Giuliani claims that US had no homeland terror attacks in Bush administration

posted at 1:36 pm on January 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Rudy Giuliani has come under some criticism for remarks he made to George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America today regarding the Obama administration’s response to terrorism and approach to terrorists. Some of what Rudy says in this interview is entirely supportable, but can he really claim that there were no domestic terrorist attacks in the Bush administration? Er …

It isn’t that President Bush did everything right. This whole thing is like, well, they say, you know, “President Bush sent people to Yemen.” Well, he shouldn’t have! [Laughs] He shouldn’t have sent people to Yemen! Obviously, now, if he could do it again — one in five people that have been released from Guantanamo have gotten involved in terrorist activities. At least! That’s what we can measure. Obviously, it was a mistake.

What he should be doing is following the right things that Bush did. One of the right things he did was treat this as a war on terror. We had no domestic attacks under Bush — we’ve had one under Obama. Number two, he should correct the things that Bush didn’t do right. Sending people to Yemen was wrong. Not connecting — not getting this whole intelligence thing correct was both Bush’s responsibility and Obama [crosstalk].

Well, the obvious miss here is 9/11, which Giuliani should have understood still reflected on Bush the way the EunuchBomber reflected on Obama.  One has to assume Rudy meant after 9/11, when everyone finally began to take AQ seriously.  Even that leaves eight months of the Bush term, compared to eleven months of the Obama term before the EunuchBomber, in which to come to speed on an organization that had already conducted a string of terrorist attacks on American assets abroad.  That’s a losing argument no matter how one slices it.

That’s also not the only terrorist plot that came to fruition in the Bush administration. Richard Reid attempted to blow up an airplane headed to the US from Paris in almost the exact same manner that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab did coming from Amsterdam. In both cases, the plane was only saved by the quick action of the passengers and a certain amount of incompetence by the terrorist.

Jake Tapper points out on Twitter that the DC sniper John Muhammad was convicted by a jury of terrorism in the ten murders he committed. We never did get a clear declaration of jihad from Muhammad before his arrest, but he did offer strong hints as to his jihadist motivations while in prison — along with a number of other psychotic ramblings.  And for that matter, we still have yet to determine whether the anthrax attacks in 2002 were terrorist attacks of a domestic or foreign nature.

Rudy has some important points to offer here, but they get obscured by the poor attempt at point-scoring.  We had our intel failures in the Bush administration, too, and Bush eventually signed off on the creation of DHS and DNI, which has been a big part of the problems we have seen in the last couple of months.  We should drop the notion that everything ran perfectly before January 2009 (a point Rudy started to make as well), and focus on pushing for more rational reforms and better performance instead.

Update: Jake Tapper recalls another 2002 attack that has largely been forgotten:

Some might argue, however, that even with this quite significant clarification, Giuliani is ignoring some other acts of terrorism:

• Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, an Egyptian national who on July 4, 2002 shot and killed two Israelis and wounded four others at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. The FBI would later say Hadayet was motivated by opposition to Israel and US policy in the Middle East and the shootings fit the definition of terrorism.


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more rational reforms and better performance instead.

Fantasy.
Will never be possible with govt.
Period.

Badger40 on January 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Well, the obvious miss here is 9/11, which Giuliani should have understood still reflected on Bush the way the EunuchBomber reflected on Obama. One has to assume Rudy meant after 9/11

Of course he meant after 9/11.

And NO, the attacks of 9/11 were no reflection on Bush and are in no way even REMOTELY similar to the undie bomber.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Whew… thank G_d Rudy isn’t the Homeland Security Secretary.

myrenovations on January 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Ed, I saw Media Matters whining about this yesterday, which means Rudy said the same thing earlier. I didn’t read their article, only the headline accusing Rudy of lying.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 1:41 PM

People either are unaware or forget (and when it comes to lefties, most likely being deceitful) that Bush asked for a plan to attack and eliminate al Qaeda before 9/11 happened and it was prepared by early September. It is NO fault of his that the terrorists were so heinously successful.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Since 9/11 happened before Obama took office, he doesn’t get a pass on not knowing that we are at war with AQ. Maybe Bush should have known, maybe he shouldn’t have, it’s a debatable point. But since 9/11 there should be no doubt on the part of anyone.

MarkTheGreat on January 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM

A good, solid, B+… that’s what I meant! A good solid B+! Yeah, that’s it.

Deckard on January 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM

I really am tired of the media taking a comment like Giuliani’s and twisting it and righties taking that malicious spin and jumping on the bandwagon.

Does anyone REALLY think Giuliani “forgot” 9/11?

My God.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I know what he was getting at even if it sounds wrong the way it came out. Most of us were willfully ignorant of the general threat before 9/11, but even after 9/11 there were the anthrax attacks and the shoebomber.

Red Cloud on January 8, 2010 at 1:44 PM

And for that matter, we still have yet to determine whether the anthrax attacks in 2002 were terrorist attacks of a domestic or foreign nature.

They “solved” that one, remember? The crazy guy who ran the anthrax program and killed himself as the feds were coming for him a couple of years ago?

Buddahpundit on January 8, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Not a big deal
Dana Perino and Mary Matalin said the same thing,
now if we can get Rush on the bandwagon maybe people will start to believe….

greataunty on January 8, 2010 at 1:45 PM

One has to assume Rudy meant after 9/11, when everyone finally began to take AQ seriously.

Unless your brain is infected with liberalism.

SouthernGent on January 8, 2010 at 1:46 PM

The Truth hurts. You can’t handle the truth!

singlemalt_18 on January 8, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Even that leaves eight months of the Bush term, compared to eleven months of the Obama term before the EunuchBomber, in which to come to speed on an organization that had already conducted a string of terrorist attacks on American assets abroad. That’s a losing argument no matter how one slices it.

Fort Hood was less than 11 months into Obama’s term.

There is NO comparison to the information and context of terrorism available to Bush and Obama.

NONE.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM

The last person the libs want out front after a terror event is “America’s Mayor”. You go Rudy.

Marcus on January 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Rudy has a strong history of being a good leader, hard nosed prosecutor, and a guy who is tough on crime and terrorism. In that context, he gets a pass. Others who do not have that context, no pass.

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM

“We had no DOMESTIC attacks under Bush — we’ve had one under Obama.”

I think that Rudy meant to say that we have had no attacks from DOMESTIC TERRORISTS under Bush. The 9/11 plot was hatched in Hamburg and controlled from Afghanistan.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 8, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I don’t think Obama’s getting all this heat because of the failed EunuchBomber plot. It’s because of his cavalier, detached attitude towards radical Islam and the threat it poses to this country.

Despite all the outcry from the left and the media(I know, I’m being redundant), most Americans have no problem with waterboarding and think it should be used to interrogate terror suspects. Most Americans don’t think terrorists should have lawyers and access to civilian courts. Most Americans do believe we’re at war with radical jihadists. And most Americans don’t believe the system is working.

When we see Obama and his cohorts constantly appearing to be disengaged and out-of-touch with reality, THAT is the source of everyone’s frustration. The long waits at airports and fear over the security of our very lives are troubling enough. But when the commander-in-chief doesn’t seem to give a crap, you can excuse us for getting a little worked up.

The left can use every smear in the book against Bush(and they have). They can even blame him for 9/11(which many have). What they cannot do with a straight face is insinuate that from 9/11 through the end of his Presidency, he didn’t take the threat we face seriously and do everything in his power to defeat it. One can’t say the same for Obama through his first 11 1/2 months in office.

Doughboy on January 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Maybe Rudy meant that no attacks under Bush were blamed on the previous administration.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Even that leaves eight months of the Bush term, compared to eleven months of the Obama term

Of course Rudy meant after 9/11. And this comparison is apples and oranges, Ed. The systems, institutions and organization as well as new intell gathering tools weren’t in place prior to Bush as they were with Obama. And I don’t buy this ‘systemic failure’ bs crap either. It was a failure of people (probably newly appointed upper level administration who have the same top-down mindset as Obama) in the system to act on information and do the job they are paid to do. RE: Obama’s comment about assigning specific tasks indicates that the job descriptions that were in effect during the Bush years have now been changed or unclear due to a reorganization of roles and responsibilities.

Texas Gal on January 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Well, the obvious miss here is 9/11, which Giuliani should have understood still reflected on Bush the way the EunuchBomber reflected on Obama. One has to assume Rudy meant after 9/11
Of course he meant after 9/11.

And NO, the attacks of 9/11 were no reflection on Bush and are in no way even REMOTELY similar to the undie bomber.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

OF COURSE he’s aware of 9/11! Good Lord!

Does anyone will at least double-digit IQ think that Rudy has forgotten 9/11? To him, I’m sure 9/11 was when the world as he knew it began again.

Oink on January 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM

…we still have yet to determine whether the anthrax attacks in 2002 were terrorist attacks of a domestic or foreign nature.

I am still dumbfounded at that.

As for Rudy, this city would have been an absolute chaotic mess if not for his exemplary leadership in extraordinary circumstances. Not to mention totally turning the city around for the better during his tenure. The man did an amazing job.

JetBoy on January 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Doughboy on January 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Well said.

Bishop on January 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Jeez Ed, I never expected THIS from you…you know the “mountain out of a molehill” bit…or you as a nit picker…
America’s Mayor will never forget 911!

lovingmyUSA on January 8, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Giuliani could have ran for Gillibrand’s seat, or he could have run for Governor. But he seems more interested in publicity. Too bad. He should just go away.

alliebobbitt on January 8, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Another way to look at this is to use Jan 2009 as the defining date, the month Obama took office. Go backwards in time and see how long it was since there was a terrorist attack, during the Bush years. Then come forward from that date to the first attack. You can use the attack on the recruiting center, Ft. Hood, or the EunuchBomber.

I don’t have the dates, but I know it was a long time that we had a terrorist attack from Jan 2009 going backwards. The administrations changed and so did the number of attacks. Hopefully there were several that were thwarted in the past year that we forgot or were never told about, but the terrorists have now started to slip through.

CBP on January 8, 2010 at 1:56 PM

The problem here is Guiliani’s statement is made in the frame of mind that the war on terror started on 9/11. (It certainly started for Rudy on that day)

So from 9/11 forward, the Bush Admin kept the homeland secure.

portlandon on January 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM

It’s NOT about what he MEANT to say or anything like that. Don’t forget, when the right says something, ALWAYS take it at its word……when the LEFT says something, and it’s used against them, it’s ‘taken out of context’ and they meant something completely different…. Rudy obviously said what he meant and meant what he said. Got it?

/sarc

Sponge on January 8, 2010 at 1:59 PM

What if Sarah Palin had made this ridiculous remark?

She’d be slaughtered by the MSM.

omnipotent on January 8, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Oh come on, we all knew what Rudy meant and he is right. As for the sniper, I have been told time and again by all sorts of liberals etc that the man was not a terrorist, he was just your run of the mill crazy psycho. At least that is what they said at the time.

Bush did better at this because he was more serious about it all. I think that as time passed and nothing really bad happened here people became complacent.

Terrye on January 8, 2010 at 2:01 PM

The DC snipers, Mohammed and Son, don’t count because if you counted it, Bush would have a terror stain on his escutcheon. And the Lily White Bosnian Muslim avenger/martyr of Utah does not count because if you did, that would be a terror attack on Bushs watch. And the crazy lonely SUV Monkey Muslim Scholar hit and run driver doesn’t count because if you counted it, Bush would have a terror attack on his watch. And you can’t count the Fort Dix bunch of lonely crazy Muslims either because if you did, Bush would have a terror thingy attached to him. And you can’t count…………need I continue? Factional politics is as dangerous as Political Correctness in the long run.

BL@KBIRD on January 8, 2010 at 2:01 PM

And please, don’t anyone point to the August 2001 PDB.

That PDB was a summary largely based on a 1998 PDB.

(Notice the WaPo put this article on page 17, not page 1)

1998 Memo Cited Suspected Hijack Plot by Bin Laden

A secret intelligence document prepared for President Bill Clinton in December 1998 reported on a suspected plot by Osama bin Laden to hijack a U.S. airliner in an effort to force the United States to release imprisoned conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center attacks.

The 1998 document is “the most important PDB about hijacking published before 9/11,” Zelikow said. The Aug. 6, 2001, PDB prepared for President Bush mentioned 1998 intelligence concerning a plot by bin Laden “to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of ‘Blind Sheik’ Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.”

The 2001 PDB said intelligence officials “have not been able to corroborate” the plot reports from 1998.

The 1998 PDB is titled: “Bin Laden preparing to hijack U.S. aircraft and other attacks.”

I bring this up not to “blame” Clinton. But to this day the left and some misguided righties point to the August 2001 PDB as if it had information Bush should have acted on when it was in fact information from 1998.

Notice Zelikow of the 9/11 Commission cites the 1998 PDB as “the most important PDB” before 9/11. NOT the August 2001 PDB, but the 1998 PDB.

Everybody keep that in mind next time (and there will be one) someone brings up Bush getting a “memo” that he “ignored”.

Also see the prior cite where Bush had already demanded a plan be drawn up to eliminate rather than try and contain al Qaeda.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 2:02 PM

We didn’t have a “Homeland” until after September 11th.

Seriously, did anyone use that term?

Mr. Bingley on January 8, 2010 at 2:08 PM

We had no domestic attacks <[after 9/11] under Bush — we’ve had one under Obama.

Has he forgotten Ft. Hood?

MB4 on January 8, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Well, the obvious miss here is 9/11

Obviously he meant AFTER 9/11.

The Morning RINOs tried the same thing this morning on PMSNBC and Giuliani had clearly SAID “since 9/11.”

BTW I loved watching Rudy take Joe ScarbRINO and crew to task this morning. Excellent.

BlueStateBilly on January 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM

We should drop the notion that everything ran perfectly before January 2009 (a point Rudy started to make as well), and focus on pushing for more rational reforms and better performance instead.

V

The system worked.

/discussion

To further the point:

Richard Reid attempted to blow up an airplane headed to the US from Paris in almost the exact same manner that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab did coming from Amsterdam.

And security measures were changed quite quickly to account for this loophole. To which begs the question: why was a repeat of this allowed to occur under an administration that is just as quick to change its tone from Bush “War Against Terror” to a “War Against Global Crime”?

It’s one thing to find a new way to attack the US (hijacking our own planes, smuggling in substances to ignite prior to landing) and correcting our security after the fact to account for it, and quite another to supposedly have measures in place to account for it, relax said measures under a “new tone”, and have a repeat of terrorism that should have been prevented from the start.

Rudy was right. It’s as simple as that.

CatsGodot on January 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM

I’ll give Rudy a pass on this but the guy (guess the demographic) who shot up the El Al ticket counter at LAX on July 4th 2002 goes down as a domestic terrorist in my book. Interestingly enough that incident too was referred to as an isolated incident and a crime.

highhopes on January 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Rudy has a strong history of being a good leader, hard nosed prosecutor, and a guy who is tough on crime and terrorism. In that context, he gets a pass. Others who do not have that context, no pass.

ted c on January 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM

upding! That’s why I refuse to call Rudy a RINO. He gets a pass from me for showing us REAL leadership on 9/11 and in the days after 9/11. I fully trust the man on national security.

BlueStateBilly on January 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Does anyone REALLY think Giuliani “forgot” 9/11?
My God.
KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Exactly. Phony controversy, manufactured outrage.

rrpjr on January 8, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Why the hell does everyone on righty blogs conviently forget all the snipers, honor killings, mall shootings, and vehicle attacks that happened under Bush? We all read about it here on HA and hated the way these events were brushed aside as “not terror related”. We did not stand for these lies when our own was in office, why should we embrace the false narrative now that we are out of power? To make Obmasama look bad? He does that on his own. Pathetic…

abobo on January 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Why do people keep forgetting the shooting at the Recruiting office?

Was that Not terrorism?

Ft Hood wasn’t the first on O’s watch.

Obama has said that we’ve been fed a constant stream of fear mongering for 8 years and he wanted to change that. Now, he’s waking up to reality. About time.
He is in way over his head..and pay grade.

Also, the whole concept of “trying” people in the Bush admin for crimes/torture, etc. never helped the CIA or any other intelligence agency do their jobs.

We were told to worry about returning American soldiers who might commit terror. Uhhhh
We were told that the Tea Partiers were potentially very dangerous. I recall Nancy Pelosi tearing up over it. Waaahh

This administration is a freakin’ joke, no matter WHAT you think of Bush/Cheney.

bridgetown on January 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM

as Cary Grant would say: Rudy, Rudy, Rudy *shakes head*

ginaswo on January 8, 2010 at 2:17 PM

I like Rudy, but, seriously … this is an “Oops”.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2010 at 2:18 PM

abobo on January 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM

I agree. I don’t blame Bush or Obama. I blame the scumbag terrorists, but how we respond matters.
Obama is of the mindset that he made a speech in Cairo and healed the world. He is Wrong and needs to man up. They tried to tell us we weren’t at war. We had ‘overseas continge..I don’t even know the freakin’ words they used’
Pretending that Bush was perfect is silly, but the man knew we were at war with a dark evil in this world.
Obama thinks it was all fabricated or something, or so that’s how he has acted up until a day or two ago.
Maddening.

bridgetown on January 8, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Distraction. Take the heat of Joe Cool-in-Chief for a day.

tru2tx on January 8, 2010 at 2:20 PM

off, not of

jeez

tru2tx on January 8, 2010 at 2:21 PM

*shrug*

It’s a glaringly bad misstatement, but Rudy’s a critic, not the President.

Meanwhile, the we count the real CinC’s Obamateurisms of the Day.

RushBaby on January 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM

test

portlandon on January 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Well the media has perfected their intellectual assassin technique quite well. They are using Palin type attacks on all conservatives now. And like bloggers do, they run around gnashing teeth and ripping their robes in hysterics.

Rudy meant since 9/11

portlandon on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Why do people keep forgetting the shooting at the Recruiting office?

bridgetown on January 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Obama had a speech in Egypt a day after that so they had to keep their hands off the incident. I bet the perp was never even interrogated by the feds. Is it even being prosecuted in a federal court? I can’t find the court on google. It’s a huge scandal.

Buddahpundit on January 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Well the media has perfected their intellectual smear technique quite well. They are using Palin type attacks on all conservatives now. And like bloggers do, they run around gnashing teeth and ripping their robes in hysterics.

Rudy meant since 9/11

portlandon on January 8, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Obviously he meant AFTER 9/11.

The Morning RINOs tried the same thing this morning on PMSNBC and Giuliani had clearly SAID “since 9/11.”

BTW I loved watching Rudy take Joe ScarbRINO and crew to task this morning. Excellent.

BlueStateBilly on January 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM

I added bold…figured as much.

Love hearing Rudy was on whooping MSNBC butt this a.m. ~thumbs up~

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM

bridgetown on January 8, 2010 at 2:20 PM

You’re right, I should have made that more clear. There is obviously a difference between the two.

abobo on January 8, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Dems. say this kind of stuff all the time…..It is time to go to the wall.
Repubs. are the kindest, most honest, thriftiest, will keep you safer, and take care of you forever…..whatever it takes….Go Big G…go for it….It has been eight years of Dem lies and bat crazy statements….our soldiers kill, the war is lost, bush is hitler, blah blah….we need some repub statements.

nondhimmie on January 8, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Giuliani the goofball strikes again.

Dark-Star on January 8, 2010 at 2:42 PM

From a previous thread:

Napolitano: “What, you mean that there are people out there that want to kill Americans? And what’s this Al Qee….Al Quar….Al….Qerda?”

FFS, get some competent individuals in charge. Starting with the President (since, you know….”the buck stops [t]here”).

7 years of safety. Less than one under a new regime administration, and we barely avoid our first.

CatsGodot on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

(oops, wrong thread, sorry)

CatsGodot on January 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM

We did not stand for these lies when our own was in office, why should we embrace the false narrative now that we are out of power? To make Obmasama look bad? He does that on his own. Pathetic…

abobo on January 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Do you include the false narrative that was Obama’s campaign pledges, the representation of what his administration would do vis-a-vis transparency, or one of the many other ways the reality does not match the mythology of this administration?

Let’s remember that the narrative for the undiebomber was that the system worked perfectly.

highhopes on January 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM

It doesn’t really matter what the left thinks about Rudy at this point. Wait until Summer 2011, when the left falls in love with him again as they try once again to force him upon us as the GOP nominee.

Along with Bloomberg, McCain, Crist, Ridge, Huck. . .

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM

People are also quick to forget how much of those first 8 months of Bush’s tenure was spent in lawsuits, recounts, public denouncements and declarations that he wasn’t really president, court cases, pregnant chads, etc.
All taking place when he SHOULD have been able to assemble cabinets and enter the presidency.

Anyone who thinks all of that didn’t embolden AQ to strike is an idiot, and I still hold the MSM and Al Gore at least partially responsible for those attacks.

DrAllecon on January 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM

pretty sure the Reid bomber guy’s plane was still outside homeland territory when he pulled the shoe-fuse…

max1 on January 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM

As far as those who think that in a million years Rudy would “forget” about 9/11…go ahead, be a douche.

DrAllecon on January 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Giuliani needs to go hide in a hole the rest of his life. He’s such a disgrace. Maybe he can spend his last years finding a new wife and then divorcing his current wife publicly on TV for her to find out about it like the last one he left.

Thanks for putting the command unit for NYC in the basement of the World Trade Center Rudy, even against aggressive counsel to do so. Real political and tactical genius there Rudy :rolleyes:

[and did anyone forget that Rudy is a rabid pro-abort?]

JaqobJackson on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

The left lasted approx 2 weeks after 9/11 before reverting back to their 9/10 philosophy yet they dare to be critical of Rudy for misspeaking?

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM

[and did anyone forget that Rudy is a rabid pro-abort?]

JaqobJackson on January 8, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Not sure who would be worse, Rudy or McCain as POTUS, but that isn’t the topic.

BTW, he’s anti gun, too.

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Another point about Carlos Bledsoe, aka Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad; the Yemenis arrested him as a suspected terrorist, The Yemenis! They told us about it and we must have agreed to allow him back in the US since his passport was found to be a fake, they wouldn’t let him out of the country by his own arrangements. He meant to kill dozens of soldiers once he was here but he couldn’t hold his fire until he found a larger group of soldiers. The low body count is why the Obama people felt they could hide from this incident.

Buddahpundit on January 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM

At least Bush was pissed off, actually gave a damn and did something about it.

This drone attack thing is fine, but it’s not enough. Reminds me of Clintoon’s “response” after the first WTC bombing.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM

I bring this up not to “blame” Clinton. But to this day the left and some misguided righties point to the August 2001 PDB as if it had information Bush should have acted on when it was in fact information from 1998.

Notice Zelikow of the 9/11 Commission cites the 1998 PDB as “the most important PDB” before 9/11. NOT the August 2001 PDB, but the 1998 PDB.

Everybody keep that in mind next time (and there will be one) someone brings up Bush getting a “memo” that he “ignored”.

Also see the prior cite where Bush had already demanded a plan be drawn up to eliminate rather than try and contain al Qaeda.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Well, that being the case Zelikow should have probably brought that up when he served on Bush’s transition team, as part of the Foreign Intell Advisory Board.

LevStrauss on January 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM

As far as those who think that in a million years Rudy would “forget” about 9/11…go ahead, be a douche.

DrAllecon on January 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

9/11 first responders maybe, possibly 9/11 firefighters after he had the police deal with them, but not 9/11 itself.

LevStrauss on January 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Not sure who would be worse, Rudy or McCain as POTUS, but that isn’t the topic.

BTW, he’s anti gun, too.

ConservativeTony on January 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM

He’s also a cousinf#%ker.

LevStrauss on January 8, 2010 at 3:45 PM

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Dizzy? You must have been a Giuliani supporter.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM

McCain would have made a good POTUS. Giuliani makes a mighty wind.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Well, that being the case Zelikow should have probably brought that up when he served on Bush’s transition team, as part of the Foreign Intell Advisory Board.

LevStrauss on January 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM

This is all moot anyway, as the Left would never had let Bush prevent the 9/11 attacks-the only ways he could have done so would have been by using methods they would never have approved of.

Had he prevented them, they would have laughed and said he made it all up, and then Impeachment proceedings would begin.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Go, Rudy; If the libtards and their servile media can lie about Republicans, conservatives, and Tea Partiers, the Right can use the same tactic.
I don’t care if what Giuliani says is true or not; If it pisses off the liberals, Democrats, and their lock-step media, then keep it up. “F-em”.

Cybergeezer on January 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

BTW Norman’s great-grandfather Wolfman Blitz will be asking Rudy about this shortly.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Way to do, Rudy.

RedNewEnglander on January 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Way to do, Rudy.

RedNewEnglander on January 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Why do you condone his stupid remarks? He had a good point and blew it.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Couple things:

- The anthrax attacks occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001, not 2002 as stated here.

- Spetember 11 and the Shoe Bomber both occurred before the systems Bush put in place were up and running. September 11th was before anyone in government admitted we were at war.

That makes your statement here:

Well, the obvious miss here is 9/11, which Giuliani should have understood still reflected on Bush the way the EunuchBomber reflected on Obama.

completely inaccurate.

Obama knew from day one we were at war and promised a smarter fight against, well whoever, because he still doesn’t get that it is a radicalized group set toward Islamic Jihad that we are fighting, not just al Qaeda.

However, it should be pointed out that none of the attacks you mentioned occurred after we took the war to the terrorists in Iraq — hmmmm, I loves me some honeypot!

LifeTrek on January 8, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Lets see;

- Tax cuts expiring,
- Health care,
- Cap and Trade,
- New regulations,
- EPA,
- Financial regulations,
- Over reaching government,
- Bankrupt states needing to raise taxes

Hmmm, I have no idea why employers aren’t hiring.

LifeTrek on January 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Can someone tell me why Bush continues to take hits for 9/11 and “not connecting the dots” 9 months into his term, while Clinton gets very little mention in the way of censure from many and Obama damned near gets a complete pass?

To me, Obama’s screw up is FAR worse than anything you could pin on Bush because he became president when it was a known fact these scum were out there and operating, yet has largely ignored the issue in favor of currying favor with our enemies. There was red flag after red flag that should have gotten a response from this administration concerning these last two attacks, in fact, some of them quite specific. For Bush, however, there were some clues, but not a one nearly as specific, pointing to something in the works prior to 9/11, yet he’s hammered constantly, even on this website.

Yes, Rudy was mistaken or rather “misspoke” in this interview, however, I’m very rapidly tiring of those who have lumped Bush in with Obama on this issue. There is a WORLD of difference in the information Bush had compared to what Obama had. And Clinton blew several chances that would have prevented 9/11 which makes him, in my opinion, far more negligent than Bush ever was.

Mad Mad Monica on January 8, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Clinton has gotten plenty of heat for missing Bin Laden when he had the chance. For me that translates into SOME accountability for 9/11

But Bush should obviously shoulder most of the accountability for 9/11 – and for the lack of answers about the anthrax attacks.

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Terror Attacks Under Bush:

•July 27, 2008 – Jim David Adkisson shoots two persons in a Unitarian Church
•May 5, 2008 – Pipe Bomb detonated outside Federal Courthouse in San Diego
•March 7th, 2008 – Bomb detonated at Times Square Recruiting center in NY.
•March 2006 – Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
•October 1, 2005 – Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.
•October 2002 – John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks
•July 4, 2002 – An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
•May 2002: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest.
•January 5, 2002 – 15yo Charles Bishop, expressing sympathy for bin Laden, crashes his Cessna into a Tampa Florida Skyscraper
•December 12, 2001 – Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.
•December 22, 2001 – Richard Reid attempts to bomb flight 63
•November 2001 – Clayton Waagner mails powder-laden envelopes to 550+ Clinics, is convicted on 51 counts in 2003.
•September 2001 – 5 People Killed, 17 Infected by Anthrax laden letters, $250million spent cleaning up postal facilities.
•September 11, 2001 – 15 Saudis, 2, UAEs, 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese Hijackers kill 2,973 persons


Terror Attacks Under Obama:

•Christmas Underpants Bomber
•November 5, 2009 – Ft. Hood Gunman killed 13, injured 30.
•June 11, 2009 – White Supremacist Von Brunn kills woman at Holocaust Museum

harry on January 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM

harry on January 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM
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Shhhhhhh stop spreading facts.

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I may have missed some in both columns feel free to add. I, of course, could have included homegrown terror attacks such as the Tiller murder but as some don’t consider that a terrorist act, I’ll pass.

harry on January 8, 2010 at 4:59 PM

But Bush should obviously shoulder most of the accountability for 9/11 – and for the lack of answers about the anthrax attacks.

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM

First of all, Sheetrock, bin Laden himself said the 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen before the 2000 election.

Just curious-how would you have had Bush prevent the 9/11 attacks?

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:02 PM

harry on January 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Nice to see you kids playing so nicely.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:03 PM

First of all, Sheetrock, bin Laden himself said the 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen before the 2000 election.

Just curious-how would you have had Bush prevent the 9/11 attacks?

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:02 PM
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You don’t hold Bush accountable at all for 9/11?

WOW

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM

WOW

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM

translation:

“I can’t answer Del’s question”.

Thanks for playing!

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Nice to see you kids playing so nicely.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Was any part of my list incorrect Del? Feel free to add or subtract (with a valid reason).

Now one could say that Bush had 2.12 attacks per year and Obama, so far, has had 4. So, it’s pretty bad so far. However, if we want to get really ghoulish we start doing a body count and Bush comes out on top.

I think what I’m trying to say is that this whole argument of who took more or less hits is itself a bit ghoulish. Shouldn’t Americans be more concerned with fixing what’s broken and from the above lists it seems that it is badly broken, than fighting stupid partisan battles?.

harry on January 8, 2010 at 5:10 PM

bin Laden himself said the 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen before the 2000 election.

So you take the word of a terrorist when it comes to defending your partisanship. What was “supposed to happen” is irrelevant. What actually happened was the worst attack on American soil by terrorists in our nation’s history.

Parsing blame is stupid. We’re all targets.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Parsing blame is stupid. We’re all targets.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 5:13 PM

That’s right, I don’t think a Terrrorist is going to politely ask your political opinion before blowing your ass up.

harry on January 8, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Domestic terrorist attack doesn’t mean a terrorist attack on US soil…it means a terrorist attack made by a domestic terrorist. 9/11 doesn’t qualify since none of them were American citizens.

This is a case of smart things sounding dumb to dumb people.

James on January 8, 2010 at 5:39 PM

I think what I’m trying to say is that this whole argument of who took more or less hits is itself a bit ghoulish.

harry on January 8, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Says the guy who posted the list.

The fact that so many on the Left are going after Rudy for this shows who the ghouls are.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM

So you take the word of a terrorist when it comes to defending your partisanship.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 5:13 PM

The facts confirm what he said. His hatred of Clinton was legendary-after all, he specifically mentioned Billy Jeff by name in 1996 when he issued his Declaration of War against the US. Read the Fatwa yourself.

What happened was that Mohammed Atta told him they would need a lot more time to train. Obviously that extra training paid off, as 3/4 of the attacks succeeded.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Says the guy who posted the list.

The fact that so many on the Left are going after Rudy for this shows who the ghouls are.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Why does the list anger you so DEL, is it wrong?

You attack but have no argument.

harry on January 8, 2010 at 6:02 PM

LevStrauss on January 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Because he had access to a time machine?

Zelikow didn’t see it until he served with the 9/11 Commission.

In addition, that completely misses the point. Lefties have been pointing again in recent days to the August “memo” as if it was new information. It was not.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Dizzy? You must have been a Giuliani supporter.

The Race Card on January 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM

I’m a supporter of truth, facts and goodness. All foreign concepts to you, apparently.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 6:08 PM

This is all moot anyway, as the Left would never had let Bush prevent the 9/11 attacks-the only ways he could have done so would have been by using methods they would never have approved of.

Had he prevented them, they would have laughed and said he made it all up, and then Impeachment proceedings would begin.

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Exactly.

Worse than Impeachment, they would have pushed to have him tried war crimes and executed if he had actually taken steps like shoot down a domestic airplane with citizens on board.

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Just curious-how would you have had Bush prevent the 9/11 attacks?

Del Dolemonte on January 8, 2010 at 5:02 PM
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You don’t hold Bush accountable at all for 9/11?

WOW

Dave Rywall on January 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Got an answer to Del’s questions, Big Guy?

KittyLowrey on January 8, 2010 at 6:15 PM

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