Video: Scarborough gives an “Amen!” to Hume
posted at 1:50 pm on January 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Why start an argument if you can’t stretch it out? Greg Hengler clips this vid from today’s Morning Joe, in which Scarborough manages to annoy everyone else on the panel by defending Brit Hume and his advice to Tiger Woods. Or is he?
I watched this a couple of times, and I couldn’t be sure whether Joe was actually defending Hume or doing a satire of a defense of Hume. He starts off by noting that there is nothing wrong with talking about the transformative power of faith, which is certainly true. However, he drops that argument to start dropping non-sequiturs from “Amazing Grace” when his panelists attempt to debate whether Hume meant to argue that or suggest that only conversion to Christianity would keep Tiger Woods from philandering, which seems more like a bad satire of how the non-religious believe that Christians debate theology, philosophy, and politics. The clear annoyance of the panel at this tactic suggests that Scarborough was sincere … which may be worse.
For a better example of how Christians debate, read The Anchoress’ take on the Hume testimony:
Should Hume have said what he did, on the air? I am a little ambivilent about it.
On one hand, as a Christian, I admire it; Hume put himself out there, as “a fool for Christ,” willing to face ridicule and scorn for his faith. On the other hand, I’m not comfortable with the venue. I don’t think I would like it if, for example, Christopher Hitchens suggested to Tiger, “don’t worry about it, there is no God, anyway,” or if some Muslim used a news broadcast to suggest that Woods should turn to Islam. As the writer at Americablog suggested, minding the salvation of Tiger Woods this is not Hume’s job as a newscaster.
It is his job as a Christian, however, and Hume might have done better, in a host of ways, by contacting Woods privately, and offering to pray for him (as he is likely already doing) and perhaps introducing Woods to the Good Shepherd, in the process.
I’m a bit ambivalent about it as well; Kevin McCullough and I debated yesterday on TEMS. Normally, as The Anchoress notes, this kind of testimony and conversion would take place privately if it was directed at an individual, even one as public as Woods. However, I see the moment as a fairly powerful opportunity for Hume to share his own personal journey as a Christian. Whether or not that was appropriate to the venue would be Fox News’ call to make. And as for the analog to Hitchens, I doubt that Hitch would be reluctant at all to make that kind of a statement on national TV, given the opportunity, regardless of the circumstances.
On the whole, I think I’d rather have Hume than Scarborough making the argument — but if Joe was being sincere, then good for him for defending Hume.
Blowback
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I love The Anchoress. She almost sets the right tone.
SouthernGent on January 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM
good for Brit and Joe. There’s no where in the world where we are free from persecution for encouraging others to turn toward Christ. Venue shmenue…
ted c on January 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Nothing about Joe Scarborough is sincere.
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM
She almost ALWAYS sets the right tone.
SouthernGent on January 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM
To me Scarborough never comes off as sincere in anything he says…and the bigger question is, why is everyone still fussing over this? Aren’t there bigger things to get worked up over?
Emily M. on January 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Hitchens interjects his atheism into EVERYTHING. Brit, one time, offers advice on a private matter (having nothing to with national politics or policy) and the world is set ablaze.
Talk about a non-issue.
What’s next?… “Thomas Jefferson mentions ‘Creator’ and ‘Nature’s God’ in official Congressional document!!”
mankai on January 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM
but I guess this is our opportunity *feign outrage* that Joe didn’t reach out to beyonce’ or gaddhafi too…. ;)
ted c on January 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Hah.
Emily M. on January 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM
When I first heard about the Hume comment, I thought that Hume was doing a satire on all the criminals who seek clemency, if not outright negation of guilt, by claiming to have found religion.
Ira on January 5, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Maybe we can turn this around.
If it’s okay for us to talk about how many hotties have been playing ballwasher for Tiger over the last few years, then it’s got to be okay for us to talk about how best Tiger could see his way through this mess, help his marriage, his children, and his career.
Say it ain’t so/?
ted c on January 5, 2010 at 1:58 PM
I’m with Hume.
I’d rather Hume have said what he said AND let everyone else come out of the woodwork suggesting their atheism or religion if they want.
Daggett on January 5, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Hume was sincere. Scarborough? I question his sincerity as watching him from time to time on the morning Barack love-fest.
kingsjester on January 5, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Makes me feel better to know I’m on the same page as The Anchoress on this issue. As I said the other day, Hume’s comments should have been said in a private talk, not on the air. Is it a huge deal? No…but Hume’s comment does seem out of place.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Yes, a vapid white lesbian heiress has just over dosed. Why isn’t HOTAiR covering this story?
Tommy_G on January 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Joe was being both sincere and non-sincere. He swings like that all the time. He’ll say something sincere that isn’t received well and then he will muddy his own thoughts by being disingenuous.
hashman on January 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM
he signed letters, “In the year of our Christ”….Jefferson that is
jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I meant to add:
What if a Muslim journalist told a Christian celebrity that he should dump his religion and seek out Islam?
I highly doubt many here would defend that.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Some folks must not realize that Brit Hume retired as a news reporter. He is now invited on these various panels to give HIS opinion. That is exactly what he did.
If Tiger went to the AA trying to shake an addiction, what advice would he be given? Would people be shocked by that advice? I’m really not getting the uproar over this. Christians believe all things are possible through Christ and they love to share that message. That’s been going on for over 2,000 years now.
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM
You mean he used A.D.?! Say it ain’t so!
Emily M. on January 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM
In both instances that Brit made his statements, he was acting as a COMMENTATOR not a newsman. Therefore his statements are his beliefs, not a reporting of the facts.
barnone on January 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM
I think people are making too big a deal out of this myself. Hume expressed an opinion, that is all.
Terrye on January 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Exactly right. The comment was made on an opinion panel. If that is Hume’s opinion, so be it.
BrianA on January 5, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Hume should’ve said: “Through Christ” instead of the “Christian Faith” is the only path to True Redemption. That said, it was nice to see public Christians stopping the Political Correctness Charade.
jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:05 PM
So what? The fact that a lot of posters are Christians and so they feel sympathy with Hume’s statement is not really the issue. There are all kinds of things people might say we would not agree with…what difference does that make? Hume just gave his opinion on something, that is all.
Terrye on January 5, 2010 at 2:06 PM
All this talk about saying this to Tiger privately. Why aren’t the critics of his actions calling him up and telling them how they feel privately? This is ridiculous; If Brit had told Tiger to follow more strictly Buddhism no one would be complaining. The reality is the world hates Jesus Christ. They hate the mention of Jesus Christ and the idea that Jesus Christ is the supreme ruler of the universe (Brit acknowledged as much when talking to BOR). Jesus said, those who acknowledge me publicly I will acknowledge to my father and those who do not, I will not acknowledge them (paraphrasing)
Allow me to join in the chorus. Tiger, what you did was wrong but we have all sinned and following short of perfection. Accept Jesus and lay your burdens on him. He has very big shoulders. His yoke is easy and his burden is light
wiseprince on January 5, 2010 at 2:07 PM
At NRO the Catholic catechism is cited regularly (as a matter of fact, it’s being referenced today)… Ed has posted blog entries based on the Catholic catechism… and in both cases, I don’t give a damn what the CCC has to say about anything, let alone government policy…
But Brit Hume gives a rather generalized, non-sectarian, non-political and personal statement to another private individual and we have to have multiple threads so we can question his integrity as a news commentator?
Where was the outrage when an American Bishop was threatening the eternal fates of those who didn’t vote the way he told them to vote? That is a far more dangerous threat to the Republic than a guy referring in the most general terms to the Christian faith, trying to help another person find redemption.
mankai on January 5, 2010 at 2:08 PM
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM
You’ve stated in the past that you’re Catholic. Last time I checked, that’s a Christian Denomination. Don’t you share your faith with others?
kingsjester on January 5, 2010 at 2:09 PM
I would neither care nor be offended. Why should I? Now, the moment anyone starts saying, “the government should do this because Islam [insert any sect] requires it” then the gloves come off.
mankai on January 5, 2010 at 2:11 PM
The folks at MSNBC need Jesus.
terryannonline on January 5, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Scarborough has had one too many koolaid drinks from the MSNBC pantry. He’s about four notches below RINO now.
fogw on January 5, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Yes…I’m Catholic…THE Christian denomination IMHO, but that’s another story ;) But even in private, I would never tell someone they need to leave their faith to become a Christian…certainly not as a respected journalist on national TV.
Everything has a time and a place. Brit’s comment was out of place. That’s all.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:13 PM
no, “Year of our Christ”
http://wallbuilders.net
jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:14 PM
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UltimateBob on January 5, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Sure, if we are talking about the Catholic Church thru St. Augustine, not so much since then. ;)
jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:15 PM
FYI to all of your hardcore Christians-are-stupid-and-everyone-should-just-be-atheists atheists, notice how you sound just like the libs on MSNBC in regards to Brit Hume. Heck, you sound just like them on ANYTHING regarding christianity or Sarah Palin.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM
This was not satire. I have no question in my mind that he was defending Hume, and good for him.
I also don’t see his allusion to Amazing Grace as a non-sequitur in the least. On the contrary, its lyrics speak perfectly to what Brit Hume was suggesting would most help Tiger get through this wretched period in his life. Moreover, I think Joe quoted Amazing Grace because it shows how inextricably intertwined Christianity is in our culture, and how silly it is to get one’s Darwinianc tee shirt in a bunch over it – especially when offered with such deeply felt concern, kindness, and hope, as Brit did.
Buy Danish on January 5, 2010 at 2:17 PM
What makes it out of place, the fact that it was public. The fact that it was on national tv the fact that he was once a journalist or the fact that he was on a new channel. Dare I say it’s never out of place to help save a soul. Moreover this has apparently sparked a debate among Christians about how to act publicly. Hopefully those of the Brit ilk win out
wiseprince on January 5, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Buddhists have every right to be offended by what Hume said.
He was not only ignorant but way off base.
He evinced a typical “Buddhism bad no God pessimistic” argument foisted by many Christian leaders.
Hume should visit Thailand sometime and experience the redemptive power of Buddhism.
max1 on January 5, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Ah, ah, ah! The Catholic Church does not see itself as a “denomination.” You just failed my CCD 101 class (which they no longer let me teach for some reason). It is “the only ark of safety, outside of which there is no salvation.” All others in “ecclesiastic communities” can only find redemption via the RCC in some wierd, mystical way… but they are not proper “churches.”
As for “telling someone to leave his faith,” you must do as a matter of Catholic dogma. That is, since the RCC is the only ark of safety and the “only vehicle of salvation” you are under obligation to warn non-adherents of the possible consequences.
Then write to half the staff at NRO and to Ed and tell them to keep the damn CCC out of political debates. They “offend” 100x more a month than Brit ever will.
mankai on January 5, 2010 at 2:19 PM
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OmahaConservative on January 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM
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jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM
While he is there he could have sex with children if that was his thing. I’d hardly call Thailand an idealized Buddhist country.
Holger on January 5, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Sorry, I’m just joking around. I’m really, really bored right now. -_-
Emily M. on January 5, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Hume did nothing wrong – if he truly believes that Jesus Christ is the true PERSONAL savior of the human soul then reaching out in this way was actually quite touching.
Other sites are reporting incessantly on the sordid sex side of Tiger’s story (the possible selling of video tapes of his infidelity) or slamming Hume for his so-called preaching, while there is actually a much deeper context here.
Tiger may hear that particular Hume clip and, gasp, actually be helped by it. Worth a shot – Hume is a class act.
Ris4victory on January 5, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Amen!
Ordinary1 on January 5, 2010 at 2:24 PM
I watched Brit Hume’s last day on Special Report and I remember his farewell. He said he had reached a point in his life where he wanted to devote more of his time to his grandchildren and to his faith. The man is a devoted born again Christian, so no one should be shocked that he sees life from that perspective.
This almost reminds me of the way some liberal blogs went after Palin. Implying that Pentecostals and creationism was some type of deep dark mysterious cult, when in reality it is the basis of Christianity.
In this strange new world of political correctness the only thing people can safely bash are Christians and middle-aged white dudes. So, they go for it with all their might!
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM
Today at NRO [Mark Thiessen]
Um… Mark and NRO… I don’t give a rat’s arse what the catechism says or doesn’t say about US policy concerning interrogation techniques.
That’s a helluva lot more offensive and dangerous than Brit suggesting Tiger look into the generic Christian faith.
mankai on January 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM
She’s No-Daddy-No hot.
TXUS on January 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM
We’d defend his right to say it.
Then again, you had a heart attack because Carrie Prejean dared answer a question she was asked at a beauty pageant.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM
This kind of quote makes me appreciate Hume’s comments all the more. Let’s have a public debate over Christianity and Buddishm. I will preach Jesus over any of the so called religious leaders (Buddah, Mohammed, Zoroaster) any day of the week. I am confident they will all be found wanting
wiseprince on January 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM
BINGO!
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM
I know it’s OT, but I gotta respond…
Yes, I’m fully aware the Catholic Church isn’t a denomination…I was simply playing off your words. But you’re wrong saying the Church doesn’t believe in salvation outside of the faith.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM
My take is that Joe was sincere, but had fun tweeking the panel.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM
As for JetBoy’s comment about a Muslim talking about his faith on national TV… I’m all for it! Then hopefully the interviewer could ask them if they believe in the 72 virgins, or Sharia Law, or what they think their faith says about salvation.
These things should be debated in public. If Brit offended Buddhists, then let a Buddhist disagree and say why. If a Christian rightly says that Tiger can find forgiveness through Christ, then that is the right answer. It’s the right answer for anyone else too who has ever lied, or stolen something, or hated in their heart, or insert personal transgression here.
Whenever someone points out that the only way to God the Father is through Christ, some people are going to object no matter what the venue is. They are disagreeing with Christ Himself, so what can you do? Speak the truth in love and let the chips fall where they may…
Ordinary1 on January 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Scarborough carries on like he is the only true conservative on the national stage at this time. Then he goes on to bash all other Republicans and conservatives, while playing kissy face with all his MSNBC fanatical, devil worshiping liberal buddies. In other words, he is full-o-chit and knows who is signing the check.
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Encourage people to “turn to Christ” privately, mmmmkay?
I don’t try to sell anyone on the superiority of my religion, and I get tired of “Christians” acting as if they have a pass to be annoying about their beliefs. I get tired as well of them whining about “persecution” if anyone asks them to be a little bit tolerant of anyone else’s beliefs….
I know, I know, you have a book that proclaims your beliefs to be right, tells you to go out and make sure everyone else is in line with what you think. Hey, there are at least two books that do that; one is called the Koran.
But in the meantime, I wish you (Hume included) could at least mute the public proselytizing as most of the rest of us do, and stop altogether with the attacks on people who don’t share your beliefs.
MrScribbler on January 5, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Selective memory, I see.
As for Prejean, I always defended her answer for what it was…her truthful, tactful answer to a question. I was only angry that you and your ilk propped her up as the new voice of conservatism so quickly.
And look what happened.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Agreed, Danish. I happen to actually watch Morning Joe a lot, and Scarborough is often the only one in the group that comes to the defense of the conservative position. Scarborough is even more conservative in his radio show.
I watched Joe this morning and he was again the lone voice definitely defending Brit Hume.
marybel on January 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Being a witness for Christ is part of the deal many have apparently forgotten.
Luke 14:23 – And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Romans 10:9 – “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”
Exodus 4:12 – “Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.”
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Mark was relaying Andrew Sullivan’s argument, not his own.
Buy Danish on January 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM
I’d hope everyone would defend the right to say that.
As for me, the Bible seems very clear. We’re to spread the message of Christ as far and wide as possible. Speaking this message on TV certainly helps accomplish that. I didn’t watch Hume, and maybe he could have done it differently, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a Christian pointing out that Christ can make possible what seems impossible.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM
So this time you’re going to whine that a christian is practicing his faith (“preach to all the nations of the world”). I’m sure in a nother thread you’ll then complain that a christian is not following his faith.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:46 PM
This public flogging of a christian for simply being a christian and talking about christianity is repulsive. Thanks for standing up Brit (and Joe).
Apparently the modern conventional wisdom is that Seperation of Church and State applies to everything. So, even if you are talking about a private citizen athlete on an opinion segment of privately owned news company’s show, you are not to mention Christianity. Because, see, sometimes, on that same news show, or at least on that same news channel, they talk about politics. And if you are talking about politics at some point in the past or future, you are talking about the “state” and therefore any mention of religion is a violation of the Constitution. (you know, that document that actually never mentions the “Seperation of church and state” but explicitly does mention that that the state shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.)
I know, I know, that’s so late 1700′s. And really, we don’t need laws to prohibit religious speech, we just have outrageously outraged outrage mongers screaming and calling for Hume’s job (or head) that do the job just as well.
So lets see if I understand this. Its ok for public schools to show al gore’s bit of eco-religious propoganda, but its not ok for Hume, a private citizen working for a private company, to talk about his faith?
Nonsense.
GopherCon on January 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM
there are other parts of the Bible Andrew Sullivan(Pharisee – Gayville) should be focusing on .
jp on January 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Oh, you mean about her videotaping herself masturbating YEARS AGO. I guess you can only be an honest christian if you never, ever, ever sinned in your life, even if it was years ago and you were a stupid teenager.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Bullcrap! You constantly trashed her for what she said.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM
I’m with the Anchoress — the venue weirded me out.
John the Libertarian on January 5, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Conservative Christians made the rope that hung Carrie Prejean.
Holger on January 5, 2010 at 2:52 PM
I agree there…but as I said previously, there’s a time and a place. I like Brit Hume…miss him being on nightly…but what he said (not only that Tiger should seek Christianity, but also dump his Buddhist faith) didn’t belong on a news panel like that.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:52 PM
How? I know many through her under the bus because they were afraid of the libs, gay mafia, and militant atheists. Last time I check, though, Christians never claimed to be perfect. That’s a liberal stereotype.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Bullcrap yourself. I most certainly did not trash her EVER for what she said. Only how many of you reacted to it.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM
I take it anyone here that claims to be a christian AND see what Brit Hume did was wrong are the same ones that say “I’m a christian but I dont’ go to church. I’ll worship in my own way.”
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Once again, we have the same charlatan proclaiming (evidently, falsely) his Catholicism in order to validate his position on Hume’s suggestion.
jay12 on January 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM
I believe the Koran enjoins the followers of Islam to do likewise….
The difference appears to be that Muslims can kill anyone who doesn’t buy the message, while Christians are only free to ratchet up the annoyance level.
Once again: I am not telling you what to believe, nor would I ever try to suppress your religion. I’m guessing a little consideration of, and tolerance for, the beliefs of others is too much to ask, huh?
MrScribbler on January 5, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Probably not. From what I understand of Buddhism, it isn’t at all inconsistent with Christianity, meaning you could easily believe and practice both without conflict.
No offense intended, but this comment is borne out of ignorance of Christian theology which mandates that Christians talk about their religion, which, if people truly believe that Christ is the only way to heaven and away from hell, is really the only natural reaction to encountering someone who does not believe.
Really, Christians who don’t care that others don’t believe are selfish a-holes. Penn was definitely right on that one.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Oh, fer cripes sake.
For the record, I’m at mass every Sunday.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM
max1 on January 5, 2010 at 2:18 PM
This kind of quote makes me appreciate Hume’s comments all the more. Let’s have a public debate over Christianity and Buddishm. I will preach Jesus over any of the so called religious leaders (Buddah, Mohammed, Zoroaster) any day of the week. I am confident they will all be found wanting
wiseprince on January 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM
that would be fine.. and by the way,here’s some food for thought!
“Buddhism is a hundred times as realistic as Christianity–it is part of its living heritage that it is able to face problems objectively and coolly; it is the product of long centuries of philosophical speculation. The concept, “god,” was already disposed of before it appeared. Buddhism is the only genuinely positive religion to be encountered in history, and this applies even to its epistemology (which is a strict phenomenalism) –It does not speak of a “struggle with sin,” but, yielding to reality, of the “struggle with suffering.” Sharply differentiating itself from Christianity, it puts the self-deception that lies in moral concepts be hind it; it is, in my phrase,beyond good and evil.” -Nietzsche (Anti-Christ)
max1 on January 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Okay, I did some searching and couldn’t find it. However, that then leaves this question.
Why did she have the right to answer a question she was asked but not Brit Hume?
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 3:04 PM
This is true. You may have said what she said wasn’t all that bright or well thought out (it’s been awhile, so I don’t remember exactly), but you never trashed her for it. That’s just something people are saying because they know you support gay marriage.
Tolerance is one thing, but it doesn’t mean Christians should suddenly stop believing that Christ has all the answers or that people aren’t better off having a relationship with Christ.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Be that as it may, I think he’s serious here. I’m sure a million comments have pointed this out, but what the heck: a cursory review of the principles of Buddhism show very clearly that Woods is outside of their program, too.
For that matter, Hume could have said “Tiger, go back to page one and read the book again; you’re effing it all up.” But Hume’s a Christian and he said what he really thinks.
Jaibones on January 5, 2010 at 3:06 PM
I don’t believe that’s a fair assessment. Some here believe he did the right thing at the wrong time or that he had the right intentions but the wrong words.
There’s no need to judge people based on this.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM
The point lost on so many was that it appears that Tiger Woods could use some “forgiveness and redemption”. Hume suggested Christianity, but if he could get it elsewhere .. fine.
Of course, the huffy misogynists on the Left would rather claim something else, rendering them on par with the “birthers.”
J_Crater on January 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Christians aren’t the ones going around on TV, movies, books, billboards, and busses telling everyone who believes in God instead of their belief of no god an idiot/retard/moron/etc.
Remember. Atheists don’t believe hell exists. However, EVERYONE believes that stupid, moronic people exist.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Tolerance is one thing, but it doesn’t mean Christians should suddenly stop believing that Christ has all the answers or that people aren’t better off having a relationship with Christ.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Exactly right. Nice to see you around, Esthier.
kingsjester on January 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM
No, it’s because in his eyes anyone who is against gay
special privalagesmarriage is a homophobe who wants to deny gays their rights.DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Those are the same people who throw people who actually believe in the Bible under the bus because they dont’ want atheists to think they are stupid. There should be a denomination name for them: Chickenshit Christians.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 5, 2010 at 3:11 PM
How many Conservative Christians are against sex outside of marriage? How many Conservative Christians are for Abstinence Only Sex Education but against Safe-Sex Education? How many Conservative Christians were in an uproar when former SG Jocelyn Elders brought up Masturbation as an abstinence tool?
When you preach certain Sexual Mores expect to be held to that standard. And when you fail that standard, expect to get slammed.
When Carrie Prejean gave that answer, I knew she would be politically dead. Not because of what she said, but because she identified as a Conservative Christian and no one can live upto Puritanical sexual mores (court records the actual Puritans prove you can’t live upto those sexual mores).
Holger on January 5, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I would think that as we watch the economic and social decline of the USA and watch the increase in terror related episodes against the USA, that many Americans are beginning to take a closer look at their relationship with God.
Afterall, when it all comes down to it, nothing is more important than one’s walk with the Lord.
Maybe Hume has realized this more and is finally not afraid to express his Christian faith.
texasconserv on January 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM
I will not compromise my personal beliefs for your feelings. Jesus Christ tells me to spread his good word. If you do not like it, then maybe it is you, and not me, that needs to be more tolerant of other’s religious beliefs.
uknowmorethanme on January 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM
It would have been fine for Hume to discuss his opinion personally with Tiger.
For him to address an issue of faith concerning a single individual with a multimillion person audience was unseemly at best and, well, downright evil at worst.
After all, what does he know of Tiger’s soul or sin? What he has read in the gossip rags. Look to the beam in your own eye Brit.
max1 on January 5, 2010 at 3:15 PM
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth
and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God,
begotten of His Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered and was buried.
And the third day He rose again
according to the Scriptures
and ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of the Father.
And He will come again with glory to judge
both the living and the dead,
whose kingdom will have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord and giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshiped and glorified,
who spoke by the prophets.
And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins,
and I look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
OmahaConservative on January 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM
For him to address an issue of faith concerning a single individual with a multimillion person audience was
unseemly at best and, well, downright evil at worstabout the most Christian thing he could possibly do.uknowmorethanme on January 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Wrong again.
You just love making blanket statements towards people without ever once considering any facts.
You’re letting your anger over your own personal ideals cloud anything relevant you might say.
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Thanks. I just got back from a nice trip awhile ago. Hot Air was missed, but I tried not to get online the entire time.
I know he can be touchy on the subject, but I have to completely disagree with what you’re saying here. I’ve seen him have some very open and honest conversations on the subject with anyone who wants to talk to him. I’m not saying I’ve never seen him go into the unfair attack category of dialogue, but I will say that I’ve seen far more people do that to him than receive it from him.
I’m not saying this to argue with you but primarily because I believe Jet is fair and that he’s a good person to have these discussions with if you’re interested in having those discussions. I find them fascinating myself.
I certainly know my fair share of those kinds of people, I’d just have to disagree with you that they’re necessarily the ones who think Hume was wrong.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM
It also must’ve been Christian to piss on the 200-500 million adherents of Buddhism. I didn’t know Christianity gave you license to be a jackass.
Holger on January 5, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Certainly the majority at least, and yet, is that supposed to mean they’ll never make a mistake?
I’d guess Dirk is completely for the Mavericks going into the finals, and yet, they fail every stinkin’ year. Does that make him a hypocrite?
And yet, isn’t that because they believe it will encourage teens to have sex, something they believe teens shouldn’t be encouraged to do? The inconsistency here is?
How many people are OK with a government official teaching kids how to masturbate?
Also, is it really that hard? If a kid can’t figure it out, he/she probably shouldn’t be doing it.
Esthier on January 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM
cafeteria Catholic and not much of a Christian unless I read my bible incorrectly this morning.
Onager on January 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Christianity is ALL about forgiveness. No person is perfect and they will make mistakes. That is the precise reason Jesus of Nazareth died on the cross. His blood secured our redemption. Prejean is no different than any other human walking around on this planet. Her mistakes can be forgiven and forgotten through the blood of Christ just like everyone else. That was kind of the point Brit Hume was making with Tiger Woods. Only through Christianity will he find a new path and with that will come a re-birth.
joedoe on January 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Apparently you skipped over Matthew chapter 7
JetBoy on January 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM
How is what Brit said “intolerant”? If you don’t believe in God, or the Christian faith, fine – so be it*. Why should you care that someone else does? Surely you don’t think that people have a right not to be offended or that any mention of faith is taboo in a political forum. Because if you do, we’d have to bury or burn an awful lot of American historical documents.
Unlike so many Atheists who loathe Christianity and recoil in horror every time it makes an appearance outside of a pew, there was nothing negative, bitter or poisonous about what Brit said – indeed what he said was demonstrably kind and caring.
*I hope “so be it” isn’t too “intolerant”, what with its religious connotations and all.
Buy Danish on January 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM
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