 at 7:22 AM

I think this whole thing is being overblown…but Haiti has been a hell-hole for a long long time. why? I don’t know, but if you could call a land cursed, then haiti sure would qualify..its sad.

right4life on January 14, 2010 at 7:23 AM

Peter never married (like some Popes),

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Peter was married…

1 Corinthians 9:5

Don’t we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does?

right4life on January 14, 2010 at 7:25 AM

The reason why Haiti has suffered since then was because part of their arrangement involved them paying France (who had previously enslaved them,

Wait a second. France is in Europe. John Kerry speaks french! Are you seriously telling me France had slaves?? I thought only America had slaves!

JellyToast on January 14, 2010 at 7:28 AM

a missionary that I knew that was in Haiti also said the same thing about Haiti having a pact with the devil. It’s not why they are being punished, its part of their history. What business do Christians have with spirits such as the rampant voodoo on Haiti? One extreme is not acknowledging God or the Devil, the other is seeing a devil behind every tree or blaming a devil for a personal vice or sin. Why don’t you ask more Haitians about the pact with the Devil before you dismiss it out of hand? Then check John’s gospel Chapter 9 about how Jesus tackled the tragedies of His day that were seen as God’s punishment for such and such sin, it’s a pretty good perspective. The fact of the matter, religious organizations and people lead the way as best as possible in miserable conditions such as Haiti.

mdetlh on January 14, 2010 at 7:36 AM

Pat Robertson is the white, Christian Farrakhan.
Except with Robertson, everyone thinks he is crazy and isn’t afraid to say it out loud.

JeffinOrlando on January 14, 2010 at 1:26 AM

I think that is a little extreme.
Look, Pat is old. The guy put his foot in his mouth. I’ve done that more than once myself. In fact, some days all I do is open my mouth to exchange feet. No one else has ever done that, I suppose. Yes, it was a stupid thing to say. Give the guy a little slack. The 700 Club does do a lot of good for a lot of people and I would not be surprised if their organization was not already down their giving aid freely to any and all who need it.

JellyToast on January 14, 2010 at 7:42 AM

If that’s what god did to Haiti for dealing with the devil, why does Jimmy Page get a pass?

LevStrauss on January 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Actually Led Zeppelin didn’t get a pass – their drummer died in 1980

LODGE4 on January 14, 2010 at 8:05 AM

redridinghood on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Thanks, but I’m quite familiar with the shtick. I taught Religious Education CCD classes in two dioceses. For the record, your statement isn’t even consistent with standard RC teaching. As for the verse quoted, for the sake of the thread and space… I’ll just add, you might want to just look at v.23 if you want to interpret v.18 that way.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 8:22 AM

Why does anyone give any time to this senile imbecile much less take him seriously? Perhaps he’s played with too may voodoo dolls as a kid.

Annar on January 14, 2010 at 8:27 AM

While I disagree with Pat Robertson on this (for interpretive theological reasons), he didn’t say anything that isn’t consistent with what is preached in many a Pentecostal church every Sunday.

I think a lot of the hoopla is faux outrage.

From his perspective… if there is a devil and you do make a pact with him… there will be a price to pay. “Feeling” do not determine truth. As I noted, I disagree with the basic theology behind his statement… but that is because I believe it to be wrong, not be because I don’t think it’s “nice.”

I’ve written many times that if Islam is true, we should all submit to Sharia… it would be foolish not to… but I find no reason to believe it is true.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 8:28 AM

If Christ were to come back to earth I don’t think he would join Robertson’s church.

MB4 on January 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM

How do you know? Are you a prophet/apostle yourself like Robertson?

You’ve also committed Robertson’s apparent blunder and maybe more.

Lesson: DON’T PRESUME TOO MUCH.

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view. But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.

By your standard AP, you would be one of those who would put the prophet Jeremiah into prison.

He said it in the context of his FAITH. Just like Jeremiah.

Instead, discuss what’s wrong with the theology of Robertson vis-a-vis his alleged infamous statement. In his theological world, gotchas and “one liners” like in politics don’t really apply.

There is really no “Feel Good” Christianity. In the original context of Judeo-Christian faith … THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CAPITULATION of everything.

THE WICKED WILL PERISH!

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM

What a horrible comment to make. We need to help our fellow man now.

nazo311 on January 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

To be fair, Robertson didn’t say:

LEAVE THE PEOPLE OF HAITI INTO MISERY.

In the end, Robertson’s organization will have more humanitarian support to the grieving Haitians than many of us will actually do.

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 8:49 AM

THE WICKED WILL PERISH!

TheAlamos on January 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM

The omnipotent God kills the wicked by moving the Earth’s plates which kills the innocent along with the wicked? Wouldn’t a more targeted approach be evidence of a tie between wickedness and death by natural disaster? Maybe an avalanche in bin Laden’s cave?

dedalus on January 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view.

I don’t want to wander too far down this path, but the ol’ “NT view” thing is rather ignorant of the NT itself.

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power…

etc.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 8:54 AM

To balance my last post… just to be clear… I do not believe the quake in Haiti is an act of God to punish the island. All things in due course… but none of us is innocent. None. And just in case that is misconstrued… I again write that I do not believe that the quake was an act of God’s vengeance.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 8:58 AM

I listened to the quote in context and it didn\’t sound that bad(he still should not have said it).
He said they made a pact with devil to be free of the french and ever since that time bad things have happened.I have no proof they really did make a pact but
He still said we should help them etc etc like thealamos said.

Robertson organization will definetly give more support than any athiest group.

kangjie on January 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM

The omnipotent God kills the wicked by moving the Earth’s plates which kills the innocent along with the wicked? Wouldn’t a more targeted approach be evidence of a tie between wickedness and death by natural disaster? Maybe an avalanche in bin Laden’s cave?

dedalus on January 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

“I’ll kill them all and let myself sort them out”, said God.

The idea that God would kill good people along bad in order to punish a country is so ludicrous and offensive that it could only be seriously entertained by the kind of people who think that we’d all be better off living under the Mosaic Law.

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Ridiculous remark on his part. Not atypical, however.

AnninCA on January 14, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Read the Old Testament much? “Good” people (a distinctly human notion of “good”) died because of the wickedness of others more than once. This is still true. Sin hurts people besides the one committing it. Although from an human perspective good people meeting what we believe is an early demise is a terrible thing, it may not be in God’s eyes–death (and this should be the perspective of a Christian), is not the worst of all things.

In any case, I believe we should all be careful about saying that God was–or wasn’t–involved with something, because we aren’t privy to that knowledge. What I find interesting about all this huffing and scoffing about Robertson is, he certainly may be wrong–but we can’t really know, can we? And, what if he isn’t? Really ruminating on that possibility should be sobering.

DrMagnolias on January 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM

What Olberdouche said last night about Pat and Rush is a thousand times more harsh than Robertson’s proclamation… yet he’ll never be called on it.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Nobody seems to be talking about how Robertson screwed up the Napoleons. Haiti was already independent by the time Napoleon the Third was around.

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mankai on January 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Read the Old Testament much? “Good” people (a distinctly human notion of “good”) died because of the wickedness of others more than once. This is still true. Sin hurts people besides the one committing it. Although from an human perspective good people meeting what we believe is an early demise is a terrible thing, it may not be in God’s eyes–death (and this should be the perspective of a Christian), is not the worst of all things.

In any case, I believe we should all be careful about saying that God was–or wasn’t–involved with something, because we aren’t privy to that knowledge. What I find interesting about all this huffing and scoffing about Robertson is, he certainly may be wrong–but we can’t really know, can we? And, what if he isn’t? Really ruminating on that possibility should be sobering.

DrMagnolias on January 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Do you read the NT much?

I know God well enough to say that He isn’t in the business of punishing individual countries anymore; that happened in the OT-era, when He was immature and more crude. Thankfully, He has gotten beyond that stage of development.

If you don’t know God well enough to know that He is more refined than now than He was in the OT, that’s your problem.

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:01 AM

If you don’t know God well enough to know that He is more refined than now than He was in the OT, that’s your problem.

FIFM

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:03 AM

In any case, I believe we should all be careful about saying that God was–or wasn’t–involved with something, because we aren’t privy to that knowledge. What I find interesting about all this huffing and scoffing about Robertson is, he certainly may be wrong–but we can’t really know, can we? And, what if he isn’t? Really ruminating on that possibility should be sobering.

DrMagnolias on January 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM

It’s ignorant to tell someone they deserved a grave misfortune due to something inherent in their moral character. Falwell & Robertson were crazy when they claimed that WTC workers paid the price on 9/11 because of God’s displeasure with feminists and other groups.

Perhaps earthquakes, cancer, terror attacks, etc. are signs from God. However, if so, the messages aren’t terribly coherent. If God had a Twitter account it would create less collateral damage and get His point across more clearly.

dedalus on January 14, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Ezekiel 18:20:

The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity ; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

fusionaddict on January 14, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Do you read the NT much?

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Lots of wrath in the NT… lots of grace in the OT.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 10:13 AM

dedalus on January 14, 2010 at 10:06 AM

The fact that we’re not all dead is an act of grace.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 10:17 AM

right2bright on January 14, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Typical Bill Maher – Jon Stewart – Joy Behar response.

redridinghood on January 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Lots of wrath in the NT… lots of grace in the OT.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 10:13 AM

God has evolved since the OT, hasn’t He?

Newsflash – OT: hate your enemies; NT: love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM

If you don’t know God well enough to know that He is more refined than now than He was in the OT, that’s your problem.

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Good to see the old critter is still evolving but doesn’t that go against his supposed omniscience?

Annar on January 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Bizarro No. 1 on January 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Wow. One verse. You apparently have a full grasp of the Bible. How about this one verse:

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power…

Or this from the lips of the Lord:

Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

You make the mistake of confusing the differing conditions in different ages with God’s supposed change in character.

From the OT:

How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?
For scorners delight in their scorning,
And fools hate knowledge.
Turn at my rebuke;
Surely I will pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
Because I have called and you refused,
I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded…

No act of wrath was ever without an opportunity for grace, freely offered. That was true for Adam, for Noah, for Abraham, for Moses, for David, for Peter, for Paul… all of whom lived under different conditions in different ages.

mankai on January 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Wow!

Is being an aspiring news journalist on this show akin to breaking into the movie business by starting out doing x-rated movies? This kind of nonsense is religious porn.

bcre8v on January 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM

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