ALA pulls out of Tea Party Nation convention
posted at 2:12 pm on January 13, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
The controversial Tea Party Nation Convention in Tennessee has found itself in controversy over its media policy and its prices. Now the controversy has deepened over its financial processes and handling of money — and it has lost one of its co-sponsors as a result. The grassroots organization American Liberty Alliance withdrew from the event, citing concerns over transparency in the handling of donations, as AC Kleinheider reports for the Nashville Post:
The former webmaster of Tea Party Nation, the group sponsoring next month’s National Tea Party convention at Opryland, has written a “whistleblower’s” account of his experience working with the group while it was in its embryonic stages. And what he reveals apparently has led a key tea party leader to remove his group from the sponsor list.
In a post on his personal blog, In Media Res, Kevin Smith, an owner of the web design company HearSAY, writes that Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips took advantage of his volunteer computer experience in the creation of Tea Party Nation’s web architecture and profited from the enterprise.
Smith writes that his “zeal for the movement” meant he delivered Phillips’ web services at a heavily discounted rate at the expense of his own business. He believed that he was working for an nonprofit effort that would only supply founder Phillips with a little extra income to replace income he was losing while working for the movement instead of practicing law, he writes.
Smith reports being shocked when Phillips filed to create Tea Party Nation as a for-profit corporation. Disgusted with Phillips’ decision to continue taking donations for the for-profit company, Smith ultimately resigned.
Others appear to be taking umbrage as well. Eric Odom, the leader of key tea party group American Liberty Alliance, has posted a letter on his site announcing that his group will not be participating in the event as announced based on how the Tea Party Nation group operates.
Well, I’m not sure that a for-profit model is inappropriate for a movement that seeks to endorse free-market principles. After all, plenty of people have profited on the margins at least, with T-shirt and bumper-sticker sales. In order to get big names to appear at conventions, money has to get raised — and the profit motive would encourage more of such organizing efforts. However, regardless of whether one uses a profit or non-profit model, donations cannot be commingled with personal funds, and some independent oversight has to exist to make sure that the effort doesn’t exploit the attendees or contributors for hidden purposes.
These problems could just be part of a painful learning curve, and not any nefarious behavior, as Eric Odom and I discuss in an exclusive interview on the subject of ALA’s withdrawal. Odom wanted to emphasize that ALA’s decision was based on member input about concerns regarding the process, and not any conclusion about motivations of the organizers themselves:
Obviously, there seems to be a lot of room for improvement here, including how the organizers have handled the media access to the event. (Full disclosure: I received a very kind and professional invitation to cover the event, but my schedule wouldn’t allow it.) I’m with Eric in noting that conservatives need this kind of organizing impulse from the grassroots, and that profit models should be encouraged (as well as non-profit). I doubt that TPN was going to make a windfall in any case, and they’d be fortunate to break even. But they need to make sure that they have full transparency on all financial transactions, full separation from personal finances of its organizers, and more independent oversight.
Hopefully, this will be a learning experience for everyone.
Update: I should have hat-tipped Dave Weigel, who first let me know about the withdrawal.
Update II: In an e-mail to me, Judson Phillips says the assumptions of the Kleinheider article are false; he will have a statement later. He also makes the fair point that I should have asked him for his side of the story — and he’s right.
Update III: Judson says he will have a full statement later tonight, which I will immediately add to the post. In the meantime, though, AC Kleinheider sent me this response:
I contacted Mr. Phillips shortly after Kevin Smith’s post went live for comment. He told me repeatedly via email he would call. He never did. When other media outlets started picking up on the story I went with what I had. He had his opportunity to tell his side and still does. Mr. Phillips has both my email and cell phone number.
Sounds like AC did the due diligence. But I should have afforded Judson at least that opportunity as well, so Judson’s point regarding my post is still well taken.
Update IV: Judson released the following statement late on Wednesday evening, and I’m publishing it in full:
January 14, 2010
Tea Party Nation would like to announce the following efforts and status of the Nationwide TEA Party Convention:
Media
First, we are pleased to announce that the convention has sold out and we now have a waiting list which we will continue to try to clear as opportunity presents.
In this light, we have had numerous requests for press passes and the resulting expected coverage. However, as we have set expectations that this is a working convention, we have tried not to make it a media event.
In fact, Tea Party Nation has received hundreds of requests for press credentials to cover this convention. Everyone from a small town newspaper in Iowa to Fox News has asked for press credentials. We have had requests from Canada, England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Norway, Croatia and Japan. We have been hard pressed to accommodate all of these requests and do not have the space or resources to support the entirety of the press corp. Indeed, we have asked the hotel if they would be willing to provide a press room during the convention.
However, given these practical limitations, we have approved the following press organizations:
Fox News
Breitbart.com
Townhall.com
The Wall Street Journal
World Net DailyAbout Tea Party Nation:
Tea Party Nation is a C-Corp. We do not focus on donations, and provide a service and network for like-minded conservatives and TEA Party leadership. TEA Party Nation is operated entirely by volunteers. Tea Party Nation has an Advisory Board made up of nine (9) individuals who have been with Tea Party Nation since its formation. This Advisory Board is instrumental in greeting new members, moderating the site, putting out our newsletter and making the policies and decisions for Tea Party Nation.
Between last February and the present, Tea Party Nation has seen members come and go. We have tried to deal fairly with our present and former relationships, however, not without some criticism. This criticism has been unfortunate and we believe, unwarranted. However, it is the policy of Tea Party Nation not to focus on past challenges, but to stay focused on the task of advancing the conservative cause and defeating liberalism.
With that in mind, we will not be making any comments regarding former members.
The National Tea Party Convention
Last summer, our founder, Judson Phillips, approached the Advisory Board about a need for the Tea Party movement to move beyond holding rallies. At this time, the Tea Party Nation Advisory Board discussed the need for a Tea Party Convention. We envisioned a convention where delegates from the various Tea Party groups could gather, network, gain training and discuss the advancement of the movement. In this light, we began development of the plan resulting in the current incarnation of the event.
Certainly, we are not professional event planners. We have been most appreciative of the many members, volunteers and professionals who have helped us bring this vision to fruition. These people have managed a tremendous task and put a convention together in a matter of weeks that normally takes a year to plan.
As stated, the convention is now sold out. There is an extensive waiting list. We have delegates coming from Maine to California and as far away as Hawaii. And as of this morning, we invited RNC Chairman Michael Steele and DNC Chairman, Tim Kaine to come and have a dialogue with the attendees. We are awaiting a response and are looking forward to an excellent event with the excitement of the attendees, leadership and speakers. We are grateful for the overwhelming response and appreciate the positive results expected from this convention.
In the end, we appreciate the fact that differences of opinion exist, but our leadership and our volunteers are committed to the successful conclusion of this convention. We appreciate the interest of all those associated with this event.
Tea Party Nation
www.teapartynation.com
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Shocking! Think I’ll drive by the grave of Claude Rains later.
Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Dude this just got really interesting.
gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM
As they said over at Ace about this: This sh!t just got real.
NotCoach on May 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM
You get the presumption of innocence in a court of law, but not the court of public opinion.
rbj on May 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Finally! The low-level rogue employee faces justice!
Lily on May 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Paying attention to these scandals is like asking for Obama’s Birth certificate, or something.
portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Lerner isn’t going to escape the public perceptions of this. As our trolls like to say, “If you have nothing to hide…”
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Just wondering what prison I’d be sent to if, when the IRS came calling and asking questions, I decided not to answer?
dirtseller on May 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Remember, this is the most transparent administration, evah!
I think we should treat them like they treat legal gun owners–as criminals without a trial.
Kingfisher on May 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Looking forward to the “No comment” montage on the evening news.
blammm on May 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM
That’s gotta hurt that “nothing illegal here” storyline the WH has been peddling (with disturbing assistance from some of their lickspittle minions).
natasha333 on May 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Oh, snap!
Punchenko on May 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM
The camera time for Lerner will be awesome, pleading the 5th over and over and over, and you know the questions will be interesting.
Bishop on May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Here we go indeed. Although there’s obviously all sorts of legal mumbo jumbo about taking the 5th meaning nothing in terms of guilt or innocence, it’s pretty well established that people who have nothing to hide don’t invoke their right against self-incrimination.
Good call by Issa forcing her to invoke that right, it’s terrible optics for the Administration, and gives the GOP all sorts of cover to keep digging.
LukeinNE on May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Journ-O-list meeting going on right now with Erza Klein and company.
Over / Under of 20 coordinated stories?
tetriskid on May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM
But, but, but, 2 rogue employees in the Cincinnati office….
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hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM
We’re all birthers now.
Lily on May 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Because nothing says “innocent” like taking the fifth.
Offer her immunity, and then let’s hear what she has to say.
bofh on May 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Another instance of Administration obstructionism and stonewalling.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Lerner invokes the fifth, and Jay Carney lets the truth out in dribs and drabs, hoping that the American public won’t get the whole picture and put two and two together. They really do think the public is made up of morons, and considering what they’ve gotten away with so far, I can’t say they’re wrong.
RebeccaH on May 21, 2013 at 4:50 PM
So, the top dogs knew nothing.
The workerbees were just doing as told.
AND …
The middle cog takes the 5th.
Gotcha !!!!
Jabberwock on May 21, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Maybe our legal scholar nonpartisan can explain what the legal ramifications of this will be or is he too busy trying to hack into the Harvard Alumni webportal?
HumpBot Salvation on May 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM
Looks like this administration found an Amendment to the Constitution they’re not yet willing to part with.
EA_MAN on May 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM
If Lerner isn’t talking then other people will have to take the stand, I wonder how many of them will invoke the 5th and really make this circus a circus.
Bishop on May 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM
If she can not answer questions about her job as a government employee she should be terminated immediately.
NotCoach on May 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM
House Committee: Was this or was this not authorized by White House officials!?
Lois Lerner: On advice of counsel, I respectfully assert my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Democrats: MAKE. IT. STOP! Arrgggh!
Punchenko on May 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM
Troll Free.
portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM
She will probably still be drawing a government paycheck and get bonuses will appearing before Congress….
Just like Hasam kept getting paid after shouting ALLAH AKBAR and killing people to the tune of $278,000…..
That money should go to the victims and there families.
redguy on May 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM
“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.”
Baraka Obama
August 21, 2010
CycloneCDB on May 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM
We are dealing with a bunch of slimy lawyers here. They may not be good at math but they do know how to game the legal system. Here’s how we fight fire with fire. I demand that Issa and his bunch get Mark Levin on retainer and have him frame all questions and responses. It’s as he has said on his show repeatedly it wasn’t the geniuses up on Capitol Hill who exposed all this, it was Levin and his Landmark Legal Foundation that did all the work. Give the man as much $$$ as he needs and get her expertise on this asap. That’s some tax money I don’t mind spending.
Hang this beo tch!
neyney on May 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Flat Tax, fire them all!
Oil Can on May 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Crickets from the ACLU.
John the Libertarian on May 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM
SOOOO glad Issa will get all of her claims in the record.
Next time I get audited by the IRS, I’ll pull that outta my hat and expect them to consider ME innocent, too !!
Yeah, that’s the ticket !!
pambi on May 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM
True.
And in my opinion, currently being made public, she wouldn’t need to plead the 5th if she really had NOT committed any criminal acts.
dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM
So then, wouldn’t it make sense that the person who transferred Lerner from the FCC job where she made her bones and reputation, knew exactly what she would do in the new IRS position? Or what I think is more likely, she was moved to the IRS position and told directly to go after conservative ankle biting groups. In which case, I would really like to know who was involved in the job transition decision and how far up the chain those discussions went.
parke on May 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM
Any employee, who takes the Fifth, should either be fired or placed on administrative leave. She CANNOT be left to continue as the head of the Division that is the place where unethical, immoral, unAmerican, and, almost certainly, illegal and unconstitutional behaviour took place.
Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM
Nothing screams transparency like pleading the 5th.
antipc on May 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM
If the Obama Administration really wanted to get to the bottom of this, teh AG’s office could offer her immunity for all of her past crimes (except for lying to Congress in her upcoming testimony) and let her testify. Considering the likelihood that the Justice Department will not do anything to Ms. Lerner, it isn’t like we would be losing anything anyway. Of course, we all know the White House isn’t going to let Ms. Lerner testify. Heck, Issa should put that offer out to the DOJ and see what the response is.
Conservative in NOVA on May 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM
I have a feeling something serious is going to happen soon. There hasn’t been a luxury vacation taken all month and it’s already the 3rd week in May.
Signs and portents.
Lily on May 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Didn’t I see this in the Congressional Hearings in Godfather II?
kingsjester on May 21, 2013 at 4:57 PM
This should be interesting, if Issa is bold enough to ask.
“Who instructed you to target these groups?”
“I plead the 5th.”
The Rogue Tomato on May 21, 2013 at 4:57 PM
Remember all the libs saying this “faux” scandal would only last a week. Or all the Mobys who warned us not to overplay the scandals.
Question:
THe repubs and dems can’t pass “immigration” while these scandals are blowing up, can they?
BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 4:57 PM
And, even in court, the refusal to testify in your own defence is considered by a jury. The odds of acquittal are higher where the jury has heard directly from the defendant.
Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM
They should have stuck with “Uhhhhh duuuuhhhh I don’t know.”
Bishop on May 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Never thought I would get the chance to re-live the Nixon Presidency.
Sound of crickets from the Kos Kids and at Zsa Zsa’s site.
But the DUmmies were very vocal about this:
Anyone know if that last claim is true?
Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Ya – I have to go with that also.
Given that the majority of the voting population put these people in office – I doubt most of them could put 2 and 2 together.
This IS the Idiocracy.
dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Um, the 5th only applies to incriminating yourself. Assuming no laws have been broken, how could she possibly be incriminating herself?
She cannot plead the 5th to questions which would incriminate others, such as Obama.
mitchellvii on May 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Plead the 5th?
Time for the Grand Jury methinks.
PackerBronco on May 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM
She’s pleading the Fifth.
Scooter and Mooch are drinking it.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave…
kingsjester on May 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM
I can imagine if no one ends up going to jail or with any significant consequences…the new way to climb the ladder of success in liberal land will be to crush conservatives, their supporters and or anyone reporting the actual facts using any means at your disposal, ethical or not.
Lois Lerner will be a glowing text book example for the liberal career minded union member, if she walks away with not only her current job, but with all her bonuses in the bank.
Alinsky on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
So Lois Lerner discovered a section of the Bill of Rights that she likes?
She pleads the Fifth for herself after she denied the First to others!!
I think we have someone who qualifies as one of those domestic enemies of the Constitution.
The Obama administration is corrupt from the top to the bottom.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Pleading the 5th = Extremely High Administration official
Who else were perform seppuku for Dear Leader?
portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
The Banana Republic of America
jnelchef on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
LOL. But remember, she didn’t do anything illegal. Nobody in the Obama administration ever does anything illegal. As Nixon once explained, if the president does it (or directs his minions to do it), it can’t be illegal.
L’etat, c’est Obama.
AZCoyote on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
But taking the Fifth Amendment and refusing to anwer questions before a Congressional committee doesn’t mean she’s incompetent let alone untrustworthy or a criminal, right?
She can still run ObamaCare, right?
novaculus on May 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM
The committee no doubt will call her to testify, and thus plead the 5th, but they’ll allow her lawyer to speak and he will indicate that her answer to all questions will be the same.
However, I don’t believe Issa or any of the majority will force her to continue replying to questions, serially or otherwise. First, it’s SOP not to do so and, Second … she’s a GUUUUURRRRRRLLL. War on women crap and all.
TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Would the Fifth apply in that instance? You can’t be made to incriminate yourself, but the Fifth doesn’t protect third parties.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM
NO!!!
why protect her from any criminal prosecution?? unless she has testimony that incriminates higher ups there is no reason to immunize her.
chasdal on May 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Valid point. HOWEVER – even if she was ordered by Obumble to order agents to do something illegal, she is still guilty of the illegal order herself.
dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Racist.
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kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM
someone should start a Twitter feed …#questionsforlyinglois….
hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM
They are all Obama. The genius of the Jarrett presidency has been to insert “self-actuating” agents for change into countless positions of authority, scattered widely throughout the burocracy. They don’t need orders from the WH, they just need to be themselves. They all know what to do. The hive mind is strong.
bofh on May 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Sorry, Mr. Baucas, all your outrage (since you decided to retire) is too little, too late.
PattyJ on May 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM
After trampling the Bill of Rights in her judgment of others I think she’s waived her right to invoke it for herself.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM
(a)2) and (c)(2) are most applicable.
I have a question, too: What purpose is served by having government employees take this oath,
Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM
Sorry. I worded it badly. Immunity isn’t offered until the witness has “off the record” indicated exactly what they will testify to, and it appears to be of sufficient value.
bofh on May 21, 2013 at 5:04 PM
Nice!
So she’s going to plead the 5th?
Then probably drink a 5th…you go Girl!
ToddPA on May 21, 2013 at 5:04 PM
tetriskid on May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM
THIS NEEDS TO BE A HEADLINE ON DRUDGE, BREITBART, HERE ON HOTAIR, EVERYWHERE!!!
The MSM are getting their talking points from the WH as we speak.
I wonder how much of this is going on?
Obama: Hey you all know how much dirt I’ve dug up about your tax returns in the last few years. It would be a shame if that somehow leaked out wouldn’t it? Why your careers would be toast right?
MSM-Yes sir!
Obama: ok so here are your talking points for tomorrow….
neyney on May 21, 2013 at 5:04 PM
sh!t status: Real
ted c on May 21, 2013 at 5:04 PM
I like these threads. They tend to stay troll free because even the trolls can’t defend this crap.
That being said, if I were Lerner I’d be pleading the Fifth too. It’s good legal advice not to incriminate yourself and the tale she told about a couple of rogue employees acting on their own to what we know now has been quite the slow painful journey.
What I find most amusing is that employees recall Lerner constantly talking about not doing anything that you can’t defend in front of the cameras at a Congressional hearing. I guess she left out the part where the defense begins “upon the advice of counsel I respectfully plead….”
Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 5:04 PM
What time tomorrow does this popcorn-fest start? Link? Got to clear the calendar and get my “Pound Sand” poster ready…
hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM
The way that could work, though:
Issa — “Who ordered you to target Conservative groups? The Fifth does not apply.”
Lerner — “Obama”
Issa — “Did you carry out that order?”
Lerner — “I refuse to answer under the Fifth Amendment.”
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM
“Other to embarrass or burden her?”
That’s rich, given that this is exactly what was done to every Tea Party group — and doubtless thousands of conservatives.
matthew8787 on May 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Now, this gets real. There needs to be an endless loop of tomorrow’s hearing of this woman refusing to testify for fear of incriminating herself.
blue13326 on May 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM
dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Bingo!
annoyinglittletwerp on May 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Depends on circumstances. I’m not doing much in conversations with LEOs till I have legal representation.
a capella on May 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM
The gal running ObamaCare is another rabid liberal, not Lerner.
Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 5:07 PM
So this administration is really worried about Lois Lerner’s constitutional right’s but James Rosen’s rights, not so much.
Can anyone explain to me what is going to happen to Mr. Rosen? I am very worried.
esr1951 on May 21, 2013 at 5:08 PM
I know nothing about these low-level events…except when I need to plead the 5th or something…
workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 5:08 PM
I don’t know how far down in the hierarchy of a federal department a supposed civil “servant” is required to take an oath of office.
Anyone know?
INC on May 21, 2013 at 5:08 PM
Dang right they ought to make her plead the 5th again and again and . . .
WannabeAnglican on May 21, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When I left grad school to join a CPA firm, I was told failure to keep adequate records was unlawful.
So the Intrusive Revenue Service can cop out and claim they have no records of what stunts they tried to pull?
seven on May 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Doug Schulman was a Democratic donor…btw…
workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Who wants to bet this all started with Rahm? He liked to fashion himself as a tough guy all the way back to the Clinton administration.
Tater Salad on May 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Yes. If she were to admit that she was instructed to target and name the party(ies) so instructing her, she would potentially be admitting to participation in a crime, a felony, i.e., conspiracy to deprive private citizens of their civil rights under color of law, among others.
Probably why she’s pleading the 5th to begin with.
Of course, the committee could grant her immunity, thus unlocking her tongue, something I’m sure they’re deliberating at the moment.
TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM
next comes an immunity deal and then she will spill her guts….
stay tuned!
reliapundit on May 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM
I can’t believe those no good Republicans are making her take the Fifth!
EA_MAN on May 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Tough guy in a Tutu…Not that there’s anything wrong with tutus
*snicker*
workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM
How many Wall Streeters went to jail for the charades they were playing with mortgages? Zero.
In fact, our current two previous Democratic SecTreas’s were in the middle of that grand robbery.
My point is that – as outrageous as the IRS scandal is – nothing will come of it.
It’s no longer a govt. for, of and by the people. It’s the ruling class and the rest of us. We are all suckers!
Deafdog on May 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM
I think Lerner is now running Obamacare.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Yet the b1tch gets her salary and benefits ?
burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Looking, but I found this:
Embattled IRS official Lois Lerner’s husband’s law firm has strong Obama connections
Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM
Note to self … set DVR to CSPAN 3, tmrw.
Paraphrasing Dennis Miller:
If they’d only build all of their stonewalls along the southern border !
pambi on May 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM
What, no Troll defense?
No verby to tell us how harsh we are?
kingsjester on May 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM
busted
cmsinaz on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM
It’s the Barnum & Bailey Show — getcher popcorn :)
jersey taxpayer on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM
You may be right, I’m the lawyer around here (neither is NP so you know who is). I guess it depends on how the Amendment works, and how Issa asks the questions. I’m thinking, perhaps wrongly, that she can say if she was given an order but can’t be made to say she carried it out.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Bbbbut this is just a political side show sploded by republicans isn’t it or do I have the wrong sideshow?
workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM
NOT the lawyer, that is
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM
This is 4th grade math. No competency requirements are needed, I suppose.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM
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