House conference call portends significant changes in ObamaCare bill

posted at 11:36 am on January 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Nancy Pelosi’s caucus held a conference call yesterday to discuss the health-care overhaul bill that came out of the Senate, and it appears that House Democrats are in no mood to accept it.  Ben Pershing reports in the Washington Post that the “Cadillac tax” has generated the most opposition, with only one House Democrat (Colorado’s Jared Polis) defending it.  Driven mainly by union opposition, Pelosi’s caucus appears ready to revamp the bill again — which will create more openings for division:

Worried House Democrats held a caucus-wide conference call Thursday to strategize about health-care reform before lawmakers return to Washington next week.

More than 100 members joined in on the call, Democratic aides said, to discuss the differences between the House’s health bill and the one passed by the Senate. With Senate Democrats barely able to muster the 60 votes necessary to pass their own bill and President Obama leaning toward the Senate’s position on some key issues, House Democrats are increasingly concerned they could be marginalized at the bargaining table.

Liberals are particularly worried that Obama has indicated to negotiators that he wants to preserve the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-cost health plans, a provision that is included in the Senate bill but not the House measure. Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said several members spoke out on the subject during Thursday’s call. …

Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) has enlisted 190 House Democrats to sign a letter declaring their opposition to the tax, which has also been fiercely criticized by labor unions — some of whose members would be exposed to the tax — and by other skeptics who fear the tax could hurt the middle class. Defenders of the excise tax say it will put people who buy their own insurance on more equal footing with those who receive insurance through their employers, and that the tax will help reduce costs over time.

This excise tax really is a problem, and not just for the unions.  The biggest problem with it is that it will become moot.  The Senate estimated that it would receive hundreds of billions in revenue from the tax, but that relied on a static analysis that assumed the plans would still get offered while attracting penalties.  As soon as the tax hits, those plans will disappear, and insurers will recalculate coverage to give the maximum benefit while avoiding the taxes.  It’s much more likely that the government will see little to no revenue at all from this tax, which blows a big hole in the delicate deficit balance the Senate was attempting to achieve, at least on paper.

If the House redrafts the Senate bill to eliminate the Cadillac-plan excise tax, they will have to replace the revenue from somewhere else.  The Senate rejected a massive increase in the income tax, and wisely so during a recession.  Pelosi favors a “surtax” on the wealthy as a means of getting the money, which at least has the virtue of being more realistic than the Cadillac excise tax.  However, an income-tax hike will hit small businesses that file as individuals for tax purposes, harming job creation and further dampening any recovery, real or imagined.

It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work.  It’s another opportunity to kill the bill, and given the political damage the last round did to red-state Democrats in the upper chamber, Harry Reid may not be able to bargain his way around those cloture votes again.  The unions may wind up killing the bill, thanks to their self-serving opposition to paying taxes for a program for which they have been lobbying for months.


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It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work. It’s another opportunity to kill the bill

Let’s hope so.

forest on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Awwww. Unions don’t get to get out of this without paying while fleecing the rest of us?

Poor widdle babies.

KILL THIS BILL. FOREVER.

Good Lt on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

The unions may wind up killing the bill, thanks to their self-serving opposition to paying taxes for a program for which they have been lobbying for months.

There are only two things that can kill this bill. A 41st Republican and a meteor.

LibTired on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Nice bill you have there. Be a shame if something happened to it…………..

BacaDog on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

I guessing this was not a video conference call.

When Nancy called in, the person at the other end of line reminded here that the call will be recorded for quality control puposes. Nancy hung up.

WashJeff on January 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Keep dragging it out closer to November….tick tock tick tock

PatriotRider on January 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Was C-Span on the call?

PatriotRider on January 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM

These people are natural liars. They have a plan. They intend to sneak something through and it doesn’t matter what because once it’s through and entrenched they can change it at will. Watch them closely and do not let up on them for one minute. They must fear us.

Oldnuke on January 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work

Enough already with the false hope Ed. It’s going to pass.

Knucklehead on January 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

the “Cadillac tax” has generated the most opposition

I love it. This is turning into a bigger clusterf@@k than anyone imagined.

Because everyone wants their “free” health insurance, but no one wants to pay for it.

UltimateBob on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

BacaDog on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

+10

astuddis on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

The unions may wind up killing the bill, thanks to their self-serving opposition to paying taxes for a program for which they have been lobbying for months.

Or getting themselves an exception written-in on page 1849 using .0005 font.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

My head spins when there are new developments coming out of congress with regard to this bill. I have to thank Mr. Morrissey for explaining the cause and effect so thoroughly each and every time. As much as I want this thing to die a quick death, it definitely has been a flashlight on the corrupt, power-hungry politicians. Let it stay lit and let them suffer at their own hands come November.

sherry on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Who knew that the time Obama would decide to stick his beak into the process, it would be to gum up the works. Why does he care about the Cadillac tax so much? I thought it was all about getting any kind of bill.

Well, perhaps his friend Andy Stern doesn’t really care about the Cadillac plan, since most members of the SEIU have low-level janitorial-style jobs, not UAW sinecures. What does Stern care if the AFL-CIO goes under? In fact, that’s what he wants.

Obama is tipping his hand here and revealing too many puppet strings.

What does Mr. Stern have on our little purple-lipped leader? Inquiring minds want to know.

EMD on January 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Dare we hope this might get killed? Please let it be so. Kill this horrible bill dc!
L

letget on January 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Build your house on sand, and it will not stand; build your house upon rock, and it will last a lifetime. This just proves what sooooo many have said – it is simply a bad bill.

singlemalt_18 on January 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Bullshjt.
Maobama is jonesin’ for a glory fix. He needs it for the State of The Union back patting session. He will be very depressed if he doesn’t get it.

Itchee Dryback on January 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work.

Dare I get my hopes up?

Who will get bought off in the next vote to ram it through?

Yakko77 on January 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Or getting themselves an exception written-in on page 1849 using .0005 font.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

That’s what I’m thinking too. They’ve already exempted parts of Florida for Medicare Advantage and the entire state of Nebraska for Medicaid. Like they’re not gonna pay off the unions when they’re this close to getting this sucker passed?

Doughboy on January 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

There are only two things that can kill this bill. A 41st Republican and a meteor.

LibTired on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

tru2tx on January 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

It’s much more likely that the government will see little to no revenue at all from this [Cadillac] tax

Oh contraire…

I understood that this tax was not indexed for inflation so that every year that passes, is a year that lower cost plans inflate in price and move into the tax zone. In 10 years, every plan (the ones that are left) will cost enough to be taxed.

Youngs98 on January 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

I’m not buying this. Nancy held this conference call to allow her minions to vent for a few minutes. In the end she will force them to vote for the Senate bill, and they will.

rockmom on January 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Why do I get the feeling that this is just a bunch of multi-colored smoke being blown up my a%s…?

Seven Percent Solution on January 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Youngs98 on January 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

That was my understanding also. A stealth single payer without Congress actually having to make one. With the coming double digit inflation, they stand a very good chance of having no private plans left by 2020.

Johnnyreb on January 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Because everyone wants their “free” health insurance, but no one wants to pay for it themselves.

UltimateBob on January 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

The advocates of ‘free’ healthcare (who are nearly all hardcore liberals) don’t mind paying for it at all – so long as someone else is doing the paying.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

This alleged president and Congress are engaging in “taqiyah”;
Lying to the people to protect their true agenda.
They are employing the same tactics as Islamic terrorists, and you shall see this in action in the show trials in New York. The health care legislation is another way for them to require people to pay “jizya”.
It now makes more sense when they say that “we are not at war with Al Qaeda”. Our government and Al Qaeda are becoming one and the same. References here.

Cybergeezer on January 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Interesting. Guess Nancy isn’t in charge as much as the public thinks. Imagine that.

AnninCA on January 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

More division=prayers answered.

Kissmygrits on January 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) has enlisted 190 House Democrats to sign a letter declaring their opposition to the tax, which has also been fiercely criticized by labor unions — some of whose members would be exposed to the tax — and by other skeptics who fear the tax could hurt the middle class.

Great spin Washington Post! SOME???? Try using MOST you morons. And does anyone think these dip-o-crats give a rats-@ss about hurting the middle class? They just want to make history.

Rovin on January 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Hahahahahahaha! How do you like them unions now, House Democrats? They’re doing to you what they’ve done so many times in this country–force a majority to cop to their minority program through coercion (DC vouchers progam anyone?), and screw things up mightily in the process. Only this time the screwee deserves it! Hahahahahaha!

smellthecoffee on January 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

If House Democrats write in an exemption for expensive “Cadillac” health-care plans obtained through unions, how much tax “revenue” would be lost? Would it be enough to increase the CBO scoring above $900 B or $1T?

Steve Z on January 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

It will be easy to put in a protective clause that prevents people who earn below a certain income and who have a Cadillac plan to have to pay the tax. I can imagine the figure to be $250,000. I will say it again and most of your readers already know it but this bill is not about health care, it is about power. Pelosi will come to her senses and realize that any plan that passes will be the portal to total control of all health care, insurance, food, drugs, medical devices, autos, leisure activities and life styles. This is SO much bigger than puny health care!

inspectorudy on January 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

I’m not surprised the liberal wackos can’t agree on something like this. There’s no room in the Capital, much less the bill, for their egos. Let’s hope that they continue the cat fight well into the year and up until the election.

They may be using House objections as a way of scraping the bill, saving face and possible their arses come November.

orlandocajun on January 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

dont forget MAC proposed an identical tax in his health care plan ONLY MAC gave us Tax CREDITS to offset the expense

and Obama lambasted him for it and is now twisting arms behind the scenes to push it through

TheHill IIRC said Obama is expected to go to the House again to talk health care bill

remember when Big Dawg tried to go to a DEM Caucus Senate or House luncheon cant remember which, and they told him , no you cant be here and turned him away? I do.

ginaswo on January 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

I’ll believe it’s dead when it’s vampiric head is lopped off, a stake is in it’s heart, it’s burned into ashes and scattered to the winds, Reid and Pelosi are sent packing, Dems are a minority in both houses, and there are no Dems in the White House.

Until then, it’s alive.

And even if all of that happens, it won’t be dead – it’ll just be resting until it’s next opportunity arises.

Midas on January 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Union bosses are probably busy working on a full Nelson provision right now.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

This alleged president and Congress are engaging in “taqiyah”;
Lying to the people to protect their true agenda.
They are employing the same tactics as Islamic terrorists

Cybergeezer on January 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Oh please, lying is what politicians do.

ProfessorMiao on January 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Interesting. Guess Nancy isn’t in charge as much as the public thinks. Imagine that.

AnninCA on January 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Nancy’s (Reid, Obama, et al) problem is that she cannot explicitly state the stealth single payer goal or the country would burn down at this point. I’m sure she’s gritting her teeth during these calls…

Nobody is comprehending the long-term results of this massive legislation which is a complete takeover by the government.

Youngs98 on January 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Union bosses are probably busy working on a full Nelson provision right now.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

That’d be my bet; wait and see if there isn’t some kind of union exemption put in place. Nothing is beyond these weasels in terms of getting this thing passed.

Midas on January 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Really hard to comprehend why Obama bet the whole damn farm on this legislation at this time. Wouldn’t it have been easier for him to just buy an insurance policy for his aunt?

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM

S.N.A.F.U.

Akzed on January 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Reid to Pelosi, out on the ice:

“Uh, do you hear a cracking noise?”

Bat Chain Puller on January 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Claire McCaskill was badgered into coming out with a press release demanding the bill go to a conference committee. Jamie Allman, of 97.1 pinned her in the corner and wouldn’t let her out till she agreed.

flyoverland on January 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM

F.U.B.A.R.

Akzed on January 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

and by other skeptics who fear the tax could would hurt the middle class.

ladyingray on January 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM

S.N.A.F.U.

F.U.B.A.R.

Akzed on January 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

B.O.H.I.C.A.

UltimateBob on January 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Yeah, there will be an exemption of some sort. Probably sound something like that Louisiana deal. All states that were hit by a natural disater on Aug. 29, 2005 at 6:10CDT and had its levies undermined will be exempt, yada, yada, yada….

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Maybe the unions will plant this bill right next to Hoffa.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM

the tax will help reduce costs over time.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Is there ANYONE in Congress who really believes that?

GarandFan on January 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Look, this information is leaked for a reason. The denratf**ks have a plan and it doesn’t include letting this despicable bill die at this late date.

csdeven on January 8, 2010 at 12:33 PM

All they need is to pass something. It can always be changed later in the face of new needs to alter it.

Itchee Dryback on January 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM

“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.”

“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”

“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.”

Ronald Reagan

Sorry but these quotes mean more now than ever.

jukin on January 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM

WHAT? Free health care won’t be free?

morons.

ORconservative on January 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM

GarandFan on January 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Is there anyone in congress who actually cares one way or the other?

Itchee Dryback on January 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Shouldn’t that be pretends instead of portends? It’s still the economy stupid. Any tax increase during a recession or otherwise is a no brainer for private businesses. Tax increases simply means more money taken out of the private sector. Weakening the private sector now further pushes plausible economic recovery out of the near term. Government stimulus packages have proven not to create private sector jobs. Government stimulus may have saved local, state and non zip coded area government bureaucratic jobs but has not had any significant impact on the private sector. This so called health care bill is going to slam the private sector economy so hard and for so long that the ranks of citizens lining up for unemployment will reach 1930′s great depression levels. Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid are both on brink of financial collapse. There will be a lot of unhappy people come November 2010. It is going to be a figurative blood bath and those who usherd in this legislation won’t even feel it because they were not ever going to be active in any of the detrimental diminishing rationed benefits. These people pushing this legislation will take of themselves as they always do.

The bottom line for begining any recovery is having the government stand down on any legislation that causes the weakening of the private sector. Kill this bill now or watch the kick off of the 2010-2020 decline. It’s a great depression redo in the making except the speed for which it happens won’t be a sudden crash but a slow motion mud slide.

Americannodash on January 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Enough already with the false hope Ed. It’s going to pass.

Knucklehead on January 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

I’m inclined to agree with you. After all the DOA comments, and rhetoric. All the certainty, that so called moderate dems (which truly don’t exist) would never stand for this kind of bill, or expense on the American people, and all the back, and forth guessing…..you are right, unfortunately. I hate being a pessimist, but I too believe, somehow, some way this bill is going to be passed, and we’ll all be crucified, with the exception of the unions.

capejasmine on January 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM

But I thought we were all getting Cadillac plans. Are we not getting top-notch coverage now?

Ronnie on January 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

The key factor for the Democrats is that any new taxes, like the “Cadillac tax”, need to be in this bill. It’s easier to make a level adjustment with a smaller bill, but new taxes have to be in the ObamaCareless Bill.

J_Crater on January 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I wonder how the federal government expects the state and local government to rollover for state and municipal workers (many of whom are union).

J_Crater on January 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM

The union’s oppostion is proof positive that this ‘cadilac tax’ will never raise a dime. Thus, ipso facto, a $35B hole is blown in the ‘deficit neutral’ agrument.

DrW on January 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM

If the Democrats don’t pass something now, it will mean that their entire platform for the last 40 years has just been meaningless BS. Of course if all it turns out to be is a requirement that everyone buy private health insurance, then that is really a conservative victory, especially once it is struck down as unconstitutional.

pedestrian on January 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM

…struck down as unconstitutional.

pedestrian on January 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM

I don’t want to bet my kids’ future on that.

ElectricPhase on January 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM

The bill cannot die simply because the bill cannot die. The time and reputations invested in the process have exceeeded the tipping point, that is, the point at which losses could be safely cut. The “losses” have been now been folded into the bill, and the process. Only passage of something, anything, can amortize these personal, political costs.

rrpjr on January 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Why don’t these blithering idiots just eliminate the cross border restrictions on health insurance and see if it works. Can’t be any worse that what is going on now and certainly better than the shyster bill that is under “debate”. So simple.

ultracon on January 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM

How about Scott winning, thus getting the bill killed and dems. blaming the GOP for obstruction blah blah….

nondhimmie on January 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Listen, the angry town halls, the million people on the Capitol lawn, all the phone calls and letters, and even the polls haven’t convinced them this is a bad idea. Why wouldn’t you think they’ll find a way to pass something that can be changed later without a Congressional vote?

John Deaux on January 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

It’s time to make the clainm that _____# of people (Americans or foreign ‘visitors) will die as we dither. (Not that the # would be different if the bill was euthanized).

Fuquay Steve on January 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM

This bill is another elaborate ponzi scheme. The ponzi salesman have the same pitch, first participants in win and promote it, go find more suckers to pay in and promote it. This ponzi scheme will begin to fall apart when fewer suckers are found and the money collected/invested over the duration of the scheme mysteriously do not equal or fall way short of the money on hand.

Socialism is a the ultimate ponzi scheme and the sooner we call it that the better.

Americannodash on January 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM

***
I don’t believe that this C**P SANDWICH “health care” bill is dead. November 2, 2010 is the read deadline for the “democrat” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his congressional ilk to ram through the changes needed to convert the U.S.A into their United Socialist States of America dream.
***
They will make any deals, pay any bribes, take any compromises needed to get this passed. They can “fix” it later to complete the dream. Our so called “representatives” of both House and Senate are just bargaining for more Nebraska style payoffs and exemptions before they pass it.
***
But they may wake up and make sure that the tax increases of this bill do not take effect until after the 2010 mid-term elections. They don’t want to wake up the sheeple until they retain control for another 2 years of socialism.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on January 8, 2010 at 1:22 PM

health-care overhaulkill bill

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Pelosi favors a “surtax” on the wealthy as a means of getting the money, which at least has the virtue of being more realistic than the Cadillac excise tax.

Only marginally. Such a surtax will only reduce total revenues, even if it still brings in its own money.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Who are they trying to fool?

SouthernGent on January 8, 2010 at 1:59 PM

The Kabuki theatre continues as it will with Amnesty and Cap and Trade. Same process, same passage.

In the end Repubs, because of their poor leadership, will squander any possible election gains and fall short of gaining the House or the Senate. They are guarantteed to say the wrong thing at the right time. We can bank on it. Steele has been a good example these last few days.

patrick neid on January 8, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Leave Cadillac alone, Token! They are nowhere as expensive as Mercedes!

leftnomore on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

I feel a fever. I fear I may have contracted ODS… Obama Derangement Syndrome. Is there a cure for it, this side of 2012?

leftnomore on January 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM

So lets see the Unions spent millions getting Obama elected and now they are upset because he is screwing them?

LOL!!!

MikePappas on January 8, 2010 at 2:31 PM

They had the same problem in Copenhagen. The looters can’t decide how to divy up the loot.

bitsy on January 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Some meaningful changes could have been made with about ten pages, but the liberals want to turn the world upside down. Now they are so invested in this monstrosity none of them are willing to back off and call it what it is. So, the rest of us get screwed.

joedoe on January 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Bullshjt.
Maobama is jonesin’ for a glory fix. He needs it for the State of The Union back patting session. He will be very depressed if he doesn’t get it.

Itchee Dryback on January 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM

I’m sure his pals at BIG PILL can hook him up with some anti-depressants.

Monica on January 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Relax. So what if this bill increases the deficit. The daily accelerating amounts of increased income promised to the economy and the treasury from the amnesty bill will fix everything. In fact, it’s better if we lose money on health care because that will make the wisdom of the nation-saving amnesty bill even more obvious to all the high I.Q. Obama voters.

snaggletoothie on January 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM

“…another opportunity to kill the bill”

Let’s hope the stars a alined in this direction. Just imagine, after all this give and take, what a really good, bi-partisan Bill might come out of DC. Nah! Pipe dream.

jeanie on January 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Wait just a dang minute…wasn’t it just yesterday that HAGLOSI said they were “VERY CLOSE” to having an agreement??? My, my what 24 hours does to her botoxed brain…

Ltlgeneral64 on January 8, 2010 at 3:17 PM

It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work. It’s another opportunity to kill the bill
Let’s hope so.

forest on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Yea lets hope I wanna see what kind of contortions Nelson D NE and Landrieu D LA do this time to stick it to their constituents. nelson tried to whine that he intended for medicare payments for all atates just like he got, well I wanna see the asshat crapweasal vote for cloture again and hear whay the liars have to say.
Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Harry reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi will go own in history as the most corrupt politicians ever.

As a poster on Luizianne.com blog said,
Public officials should be limited to two terms,
One in office,
One in prison!

dhunter on January 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM

It also means that the Senate has to reintroduce the House bill — and that means at least two cloture votes, even if the Senate doesn’t allow any amendments or committee work. It’s another opportunity to kill the bill
Let’s hope so.

forest on January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Yea lets hope I wanna see what kind of contortions Nelson D NE and Landrieu D LA do this time to stick it to their constituents. Nelson tried to whine that he intended for medicare payments for all states just like he got, well I wanna see the crapweasal vote for cloture again and hear what the liars have to say.

He also said the calls he was getting were largely in favor of his vote ,same line my lyin Dem, Harkin D. IA used!
Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Harry reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi will go own in history as the most corrupt politicians ever.

As a poster on Luizianne.com blog said,
Public officials should be limited to two terms,
One in office,
One in prison!

dhunter on January 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM