Pat Robertson: Haiti made a pact with the devil or something

posted at 4:10 pm on January 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

He may be a crank, but he’s consistent in his crankery. Anywhere there’s human misery — after 9/11, after Katrina, even after Ariel Sharon’s stroke — Reverend Pat will be there to explain to the victims why they deserved it. (And he’s not the only one.) He’s taking a beating on Twitter right now for having said this, including/especially from Christians who don’t want to see the faith smeared by his latest Old Testament thunderbolt theory. No worries there: Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view. But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.

If you’re wondering what the “pact with the devil” is all about (fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian), Tapper has some quickie background. Tongue-in-cheek exit question from MKH: According to the Harry Reid standard, shouldn’t Robertson’s charitable works absolve him from any and all offensive utterances?


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Does anyone else want to know more about this “true story” that Pat is referencing, cause it sounds kind of awesome.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM

He recalled history, citing a specific moment in time when certain Haitians took charge, based on voodoo rituals and beliefs (which are still very strong, today).

Shepherd Lover on January 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Except that, as usual, he got his history completely wrong, and there’s no evidence at all that that “specific moment” ever happened.

notropis on January 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Years ago I was watching the 700 Club on TV & Pat was getting ready to make a prayer when suddenly he started carrying on a conversation with an invisible person, almost behaved as though he was talking to someone on the phone.
He was carrying on a conversation with God.
That was it for me.
The guy’s a nutbag.

Badger40 on January 13, 2010 at 5:12 PM

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Haha no, suggesting that tetris needs to read it, specifically parts about the “New covenant”, as opposed to Old Covenant…

ReformedAndDangerous on January 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

People who live in earthquake zones, who live in houses that cannot withstand an earthquake may be asking for trouble, but they hardly deserve this.
Pat-shut your hole & be a real Christian & don’t heap insult upon injury.

Badger40 on January 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Shepherd Lover on January 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM

The problem is that Pat’s understanding of Haitian history may be incorrect, as pointed out in one of the posts above.

hawksruleva on January 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I’ll give one glaring example… he can’t flood the world today as he once could. There are scores more examples.

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Not “can’t”, but “won’t”. Promised not to.

Midas on January 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Oy…

I almost went to his stupid university because it was the only Law School in the Tidewater Area of Virginia. Then I realized I couldnt go at all (not Christian) whooops!

Squid Shark on January 13, 2010 at 5:15 PM

DRPrice on January 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM

If you haven’t followed, the Pope was quoted as a shot at Robertson… There was then raised the “Some Christian do not consider Catholics Christians” shtick… to which I quoted Popes who stated “infallibly” for centuries that any who were “not subject to the Roman Pontiff… no matter how blameless otherwise in life… cannot be saved.”

As usual, only approved papal quotes are allowed.

Vatican II has two anathemas in it in regard to indulgences and damns all those who leave the Catholic Church. But that’s inconvenient.

Only approved papal quotes are allowed… and only references to Non-Catholics who say that Catholics aren’t Christians (which I have NEVER argued) are allowed. These rules are unfair.

das all.

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Not “can’t”, but “won’t”. Promised not to.

Midas on January 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

OK… but in a sense he “can’t” since God cannot lie or deny his own word.

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Next in the news; Pat Robertson announces his candidacy for US President. Another light-skinned preacher without a Negro dialect. No need to be afraid.

Electrongod on January 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

He’s not a ‘crank’, he’s a senile old fool.

GarandFan on January 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

ReformedAndDangerous on January 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Ah. Got it.

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Buddhists can get ugly too. Just read up on Myanmar and their government’s persecution of Christians. It is in the name of Buddhism.

mwbri on January 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Not your best bet if you are looking to impugn Buddhists. The government of Burma has tortured and killed plenty of Buddhist monks in recent years. And they didn’t seem to care about the Buddhists suffering after the hurricane in 2008 when they prevented foreign aid from reaching them.

And Buddha himself would say that one of the main reasons for suffering is ignorance…which seems appropriate considering the subject at hand.

Asher on January 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Saint Augustine was a good Catholic, if the Church went back to his views there would be no use for a Protestant Church

jp on January 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Pat Robertson is a piece of dung.

Really can’t stand these extremist religious types that give the rest a bad name.

therightwinger on January 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM

I have no idea what “true story” he’s referencing. If he’s referring to an actual event I would love to know the actual details. I don’t believe Haiti made a pact with the devil anymore than I believe Robert Johnson made one at the Crossroads.
flyfisher on January 13, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Toussaint L’ Overture, that nation’s founder, was a voodoo practitioner. In Pat’s mind that puts the whole nation under contract with the devil. Also Catholicism, along with the Eastern churches MADE Christianity. I love my Protestant friends and family but they really have no clue on this one. Any Christian, even the “Bible believing” ones, who worships on Sunday is just as “un-scriptural” as any Catholic/Orthodox Christian and must admit to the adherence of tradition, no matter how much they might detest it. So for the 98% of us American Christians who aren’t Seventh Day Adventists, maybe we can lay off the whole “whose are real Christian” nonsense?

PS: Check out scripturecatholic.com and check back if you still have questions.

abobo on January 13, 2010 at 5:22 PM

The world according to Pat was supposed to end in 1982. Considering how much money and time I spent preparing for it, I can never forgive or believe him ever again.

Bishop on January 13, 2010 at 4:27 PM

LMAO! That brought tears to my eyes I laughed so hard!

Badger40 on January 13, 2010 at 5:22 PM

fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian

Allah, maybe you should know a “dirty little secret” there. The real religion there is Voodoo – it is just dressed up in the costumes of Catholic saints. I’m sure that there are a lot of sincere Christians there, but let’s not cover the sky with our hands, shall we?

What? Is it wrong to point out the obvious?

(Full disclosure: as a Puerto Rican, I know of many people who do Santeria while they’re Catholics there. There’s no reason to deny that. I’m sure a Cuban will tell you the same thing.)

As for Robertson, he should just sit down and shut up, while other Christians and their organizations take up the relief efforts in Haiti. He has done nothing but hurt the cause of Christianity with his slips of the tongue.

And I don’t care if any Haitian has had a “pact with the Devil” or not. They need our help. Right. Now.

newton on January 13, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Stupid quote button!!!

abobo on January 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM

But, it’s not like there are any diseases that target individuals who engage in particular lifestyles, right?

hawksruleva on January 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Like childbirth? That has been a leading cause of death for millennia.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM

He could have at least blamed it on the fact that AIDS came to the US via Haiti, that at least would have been accurate… no less offensive, no less incorrect, but at least it would have been accurate history.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Wait, so did all the Haitians get together and call upon the devil to get rid of the French? Or was it a just collection Haitian leaders?

Or does it just take one Haitian with the devil on speed dial to wreak unholy havoc for centuries?

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, Pat is a doddering old FOOL.

Got it.

When this came in the wire, I am certain Allah was pissing his Underoos to paint all people of superstition faith with the broad brush of mindless hate.

***yawn***

Next.

seejanemom on January 13, 2010 at 5:27 PM

This is what Robertson was apparently referring to:
http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/academy/gelin-10-05.shtml

TTheoLogan on January 13, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Saint Augustine was a good Catholic, if the Church went back to his views there would be no use for a Protestant Church

jp on January 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Except for those who actually believed in the Bible.

TTheoLogan on January 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

If you haven’t followed, the Pope was quoted as a shot at Robertson… There was then raised the “Some Christian do not consider Catholics Christians” shtick… to which I quoted Popes who stated “infallibly” for centuries that any who were “not subject to the Roman Pontiff… no matter how blameless otherwise in life… cannot be saved.”

As usual, only approved papal quotes are allowed.

Vatican II has two anathemas in it in regard to indulgences and damns all those who leave the Catholic Church. But that’s inconvenient.

Only approved papal quotes are allowed… and only references to Non-Catholics who say that Catholics aren’t Christians (which I have NEVER argued) are allowed. These rules are unfair.

das all.

Spare me. On a day when uncounted human lives have been lost and continue to be lost, the most important thing for you is to lovingly nurse your (ineducably ignorant) grievance against “unfair” Catholic doctrine. While the bodies rot and the poor shriek for help, you ride your point-scoring hobby horse.

Your Christian light shines forth for all to see.

By all means–have the last word. Your craving for it can’t be denied.

DRPrice on January 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Does anyone else want to know more about this “true story” that Pat is referencing, cause it sounds kind of awesome.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM

http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/academy/gelin-10-05.shtml

TTheoLogan on January 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

What’s worse, saying these awful things or not doing anything to help the people in this situation?

I’ll throw stones after I’ve actually done something.

Esthier on January 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Geeze Pat. I thought someone named God passed those kinds of judgements?!!! What gives you the authority to speak for God? And a certificate showing you’re a preacher doesn’t count.

capejasmine on January 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I don’t agree with his comments – but I do lay the blame squarely on Haitians – who have historically failed to provide a civilization for themselves and their posterity that could respond to such crisis as they are enduring now.

We should help them – but we should also say – “Hey, when are you guys going to stand on your own?”

If they can’t get it right – they should beg to join the Dominican Republic and maybe they can teach the Haitians something.

This is ridiculous.

HondaV65 on January 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM

The reference was to a worldwide flood, which God has limited himself from bringing.

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM

The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami killed the innocent with the wicket. It seemed global to those involved. No doubt Noah’s flood seemed global since they had no knowledge of the Americas or much of the rest of the populated world.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Republicans are finally emphasizing economic conservatism instead of social conservatism. So of course Robertson and the rest of the God Squad have to try to make headlines.

Speedwagon82 on January 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM

If you’re wondering what the “pact with the devil” is all about (fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian), Tapper has some quickie background.

What I’ve read is certainly Old Testament in its effects, or even Islamic. The sins of a person are personal in Christianity (at least they are in my version), and do not devolve upon that person’s family, including his/her children. Scripture is quite clear that, in following the Lord, families may be rended as those who do not follow him take a different path.

Saint Augustine was a good Catholic, if the Church went back to his views there would be no use for a Protestant Church

jp on January 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Hmmm. From which particular views of Saint Augustine do you view the Catholic Church as having deviated?

mankai on January 13, 2010 at 5:15 PM

So, how do you view a person as becoming saved? Let’s turn this little exercise on its ear. Catholics believe that Catholics have the inside track with the Lord. They think there’s only one true Church in the universe, and they are in it. They have an entire theology based on Scripture to back them up, as well as a Tradition rooted in same. They think that those who walk a different path than they do have an imperfect (or worse — invalid) understanding of the truths Jesus gave us. What do you believe, Mankai, and how does it relate to Haiti?

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:35 PM

So let me get this right – if I, as a Christian were to point out that the major contributing factor to America’s recent finanicial troubles was the Fed providing artificially cheap money which created excessive consumption, speculative bubbles & eventually a huge collapse, there are many here who would call me unchristian for stating this glaringly obvious fact? By pointing out the errors of the Fed I am being cruel to them, eh?

Good things happen to bad people (“he makes his rain fall on the wicked and the just”) and bad things happen to good people because that’s the nature of the Fallen world in the worldview of Robertson and me.

As to the Haitian people making a pact with the devil, many here simply seem to equate the idea of Satan with the old image of horns and red pants and therefore, as that is obvious nonsense, the existence of a real devil is obviously nonsense too. Your country made a pact with God at its founding. Was that superstition too? In comparison with Haiti how has that worked out for you?

During Jesus’ temptation the Devil said to him “bow down and worship me and I will give you all the kingdoms of the world for they are mine and I can give them to whomever I please”. Such is still the case – and will be until the Lord’s return – so why on earth should it seem odd that “indescriminate” disasters happen on this battle-ground? Why on earth should it be surprising that a people can get rest from present evils by going to one or the other spiritual powers? Which one they go to depends on the nature of the people and the long-term consequences depend on the nature of the power they appeal to. There’s nothing surprising in any of this.

Roberston ended with a commitment to do everything he could to help all those sufferring people – doesn’t that show real Christian grace when he actually believes such troubles were brought upon this generation of Haitians by their ancestors? Isn’t that forgiveness and love? Even for pure pragmatists, aren’t his actions of more importance that his words?

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Like childbirth? That has been a leading cause of death for millennia.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Again, meaningless hyperbole! You mean childbirth is a leading cause of death compared to wars, heart disease, epidemics, and infected cuts? Crazy… Oh, wait, I get it: Since you must be born in order to die, childbirth is highly correlated with death. Arguably, causal.

I stand corrected.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Dear Pat,

You are exhibiting douchenozzle characteristics. Please shut piehole and retire to wherever Oral Roberts went.

SIncerely,

Everyone

AttilaTheHun on January 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM

This is ridiculous.

HondaV65 on January 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I’d say an earthquake which kills half a million on an island where that number is quite consequential mandates that we reach into our pockets yet again. My wallet is next to one of my cheeks, and I just turned it.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM

New Orleans is an American example of the mixture of voodoo and catholicism. In Haiti, it’s far more serious. Doofpundit shows his ignorance once again by claiming anything that has the term “christianity” attached to it is therefore Christian. I guess David Koresh was, too.

TTheoLogan on January 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM

as Judgement as opposed to just being part of a fallen world. and wiping everything out, not just a small area.

jp on January 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM

So the smaller floods that have killed millions were judgment targeted at the people in places like Thailand in 2004, Galveston in 1900, or along the Yellow river in 1887?

Wouldn’t a flood or quake in Germany in the 1930′s have been more in order?

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Again, meaningless hyperbole! You mean childbirth is a leading cause of death compared to wars, heart disease, epidemics, and infected cuts? Crazy… Oh, wait, I get it: Since you must be born in order to die, childbirth is highly correlated with death. Arguably, causal.

I stand corrected.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM

I meant for the women giving birth.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM

If there really was a God, he’d reach down and smite Pat R. Right in the ass.

TheSitRep on January 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM

the only serious question is why did Shep show this on FNC this PM?

Not news, sorry.

r keller on January 13, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Just read a book about earthquakes (A Crack in the world-S. Winchester) which oddly enough has the origin of the Pentacostal Church Oddly enough it was in San Francisco in 1906…right before the earthquake.

birdhurd on January 13, 2010 at 4:31 PM

I doubt that God punished San Francisco for the founding of the Pentacostals. I doubt also that any particular convocation of the Pentacostals caused an earthquake.

Just my feelings.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:47 PM

So the “new testatment” is better than the “old testament”. Thanks for your views, Brit.

Really, someone who call themself “allah….” should be careful about giving opinions on the validity of religions. Besides the fact that only Christian believe that G_d wrote/insprired something you call the “new testament” And of course, you Christians are very misguided, but there is hope for you. One when Moshiach comes you can grab on to my shirt and I will assist you going to Heaven..provided of course you renounce your idolotry and heathenism

georgealbert on January 13, 2010 at 5:47 PM

When this came in the wire, I am certain Allah was pissing his Underoos to paint all people of superstition faith with the broad brush of mindless hate.

Ah! I was wondering exacly how they armed the panty-bomber and now I know: trinitro Allah-urine.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 5:47 PM

New Orleans is an American example of the mixture of voodoo and catholicism. In Haiti, it’s far more serious.

TTheoLogan on January 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Subtle. TT, subtle. But not subtle enough. You gotta try harder.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM

There is no context prior to his comments, but its seems to me like simply an ill-informed sidenote about Haiti’s misery in general, rather than a comment about this specific earthquake. If Haiti had indeed made a pact with Satan, then of course Satan would rule there and the place would be miserable.

This post by AP seems like cheap Robertson bashing.

pedestrian on January 13, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Pat’s been old and nuts for a long time. What’s Harry’s excuse?

Rational Thought on January 13, 2010 at 5:49 PM

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maverick muse on January 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM

As to the Haitian people making a pact with the devil…

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Did they? Not even the legend goes that far.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM

I meant for the women giving birth.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I know. I was just messing with you.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Shepherd Lover on January 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if anyone on this thread ever read the Bible.

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 5:52 PM

The Archbishop of Haiti was killed.

Plenty of Santaria devotees lived.

What’s that mean?

Akzed on January 13, 2010 at 4:45 PM

That the Archbishop was in a properly built building, but obviously not eartquake resistent.

TQM38a on January 13, 2010 at 5:53 PM

I know. I was just messing with you.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Ah, I must be dense or in need of some dinner. :-)

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 5:53 PM

I thought the fury of hell unleashed against the Haitians consisted of the ton ton macoute, the chimières lavalas and Bertrand Aristide’s necklacing committees…all brought to you by the US State Department.

Jewel on January 13, 2010 at 5:54 PM

HondaV65 on January 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I agree. Monetary support should only go so far. It’s the same as entitlements. Haiti needs to use the money to benefit their nation, and learn to be prosperous, not dependent. Unfortunately though, to many governments are perfectly happy taking aid, and enriching themselves while keeping the lowly, lowly.

The same thing is happening here, right before our eyes.

capejasmine on January 13, 2010 at 5:54 PM

So let me get this right – if I, as a Christian were to point out that the major contributing factor to America’s recent finanicial troubles was the Fed providing artificially cheap money which created excessive consumption, speculative bubbles & eventually a huge collapse, there are many here who would call me unchristian for stating this glaringly obvious fact?

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM

No. You wouldn’t be called unchristian. But if you said that America’s recent financial troubles were due to “the gays and the lesbians” then you would be an idiot like Robertson.

If you said that Haiti’s poor building standards led to a high death rate during the earthquake you wouldn’t be called unchristian. But if you explained the recent earthquake as part of God’s wrath against the Haitian people for making a pact with the devil on August 14, 1791 then you would be an idiot like Robertson.

“I don’t think Robertson and Falwell will ever again be regarded by most Americans with anything other than the deepest contempt.” -Michael Kelly, September 20, 2001.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM

As a gay Jew, I just want to say that Pat Robertson is often on target in his political beliefs. I would be glad to have him as my extremely smart, extremely well-read crazy uncle. We all know someone with a cool, but crazy, uncle you have to tune out him out when his pet lunacies come up.

thuja on January 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM

I thought the fury of hell unleashed against the Haitians consisted of the ton ton macoute, the chimières lavalas and Bertrand Aristide’s necklacing committees…all brought to you by the US State Department.

Jewel on January 13, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Yes, we are the Satan! /sarc

thuja on January 13, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if anyone on this thread ever read the Bible.

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 5:52 PM

I’m at a complete loss as to how what he said related at all to Scripture. If you want Scripture, go to the first page:

Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Basil Fawlty on January 13, 2010 at 4:26 PM

There’s Scripture — the kind that says that your judgment will not happen on this earth. If you think that what Mr. Robertson said is correct, then what happened to the Six Million is also good and correct, because they denied Christ….

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:59 PM

If you said that Haiti’s poor building standards led to a high death rate during the earthquake you wouldn’t be called unchristian. But if you explained the recent earthquake as part of God’s wrath against the Haitian people for making a pact with the devil on August 14, 1791 then you would be an idiot like Robertson.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Robertson explained the disaster as simple cause and effect, not as the wrath of God.

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

If Haiti had indeed made a pact with Satan, then of course Satan would rule there and the place would be miserable.

pedestrian on January 13, 2010 at 5:49 PM

When you make a pact with Satan isn’t it for earthly desires in exchange for your everlasting soul? If Haiti has got a pact going with the devil, it should be a earthly paradise with a nasty comeuppance after death, right?

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Liam1304 on January 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Ah yes. An important distinction. That makes his statement much less idiotic.

/s

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Building standards are atrocious in Haiti. Those in power have always oppressed their people. The Haitian side of the island is deforested by locals making charcoal too sell for food. Poppa and Baby live in infamy among people of conscience. Most of the people engage in demonic worship via voo doo.

Two things I’ve learned in life (and I believe is Biblical) are that people are either lifted up or debased by their government, and people get the government they deserve. I won’t argue the point but I think it’s true nonetheless.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I’ll post the link to Nazarene Compassionate Ministries for those who would like to help out the needy in Haiti . My wife and I were discussing the tragedy over supper. NCM will join forces with other help organizations such as World Vision to combine resources and work off of one another’s strengths. The Nazarene Denomination has people on the ground in many countries, many of them nationals. This is what makes them so efficient, especially in disasters like this. One program that NCM has right now in Haiti is a clean water program. They will install wells or cisterns so that communities have fresh drinking water. Our church took up an offering at Christmas for this project. With this terrible earthquake, fresh water is one thing that will probably be in short supply.
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Sorry if I’m a pest with this (posted it in Ed’s thread about Haiti), but it’s important to me to help people. Thanks to Michelle for giving me a forum to promote this organization.

CBP on January 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Yes. Jesus said: You’re worried about buildings falling on your heads? Repent or you will perish as well. It’s sad that this happened to Haiti. I will send money, and I wish I could go to help. But a sparrow doesn’t fall outside of the attention of God. Justice, reward and punishment will one day be brought to fulfillment by God. In the mean time, give aid to the widows, orphans and aliens in their distress, bind up the wounded, and pray for the repentance of the Haitians.

flicker on January 13, 2010 at 6:17 PM

He’s still alive? I thought he was dead. Must have been that other tele vangie guy.

Allahpundit can be fiendish sometimes too.

I’ve been laughing at Pat Robertson for decades now anticipating an eclipse. If you know what I mean? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

Americannodash on January 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM

When you make a pact with Satan isn’t it for earthly desires in exchange for your everlasting soul? If Haiti has got a pact going with the devil, it should be a earthly paradise with a nasty comeuppance after death, right?

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM

I’m no authority, but it seems like the serpent and apple in the Garden of Eden was a desire to have knowledge like a god, even though they already were in a paradise.

Looking over the wiki on Voodoo, is seems very misrepresented in popular culture. The idea of one main god that is unapproachable plus other gods that you pray to does not seem that very different from praying to dead saints. In voodoo, the main god does not interfere in human affairs. That’s what Einstein thought also.

So I don’t see any evidence of a pact with Satan. That’s Robertson’s belief and so it’s his right.

pedestrian on January 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM

If you think that what Mr. Robertson said is correct, then what happened to the Six Million is also good and correct, because they denied Christ….

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 5:59 PM

That is a ridiculous comment, I didn’t say any of it was “good”. God has brought down judgment on nations & peoples throughout the centuries for turning away from Him & there is plenty of scripture to back that up. I don’t know if He did that in Haiti but I can tell you for sure He does not look kindly on idol-worship or devil-worship. How a Christian could ever dispute that is beyond me.

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Next time the Haitians set up a GoToMeeting with the devil they should be more clear with their contractual demands, perhaps including a no natural disaster clause in exchange for everlasting souls.

Perhaps Pat could look into Mexican dealings with the devil on May 5, 1862! That too was an unlikely victory over the French.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM

The part where Robertson says, ” and the Devil said, ‘Okay we have a deal’” was funny.

He’s definitely a kook.

Urban Infidel on January 13, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Pat is an embarrassment to most all Christian’s…he is just warped in his thinking…
As someone pointed out, a pact with Satan would not have brought this on…God punishes innocent people for the faults of others?
Or did God just choose the ones to punish, and He has them buried, so the ones who survived are His “chosen” ones?
The theology is so messed up, it is foolish…I would more apt say that Pat has been corrupted by Satan, he is doing more good for him then for God.

right2bright on January 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM

“We will serve you….true story”.
Now how does he know that is a “true story”…that the French and Haiti got together and talked to Satan…true story.
The other classic, why the Dominican Republic has beautiful hotels, it is prosperous, therefore God has blessed them?
Try this
This

SANTO DOMINGO.- A network that produced child pornography in Boca Chica (south) sold the material to businesses in the United States, Europe and Brazil, newspaper El Nacional reports.

Yeah Pat, a perfect paradise…maybe better then Haiti, but hardly a “blessed” nation….

right2bright on January 13, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Pat is certainly a theological trainwreck. He believes himself to be prophetic and this has been going on for DECADES.

However, I have friends who have lived and worked in Haiti and there certainly are some fantastic Christian people there, but, the predominant religion is a blend of Catholic/voodoo and animist religion. Their is unquestionable spiritual activity which the residents treat as commonplace. Yes there was, supposedly, a pact made (according to residents and my friends)made.

This wouldn’t incur the judgment of God any more than any thing you and I might do on any given day, according to essential church doctrine. So, Pat is…well…he needs to shut it.

Diane on January 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM

WOW!
That Robertson sure is a nut!
Haiti isn’t the Earth’s sphincter because of some cockamamie deal with the Devil!
All of Haiti’s ills can be traced to one culprit……Greedy White people!
It’s true. Barack Obama’s spiritual mentor Reverend Wright said so. And Obama was reduced to tears when he found out and became a member of Trinity United church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLX3aRNaNk

OxyCon on January 13, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Next time the Haitians set up a GoToMeeting with the devil they should be more clear with their contractual demands, perhaps including a no natural disaster clause in exchange for everlasting souls.

July 10 on January 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Contract drafting is always the problem when dealing with the devil (or visiting Mr. Rourke and Tattoo on Fantasy Island). People don’t have their lawyers look at the deal before signing.

dedalus on January 13, 2010 at 7:41 PM

All one needs know bout “religion; xcept for the ridiculous muslims and their cartoon-phobia!!!

jgdp on January 13, 2010 at 8:09 PM

OxyCon on January 13, 2010 at 7:25 PM

OK, I’m not going to watch. I’m going to guess.

************

San Francisco, a white city, is hit with a magnitude 7 earthquake. It survives.

Port Au Prince, a black city, is hit with a magnitude 7 earthquake. It is devastated.

The highrises in San Francisco were designed and built by white contractors.

The highrises in Port Au Prince were designed and built by white contractors.

When they build them for the white people, they stay up; when they build them for the black people, they fall down.

notropis on January 13, 2010 at 8:23 PM

If you’re wondering what the “pact with the devil” is all about (fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian), Tapper has some quickie background.

Actually, they’re not Christian if they’re practicing the occult, Allah. Both the Old and New Testaments condemn witchcraft–seeking spiritual power for yourself instead of relying on God–in the strongest possible terms (Deut. 18: 9-14; Rev. 22: 15).
Check your facts before you “fact check.” Haiti is steeped in occultic syncretism, the blending of Catholocism with West African animism. The trappings of the Church are present, but the religion is distinct from Christianity.
Most Christian theologians would not say God caused the earthquake as direct punishment, but few would deny that a society drowning in Voodoo and sorcery is lost in spiritual darkness. They are poverty stricken and tormented. Their buildings collapsed due to their backwardness, and thousands died. If they turned to Jesus and rejected the occult, I believe He would come and heal their land.
Earthquakes can happen anywhere–”the Lord makes His rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous”–but the general state of a society, one of misery or prosperity, is influenced by the morality of that society.

David Mickelson on January 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM

When they build them for the white people, they stay up; when they build them for the black people, they fall down.

notropis on January 13, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Had the so-called “San Franciso Earthquake” of which you speak happened 10 miles away from San Francisco as happened in Port Au Prince, I’m sure many more buildings would have fallen.

As it was, the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake which knocked all those bridges down in SF was a 6.9 trembler, 1/10th the power of the one which hit Haiti, and was about 40 miles further away than the quake which hit Port Au Prince.

In addition, buildings are built to local building codes, and all the buildings I’ve seen in the Port Au Prince photos are unreinforced concrete — apparently standard construction in Haiti, where re-bar would probably double the cost of construction.

You can try to make this a race thing, but it makes you look like a doofus.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM

I made a deal with Satan that Robertson stop making Christians look bad. Obviously Satan broke it.

Speedwagon82 on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM

I mean really! What a bastard.

ronsfi on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM

David Mickelson on January 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM

This guy must be a Pentecostal.

GW_SS-Delta on January 13, 2010 at 8:57 PM

That is a ridiculous comment, I didn’t say any of it was “good”. God has brought down judgment on nations & peoples throughout the centuries for turning away from Him & there is plenty of scripture to back that up. I don’t know if He did that in Haiti but I can tell you for sure He does not look kindly on idol-worship or devil-worship. How a Christian could ever dispute that is beyond me.

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM

You call my comment ridiculous, and then you go put my foot in your mouth. Amazing.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Haitian people need water, food, medicine, love and to hear the gospel of Christ. That is what they need. The “he said–she said” crap like the harry reid comments are ok in their own context, but in this context, it’s a disaster, it’s a tragedy and these people need help. Let’s put our effort towards those aims.

There are ship to shore cranes in the main port city that have collapsed. Container ships that need to offload supplies cannot do so without that equipment. I pray that we send supplies and technicians to repair that equipment so that we can begin offloading needed help to Haiti.

ted c on January 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM

I didn’t say any of it was “good”.

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM

And that’s blasphemy, by the way. Anything God does is good. If you think God brings pestulance and suffering upon sinful people, then said pestulance and suffering must by its very origin be good, because it has a purpose in line with God’s will.

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I personally find it hard to believe that someone would sell their soul to the devil in exchange for a military victory over the French.

freiherr on January 13, 2010 at 9:05 PM

FrontPageMagazine has an article about this subject from 2004.

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=14079

Haiti: Victim of Clinton’s Old Black Magic By: Lowell Ponte
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, February 20, 2004

In our Postmodern, Deconstructionist world, there is an “alternative reading” or “subtext” to the conventional news coming out of Haiti. So that you, too, can see it, let me tell you a story. We report. You decide.

Columbus in 1492 was the first European to land on the island its native cannibalistic Arawak Indians called “Hayti” (“mountainous land”). He would rename it “Hispaniola” (“Little Spain”).

In 1697 Spain ceded the western portion of the island, the part called Haiti, to France. Spain kept the eastern half, Saint-Domingue, today the Dominican Republic. After the Arawak were exterminated, both Spaniards and French imported African slaves accustomed to tropical heat and sunshine.

By 1780 the French colony of Haiti with its rich crops of cocoa, sugar cane, cotton and coffee, had become one of the wealthiest places on Earth. This wealth derived from the labor of 500,000 slaves exploited and held down by only 26,000 white French plantation settlers and 30,000 affranchis of mixed ancestry. This disparity of power and numbers would soon end in a bloodbath.

Some of these slaves escaped to the mountains and created their own community. One was a legendary figure named Boukman, almost certainly an African, certainly a houngan (“witch doctor”) of enormous size, strength and charisma.

In Haiti’s capital Port-au-Prince today you can see an iron pig statue. It commemorates the ritual of the African religion Americans today call Voodoo conducted by Boukman on August 14, 1791.

A pig on that day was ritually killed. The escaped slaves joined in drinking its still-warm blood as part of a pact. Boukman led his followers in vowing that they and their children would serve the pagan gods of the island, including the devil, for exactly 200 years in exchange for freedom from the French.

Seven days later the slaves of Haiti rose in rebellion, soaking Haiti in the blood of the French overseers and plantation owners who had enslaved them.

On January 1, 1804 – exactly 200 years ago – a beaten France acknowledged the independence of Haiti. This, as you soon shall see, is a key fact in our story.

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM

He’s a loathsome little man. I don’t even have to listen to know that.

elclynn on January 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM

I hope Pat fails.

ConservativeTony on January 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM

unclesmrgol on January 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Selah, Brother

kg598301 on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Mr Purple on January 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM

The Pact then is no longer valid. 200 years has passed since they swore allegiance and the pact with the Pagan Gods lasted 200 years.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

I know why AP posted this. Everyone is in agreement, Pat Robertson is the Devil.

Holger on January 13, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I can’t stand the guy. And I say this as someone who doesn’t throw his fellow christians under the bus just because they believe in a young earth (I’m undecided myself). Pat Robertson needs the STFU.

DethMetalCookieMonst on January 13, 2010 at 9:23 PM

But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians atheists, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years millions of barfing up stuff like this people.

Are you sure you want to play that game, AP;-)

DethMetalCookieMonst on January 13, 2010 at 9:26 PM

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