Google’s ultimatum to China: Either we run uncensored or we walk
posted at 8:47 pm on January 13, 2010 by Allahpundit
If you thought the Leno/Conan/NBC fiasco was the most interesting set of contract negotiations happening in the world, think again.
China will be forced to decide on unfettered web access for 300 million people in a censorship clash that threatens to redraw the boundaries of the internet.
Google, the world’s biggest search company, was in talks with the Chinese Government last night after saying that it would abandon operations in the country unless state authorities left it free to operate without censorship. Its demand to be allowed to operate its Google.cn search engine free from censorship came after what it described as a “highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China”.
Further investigation revealed that attempts had been made to access the Google mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. It said that at least 20 other companies were also targeted…
After the company presented its ultimatum, some users claimed that previously-banned photographs were available on the site, including one of a protester holding the image of a man standing in front of a tank during the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. Google insisted that it had yet to lift the filters that Chinese law requires it to install.
To its credit, the White House is backing Google publicly, although the cognitive dissonance between Google’s ultimatum to China and The One’s continued outreach to Iran is odd. China’s actually a small market for the company — just $350 million, according to the Times — so they can afford to walk away, which is what I assume is going to happen. China can afford to let them go, too: Baidu, not Google, is the country’s most popular search engine and will pick up the slack. It’s important politically, though, for the precedent it sets. Given all the pats on the back Google’s going to get for throwing down the gauntlet (after getting its hands good and dirty with Chinese censors for years, natch), which tech company is going to want the PR of replacing it because its own standards of censorship are lower? At the very least, the cost of doing business with U.S. search engines just got much higher for China.
Note the cause of Google’s pique here too — a hack attack aimed at digging up private information about human rights activists. If you read nothing else on the site today, read this harrowing Daily Beast piece about an FBI report on China’s gigantic army of extremely sophisticated cyberspies who routinely target the most sensitive data systems in America. Sample quote: “There is no telling how many breaches there are that we haven’t yet picked up.” I wonder if the Google hack attack was something new, something old that they simply finally tired of, or something old that they hadn’t realized until now has been going on all along.
Update: Also interesting, and encouraging: “Within minutes of the announcement, mainland users were calling up page listings on Tibet, Falun Gong and the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre that had been hidden for the last three years.”
Update: A timely reminder from the Onion that it’s not only the ChiComs who see and hear all.
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I didn’t think they had it in them! Whoa!
newton on January 13, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Google can kiss my ass. After that “bug” that censors Islam results, I just can’t get myself worked up on Google’s behalf.
Are the Chicoms evil? Yes. But so is Google.
uknowmorethanme on January 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM
results = suggestions
Gotta make sure I have it right.
uknowmorethanme on January 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM
How bourgeois of Google… evil corporate pigs demanding they have unfettered access to people’s information without government oversight…
(Now where’s that sarcasm char…)
Skywise on January 13, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Complaining about gMail accounts being hacked is kind of funny from a company whose CEO basically said there’s no right to privacy on the internet.
BadgerHawk on January 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Congrats…now apologize for being Communist suckups.
Asher on January 13, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Tough choice Google, sounds like damned if you do and damned if you don’t to me.
donh525 on January 13, 2010 at 9:07 PM
My sole email addy has been @gmail since Gmail first fired up (remember when you could only sign up if you had an invite? How exclusive!!)… I should really just use my ISPs email & Outlook Express. I have gigs of attachments on Gmail, so that sucks.
Ugly on January 13, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Gee, I wonder who will win.
SouthernGent on January 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM
It looks like Google is simply trying to save face and trying to wash away some of their past transgressions. I highly doubt China will cave to their commands given they already have Baidu.
MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Really? China will never agree to Google running free! Google will agree to some small concession because the oh so altruistic heads of Google will still go for the $$$$$$$$.
bluemarlin on January 13, 2010 at 9:09 PM
What a joke…. they want to run “uncensored”… or at Google’s interpretation of what they understand “uncensored” to be. Google is already censoring their content of Conservative information….
CynicalOptimist on January 13, 2010 at 9:10 PM
I have gigs of attachments on Gmail, so that sucks.
Ugly on January 13, 2010 at 9:07 PM
I’d move that info. I started switching to other search engines after I heard Schmidt say that, even though google is far superior to anything else out there.
BadgerHawk on January 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM
China to Google:
*We use Bing*
step off.
ted c on January 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM
China to Google: *Look around your city at all our sh!t”
pwned
ted c on January 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM
So what?
Google’s talking ‘tough’ because their own bottom line is threatened, not out of some true interest in Human rights. If they were so interested in protecting peoples’ rights, they wouldn’t be doing business with the Chi-Coms, in the first damned place. Isn’t Al Gore one of the guys running Google’s show? Yeah, great champion of freedom he is.
Virus-X on January 13, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Hmmmm.
Color me unimpressed.
They KNEW they were dancing with the devil.
They served up a bunch of Chinese HR activists to get this gig in the first place.
And . . . their treatment of any of YOUR ‘user-data’ is NO DIFFERENT than how the ChiComs treat their proles.
While ‘pros’, and the uninformed, may use google, there is an ‘unofficial’ boycott of google [and it's Chrome browser] by the Right, and the Left who AREN’T hypocrites concerning human rights and ‘privacy’.
FU<K GOOGLE!
I wouldn’t trust them for 5 picoseconds with any of my personal data, nor use ANY of their ‘free’ apps.
It’s going to take a LOT more than this to earn my trust.
google is teh eVIL.
CPT. Charles on January 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Terrific,Google is gonna start a war with China!!
So,this could be a teachable moment,and that is,
Liberals love to start arguments,fights and wars,
and then let everybody else fight it!!
canopfor on January 13, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Yahoo! Ba da bing!
Americannodash on January 13, 2010 at 9:29 PM
So Google thinks it’s big enough to dictate to a sovereign nation? There’s a thought.
Skandia Recluse on January 13, 2010 at 9:35 PM
I avoid Google whenever possible. They are chronic abusers of “net neutrality”, and seem to have difficulty missing opportunities as information controller/portal, to crap on anything that suggests U.S. patriotism, libertarianism, or anything but left-of-center politics.
Their complaint about China’s censorship is akin to complaining about fleas from sleeping with dogs. (they have sucked up to every dictator/communist dog in the world, why worry now?).
trl on January 13, 2010 at 9:35 PM
How the heck do you move info from Google? Not being facetious…
Ugly on January 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM
C’mon CPT. Charles what do you really think?
I really hope they have the sand to go through with the threat, and I wish our government and people understood the deal(s) we’ve cut with the Chi-coms. As long as the oligarchy keeps buying Treasuries and selling us cheap crap this administration (as did the last 4) will continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of the human rights activists.
motionview on January 13, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Ugly on January 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM
-Yeah, I suppose once the information’s there it’s not going anywhere, even if you make copies of it elsewhere. I suppose all you can do is stop adding new stuff. Someone with more technical knowledge may know of a way to scrub anything you have stored with google.
BadgerHawk on January 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Google is full of cxxp.
They’re all a bunch of Democrats that will eventually give the commies what they want. Grandstanding phonies!
patch on January 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM
bing.com
lanesmerge on January 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Let’s not jump to conclusions /s
Caper29 on January 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Walk away Google…
… just walk away.
Seven Percent Solution on January 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM
My thoughts exactly. Anyone who bothers to do any serious research on Google’s history of cooperation with the Chinese government will see that their credibility on this subject is zip.
This is nothing more than a bunch of hypocritical posturing for PR because the Almighty Profit is in danger, and they’re gambling on the entire world having an American memory span.
Get bent, Google. You corporatist crooks shook hands with the Communists on multiple occasions, and now you’re acting all high and mighty when they finally get around to doing the heavy-handed bit on you.
Dark-Star on January 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM
What does Google want, a pat on the back and a cookie?
They got into bed with China in the first place. They chose to willingly censor information for the Communist Chinese government.
I think it’s the RIGHT decision for them to finally tell the Chinese to uncensor info or go fuck themselves, but I’m not going to commend Google for wising up all of a sudden.
Vyce on January 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Blah blah blah, plux tax.
Screw Google.
greggriffith on January 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Buy a domain name, get some cheap hosting (or make friends with somebody who can hook you up) and set up your own email system (openbsd is excellent for simple mail, ftp, ssh, http stuff (nfs & routing too)).
Or learn enough german to use GMX. They’re pretty good.
fronclynne on January 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Suggestions, not results.
Darth Executor on January 13, 2010 at 11:24 PM
So here’s my conspiracy theory:
Al Gore is a big owner of Google stock.
China just sort of crapped all over Al Gore’s Copenhagen get-together.
This is payback.
notropis on January 13, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Oh Google, the company that openly stated that no one should be allowed to have privacy if they use the internet, the company that put out a browser that they purposely put in backdoors so hackers and the good service can steal and store credit card numbers and the company that is so “Green” that when emissions restrictions started hurting their bottom line they moved their serves to Lithuania.
Why the government spent its time on behalf of a private company is beyond me, oh wait its because they shoveled money into Obama’s pockets and have Al Gore as a shareholder.
Shouldn’t the state dept. be getting back our kidnapped children, dealing with world leaders about real threats and now giving a hand to Hati, not helping Google generate more page views.
Rbastid on January 13, 2010 at 11:55 PM
I think google.com was always uncomfortable doing “business” with China. What makes google.com asses is that they did business anyway, knowing full well what sorts of evil China was up to.
fronclynne on January 13, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Here’s the solution to all things Google:
http://www.scroogle.org/
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 14, 2010 at 12:49 AM
Google can pretty much eat it as far as I’m concerned….
China to Google: All yer technology belong to us…wanna do something about it???
BigWyo on January 14, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Google concerned about privacy… Is it April 1st already?
Amendment X on January 14, 2010 at 1:00 AM
I guess China has decided to spy and steal its way out of poverty. Too bad… I thought such an ancient culture would have a sense of honor… I guess I was wrong.
China has no honor. And with no honor, they have no “face” left to save.
Its time to sever China from the rest of the internet. Leave only a few twisted pairs of copper wire, and disconnect everything else.
stevieray on January 14, 2010 at 1:46 AM
As did Yahoo to a MUCH larger extent, as did microsoft with their bing search engine, etc.
thphilli on January 14, 2010 at 2:22 AM
To all of those who chide google and refuse to use them because they “gave in” to the communist Chinese, I assume you are all running linux on your computers and not an operating system of Microsoft, who has absolutely censored at least as much on MULTIPLE search engines in China or an operating system of Apple who censors their Iphone apps in China?
thphilli on January 14, 2010 at 2:25 AM
Already have a domain & site I am doing nothing with. So that’s the way to go,eh?
Ugly on January 14, 2010 at 2:56 AM
Lots of hypocrisy floating around in the cyberworld regarding censorship.
albill on January 14, 2010 at 6:23 AM
The problem with getting all bent out of shape over Google censoring is that EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT TOO.
As much as I hate to say it there really aren’t any fully uncensored major search engines out there. Yahoo does it, Bing does it, Ask does it. I can’t speak for all the little players, but the big four all censor in any way that their host country demands they do.
While Google certainly shouldn’t have censored in the first place, as the leader in worldwide search they are setting a precedent by refusing to censor any longer in the single largest emerging world market. Regardless of the real reasons behind it, it IS a good thing, and we should cheer it, even if in a reserved manner.
And for those of you boycotting Google, you are only hurting yourselves. They make excellent products, and they make most of them available for free. Besides, If you demand ideological purity from your IT supplier you might as well drag out the Remington typewriter and the Victrola because you won’t find it ANYWHERE in 21st century IT. It sucks, but it’s true.
wearyman on January 14, 2010 at 8:04 AM
Blah blah. Congrats to Google for this, but don’t make the mistake that it’s because they’ve seen the light. I think it’s because they figured the PR difficulties aren’t worth the revenue.
If China were a huge business for them then I doubt they’d find principle on the matter.
JohnTant on January 14, 2010 at 9:05 AM
Google may just be like other people….it’s fine to do it to OTHER people (like taxes) but when you knock on MY door, well, it’s on like Donkey Kong.
I am still puzzled at this, but am not a huge Google fan. I like China even less.
search4truth on January 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM
Also, anyone else remember China’s promise to free and unfettered internet access during the Olympics? Suddenly, the media arrives and were shocked, SHOCKED(!) to find that China broke that promise.
China is hardly the beacon of good and if you choose to do business with them, you better enter with eyes wide open. No intellectual property protection, no free speech and government ownership of mostly everything important. Or as we like to call it: Obama’s dream.
search4truth on January 14, 2010 at 9:12 AM
I might not trust Google, but I really don’t trust Microsoft. They already know too much about me as it is.
unclesmrgol on January 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM
I believe that “unfettered” is an overstatement. Google doesn’t provide Internet access for China, just search results. It’s the results that would be uncensored, the Chinese government will continue to block whatever web traffic it chooses to.
29Victor on January 14, 2010 at 11:23 AM
“DoD should therefore not consider Gmail as a viable option because it cannot be trusted. Only a secure DoD Private Cloud, isolated from the Internet, can be seen as an acceptable option.”
Govt. Gmail use following Chinese attack
albill on January 14, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Let’s rephrase that given what we all know about Googles own censoerdhip agenda……
Google’s ultimatum to China: Either we run uncensored left wing propaganda or we walk
Example….google this……. islam is
TrickyDick on January 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Google is one of the biggest supporters of net neutrality and in the corporate world is the single largest backer of it. Their business relies on it (why would they want to have to pay off everyone’s ISP so they can view YouTube?).
jonknee on January 14, 2010 at 2:05 PM
OK… There are 99,000,000 hits (twice the figure for christianity is).
http://www.google.com/search?q=islam+is
Many of the top results are discussing what I think you meant–that the Google Suggestion feature isn’t returning results for islam is. So much for censorship.
Google Suggestions is still in progress and doesn’t work for all queries. Try inputting “christians are” and you’ll see the same lack of results. Ditto for “atheists are”. While it may not seem obvious to you, there is certainly a reason for this beyond a lefty conspiracy.
jonknee on January 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM