Gitmo prisoners may resist transfer to Illinois

posted at 2:20 pm on January 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

What’s worse — living in a secure facility in the tropics where some reasonable social interaction exists, or living in a Supermax facility in icy weather under almost-constant constant lockdown?  Mark Hemingway notices a key tidbit in a report on Gitmo from Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff that suggests the Gitmo detainees may sue to stay right where they’re at:

But the final irony is that many of the detainees may not even want to be transferred to Thomson and could conceivably even raise their own legal roadblocks to allow them to stay at Gitmo.

Falkoff notes that many of his clients, while they clearly want to go home, are at least being held under Geneva Convention conditions in Guantánamo. At Thomson, he notes, the plans call for them to be thrown into the equivalent of a “supermax” security prison under near-lockdown conditions.

“As far as our clients are concerned, it’s probably preferable for them to remain at Guantánamo,” he says.

Um, aren’t conditions at Gitmo supposed to be a national embarrassment?  Aren’t they so bad that it serves as a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda, which apparently really rankles our Chief Executive?  Think maybe that’s overblown just a tad?

The strident left-wing critiques of the Guantanamo facility have all centered around the fact that detainees there are horribly mistreated and conditions unbearable. But when push comes to shove, it would seem concerns about Guantanamo are overblown, and the prisoners there know that being held under the Geneva conventions outside the U.S. is much preferable to a maximum security prison in the U.S.

Would it be the height of irony if the courts blocked a transfer of inmates from Gitmo on the grounds that the new facility violates Geneva Convention standards — and that Gitmo and the military commissions systems meet them?  Indeed it would, if the administration ever tries to make the transfer at all.  The prison won’t be ready until 2011, and by that time, a new Congress will be much less likely to allow the transfer, as Isikoff points out in his blog post.

Let’s root for irony, shall we?

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LMFAO… Irony!

What would the protestors think?

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Now, that is just hilarious.

jewells45 on January 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM

They should welcome the transfer to a federal prison in illinois, it is easier to get out.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Considering the weather we have been experiencing here in the midwest, it’s no small wonder they want to stay right where they are.

jewells45 on January 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Oh, this is just too funny.
LMAOROF!

OmahaConservative on January 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don’t throw me into that thar briar patch!

DrAllecon on January 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Gitmo detainees may sue to stay right where they’re at:

That is the funniest thing that I have heard today.

farright on January 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Maybe Obamoa wants Gitmo for some freaky naughty parties with Ayers and his kinked out school czar?

Hening on January 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

But…but…but, the prisoners are treated horribly there! It’s a recruiting tool! /lib

kingsjester on January 7, 2010 at 2:25 PM

If I saw the weather reports of the part of the US, I’d probably resist too.

Not to mention the loss of all those ‘comfy’ perks.

They don’t call it Club Gitmo for nothing.

CPT. Charles on January 7, 2010 at 2:25 PM

It’s a little cold in Illinois during the winter months and getting 1 hour in the yard while wearing a diaper on your head and a bed sheet fashioned into a dress could prove to be a tit bit nippley.

milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM

It’s a little cold in Illinois during the winter months …

milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM

I was little cold during the past summer too.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Obama, Idiot in Chief

bridgetown on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Why not implant GPS tracking devices in each inmate, set them free in Yemen and have fun tracking them down with drones?

anticucho on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

It’s a little cold in Illinois during the winter months …

milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM

I was little cold during the past summer too.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Oh, you two.. stop being GIRLY MEN!

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

could conceivably even raise their own legal roadblocks to allow them to stay at Gitmo.

Where can I contribute their legal defense fund because I sure don’t want them here.

Knucklehead on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Hmmm What’s zero going to do now, Force them to IL. Hey Zero should know the terrorist have rights. If they want to stay there that is their right.

Brat4life on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Where is the liberal outrage over this?

farright on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Little Dicky Durbin ain’t gonna be pleased with this snafu

Rovin on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Would it be the height of irony if the courts blocked a transfer of inmates from Gitmo on the grounds that the new facility violates Geneva Convention standards — and that Gitmo and the military commissions systems meet them?

I wonder if this was not the plan from the beginning? Imagine if you will, the LLL wanting SCOTUS to rule that prisons in the US are not living up to the conditions imposed by the Geneva convention, and we are awarding cruel and unusual punishment by sending people to super max prisons. And then SCOTUS imposing “conditions” that have to be met before a prisoner transfer takes place. The ACLU would be all over the entire prison system in the US as unconstitutional.

Johnnyreb on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Muzzie killers want to stay in Gitmo
so that AQ can have something to show in their recruiting ads

macncheez on January 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Glad they gave the unlawful combatants access to our court system now, aren’t the Lefties?

Lets stick em on a boat and sail them to international waters and then, uh, the boat totally sank unexpectedly or something. And our guys managed to get out, and into life boats. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Neo on January 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Uh… they can do that?

We sure don’t treat war prisoners the way we used to, eh?

No more fighting hungry bears in the arena, or 20 hour days digging in the mine.

We’re bastards. No doubt.

12thMonkey on January 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Send them to Thomson. And for, excercise let them run with the deer across the highway…during hunting season.

kingsjester on January 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

How about 100 miles outside Nome, Alaska? I’m not taking about facility, I’m just stating that we should leave them out there in the middle of winter. Or….

Polar Bear food. Save the Polar Bear feed them a terrorist.

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

It’s only Thursday. What on earth could be funnier? Each day this week has been more comical than the day before.
Oh geez! Start the transfer and fire up more popcorn.

ORconservative on January 7, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Oh, you two.. stop being GIRLY MEN!

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

This past cold summer meant the President golfed more than me…and that sucks!

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:31 PM

I’m assuming they get the Weather Channel down at Club Gitmo.

Maybe we can split the difference. Winters in paradise, summers on Martha’s Vineyard.

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:31 PM

No, no, no, it’s Stockholm Syndrome. The poor little buggers being held there have bonded with their wicked tormentors. And after having grown up in their poor/disenfranchised native countries are just accustomed to the place they’ve been forced to call “home” for the past few years.

/moonbat

red winger on January 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM

But, But, But I thought Sen Dickie Turban wanted them in IL to stimulate the economy.

OmahaConservative on January 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Polar Bear food. Save the Polar Bear feed them a terrorist.

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Why do you want to kill the Polar Bears! What have they ever done to you!!!!

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Where can I contribute their legal defense fund because I sure don’t want them here.

Knucklehead on January 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Holy sh*t! Andy Martin just had a commercial on Rush accusing Kirk of pedophilia. This Andy Martin is a sick sick man.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Another Obamateurism of 2010 nomination…and it’s only January 7!

MNHawk on January 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Aren’t the words PRISONER & RESIST kind of like…..antonyms/

Ris4victory on January 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Smart power!

mwdiver on January 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM

But they have to be moved to US soil so that they can experience all of their constitutional protections.

farright on January 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Oh, you two.. stop being GIRLY MEN!

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:27 PM

It’s only really cold when the buggers in your nose freeze. I grew up in Iowa, I know about buggers freezing. HAHA!

milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:37 PM

BHO: “That is not the Gitmo I thought I know.”

mwdiver on January 7, 2010 at 2:38 PM

LOL

WisCon on January 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Holy sh*t! Andy Martin just had a commercial on Rush accusing Kirk of pedophilia. This Andy Martin is a sick sick man.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Did you read this?
A week ago, Mr. Kirk announced a “solid rumor” that Kirk was homosexual. That announcement led to his official rebuke by the Illinois GOP, whose chairman Pat Brady called his claims “bizarre” and “hate-filled.”

Knucklehead on January 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Seems like everyone is opposing Dear Liar these days.

For once I agree with the Gitmo detainees. OK, it isn’t even 3 pm yet and I need a drink.

rbj on January 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Why do you want to kill the Polar Bears! What have they ever done to you!!!!

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM

I offering to save the Bears. We could feed the Bears terrorists from Gitmo. Look ma, no evidence!

Only a dream…..

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM

“Those ungrateful bastards! After all I have done for them . . .” — Barack Hussein Obama 2010

BigAlSouth on January 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Another Solid B+!!!

Can we have our stupid president back, please?

jukin on January 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM

BHO: “I can no more disown Gitmo than I can my own white grandmother.”

mwdiver on January 7, 2010 at 2:43 PM

C’mon, it’s only icy in the winter. In the summer it’s hot and uncomfortably humid.

Sheerq on January 7, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Knucklehead on January 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Yeah. That was Andy Martin’s commercial last week, accusing Kirk of being a homosexual. Andy Martin was in FL about 8 years ago…curious of lorien1973 heard of him. Martin is just a sick man.

I will vote for Hughes on Feb 2 (and Proft for Gov), but if Kirk wins, he has my vote in Nov.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Gitmo prisoners may resist transfer to Illinois

Having lived in IL and knowing what Northern IL is like I can’t honestly blame them.

Chaz706 on January 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM

I offering to save the Bears. We could feed the Bears terrorists from Gitmo. Look ma, no evidence!

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Their beards are bad for the Polar Bears’ digestive track.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Barack Obama doesn’t care about brown people.

MadisonConservative on January 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

It will be interesting to hear Obama’s reaction to this.

farright on January 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Let’s see. They can hang out on the beach in Cuba, or in the frozen tundra of Illinois. Tough choice.

The real shame, of course, is that we might actually allow their wishes to affect our choice of where to put them.

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I’ve always wondered if the detainees had any idea what kind of fun was in store for them. Other then the threat and/or reality of the occasional hurricane, GITMO is a much better deal. I hope they strike.

Cindy Munford on January 7, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I can only assume that the jihadis are troubled by the corruption in Illinois.

Mr. D on January 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Knucklehead on January 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Who are these people?

Cindy Munford on January 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM

This may not be as funny as it sounds. These people may want to stay at Gitmo because there are double agents and sympathizers working there who are helping them stay in touch with their Al Qaeda masters.

Then again, maybe they have seen “Escape from Alcatraz” and they want no part of a real U.S. prison. :-)

rockmom on January 7, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Yeah. That was Andy Martin’s commercial last week, accusing Kirk of being a homosexual. Andy Martin was in FL about 8 years ago…curious of lorien1973 heard of him. Martin is just a sick man.

I will vote for Hughes on Feb 2 (and Proft for Gov), but if Kirk wins, he has my vote in Nov.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Wasn’t that the guy who was caught in FL, because he was going to have sex with a child… but he was talking to a officer on the internet and when the officer and police dept figured out who he was.. it went super quiet?

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

I think this is a good time for some Steven Crowder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJygJQNQHkw

mwdiver on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Here’s a fun fact, Obama has pushed back his comments on the failed attack on Christmas day. Now at 4:30 est. He was supposed to comment at 3:00 est.
Cue Arsenio Hall……Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.

milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Who are these people?

Cindy Munford on January 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Mark Kirk, Andy Martin, and Phil Hughes are running for the GOP Senate nomination. The election is on Feb 2. Kirk is a IL-GOP rep that voted for cap-n-trade. Andy Martin is appearently a sick person in the head. Hughes talks the most conservative of the three.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Let’s see……

Would I prefer the balmy breezes of Cuba or the icy, dull chill of a prison in Ill? Would I prefer dealing with the US military (the guys I already know) as opposed to some goons hired by the Feds in Chicago? Who provides the best food? Who is likely to beat my ass as opposed to serving me fresh baklavah and telling me which way to pray to allah? What happens if I toss a Gitmo cocktail at some Chi-town neanderthal who doesn’t understand that I simply have to do these things to prove that I’m a messenger of a false god?

Hmmmmmm…………. Gitmo rocks!

GITMO ueber alles!!!

Cody1991 on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Maybe they can really save the Bears. Can any of these jihadis play wide receiver?

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Wasn’t that the guy who was caught in FL, because he was going to have sex with a child… but he was talking to a officer on the internet and when the officer and police dept figured out who he was.. it went super quiet?

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

That vaguely sounds correct. This Andy Martin has a very checkered past from what little I hear. Sad that the IL-GOP attracts jokers like Andy Martin and Alan Keyes (though Alan was invited by the IL-GOP).

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Maybe they can really save the Bears. Can any of these jihadis play wide receiver?

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

The Bears need help on the O-line. Maybe their stink can repel the opponents defense.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM

What’s riotously funny is that Obama and McCain were all about the Geneva Conventions. But I’m not sure either has read or understand them.

Prisoners of WAR are treated much differently than Supermax prisoners, because POWs have done nothing wrong. They fought for their country and lost. That’s the status some in this country have wanted to give detainees.

Supermax prisoners are generally kept in solitary cells, and have only limited contact with other prisoners. That’s much closer to the Hanoi Hilton’s accomodations.

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Mark Kirk, Andy Martin, and Phil Hughes are running for the GOP Senate nomination. The election is on Feb 2. Kirk is a IL-GOP rep that voted for cap-n-trade. Andy Martin is appearently a sick person in the head. Hughes talks the most conservative of the three.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Yet another example of the GOP taking advantage of opportunities, eh?

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Bwaaaaa! I wanna go to Bermuda … and wear my shorts!

max1 on January 7, 2010 at 3:01 PM

I’ve alwayz said RON KUBBAAY IS GONNA HAVE A PAR-TAY.

TC@LeatherPenguin on January 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Yet another example of the GOP taking advantage of opportunities, eh?

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM

It will probably not effect the general election given that IL foolishly holds its primary 9 months before the general election. Once the primary happens the winning candidates do not do much media stuff and focus on fundraising. They usually do not resurface until August. By then, this stupid stuff is forgotten.

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Maybe they can really save the Bears. Can any of these jihadis play wide receiver?

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Hamid you run 5 yards out to the left then blow up. Farouk you run 10 yards to the left and then blow up.

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

What a bunch of fruitloops in charge in DC. Since when do prisoners get to choose where they will be held? I’d rather be on a tropical island, too, but I don’t think they have a vote in the matter. Oh, wait, when universal voter registration is passed, they will.

Kissmygrits on January 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The weather and fine treatment is exactly why Rush calls our detention facility at Guantanamo Bay CLUB Gitmo.

I was wondering when the Club’s inmates would finally speak out against leaving their tropical climate and almost unlimited outdoor exercise and prayer time.

marybel on January 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The prisoners know full well that Gitmo is basically a country club compared to a major prison. In fact virtually every correspondent who has visited Gitmo has said the same thing.

patrick neid on January 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

They must get the Weather Channel at Gitmo. Would you trade rather be on an island in the Caribbean or upstate Illinois?

thomasaur on January 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Don’t you be dissing Jammie, fool.

TC@LeatherPenguin on January 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Maybe they can really save the Bears. Can any of these jihadis play wide receiver?

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Hamid you run 5 yards out to the left then blow up. Farouk you run 10 yards to the left and then blow up.

Oil Can on January 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Their own Jihad Football team?

WTF would it be called? Gitmo Grenades?

upinak on January 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Maybe they can really save the Bears. Can any of these jihadis play wide receiver?

JammieWearingFool on January 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

No but they can blow a hole big enough to drive a truck through.

thomasaur on January 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM

How tragic! This puts the kibosh on the Hope and Change Jobs Program at the Thompson Correctional Facility.

*wipes tears from eyes*

Buy Danish on January 7, 2010 at 3:12 PM

HA Hah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

That’s a Peace Prize!

Alden Pyle on January 7, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Here’s a fun fact, Obama has pushed back his comments on the failed attack on Christmas day. Now at 4:30 est. He was supposed to comment at 3:00 est.
Cue Arsenio Hall……Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.
milwife88 on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

You big silly! Obama just has an impromptu last minute, pick-up basketball game. He missed his gym call this morning.

Keep us waiting? The blessed One?

No way!

Unless… something happened to… TOTUS. NOW, I’m worried.

marybel on January 7, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Was this meant to be a palate cleanser? Because I am MENTOS fresh now!!

alohapundit on January 7, 2010 at 3:15 PM

I would have suggested integrating these guys into the general population at the Louisiana State Prison at Angola or Parchman Farm in Mississippi.

molonlabe28 on January 7, 2010 at 3:19 PM

WashJeff on January 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Oh good grief. This is the kind of food fight that almost makes you happy with the northeastern moderates. Everybody loves classy.

Cindy Munford on January 7, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Hey Gitmo Prisoners, here’s a broadcast message for you!

With the exception of BIG DICK Durbin and some of his local Democrat and RINO flunkies, NO ONE ELSE IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS WANTS YOUR SORRY BLOODTHIRSTY MURDERING TERRORIST BUTTS HERE!

Just thought you assclowns would like to know.

pilamaye on January 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Think maybe that’s overblown just a tad?

Big news! I expect to see this all over the evening news for days to come
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JusDreamin on January 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Dogs and cats are indeed, living together.

catmman on January 7, 2010 at 3:30 PM

The more I live under Obambi’s thumb, the more I realize that George W. Bush was a GENIUS!

kurtzz3 on January 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM

I recall when the GITMO hyperventilating occurred a few years back – any easy comparative was to say “go to your local prison, state or fed and tell me how great things are”

Oddly and ironically enough – fast forward to now – and it appears the GITMO folks know whats in store in a SuperMax facility. Also ironic – GITMO detainees are threatening our Gov with the very thing people feared would happen .. due process in Americas court system.

Will Holders buddies and former law firm benefit from this charade of national security????

You bet your ass they will…

Odie1941 on January 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Okay, let’s take a different viewpoint on this. (And not that I’m agreeing that this is the case in this specific situation–far from it)

Let’s say you’re an enemy combatant. You’re held on an island offshore from your enemy. Let’s also say that conditions are horrible, but you know that representatives from other nations have access to you, can monitor you, and can report how terrible the conditions are.

Then you’re given an option: you can either stay there, or be shipped to the heart of said enemy territory, wherein (as you would assume) your ability to report on the terrible conditions–which are probably going to be a thousandfold worse–will be nonexistent. Doubly-so, knowing that, if you were mixed in with the population of the inmates native to said enemy territory, your lifespan would be about as short as a fruitfly’s.

We know this report is ironic, because we know that the statements made by those held at Gitmo are full of BS, and their whining has brought them from the fire to the frying pan. However, if you actually buy into their BS, you can see how this isn’t ironic in the least, and can see why they’d want to resist any transfer to begin with.

CatsGodot on January 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM

What’s worse — living in a secure facility in the tropics where some reasonable social interaction exists, or living in a Supermax facility in icy weather under almost-constant constant lockdown?

Since you put it that way, Ed…. Maybe closing GITMO isn’t such a bad idea at all!

UltimateBob on January 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM

HEADLINES

Obama inadvertently tortures Gitmo detainees – by sending them to Illinos!

Obama: the new Pol Pot!

Mr_Magoo on January 7, 2010 at 3:46 PM

It’s probably against Islamic law for a jihadi to wear an apron, esp one with “Leroy’s b*tch” embroidered on it.

smellthecoffee on January 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

But…but…but, the prisoners are treated horribly there! It’s a recruiting tool! /lib

kingsjester on January 7, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Maybe it’s a recruiting tool, but not in the way Obama thinks. “And even if you are caught, you get to spend your days in the glorious sunshine of Club Gitmo! There’s soccer, a gym, wonderful food, and fellowship with your brothers in Islam. We like to call Gitmo our Leadership Training Retreat!”

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

The more I live under Obambi’s thumb, the more I realize that George W. Bush was a GENIUS!

kurtzz3 on January 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM

He did, at least, understand the requirements of the Geneva Conventions, and the opposing need to question prisoners.

hawksruleva on January 7, 2010 at 4:15 PM

That’s not funny. You don’t live in Illinois.

MarkT on January 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I’ve just reversed my opinion.
If the terrorists are against it, I’m for it. Let em freeze their cajones off in Illinois instead of the little American tropical paradise in Cuba.

chickasaw42 on January 7, 2010 at 4:41 PM

too funny
*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on January 7, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Hmmmm.

You know this might lead to a new solution:

Build a new Gitmo facility in the Aleutian Islands!

Frankly I don’t see why we need to give these bastards a good time in the tropical sun. Stick’em where the sun, literally for half the year, doesn’t shine!

memomachine on January 7, 2010 at 5:09 PM

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