WH: Hey, we inherited this terrorist recidivism
posted at 12:15 pm on January 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Greg Sargent thinks that the Obama administration makes a great point in their response to criticism over plans to send Yemenis in Gitmo back to a nation that practices catch-and-release with terrorists, either by choice or by default. The White House says that the terrorists that have gone back into AQ were all released by the Bush administration, which is undeniable, since the only ones released to Yemen have only just gone out the door:
One of the big stories of the morning — echoed widely by the news orgs and on the right — is that new government stats show that 20 percent of Gitmo detainees who have been released are thought to have returned to terrorist activity. The story is expected to complicate the politics of closing Gitmo.
But what if all those detainees were released under Bush, and not under Obama?
That’s the case that was made to me by a senior Obama administration official. He claimed that the administration doesn’t believe that any of the detainees released under Obama have returned to terror — because the Obama administration has a better screening process in place to determine which detainees pose a threat. …
To be sure, it’s hard to evaluate this claim. Much of the info involving these detainees remains classified. It might also be more compelling if the administration made it on the record. But it’s an angle on this story worth digging into. It could shed light on how much this recidivism story should actually matter when it comes to evaluating the Obama administration’s current approach.
Er, how much does it matter when Obama has determined to release all of the remaining Yemenis anyway? The administration isn’t being choosy at all. They only began releasing Yemenis a few weeks ago, and stopped after getting embarrassed when the EunuchBomber attack made the situation in Yemen impossible to dismiss. Until then, though, the White House had insisted publicly that they would eventually turn over all of the Yemenis except any involved in chargeable “crimes” back to the nearly-failed state of Yemen.
The fact that the recidivism applies to Bush-era releases is both undeniable and irrelevant. Obama has only been in office a year, and has only released a handful of Chinese Uighurs and the half-dozen Yemenis, along with a smattering of releases to Europe and Afghanistan. They haven’t been out long enough to track. It took a couple of years to see the terrorists claim their return to AQ operations.
The better question is whether the Obama administration will learn anything from the recidivism that we’ve confirmed (and the larger recidivism we should assume). I’m willing to stipulate that Obama shouldn’t get blamed for the earlier recidivism if he takes the obvious lesson and stops releasing terrorists from Gitmo as a result of the new data. If the administration thinks that the releases of those considered a safer bet in the early stages of emptying Gitmo means that releasing everyone else will get better results, then that certainly is an angle worth pursuing for media outlets — mainly for its insanity.









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It was a bad idea then, it is a bad idea now. Deal with the problem, don’t just keep blaming your predecessor for all your bad decisions.
TQM38a on January 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM
I swear, Obama’s re-election campaign slogan will be “IT’S STILL BUSH’S FAULT.”
I suppose it would be futile to remind these idiots that they were elected to FIX the problems they keep saying they inherited.
Aitch748 on January 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Too add to my post:
Of course that means you will actually have to make a decision rather than voting “present.” Something the One seems unable to grasp.
TQM38a on January 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM
So , it was wrong when Bush did it , but they will do it now again because “Bush did it too”.
Where’s change?
the_nile on January 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM
We should just shut up and let Obama clean up Bush’s mess.
kringeesmom on January 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Well, the guy on the ski slope was a Bush appointee.
That ought to provide Blame Bush material for at least a month.
ORconservative on January 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Weren’t we promised change from the Bush Administration’s mistakes?
Now culling the truly innocent from the actual terrorists is fine, and can be done through military tribunals, but actual terrorists should be held as unlawful combatants, not to be released until the war is way over.
rbj on January 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM
I feel like 8th graders are running things.
Metro on January 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM
I would laugh it this wasn’t so serious
JusDreamin on January 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Bush caved to constant pressure from the left and American Muslim groups. Ping. Pong.
Connie on January 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Now a solid A-
Denverslim on January 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Dear Leader thinks they love him and would do nothing to betray his understanding of their plight.
d1carter on January 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM
“Since you effed up, then don’t blame us for effing up worse.”
“Bush turned a $200 billion surplus into a $400 billion deficit, so if we run a decade of $1 trillion + deficits, don’t blame us.”
“Bush hired the current NCTC chief, so if we left him in place for a year while counter-terrorism lapses mounted, don’t blame us.”
“Bush already ‘shredded the Constitution’ with the Patriot Act and renditions, so if we continue the practice, don’t blame us.”
The list goes on and on ad nauseam.
notropis on January 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Do as I say, not as I do.
FontanaConservative on January 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM
We are fighting a war. In war, the battlefield tactics are constantly changing. The Obama administration simply has no clue as to how to fight this war.
Look for a lot of finger pointing from the Obama administration for the rest of it’s existance.
Freddy on January 7, 2010 at 12:25 PM
You must be joking.
VegasRick on January 7, 2010 at 12:25 PM
The Won is still waiting for Pelosi to come up with his Gitmo policy.
pedestrian on January 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I thought it was a joke too. I hope so :0
FontanaConservative on January 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Public opinion of Bush actually showed a rebound in a recent poll, didn’t it?
I’ll predict the “blame Bush” tactic will probably be counter-productive by the 2010 election, and certainly by the 2012 election.
Drained Brain on January 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM
WH: Hey, we inherited this terrorist recidivism
In other words, “We ignore history we are deeply familiar with, so we can repeat it.”
Dusty on January 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Hey, Mr. Obama….
You are THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
How about ACTING like it?!!!?
bridgetown on January 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Obama will continue to blame Bush right up to and beyond 2012
Kini on January 7, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Someone has “Daddy issues.”
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 7, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Guantanamo Bay Class of ’08, Now Released, Gathers for Class Reunion, Mass Destruction http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/guantanamo-bay-class-of-08-now-released.html
Mervis Winter on January 7, 2010 at 12:34 PM
I respectfully disagree. My son is in the 8th grade. He doesn’t make the excuses that this administration does.
Mr. D on January 7, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Who represented (pro-bono) the released terrorists in the first place? Where did the Bush administration receive the pressure to release them? For how long?
None of them were represented by Eric Holder’s law firm were they??? Hmmmmm?
Youngs98 on January 7, 2010 at 12:35 PM
By the way, they arrested a man of Palestinian descent on a different Northwest flight last night (Miami to Detroit). Right there on the plane, this guy yelled out: “I want to kill all the Jews.”
Emperor Norton on January 7, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Exactly. The underlying premise is to where shall blame be assigned when the recidivists, well, recidivate back into their old habits. It’s utterly irrelevant to continue the blame (bush) game because the underlying fact remains–there are people in our custody that, when released, are likely to resume plotting/executing terror attacks.
Ed’s question is the kicker–what is to be done about the recidivism after the shoutin’ is done on the blame game?
that’s the underlying question that must be tackled. Finger pointing is easy. Tackling tough problems like recidivist terrrorists is another, particularly after you’ve painted yourself in a corner with and EXORD to close gitmo.
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:35 PM
are you sure it wasn’t “I just spilled all of my cashews”…?
sarc/
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Wasn’t this the party that wanted terrorists released and DEMANDED SOCIAL JUSTICE that was being “denied” to them when they were in custody?
Wasn’t this the party that did pro-bono PR and legal representation for terrorists and criticized Bush for holding them?
Well, Bush listened (again, being “bipartisan”), and the results were predictable. So Obama is continuing it.
“Leadership.” Feel safer yet?
Good Lt on January 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Actually was think that Clintoon was 8th grade complete with the inappropriate sex. This is pure kindergarten
ORconservative on January 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM
If O’bama didn’t want to “inherit” this stuff, he should have just stayed in the Senate.
Del Dolemonte on January 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Grow up, Mr. President, just grow up!!!!
mobydutch on January 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM
thomasaur on January 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM
I wonder if the Obama Administration screening process involves having the detainees watch the Cairo speech with those Frank Luntz opinion dials.
myrenovations on January 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Sounds like Mr. President is in panic mode. He’s been caught in a whole bunch of lies in the past few weeks. He sure doesn’t want closing GITMO to become yet another one so come hell or high water by golly, he’s going to CLOSE it. And then the world will be safe. snort.
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Now is that not the biggest pile of steaming horse$hit?? You might as well go with ‘Obama cares more, and he is The One We’ve been waiting for!!’
BigWyo on January 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Letting these guys go is a bad idea. Sending them to the birth place of Osama bin Laden for rehabilitation is shear insanity.
How can our leaders be so stupid? Vote them all out. Every single one.
ROCnPhilly on January 7, 2010 at 12:41 PM
How about we keep GITMO open and bill the home countries of the Islamic Jihadis for their incarceration? ;)
Connie on January 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM
[Kini on January 7, 2010 at 12:32 PM]
The problem here, as opposed to a lot of other efforts to blame Bush, is that they know it’s unsound policy, wrong to do, and above all doing so poses an extreme threat to not only primarily to our people overseas but also those of us at home, yet they are using this excuse as an argument to continue the policy.
About the best gloss that can be put on this is “The Bush Admin were good at being idiots and damned if we aren’t gonna be experts at it.” That won’t work out well for them.
Dusty on January 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM
This has become Der Leader’s standard response.
Dire Straits on January 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM
“Well, yeah, but HE STARTED IT!!”
No matter how lame a candidate McCain was, 2008 does not reflect well on the judgment of the average American.
But you don’t need judgment to see lack of leadership. Before Barak Hussein Obama had any sort of power, he was merely philosophically retarded. And not everyone is really capable of figuring out that sort of thing.
But now that Obama is – for the first time in his life – in a position of executive authority, he is no longer being passively naive. His behavior has become actively infantile.
And you don’t have to look an inch below the surface to see that. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
logis on January 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM
No kidding! He’s such a buffoon…didn’t he know all these problems were going to become his the minute he took office? Guess he should have boned up a bit on Terror 101.
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Ever since Bush acknowledged the War on Terror in 2001, the left has pounded back about Gitmo before it was even built. Every year the courts where flooded with habeas corpus petitions until they got their way in 2008 where the SCOTUS ruled that habeas corpus extends to the detainees at Gitmo. Now we have to release potential combantants if we can’t learn of their connection in a timely matter.
What was to make Bush look evil will come around and bite the Left in their collective asses..and others too.
Electrongod on January 7, 2010 at 12:45 PM
how about we declare it the only Muslim nation in the western hemisphere that treats its people better than the countries that they came from. Better healthcare, food, clothing, prayer hours, padded prayer mats and lots of sunlight and exercise. Yep, outside of oil under their feet, it pretty much outdoes most middle Eastern countries in terms of taking care of its citizens.
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Starting with you
ToddonCapeCod on January 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Maybe it was the all the Jews.
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Boohes Fault? I thought that for the first part of the month the excuse for every screwup was supposed to be Racism?
Did they change the excuse
rotationsorry, “Hard Pivot”?Insert witty screen name here on January 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Exactly.
This is how the radical left has gotten as far as they have over the last 30 yrs. Its time to realize the tactic and stop reaching across the aisle, only to have the concession used as a small victory in the overall war, and then to demand some more.
Stop the insanity or we’re all screwed. Its not that hard. Be guided by principles and simply refuse to help mix up the poison thats meant to help kill you.
Itchee Dryback on January 7, 2010 at 12:47 PM
What a bunch of disgusting, squealing, liberal, excuse makers and whiners! President Bush released prisoners because of the wailing and gnashing of teath of the Democrat congress, the ACLU “rending their garments”, endless lawsuits and a stupid, stupid, decision from the SCOTUS, etc, etc, etc. He would have still kept Gitmo open and KSM and Abdulamullatab would get a military style guizzing……. Five seconds on a waterboard and little Abdul would be spilling his guts and be happy about it! We are not safe under this administration of cowards, hypocrits, and liars.
ultracon on January 7, 2010 at 12:47 PM
When the One is on his death bed, his last words will be, “It’s all Bush’s fault.”
TQM38a on January 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Well said–ultracon.
mobydutch on January 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM
For the life of me I can’t figure out why the left has not blamed Bush for Obama’s failed bid for the oylmpics in Copenhagen #1, and the defeat of a new Kyoto in Copenhagen #2. I thought those would be no-brainers for Bush to get the blame for.
Johnnyreb on January 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM
They still haven’t forgiven Bush for starting World War I, have they?
Vashta.Nerada on January 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM
wow.
I wonder if these were the kids that were the baby of the family and got away with everything because their parents were too tired to dealw ith them … and when they didn’t get their way they just whined.
That is my theory and I am sticking too it.
upinak on January 7, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Drinking 10 beers before you drive is bad…knowing that, understanding that, analyzing that, socializing that, and then drinking 40 beers before you drive is 4 times as bad.
Smart Power.
Alden Pyle on January 7, 2010 at 12:50 PM
rumor has it that there were several hawaiian shave ice headaches that bush is taking the heat for these days. I hear he has a friend that may have stock in ice making equipment./s
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I think Mr. President should just start bringing a mop to his pressers, so at least he has a prop when he starts whining about Bush’s messes.
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Welcome to Obama’a “Eddie Haskell” approach to governing….”Nothing is ever my fault!”
olesparkie on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
the enquirer would start reporting on how jealous that TOTUS was getting….
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Dude, I’d be ecstatic if 8th graders were running things…
Bruno Strozek on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Yes, Obama needs a mop prop, but he would be too lazy to use it.
mobydutch on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Just like I said a few days ago. The Liberals would blame Bush even though they were the ones who pressured Bush into releasing the recidivist terrorists.
OxyCon on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Boy – closing Gitmo seems like a great idea now, doesn’t it, Barry?
Good Lt on January 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Back in the 80′s I took over as the head football coach at a high school with a floundering program. (2-28 the previous 3 seasons). We won five games my first year. I could have easily blamed the five losses on my predecessor’s mis-management of the program but I didn’t. This was my team. I applied for the job. It takes character to accept responsiblity for one’s own actions or inactions…something our esteemed president lacks.
sdd on January 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Wasn’t it Bush who invented terrorism in the first place?
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Painter, meet corner. Please pause, while the paint you’ve just applied, dries over the next 3 years.
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM
If the Left and their allies in the corrupt media establishment weren’t all over Bush how many of those bastards do you think he would have released. People know who’s responsible no matter how much the most unaccountable Administration in history points fingers.
TheBigOldDog on January 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM
But the question is, how many Yemeni terrorists will Obama, the Lincoln-Jesus, save or create?
TXUS on January 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Here’s the latest press release from the White House. “Blah,blah,blah. Bush’s fault. Blah,blah. Bush’s fault. Blah.”
vcferlita on January 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Insanity, doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.
Obama think, doing the same actions which didn’t work with the last administration, but doubling down… or going all in….
Romeo13 on January 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM
All great leaders do this, remember how Churchill used to drone on and on about Chamberlain and Lord Halifax..oh, wait.
Caper29 on January 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM
<blockquoteted c on January 7, 2010 at 12:54 PM
And some would call my suggestion racist!
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM
wha?
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM
And that process is…what? Openness and transparency would seem to dictate that perhaps he would share with the citizens just how this better screening process works. Or perhaps it is too embarrassing to show President Toonces consulting a magic eight ball.
At “Conservative Talk” forum you can create your own discussion threads in an environment where liberal trolls are treated properly, as the masochistic community punching bags that they are meant to be. You can go there by clicking on my name.
trapeze on January 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Actually, I think they did both. Here’s a link to the first.
I’m still searching for a link to the second.
notropis on January 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Nervus–we can always count on you! :)
lovingmyUSA on January 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM
This is what happens when the immates are in control…
lovingmyUSA on January 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
A 230 grain aspirin is a good cure for recividism.
1921 C DRUM on January 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Ed, that gives me an idea.
I think that any Jihadis who we capture should immediately be injected with one of those subcutaneous “chips” like we put into dogs and cats. They are, after all, animals.
Maybe in their case we could use a larger chip that could be tracked by GPS or something. That would allow us to both identify them and track their location and activities.
Of course the current “administration” would never allow it. They would view it as a violation of the terrorists’ civil rights.
UltimateBob on January 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Why, yes. In fact, he did it right after inventing blunt sticks. He thought about inventing harsh language and strongly worded letters, but didn’t see a future in it.
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
You can’t tell Mr. President to get a mop without someone calling you a racist, is what I meant.
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
hahaha. He invented nucular too. Remember all the ridicule he got over that? I miss that guy.
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM
had me scared there–i just meant that a prop, any prop, outside of totus, would lead totus to feel jealous b/c he wasn’t getting all the attention and “face time” if you will. /s
ted c on January 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Racist.
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Let’s take a peek at an added inference: If not for Bush, those released from Gitmo would never have gone back to their jihad, right? Is that what the WH is trying to also infer?
Liam on January 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM
So is a hellfire missile. :)
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Maybe, just maybe it’s time Obama started worrying about what the next Prez is going to inherit from him. Looks like it might be pretty bad!
jeanie on January 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM
OMG, that’s why we don’t have any candidates yet!
scalleywag on January 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM
Liberals 2003-2008: “Close GITMO! Send the detainees home! No indefinite detention! GITMO=Abu Ghraib! Free the freedom fighters!”
Liberals 2010: “Bush did it! He let the terrorists go! It’s Bush’s fault! No more releases from GITMO! Only place to keep terrorists is GITMO!”
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM
Scarey isn’t it. Just imagine being the person who has to undo all this insanity.
jeanie on January 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM
You assume The One accepts that there will be a “next President”.
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM
In the year 2010, we have the Obama administration, where George Bush is still President of the United States.
Sounder on January 7, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Wow. Here it is, Jan 7, and already we have the HA Quote of The Year.
h/t!
BobMbx on January 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM
Bush released the Gitmo detainees he was forced into releasing by the ACLU cabal..Obama is the ACLU, he gave himself recidivism.
Speakup on January 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM
Yep, and insanity is hereditary, we get it from our kids.
Fighton03 on January 7, 2010 at 1:19 PM
It’s sad to admit, but I wish it were so….
Fighton03 on January 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM
Okay! Ethical and legal question here. If Obama has himself cloned(which I’m sure he would if he could), would he be considered a new person and not subject to the two terms rule?
jeanie on January 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM
It’s shocking to learn it’s all Bush’s fault, isn’t it?
notagool on January 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM
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