Moussaoui conviction upheld, but …

posted at 8:48 am on January 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

At first, this would appear to be a triumph for the criminal-justice approach for handling terrorists.  Zacarias Moussaoui lost his first appeal to overturn his conviction on charges of terrorism after surprising everyone with a guilty plea:

A federal appeals court on Monday upheld the conviction and life prison term of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted in a U.S. court in connection with the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit rejected an effort by Moussaoui’s lawyers to send the case back to federal court in Alexandria, where he pleaded guilty in 2005 to an al-Qaeda conspiracy to crash planes into U.S. buildings that led to the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. After a two-month sentencing trial in Alexandria, Moussaoui was sentenced to life in prison.

Attorneys for Moussaoui had told the Richmond-based court that he should be retried or resentenced because he was deprived of his constitutional rights. The Justice Department argued that the proceedings were fair.

Fair?  Not quite.  The appellate court basically ruled that Moussaoui’s surprise guilty plea made his points on appeal moot.  After all, pleading guilty means the defendant admits to the charges, and appeals courts are reluctant to consider appeals in those circumstances unless the plea comes under some kind of duress.  Andy McCarthy at The Corner read the 78-page opinion and reports that the US dodged a bullet:

The appellate court notes that Moussaoui claims it was error for the trial judge to interfere with his unqualified right to represent himself; “to have personal, pretrial access to classified, exculpatory evidence”; and to be able to summon witnesses like co-conspirator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for trial testimony. The Fourth Circuit acknowledges that all these claims have merit, but the court finds that Moussaoui, by pleading guilty, waived any claim of prejudice. Opinion at pp. 24-28. Even more alarming, the Fourth Circuit concedes that its waiver rationale is inconsistent with a decision by the Ninth Circuit on which Moussaoui relies — i.e., if the Fourth Circuit had followed the Ninth Circuit, there’s a good chance it would have had to agree that, regardless of the guilty plea, Moussaoui’s convictions should be reversed.

The Fourth Circuit also reminds us that the trial judge initially struck the death penalty from the case because the government refused to give Moussaoui access to the al Qaeda prisoner witnesses. The Fourth Circuit reversed the judge at the time, but on the condition that it would be open to revisiting that conclusion if the government failed to provide Moussaoui with all the classified exculpatory information he was entitled. At that critical moment, Moussaoui decided to plead guilty. That is, we never found out what would have happened if Moussaoui had insisted on a trial at which he’d have access to all these witnesses and other national-defense information.  The guilty-plea is deemed to have waived any claim by Moussaoui that he was denied the information to which he was entitled.

In the next case — like, say, KSM’s civilian trial — the defendants will be smart enough not to plead guilty.  They will insist on getting every piece of intelligence they’re entitled to. And the prosecutors will look at this ruling on Moussaoui’s appeal and realize they’d better give it to them or risk having the case thrown out.  That’s what the law-enforcement approach buys you.

The Moussaoui case made clear that the courts would treat terrorists  appearing before them with the same considerations as any other criminal defendant.  That will either force the government to give terrorists access to classified material used to capture them and find evidence of their terrorism, including witnesses and agents involved, or face having the cases tossed.  Moussaoui wound up doing life in prison not because he was destined to do so in an American court trial, but because he wanted to be as disruptive as possible.

Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed want to do the same thing?  Hardly.  KSM was captured in Pakistan and handed over to US authorities.  His attorneys will likely want to explore in great detail the relationship between the ISI and US intel and military personnel, get names on the record, and demand the testimony of his captors to explain in great detail the circumstances of his capture and his extradition.  According to this opinion, KSM may be entitled to all of that — and if the US doesn’t give it to him, the charges could be dismissed.

The alternative would be to change the laws in the civil system to allow secret evidence to be presented without the defendant challenging its provenance, or secret testimony to be proferred without the defendant able to challenge the witnesses openly in court.  But that would mean that the rest of us would have to live under those rules as well.

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk.  They will just transfer them to military detention again.  But that’s an argument for never having transferred them out of the military system at all, which Congress twice authorized to adjudicate KSM’s case and those of others captured outside the US during the war.

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To paraphrase Fred Thompson; This is gonna get ugly and it’s gonna get ugly real quick.

Johnnyreb on January 5, 2010 at 8:53 AM

ugh

becki51758 on January 5, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Ed: (T)he US dodged a bullet.

If KSM turns out to be a show trial, WE THE PEOPLE, not just Barry, will be a laughingstock.

exdeadhead on January 5, 2010 at 8:59 AM

The Heritage Foundation cites that there are 3 times the terrorist attacks under Obama as were attempted under Bush;
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Laugh while you can!

Cybergeezer on January 5, 2010 at 8:59 AM

thank goodness the 4th circuit did not follow the 9th circus…

the KSM show trial should be a doozy

cmsinaz on January 5, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Secret evidence/testimony is the civil system will be convenient when the purges and show trials begin.

Disturb the Universe on January 5, 2010 at 9:00 AM

When the admin tries to put something under the Constitution that was not originally put into the Constitution, they will do somersaults and back flips all day to no avail. It won’t work.

Kissmygrits on January 5, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Attorneys for Moussaoui had told the Richmond-based court that he should be retried or resentenced because he was deprived of his constitutional rights. The Justice Department argued that the proceedings were fair.

Here’s the real problem. THIS WAS NOT A CRIMINAL ACTION—IT WAS AN ACT OF WAR. No constitutional rights should be afforded. Holder, Obama, and the DOJ are idiots.

Rovin on January 5, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Cybergeezer on January 5, 2010 at 8:59 AM

For some reason, I can’t even laugh…all I can do is shake my head, and go look for the whiskey bottle…

lovingmyUSA on January 5, 2010 at 9:03 AM

By pleading guilty Moussaoui shot himself in the foot big time. He could walk by now, no sweat. After all his only crime was that he didn’t want to learn how to land a plane, which is not really a crime, I think.
Note to the future terrorists: never, ever plead guilty ever. America has enough bleeding hearts to defend you, send you home and then accept back again…

TomB on January 5, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Eric Holder and the president who appointed him are complete morons. I don’t know what else to say.

ProfessorMiao on January 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Q:What is the Obama Doctrine?
A:Clusterf**k?
DINGDINGDING WINNAH!

theTarCzar on January 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Obama is living proof that you can be intelligent and naive or you can be incompetent and stupid. If the the results are the same, there is no difference.

volsense on January 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk.

So, we’ll be spending $100 million for trial security and putting NYC at needless additional risk for a show trial that will only count if it ends in a conviction and sentence that the government (Obama’s campaign) believes to be adequate.

Gives Kangaroo Court a whole new meaning, while inviting further attacks.

TXUS on January 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk. They will just transfer them to military detention again.

Ring around the rosy, Obama style. Let’s hope KLM doesn’t get dizzy going from civilian to military to civilian court in the biggest circle jerk in U.S. history. Obama, Holder, and company should be the ones on trial.

donh525 on January 5, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Jammie Wearing Fool has a piece up about just how much this circus is going to cost. Seems Eric Holder underestimated the cost. Shocking, I know.

di butler on January 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM

This is what I never understood about the terrorists misunderstood islamic freedom fighters (sorry, let my pc guard down there for a sec) being tried in civilian court. Obama will never let KSM walk. He has already said that if there is anything other than a guilty verdict he will transfer him to Guantanamo North. Isn’t that the exact definition of a show trial – knowing the verdict before it even starts.

txaggie on January 5, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Heck just send them to Britain where they can live in nice houses on the public dime,while spitting on the graves of British soldiers.The British Govt seems to be into that masochistic kinda thing.

theTarCzar on January 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM

The decision to give KSM at trial in the U.S. is crazy and I’m not sure we can even imagine the stuff that will go on. I have a weird question from something I noticed in the article

Attorneys for Moussaoui had told the Richmond-based court that he should be retried or resentenced because he was deprived of his constitutional rights.

If someone has been “deprived of his constitutional rights” how does resentencing rectify it? Wouldn’t the options be yes, new trial or nope, tough stuff? Different sentence doesn’t compute. But then I am not a lawyer.

Cindy Munford on January 5, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk. They will just transfer them to military detention again. But that’s an argument for never having transferred them out of the military system at all, which Congress twice authorized to adjudicate KSM’s case and those of others captured outside the US during the war.

And: but that’s also an argument that may not succeed; civil-system advocates will also have to concede habeas corpus rights to KSM, and – if he is acquitted on the gummint’s criminal charges – there may be no civil basis for continuing to hold him. Bye-bye, Birdie.

ManUFan on January 5, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Headline parody: Crime! Declared on al-Qaeda and Other 9/11 Terrorists http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/crime-declared-on-al-qaeda-and-other.html

Mervis Winter on January 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Is this a precedent that if they do not confess their guilt and were not given their Miranda rights, then they cannot be convicted? Sounds like that is the conclusion.

volsense on January 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Attorneys for Moussaoui had told the Richmond-based court that he should be retried or resentenced because he was deprived of his constitutional rights.

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS???? What freaking constitutional rights does he have????? He is not a US citizen–and he took away the constitutional rights of over 3000+ US citizens!!!
I say that if you don’t believe in the constitution of the United States, then you shouldn’t be allowed the rights defined within it…This is a man who does not believe in the existence of the United States, or of our citizen’s right to a peaceful life…He denied thousands of US citizens killed on 911, THEIR rights…

lovingmyUSA on January 5, 2010 at 9:36 AM

The alternative would be to change the laws in the civil system to allow secret evidence to be presented without the defendant challenging its provenance, or secret testimony to be proferred without the defendant able to challenge the witnesses openly in court. But that would mean that the rest of us would have to live under those rules as well.

The “us” being anyone that the current occupant of the white house or his boss Soros chooses. Until reading Ed’s column I had thought the reason for this circus trial was just partisan stupidity but now I can see a more likely reason. Can our spiraling into a dictatorship be any more obvious?

Wine_N_Dine on January 5, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Military tribunals!

Johan Klaus on January 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Get ready, this will go the the Supremes as we now have the 4th and the 9th disagreeing on a point of law.

“IF” the Plaintiffs can argue that these procedural problems LED him to his guilty plea, as he thought he would not get a fair trial?

There is plenty of precedent for throwing out a guilty plea for both Prosecutorial and Police misconduct (like for a coerced admission of guilt).

Romeo13 on January 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM

What’s the suprise? Since the 1960s the social costs of letting people get away with murder have been ruled irrelevant to a constitutional guarantee of existentialist procedures.

Chris_Balsz on January 5, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Denying someone the right to represent themselves is a big no-no, since it is guaranteed by the Constitution. When a defendant is a nutter or asks at the last minute to defend themselves and are ready to proceed without delay, courts and prosecutors tend to blow them off with disastrous results.

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 10:22 AM

This is why Bozo and company will fail at every turn. They are living in a dreamworld and will get us all killed.

dogsoldier on January 5, 2010 at 10:24 AM

The alternative would be to change the laws in the civil system to allow secret evidence to be presented without the defendant challenging its provenance, or secret testimony to be proferred without the defendant able to challenge the witnesses openly in court. But that would mean that the rest of us would have to live under those rules as well.

And if this happens? Can you imagine the fallout from black and hispanic groups if one of their own is charged with murder etc and secret, unchallenged evidence convicts them?

Where will our wise latina stand on this if it goes to Scotus? Will she think that far forward?

journeyintothewhirlwind on January 5, 2010 at 10:27 AM

More important news: Tila Tequilia killed her fiance, Case Johnson.

Didn’t she just break up with some male football player?

Why would you not call the cops after not hearing from the person for 6 days?

Why would you not call the cops when you left your dogs with this person and hadn’t heard from them for 6 days?

Why isn’t the MSM reporting on what the dogs ate for 6 days?

Who knew the Johnson family was white?

Are all l*sb*ans crazy?

How will this affect Chubs McCain?

Will AP offer her a soft shoulder to cry on?

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Heard Chuckles Schumer last night on WCBS Radio out of NYC-he was ripping mad at the cost overrun for the KSM trial. Pass the popcorn.

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2010 at 10:32 AM

“IF” the Plaintiffs can argue that these procedural problems LED him to his guilty plea, as he thought he would not get a fair trial?

Good point. However, I would think that they would need proof which means it would have to be done by writ which means Al Whackjob would have to testify. Considering how crazy he is, he would be a lose cannon.

There is plenty of precedent for throwing out a guilty plea for both Prosecutorial and Police misconduct (like for a coerced admission of guilt).

Romeo13 on January 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM

This has nothing to do with the above. The argument is that as a direct result of his Faretta rights being unconstitutionally denied by the court, he pled guilty.

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Hmmmmm.

Perhaps I’m giving off too much of the conspiracy theory vibe on this but the civilian court system is predicated on precedence. If something is allowed by a court judge, then upheld in subsequent superior courts then by SCOTUS then it is effectively … the law.

Soooooo.

If we re-imprison KSM after he gets, for arguments sake here, an acquittal then wouldn’t that mean that regular citizens could be imprisoned even if they are acquitted? Isn’t putting someone into the civilian justice system a one-way street? How can you give someone rights and then take them away without due process?

Obama & Co. already gives me the creeps with the way they’re running things. Frankly I’m getting a significant Mussolini vibe from him. Wrecking the civilian court system isn’t something I want to see happen.

memomachine on January 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM

One of the many reasons why I don’t take gay marriage seriously.

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 10:49 AM

To paraphrase Fred Thompson; This is gonna get ugly and it’s gonna get ugly real quick.

Johnnyreb on January 5, 2010 at 8:53 AM

PLEEEASE!!! Stop with the Fred tough talk. If Fred had his way, Islamic terrorists would not only be afforded trials in courts, but the courts would be in Libya for Chrisssakes!!!!

tommylotto on January 5, 2010 at 10:50 AM

tommylotto on January 5, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Like clockwork.

TexasDan on January 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Has anyone given thought to the fact that Obama may very well be a REAL Manchurian Candidate?

Think about it.

The movie came out not long after he was born. (The original) It was popular, certainly could have gotten some thinkers to thinking.

His mammy was a communist, as was the sperm donor/father.

Stanley Ann’s parents were communists, and active.

We know that Obama lived in Indonesia with mom and new dad, Soetoro, a communist and possibly a Muslim

Until he left Hawaii, Obama was nurtured and mentored by communist Frank Marshall Davis.

As American Thinker reminds us, Obama’s education was paid for by Khalid al-Mansour. Radical Muslims are basically communists, in practice, if not avowed ideology.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/percy_sutton_dies_his_obama_re.html

Now think about it. Obama is Harvard educated. (or so they say) SOB could have went to work anywhere and made big bucks. Especially with his pumped up resume.

So why did he end up in that crap hole of a place, Chicago? And even better, hooking up with ACORN?

Well, remember Frank Marshall Davis? Before he was run off, to Hawaii, he called Chicago home.

From there (and most likely earlier) Obama was then taken under the wing of everyone’s favorite domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and his cop killing felon wife.

Everything about this guy points to a lifetime of being taught to hate America with a white hot passion.

Now, look at how he is acting in office. Absolutely everything he is doing is counterintuitive to someone who wants America to succeed.

Then look who the AG is, Eric Holder, a guy who worked to free a bunch of terrorists under Clinton, and threw out a conviction of the Black Panther terrorists.

Then of course, you have the entire way Obama is acting over the terror attacks, from Ft Dix, to Ft Hood, to the Underbomber.

Only someone purposely tying to destroy America would act like Obama and his thug organization.

No one, not even a democrat is THAT incompetent.

We MUST find a way to remove this guy from office, and we must do it now. If not we will see this nation destroyed completely. Financially, and physically.

gary4205 on January 5, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk. They will just transfer them to military detention again.

Probably so. And Pres. Obama will have done himself and this country more harm than if had left well enough alone.

But, there are Leftist tendencies to fall prey to, and a base to satisfy.

tgharris on January 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM

If KSM were acquitted under civilian rules, wouldn’t he then be entitled to habeus corpus to challenge his indefinite detention? Could we trust a DoJ that is filled with terrorist protecting individuals, to strongly argue that case? We’ve only just begun our tour through Obamaland, hope all you who voted for him still feel that thrill going up your legs.

eaglewingz08 on January 5, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Yeah, Eric Holder is a GREAT Attorney General.

GarandFan on January 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Of course, advocates of the civil-system approach will argue, a dismissal won’t mean that the Obama administration will let KSM and his cohorts walk. They will just transfer them to military detention again.

And this won’t be effectively double jeopardy why? Don’t like the result, court shop?

SDN on January 5, 2010 at 11:26 AM

This has nothing to do with the above. The argument is that as a direct result of his Faretta rights being unconstitutionally denied by the court, he pled guilty.

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM

I was just pointing out that there is Precedent for throwing out guilty please…

Face it, we are in uncharted legal territory here… who knows which way courts are going to jump when they have not only conflicting Precedents, but some actions by the federal Gov which put what we consider Constitutional Rights in jeopardy.

This transfering of Prisoners, from the Military to the Civilian Justice system makes it so NEITHER system can really do its job, because they work under different rules.

They really need to sit down and figure out a consistant procedure for dealing with these folks, and get the Congress and Supremes involved in the decision making process… because right now, we are in a no Win Legal situation. There were just too many Procedual problems.

Romeo13 on January 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Billy Ayers got away with committing numerous terrorist attacks against our own government and became a respected member of the far left community because of it.
I’d say that was a very big failure of our legal system.

OxyCon on January 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

I was just pointing out that there is Precedent for throwing out guilty please…

Romeo13 on January 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM

And I was just pointing out that your first point was very good and most likely will be the argument that the defense uses later on in an attempt to have his plea withdrawn. Stick with it. This wasn’t a prosecutorial or police misconduct case. Denial of the right to defend yourself is unconstitutional and old and settled law.

Blake on January 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

The secret evidence idea is interesting.Could it be that that is what the Bambi Socialists are looking for?Then they can control who gets convicted by whim.

DDT on January 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Great, just great! In the attempt by liberals to treat terrorists more like citizens, the courts will end up with rules which treat citizens more like terrorists.

Courts may in time evolve much as airline travel has, where Granny is strip-searched and cavity checked because liberal policy-makers don’t want to offend Akhammed with his turban and bandoleer. Instead of treating terrorists and civilians differently, liberals seem intent on treating terrorists more like citizens, and (inevitably) citizens more like terrorists.

clark smith on January 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Take him out back and dispose of him, why are we wasting funds on this vermin..

Viper1 on January 5, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Where’s Charles Bronson when you need him?

hillbillyjim on January 6, 2010 at 4:34 AM