they may be afraid that if you say loudly the Left is going to give 60% of Americans subsidies for their h/c it will improve the polls…yes, it has come to that.

maybe as a country we are already “there”. Affordable housing, affordable medicine…what’s the diff

maybe, we have already been socialized….yes, it has taken us longer than most countries, much to the disdain of our aristocracy

They won’t.

You want to throw him under the bus, I’ll gladly throw you under as well.

BuckeyeSam on January 13, 2010 at 1:58 PM

I like Duffy–he has a shot, but there is a real entitlement mentality up here which Obey appeals to. The libertarian/independent streak is more of a NE/SW Wisconsin thing. The mindset in North Central Wisconsin? The more handouts from Madison and DC, the better.

Hopefully Ryan someday either (A) becomes speaker of the house, (B) house majority leader, or (C) governor of WI for I think he would be an interesting candidate for President someday.

WashJeff on January 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM

I’ll take doors A or B – we’ve got another very good young gun (Scott Walker) and an aging veteran of the 1994 House revolution (Mark Neumann) running for governor.

Because it is not like the government (owner) will ever kick you (renter) out of your house if you fail to pay ‘property tax’ (rent) every year. I’m so glad that in avoiding one kind of serfdom we are willing to accept another kind.

AnotherOpinion on January 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

You can avoid that “serfdom” if property taxes did not exists by purchasing your own property. Once paid for, without property taxes, you could never be kicked off (at least before Kelo).

No link. I was agreeing with your post. Ryan’s one of the few politicians who can speak intelligently about the economy.

BadgerHawk on January 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

May he be your Gov some day and kick butt for a couple terms. Ryan did not even stumble over his own tongue for the entire interview, quite impressive. The content, obviously, was very good.

jukin on January 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I see you’re smoking an extra fine brand of banana peels today.

Were you going to do a link? Pony up!

WashJeff on January 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM

No link. I was agreeing with your post. Ryan’s one of the few politicians who can speak intelligently about the economy.

AnotherOpinion on January 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

A nasty burden.
I realize that our property taxes are much lower for owning thousands of acres than many people who own homes in a city.
But $6,000 +/yr is hard on us in the agriculture business.
Many times we are a year or two behind.
I see that as serfdom, too.
But it isn’t the feds that take your property if you don’t pay prop. tax-it’s the city or county or state from what I understand.

A good reason to consider property & tax requirements for voting purposes.

Badger40 on January 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Because it is not like the government (owner) will ever kick you (renter) out of your house if you fail to pay ‘property tax’ (rent) every year. I’m so glad that in avoiding one kind of serfdom we are willing to accept another kind.

This.

BadgerHawk on January 13, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Were you going to do a link? Pony up!

Hopefully Ryan someday either (A) becomes speaker of the house, (B) house majority leader, or (C) governor of WI for I think he would be an interesting candidate for President someday.

WashJeff on January 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM

This.

Ryan asserts that the real ambition behind ObamaCare is not to improve health care or lower its costs, but to make Americans a dependent class and radically change the relationship between a free people and the government that is supposed to serve them

Brilliant. I learned this 20 years ago in Leftism 101 (vocational version). I want to know why conservatives, who are supposed to be the most educated of us all about the Left, haven’t internalized this elementary truth and aren’t evangelizing it. I don’t hear it anywhere.

TOTAL BS.

Everyone knows that the republicans have never put forth several plans on hell-care and the stimulus.

jukin on January 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Jukin, did you forget the sarc tag, or are you self medicating today?

Earlier today, Ed Morrissey spoke with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) about ObamaCare and efforts on the Hill to find enough votes to push it out of Congress. In his piece at Hot Air, Ed notes that Ryan wrote a separate health-care reform bill that was suppress…