Great news: Oliver Stone documentary to put Hitler “in context”
posted at 6:27 pm on January 11, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via Weasel Zippers. Platoon, JFK, The Doors: Isn’t this guy’s work supposed to be some sort of cinematic window into the historical memory of Boomers? I didn’t realize that “Hitler got a bad rap” was floating around in there alongside Woodstock and acid.
At least we know the film will be scrupulously accurate.
“Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy — these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,” Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association’s semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.
“Stalin has a complete other story,” Stone said. “Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any single person. We can’t judge people as only ‘bad’ or ‘good.’ Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He’s the product of a series of actions. It’s cause and effect … People in America don’t know the connection between WWI and WWII … I’ve been able to walk in Stalin’s shoes and Hitler’s shoes to understand their point of view. We’re going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions … Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”…
Stone said that conservative pundits will dislike the show.
“Obviously, Rush Limbaugh is not going to like this history and, as usual, we’re going to get those kind of ignorant attacks,” said Stone, who also also compared the experience of sympathizing with war criminals to making his “W” movie about George W. Bush. “I’m trying to understand somebody I thoroughly despised.”
Haven’t heard a good backhanded Bush/Hitler analogy in awhile but that’ll do nicely. Exit question one: Anyone not think his “contextualization” of an economically depressed Germany turning to populist political terror is going to end in some sort of half-assed tea-party analogy? Exit question two: Why does Stone assume that only conservative pundits will object to trying to understand Stalin’s and Hitler’s “point of view”? Not saying he’s wrong, but I’d love to hear him explain.










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I knew it was only a matter of time before someone tried to make “Springtime For Hitler” a reality and forgot to keep their tongue firmly in their cheek.
Animator Girl on January 11, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Yep, I missed the “.” after the Munich pact remark (proper punctuation does no good if the reader pays no attention to it) sorry :0
American Isolationist were a far cry from the active roll Stain took in freeing up the German war machine and they lost the argument long before Pearl Harbor.
Gwillie on January 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like the left wants to ‘rehabilitate’ recent tyrants just in case Obama wants to assume the role?
Insert witty screen name here on January 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM
My extremely liberal wife (though she’s lately confessing to having a very strong libertarian streak in her) would just as soon put her own eyes out as give Stone the time of day over this subject. She lost family to Hitler. Her grandfather was actually taken to a concentration camp, before her grandmother literally bribed a camp guard, with the last of the family heirlooms converted to gold, to get him out and escape in 1938. Many family members never made it out.
Stone’s a fascist sympathizer with the best of them. He has no problem tearing down the fundamentally good and sound principals and philosophies driving our country, and liberty loving people everywhere–those anathema to Leftism worldwide.
He’s scum. He needs to go crawl back under the rock from whence he came.
This brings up another subject that I’ve been mulling over. As the generation of heros who lived and fought through WWII die off, we are losing the witnesses to the atrocities brought down upon so many by Hitler and his ilk. As that happens, the deniers will only get stronger. Their falsehoods and distortions will gain strength as the people who witnessed the horrors slowly disappear and their voices against the lies fade.
We have to remain diligent in preserving the memories of the heros and victims. It’s a battle that we must fight without pause. If you know people who were in camps, or have family who were, or fought, or witnessed, in any way those horrors, preserve their words. Record them on video, write their testimonies, get audio conversations and save them away. Find organizations that will help you archive them. There are many synagogues, for example, or Jewish community centers, that will work with you. Contact your church, as there are many that are committed to preserving this history.
Just do it. It’s that important.
nukemhill on January 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM
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veteranoutrage on January 12, 2010 at 12:29 AM
Probably already been said, or though of….But I knew it was just a matter of time before someone tried to justify Hitler’s actions/position, apart from real Nazis. Because really, if they agree or sympathize with the muslim’s “plight”, then they’d agree with Hitler to an extent.
YoungAmerican on January 12, 2010 at 12:33 AM
How about a movie that showed the cooperation between the Nazis and the Baath Party of Saddam Hussein and that is still in power in Syria.
pedestrian on January 12, 2010 at 1:14 AM
I can’t decided whether you are a very uneducated psychopath or a very disturbed 10 year old boy.
RINO in Name Only on January 12, 2010 at 1:24 AM
So according to Stone, Hitler is the new victim? Stalin was just misunderstood? McCarthy (since he’s lumped in with them) was responsible for multiple millions of human dead?
*siiiiigh*
NTropy on January 12, 2010 at 1:33 AM
Sounds like Stone is going to try to blame America for Hitler. That will be a neat trick since Wilson was opposed to much of the Treaty of Versailles and the US ultimately didn’t sign it. While Hitler got lots of support from industrialists 99.9 % of it came from outfits with names like Krupp, not Ford. Doubtless he’s going focus on that other 0.1% and misrepresent a few US corporations not abandoning the German market in 1933 as active support for Hitler.
kd6rxl on January 12, 2010 at 2:53 AM
Hitler was a monster, yet liberals still never bothered to try and “understand” him the way they do with so many other dictators. I guess that time has come.
Oliver Stone is not the right man for the job but a project like this could actually provbe interesting. I mean, what the hell drives a man to do what he did? Madness is the correct answer but was he born mad?
Daemonocracy on January 12, 2010 at 8:17 AM
If someone wanted to do a psychological study to try and determine what turned Hitler into the monster that he was. That would be ok. In fact a number of papers have been written on that subject already. However, I doubt very much that is what Stone is up to. It’s not his style. He’s into finding conspiracies where none exist, and fixing blame on those who played no role.
MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2010 at 8:28 AM
Stone is probably the worst director for rewriting history. It’s hilarious to hear about him wanting to use a film to set the record straight.
hawkdriver on January 12, 2010 at 9:30 AM
Typical Liberal love of authoritarian dictators. In the Liberal mind, how bad could a leader be who believed in centralized authority, a subservient business sector, and a healthy skepticism about the Hebrew class? This is why the Left is sympathetic to the Palestinians and all things Islami-jihadi.
I expect to see the secondary roles of Franco and Musolini played by sympathetic Hollywood character actors: Antonio Banderas and Armand Asante.
EMD on January 12, 2010 at 9:38 AM
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Osis on January 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM
Anyone know if Stone drives a VW Beetle?
Sharke on January 12, 2010 at 9:53 AM
The message always seems to be that “the times created these people” and that the evil they perpetrated has roots somewhere else. That is hogwash. The times may have allowed these people to come to power but they were always evil and would do the same or similar evil deeds in any situation where they had the type of power they had at those times. Attempting to place blame elsewhere achieves two purposes. First, it removes responsibility from those in power for what they do. Second, it seeks to justify controls on society and culture so that no more of these monsters are “created”.
Choose_Freedom on January 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Never get your history lessons from movies. Especially any movies made by Oliver Stone.
SC.Charlie on January 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like the left wants to ‘rehabilitate’ recent tyrants just in case Obama wants to assume the role?
Brilliant on January 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM
theaddora on January 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Have you noticed, the only tyrant the left ever disliked was Pinochet? He didn’t kill nearly enough people for their tastes and most of those he killed were Marxist revolutionaries who wanted to enslave the country. Plus he rescued Chile’s economy. It’s hardly surprising that they despise him.
Sharke on January 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM
That’s a typo.
MadisonConservative on January 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Progressives/Liberals can’t stand success or happiness. They want everyone to be just as miserable as they are. It’s for their own good.
Oldnuke on January 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM
It has to do with the redistribution of wealth, which the left favors. Dictators who seize private and corporate assets are OK. Dictators who protect those interests are not. Brutality is an additional, but secondary, concern.
The world would have lived with much of Hitler’s antisemitism if he had stopped his military aggression after Czechoslovakia.
dedalus on January 12, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Glenn Beck had it right in “An Inconvenient Book.”
Good Things Hitler Did:
Chapter 1 – The Autobahn…….p 3
Chapter 2 – Coal to Oil plants.p 4
Index……………………..p 5
Red Cloud on January 12, 2010 at 11:29 AM
I dread to see what he does with Wall Street 2
jp on January 12, 2010 at 11:29 AM
test
jp on January 12, 2010 at 11:31 AM
He sounds like a 12 year old who just found out the Germans were not the folks who bombed Pearl harbour. A little knowledge is dangerous in a film makers child mind.
BL@KBIRD on January 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Wow; how heavy, man, insightful, deep. The whole idea of “grey” has been the Hollywood mantra for decades. They actually think they are quite brilliant for this view. This is why people like Roman Polanski and Woody Allen get a pass.
yubley on January 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM
True, living evidence that if you smoke enough ganga, God will appear to you and show you “The Way.”
georgeofthedesert on January 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Last year during the campaign we heard from a former FBI agent who’d infiltrated the Weather Underground during the sixties who related conversations between W U members speculating about how many tens of millions of citizens might have to be exterminated in a post-revolution America. If true, then it’s plain that the hearts of true believing leftists beat to the same rhythm as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, etc, etc. I see no reason they wouldn’t then admire, privately in most cases, the butchers of history. Morons like Stone continually give us a peek behind the veil of liberal madness. Which could be a postive if enough Americans can/will shake off their media induced torpor in time to recognize what they’re seeing.
mugged on January 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Stone is a very dangerous man. I can’t tell you how many of my Brit friends believe “JFK” was historically accurate.
E9RET on January 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Here’s hoping I read that wrong. He wants to liberalize “them” meaning our minds, right? Liberalizing our minds about…what? Stalin’s and Hitler’s points of view? We’re going to cause our minds to make Hitler’s/Stalin’s points of view “progressive” and “free of bigotry” and “tolerant?” We’re going to make their points of view “favoring or pertaining to freedom of action?” We’re going to be “open-minded” and “tolerant” of Hitler’s and Stalin’s points of view? I’m betting that there’s a specific set of people (I’m one of them) who would beg to differ on that.
This should prove interesting.
jedijson on January 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM
I think it’s a tad much to compare McCarthy (and Bush for that matter) to people whose body counts are in the millions. It’s amazing how comfortable the left is, getting into the heads of genocidal maniacs. I suppose the film will show the “warm, compassionate” side of Hitler…he was really just a kindhearted man, who wanted to do what’s best for Germany, but the corporate CEO’s and the military industrial complex just took over and BOOM, six million dead “undesirables”.
SG1_Conservative on January 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Bet he wasn’t around during the battle of Stalingrad nor even get his tootsies cold in that terrible winter battle. Stalin didn’t fight the Russian people did
Herb on January 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM
Yawn, another O. Stone movie to ignore.
gbear on January 12, 2010 at 4:40 PM
Didn’t Mel Brooks already do this in The Players?
shick on January 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM
I meant “Producers”.
shick on January 12, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Most telling about Hitler’s decrepit mental and spiritual sickness is that he killed his own dog for purposes of “testing” a suicidal method, which he then applied to his new wife, Eva Braun, before he shot himself (while avoiding the same newly “tested” method he’d used on his own dog and then wife).
Guy sat there and fed his own dog a deathly capsule, then handed same to his wife.
So that myth that Hitler loved his dogs (or animals in general, along with children, who he also never hesitated to put to death after inflicting horrible suffering on them, I guess, as another version of his “testing” methods) is kaput. Because the truth is, he did not love dogs, animals and children. Nor himself. Nor anyone else.
All of that, that Hitler loved animals, children, Eva Braun, his mother, Germany, whatever, all of that, a myth. It was yet another one of those myths that well-practiced psychotics perpetuate on their victims for purposes of making the victims’ suffering even more horrific.
Lourdes on January 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM
And I’m sure Oliver Stone will not reveal THAT ^^.
Lourdes on January 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM
What really is needed is a film ABOUT Oliver Stone. Exposing who he is.
Lourdes on January 12, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Hey, that Caligula guy wasn’t so bad either.
Bleed_thelizard on January 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Flyboy speaks for Bleed
Bleed_thelizard on January 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Aw, everybody knows that the military industrial complex killed JFK because he didn’t want to fight a war in VietNam. Don’t they? Didn’t you see Stone’s movie “JFK”?
sarc off.
Redteam on January 13, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Well then, maybe Oliver, you can’t judge me as bad for saying that Hitler was EVIL. And the religious movements that started in the late 40s and early 50s–from the people that actually saw the wreckage–knew they had seen EVIL on the face of this earth.
Axeman on January 13, 2010 at 3:03 AM
I think that a movie about Adolph Hitler is a great idea. But having Oliver Stone do it is like… well… having Oliver Stone doing a movie about the Kennedy Assassination.
ronnyraygun on January 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM
Hitler was a vegetarian, did not smoke and did not drink. And, had great ambition to better the German people. Just the kind of fella that mom would like her daughter to marry.
SC.Charlie on January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Last Stone flick I liked was Midnight Express. And that was a looooong time ago.
John the Libertarian on January 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM
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