State tax revenues continue to tank

posted at 2:20 pm on January 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

With the media and the administration pushing the idea that economic recovery has already begun, the Rockefeller Institute for Government looked at one key indicator of economic activity — and discovered something else entirely.  The Obama hailed the initial estimate of 3.5% annualized third-quarter growth of GDP (revised downward twice to 2.2%) as the start of the rebound.  Yet state tax revenues fell by double digits in the same period, the third straight month of double-digit tax declines, and the fourth quarter only looks marginally better (via The New Editor):

Tax collections nationwide declined by 10.9 percent during the third quarter of 2009, the third consecutive quarter during which tax revenues fell by double-digit percentages, according to the latest report from the Rockefeller Institute of Government.

Combining current data with comparable historical figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, the Institute reported that the first three quarters of 2009 marked the largest decline in state tax collections at least since 1963.

Western states saw especially sharp declines in tax collections during the third quarter, while revenues fell by more modest levels in the Southeast, New England, Mid-Atlantic, and Plains regions.

For the fourth quarter of 2009, early data showed continuing declines, although the negative trend of the past year appeared to be moderating. For 38 early-reporting states, personal income taxes fell by 6.5 percent during October and November while sales tax collections declined by 5.5 percent.

This chart shows the difference in tax revenues between state and local collections, the latter of which mainly rely on property taxes rather than income taxes:

The only reason we may be seeing a rebound of sorts in Q4 for this data is because it calculates year-on-year.  The final quarter in 2008 showed a decline, although not particularly sharp, so that 2009Q4 has a lower baseline for comparison.  But for that matter, the tax revenues from the first three quarters of 2008 — which provided the comparative baseline for the three quarters of double-digit declines — also were anemic, at around 1% year-on-year growth.

Also, that “rebound” in Q4 that the RIG anticipates is a smaller decline, not an increase — in other words, a slowing of the rate at which it gets worse, not that revenues will increase.  A Q4 showing anything below the zero line means a decrease from 2008Q4, which already  had declined slightly from the 2007 Q4, which means that a -6.5% will look like an uptick on the chart but will really represent further losses — just at a slower rate.

States rely mainly on income, sales, and property taxes for revenues.  As the above chart shows, property taxes remain fairly stable, although the rate of growth declined over the last three quarters.  The rest of the taxes reflect economic activity in the states, and most of them are seeing deep recessions continue.  When 38 states show drops between 5.5%-6.5% in tax revenues in a quarter, it shows a decline in economic activity.  And when three-quarters of our states are in a recession, attempting to claim economic recovery in any practical sense is sheer folly.

Be sure to read the entire report.

Update: I called the Rockefeller Institute for Government “Rockefeller Center,” which is obviously wrong.  My apologies, and I’ve corrected it above.

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Time for State Charity Bake Sales.

Kini on January 8, 2010 at 2:21 PM

So raise taxes, problem solved and happy days.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM

BOOOOOOSSSH!

search4truth on January 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM

close those hatches….dive….dive…..dive.

jbh45 on January 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM

When can we start laying off legislators?

Cicero43 on January 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Illinois is selling a prison to raise funds.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Hide the decline….

rockmom on January 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM

SMART Power!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!!eleventy

jukin on January 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM

And when three-quarters of our states are in a recession, attempting to claim economic recovery in any practical sense is sheer folly.

Bring on more unfunded mandates!

BacaDog on January 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM

You know what this calls for? Health Care Reform that increases Medicaid costs for the states (except Nebraska, of course).

BPD on January 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM

We ain’t seen nothing yet. Don’t most states fiscal years end in July? Prediction: Federal bailout by late May for 36 states in the guise of Porkulus #2.

Johnnyreb on January 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM

The Washington State treasurer issued a stern warning this week that by September 2010, the state of Washington will no longer be able to meet its obligations. California is going to have a LOT of company it seems.

CyberCipher on January 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM

And just think…people actually voted for this deliberate tanking of the economy. Go figure!

capejasmine on January 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Hey, all they really need are a few more unfunded federal mandates.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 2:31 PM

I don’t think the government is spending enough…

PatriotRider on January 8, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Funny how these state governments never think of getting their costs inline with their revenues something we of the unwashed masses do all the time.

docdave on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM

All joking aside, it’s long past time that we as citizens understand that all these services are not ‘free’. We all have expected way too much of local/state gov’t and as a result the whole system has grown too big and inefficient. Let private sector firms fill in the gap.

search4truth on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM

B+

joejm65 on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Here is a op-ed in the WSJ from the NY Lt Gov pretty much asking for a federal bailout. Federalism definitely escapes these bozos. Maybe state level Dems should start berating their federal-level peers to stop creating mandating welfare programs to their states.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:33 PM

I don’t think the government is spending enough…

PatriotRider on January 8, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Unfortunately, those who are in charge of wasting taxpayer dollars don’t think the government is spending enough either. Not even close to enough.

Edouard on January 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Delaware is in deep doo-doo, I can tell you that.

DaydreamBeliever on January 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Oregon has measure 66 & 67 in a special election in 2 weeks.

Tax increases like crazy for small business, and employers:

* Yes vote: “Yes” vote raises tax on incomes above $250,000 for households, $125,000 for individual filers. Tax rate increases 1.8 percentage points on amount of taxable income between $250,000 and $500,000, 2 percentage points on amount above $500,000 for households. For individual filers, the rate increases begin at $125,000 and $250,000 respectively. Eliminates income taxes on the first $2,400 of unemployment benefits received in 2009. Raises estimated $472 million to provide funds currently budgeted for education, health care, public safety, other services.[5] [6]

The typical “Save the Children” bullcrap. & of course the liberals Portland crowd will pass these tax measures and the rest of the working class in Oregon will suffer the consequences.

portlandon on January 8, 2010 at 2:35 PM

On Jan. 1st the state of Alabama tripled its unemployment tax on businesses, in an effort to dig their way out of the extended unemployment burden. That is hitting many small businesses very hard and definitely puts the brakes on new hires.

We are slipping into a vicious cycle and the outcome does not look promising.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Decline, not hidden. B+

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Governments may finally be forced to make cuts. Quick, hide the decline!

singlemalt_18 on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

I have a great idea that will not only increase tax revenue but may put an end to welfare and the handouts that come with it.
TAX WELFARE, after all it IS income. Also TAX FOOD STAMPS, it is also a form of income IMHO. That would either force those on the welfare rolls to “pay their fair share” or get off welfare and get a real job. The latter is a win win, if they can find the jobs. Either way, WELFARE is income and it should be TAXED therein increasing the revenue.

milwife88 on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Great. I guess this means that Illinois will start sending the other half of their welfare recipients to Minnesota once a month to collect their checks.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

People are moving elsewhere, and when this is combined with ridiculous public pensions, there is no way most states will stay above water unfortunately.

The Dean on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

BHO: “The states must spend their way out of debt.”

mwdiver on January 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Funny, I just commented in the unemployment thread about how the next big bailout will be to the states. Porkulus obligated the states to extend unemployment benefits, along with a host of other mandates that they have no way to pay for. All of those “saved or created” jobs were simply more government hirings that cannot be undone.

MJBrutus on January 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM

I am hoping mad about the stupidity of the Oregon tax increases but what is really giving me pause is two stories in one week of people just plain leaving their houses and relocating elsewhere.
The politicians both nationally and locally have got to get a clue that people are desperate and just plain walking away.
There’s going to be a problem at the local and state level for a long time.

ORconservative on January 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Everyone on Medicaid should move to Nebraska. That would lighten the load on the other states.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 2:42 PM

People are moving elsewhere, and when this is combined with ridiculous public pensions, there is no way most states will stay above water unfortunately.

The Dean on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

So FL is really scerwed, this issue and AGW!

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Can’t the states just print their own money? Problem solved!

Juno77 on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Flip that over and the blue line looks like Gore’s hockey stick graph. Does that mean BHO is responsible for economic cooling?

mwdiver on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

We’re always a year or 2 behind on our property taxes.
With everything else to pay, it gets really overwhelming.
And in response to this, I bet many states will just increase taxes to make up the difference.
Dear God help us all.

Badger40 on January 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Illinois is selling a prison to raise funds.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Arizona is selling our state capitol building :)

offroadaz on January 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Can’t the states just print their own money? Problem solved!

Juno77

California tried that, remember? They called their currency IOUs!

MJBrutus on January 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Ben Nelson sold his soul.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Delaware is in deep doo-doo, I can tell you that.

DaydreamBeliever on January 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Hey, a fellow Delawarean!

You are absolutely correct. And it’s been that way for well over a year. Another “blue” state sinking under its own weight.

UltimateBob on January 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Can’t the states just print their own money? Problem solved!

Juno77 on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Only if the FED buys their bonds.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Arizona is selling our state capitol building :)

offroadaz on January 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM

I think conservative Arizonians need to pool funds and buy the capital. Now I think the government than wants to lease it back. After one year, kick them out. That would be fun. Maybe not a good investment, but fun.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM

If this is truly the way the United States falls, dictators and statists the world over will have legitimate evidence to say that democracy is unworkable.

Perhaps there will be enough states with the sense to start cutting pork out of self-preservation that we can take most of “Jesusland” and leave the libtards with “America”.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Delaware is in deep doo-doo, I can tell you that.

DaydreamBeliever on January 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I’m guessing that too much of Maryland’s income is the Federal government for it to feel it too much.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

O’s plan worked….it only took two year dem. congress and twelve months of the Won……

nondhimmie on January 8, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Can’t the states just print their own money? Problem solved!

Juno77 on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

My Accountant said that IL will not issue 2009 income tax refunds. If you overpaid, they will apply the overpayment to 2010 taxes. Thank goodness I work in IN and pay no IL income taxes.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Prediction: Federal bailout by late May for 36 states in the guise of Porkulus #2.

Johnnyreb on January 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Porkulus #1 was a state bailout. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

All those jobs that were supposedly “saved or created”? They were government jobs. Cops, teachers, etc etc.

UltimateBob on January 8, 2010 at 2:50 PM

The system worked.

farright on January 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM

If this is truly the way the United States falls, dictators and statists the world over will have legitimate evidence to say that democracy is unworkable.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

If the 16th Amendment was never passed, we would still be going strong fiscally.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM

My Accountant said that IL will not issue 2009 income tax refunds. If you overpaid, they will apply the overpayment to 2010 taxes. Thank goodness I work in IN and pay no IL income taxes.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:49 PM

I wish you had not said that. I fluff my state income taxes by ~250-300 bucks over just in case. I am sure CT will at least attempt to do the same thing that you said IL did.

Johnnyreb on January 8, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Been in Business 18 years and VA just tripled my unemployment tax to ” help my fellow Virginians during these tough times”. I have never laid off a worker, but I have to pay for the companies that did. I see more layoffs coming to compensate for the higher tax. Politicians just dont get it!

faol on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

If the 16th Amendment was never passed, we would still be going strong fiscally.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM

That plus a precious-metals standard to keep politicans from printing money at will, and we’d still be a respected (and mildly feared) powerhouse instead of a limping paper tiger.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

So, if tax revenues are down, why are government expenditures UP? Shouldn’t state legislatures be trying to balance budgets and live within said budget?

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Been in Business 18 years and VA just tripled my unemployment tax to ” help my fellow Virginians during these tough times”. I have never laid off a worker, but I have to pay for the companies that did. I see more layoffs coming to compensate for the higher tax. Politicians just dont get it!

faol on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Faol, if I were you, I’d get to steppin’ on layoffs. Show the politicians the error of their ways by trimming your expenses accordingly. It sucks for your workers, but you have to break some eggs to make mayonnaise.

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Well, maybe if they were run by Conservatives but here in Oregon they come up with proposals 66 and 67 that increase taxes on small business because they “can afford it”.

ORconservative on January 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Illinois is selling a prison to raise funds.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

how soon before Illinois, and other states, start closing prisons in order to save funds??

Pardons?

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM

There’s a lot to be said for “starving the beast.”

Bugler on January 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Funny how these state governments never think of getting their costs inline with their revenues something we of the unwashed masses do all the time.

docdave on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM

That’s it, off to the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Re-Education and Patriotic Conservative Capitalist Elimination Facility with you for even uttering such blasphemy…

doriangrey on January 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

And remember that several states/counties/cities raised taxes – California raised sales tax 1% – so it’s even worse than it looks. And when you look at other taxes, hotel tax, airport tax, taxi taxes, etc. the tax receipt problem is worse there too with travel being as far down as it is. The government can fudge a lot of numbers to spin things positive but tax receipts is very difficult to cover-up. There is no recovery.

markytom on January 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Been in Business 18 years and VA just tripled my unemployment tax to ” help my fellow Virginians during these tough times”. I have never laid off a worker, but I have to pay for the companies that did. I see more layoffs coming to compensate for the higher tax. Politicians just dont get it!

faol on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

And sense it is on the first X thousand dollars ($9K in IL), it makes that much less money available to invest, hire, etc.

If unemployment is going to exists, the tax should NOT be applied to each worker, but rather the average number of workers a company employs over a year. For example, if you fire a guy in May and rehire a guy in July, no unemployment tax would be applied to the new guy since unemployment was already paid for that position.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

So, if tax revenues are down, why are government expenditures UP? Shouldn’t state legislatures be trying to balance budgets and live within said budget?

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Oh no you didn’t… You can just join docdave (on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM) at the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Re-Education and Patriotic Conservative Capitalist Elimination Facility…

doriangrey on January 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Thank you for the piece and the info Ed!

data today suggests a big inventory build in Q4, too bad no one would take my bet on a double dip. If we hit 4% in Q4 there is no way in hell they can avoid the dip in Q1….

States have no ‘FREE’ MONEY to pump into their economies and give false data

I think this chart is far more reflective of the overall state of the national economy than the GDP data….

ginaswo on January 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM

to clarify- This Tea Patriot is confident a double dip is in stone, no Obamabots would bet on him and take my bet though…

heh

ginaswo on January 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM

how soon before Illinois, and other states, start closing prisons in order to save funds??

Pardons?

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Our Gov (Pat Quinn) released about 1500 prisoners 6 or so months ago to save money. A non-trivial amount are already back in prison for new offenses. He did this before Huckabee’s incident arose. I am pretty sure Quinn is regretting his move, but cannot say so publically since we have an election this year.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

how soon before Illinois, and other states, start closing prisons in order to save funds??

Pardons?

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM

0_0 Ohhh boy…..they wouldn’t do something THAT completely foolish….would they?

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Time for State Charity Bake Sales.

Kini on January 8, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Good idea! Just don’t use transfats, salt, eggs, sugar, artificial sweetener or anything else that tastes good.

Oldnuke on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

0_0 Ohhh boy…..they wouldn’t do something THAT completely foolish….would they?

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Doesn’t California have an upcoming plan to do just that?

Oldnuke on January 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

So, if tax revenues are down, why are government expenditures UP? Shouldn’t state legislatures be trying to balance budgets and live within said budget?

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

http://tinyurl.com/y895gdz

Read this – states who took stimulus money are being FORCED to spend more by the Federal Government:

First, in most state capitals the stimulus enticed state lawmakers to spend on new programs rather than adjusting to lean times. They added health and welfare benefits and child care programs. Now they have to pay for those additions with their own state’s money.

Second, stimulus dollars came with strings attached that are now causing enormous budget headaches. Many environmental grants have matching requirements, so to get a federal dollar, states and cities had to spend a dollar even when they were facing huge deficits. The new construction projects built with federal funds also have federal Davis-Bacon wage requirements that raise state building costs to pay inflated union salaries.

Worst of all, at the behest of the public employee unions, Congress imposed “maintenance of effort” spending requirements on states. These federal laws prohibit state legislatures from cutting spending on 15 programs, from road building to welfare, if the state took even a dollar of stimulus cash for these purposes.

markytom on January 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Shouldn’t state legislatures be trying to balance budgets and live within said budget?

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Is your birthday January 7, by chance?

jwolf on January 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

If the 16th Amendment was never passed, we would still be going strong fiscally.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM

We would be in much worse shape if we were trying to fund our government with tariffs. The real problem is that they neglected to cap the tax rate (I hear some wanted to cap it at 5%).

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.
Ayn Rand

@ntif@n on January 8, 2010 at 3:09 PM

To help the States, and since further deficit spending is not an option in this climate, the Democratic lead house and senate will pass an amendment to repeal the following clause from the constitution:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

With the repeal all states will be able to print money. The amendment is expected to pass easily in state legislators.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM

I’m surprised property taxes haven’t taken more of a hit in view of the large number of mortgages at the edge of default. I’m assuming if a family can’t pay the mortgage they probably can’t pay the property tax either. Any info on this?

jwolf on January 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM

We would be in much worse shape if we were trying to fund our government with tariffs. The real problem is that they neglected to cap the tax rate (I hear some wanted to cap it at 5%).

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

The welfare government we know today would not exists without the income tax. Once our citizens were comfortable stealing other people’s wealt and fruits of their labor, all this sh*t became possible.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

People are moving elsewhere, and when this is combined with ridiculous public pensions, there is no way most states will stay above water unfortunately.

The Dean on January 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM

You aren’t kidding. Texas, from what I can see in my neck of the woods is getting inundated with out of staters seeking work. Mostly from liberal states. I worry about this, for the next elections. We prosper, because we don’t fall into the liberal crap….but with more, and more moving here, thinking the liberal way is the only way, and not understanding that we are where we are because of conservative values…may tankk Texas in the next few years.

capejasmine on January 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

anybody here get hannity live feed to your laptop? does his new website do lifefeeds of the show? if so, where is the link to it?

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM

I had a conversation with the “richest guy I know” who is one of those serial entrepreneurs with the Midas touch – you know the type. He is by no means ostentatious, in fact you’d never guess that he’s wealthy by looking at him.

He told me that he is spiraling the drain because of diminished land values, significantly increased taxation, reduced revenues, etc. He doesn’t think he’s going to make it.

We have been living off of the momentum of the past economy and whatever fat stores we had laid down.

Now we’re about to go anaerobic.

turfmann on January 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Doesn’t California have an upcoming plan to do just that?

Oldnuke on January 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

If the gov’t will try KSM right here in front of us and rub our noses in it, they’ll sure as heck pardon a whole lotta dudes to save some cash. Cut defense and prison funding so that we get weakened on both ends. I cease to be surprised. Look what they did with the NBPP fellas. Slap on the wrist, pat on the back and winky-wink, get on back out there fellas…. see ya in November says the AG. *sheesh*

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Now we’re about to go anaerobic.

turfmann on January 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM

a little exercise phys metaphor, eh

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 3:20 PM

I’m surprised property taxes haven’t taken more of a hit in view of the large number of mortgages at the edge of default. I’m assuming if a family can’t pay the mortgage they probably can’t pay the property tax either. Any info on this?

jwolf on January 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM

I’d be willing to bet that it’s a good part of the equation.

elderberry on January 8, 2010 at 3:20 PM

States need to raise their sales taxes to Huckabee fair tax level.

PrezHussein on January 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM

If this is truly the way the United States falls, dictators and statists the world over will have legitimate evidence to say that democracy is unworkable.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

And they’d be right – democracy is unworkable in the long run. Any system that allows other people to vote themselves your money is going to fall apart eventually.

needtoknow on January 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Gee, it started plummeting right around the Democraps took control of Congress. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence though.

but with more, and more moving here, thinking the liberal way is the only way, and not understanding that we are where we are because of conservative values…may tankk Texas in the next few years.

capejasmine on January 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Don’t worry…liberal ideology didn’t work anywhere in the history of the planet, but they’ll get it right in Texas.

orlandocajun on January 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM

There’s a lot to be said for “starving the beast.”
Bugler on January 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM

The last thing you would want to give an alcoholic would be another drink.

If someone took you credit card and ran up a trillion dollar bill, would you give them any more to spend?

We have to look at the Tea parties and the National Strike
as an Intervention.

We have to say “we love you guys” (not really, but work with the me here),
“but it’s time you put down the bottle and cut up the credit cards”.

Admitting to the problem is the first step in getting better.

The second is getting some other gainful employment in the private sector away the H*ll from our money.

Juno77 on January 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Illinois is selling a prison to raise funds.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Hardin, Montana tried to sell a prison to an ex-con.

what is it with these “extra” prisons?

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM

what is it with these “extra” prisons?

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM

P O R K

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Ben Nelson sold his soul.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM

You can’t sell what you don’t own.

Oh wait. He is a Democrat. Never mind.

PappaMac on January 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Just print more money…!

Do I have to do everything around here?

Seven Percent Solution on January 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM

P O R K

Hmmm, I just figured chicagojeezusnessism fix the crime problem.

That and unicorns.

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:45 PM

The welfare government we know today would not exists without the income tax. Once our citizens were comfortable stealing other people’s wealt and fruits of their labor, all this sh*t became possible.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Neither would our military, nor the peace and trade it supports, and thus, neither would our prosperity.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM

If you turn the chart upside down, it shows tax revenues going through the roof. Progress!

/Bleeds Blue

Mike Honcho on January 8, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Pretty soon we will be on par with our european cousins.

Deficit @75 – 80% of our GDP. (the best of them)

Lefties’ finally europeanized us. Yeepeee! We can finally ditch the movement to emulate them.

Sir Napsalot on January 8, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Faol, if I were you, I’d get to steppin’ on layoffs. Show the politicians the error of their ways by trimming your expenses accordingly. It sucks for your workers, but you have to break some eggs to make mayonnaise.

RWLA on January 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Cant do it. I have to sleep at night and I have been lucky with the group I have. My biggest fear is medical. I have always paid 100% for them but the premiums for even the basic plans are going out of site. Trying to hold the line til we can get some adults in charge of the economy again.

faol on January 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM

This is good news. It hurts a lot but that is the only way the binge spenders will learn. HHS sec sebelious left her state in a bind. They are far down in collecting revenues and sending IOU’s to school districts. Many school districts were on construction binges and now have cas shortages. States use a lot of gasolene and went over budget for vehicles and road construction last year (2008) and have not recovered. Welcome to the club. Corporations have to reduce labor and spending when sales go down and states think they are superior to that.

seven on January 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM

more stimulus please!!

tommer74 on January 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM

I’m surprised property taxes haven’t taken more of a hit in view of the large number of mortgages at the edge of default. I’m assuming if a family can’t pay the mortgage they probably can’t pay the property tax either. Any info on this?

jwolf on January 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Once a bank forecloses they are the owner and have to pay the taxes. I believe that includes back taxes. These and other expenses are why the banks are willing to offload the houses on short sales so quickly. It cost them alot of money to have them on their books. Property taxes really only take a big hit when property values drop drastically. Property tax income will really take a hit the next couple of years as commercial property drops in value.

Corsair on January 8, 2010 at 4:18 PM

And it will get worse as the imperial fedrool gummint takes a greater and greater share of peoples’ income. We the people are ignored by the feds, but we have a whole lot more clout locally–we will vote down taxes at the state and local level, as our (non)representatives in D.C. increase the fedrool burden. Hopefully, we will get rid of the D.C. scum, before the situation becomes irretrievable.

As we all look at these figures, we should also be asking ourselves why it is that we are paying so much in taxes to a level of gummint that is essentially only empowered to defend our borders, conduct foreign policy on our nation’s behalf, and deliver the mail–none of which the feds are currently doing with any positive effect. Virtually all law enforcement, infrastructure, and public services (like schools, fire protection, utilities) are provided on the state and local level. So where should our tax dollars go? Which statutes and programs should be targeted for repeal?

Ay Uaxe on January 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM

And they’d be right – democracy is unworkable in the long run. Any system that allows other people to vote themselves your money is going to fall apart eventually.

needtoknow on January 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Which is why the founding fathers originally limited the franchise to those who had a stake in the system. In their day, that meant land owners. In are day, voting should be based on taxes. Unless one is a net tax payer, no vote for you. If you get any of your income from govt (state/fed/local) no vote for you.

MarkTheGreat on January 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM

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