Science: Actually, you can beat sense into your kids
posted at 5:40 pm on January 4, 2010 by Allahpundit
The secret? Get ‘em while they’re young.
It found that children who are smacked before the age of six perform better at school when they are teenagers.
They are also more likely to do voluntary work and to want to go to university than those who have never been physically disciplined.
But the study also revealed that children who are smacked after the age of six were more likely to exhibit behavioural problems, such as being involved in fights.
Smacking is currently banned in 20 European countries, including Germany, Spain and the Netherlands…
Two years ago, Britain was criticised by the UN for failing to ban smacking in the home, after experts said it was a form of abuse.
How unlike the UN to frown on discipline. I have no parental anecdotes to share here, but can report that I received the helpful corrective slap well past the age of six and suffered no discernible ill effects. Except, perhaps, for the whole beta-male thing, which, er, would explain the lack of parental anecdotes. Exit question: What makes six the magic number? My guess is that that’s when kids finally become intelligent enough to follow verbal commands semi-consistently, but I have a feeling I’m about to be disabused of that notion in the comments rather strenuously.
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spanking is one part of parenting. we have 3 girls and have spanked them all. Nowadays, it is a rarity, likely because we use it in the appropriate context each time–or we’ve been blessed, probably both.
If a child violates the rules, rules that they should already clearly know what is expected of them, then spanking should be part of the arsenal. If it’s the first line of defense, it’ll fail, if it’s the last line of defense, it’ll fail. First, the child has to know what was expected of them and how they stepped out of line. Second, the parent has to be in full command of their emotions. Third, the child has to be loved on afterwards.
Kids are like Iran–they’ll piss you off, misbehave, act out, manipulate and spread misery to everyone in sight until someone with strong moral character serves up a well-deserved ass whoopin’ that they understand why they’re getting. Kids are like Britain too–serve them up an ass whooping at the right time, and they knew it–and they’re now sorta friends for life.
Pain now, or pain later, either way, there’s going to be some pain. What matters is who’s getting it, and who’s serving it, and, most of all, why.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:26 PM
The real red meat is Allah writing a post about spanking and obeying. There are too many angles to cover here, and I won’t cover any because I don’t want to get banned…
joejm65 on January 4, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Science: Actually, you can beat sense into your kids
Shame it doesn’t work with Leftoid morons, otherwise 3,000 dead on 9/11 would have awakened all of America completely and permanently from its multiculti p.c. Sleep of Suidicial Stupidity.
profitsbeard on January 4, 2010 at 6:28 PM
When my kids got too old to spank, my lectures became torture onto themselves. I would say the same thing 6 different ways. To this day, they remember the lectures, not the spankings.
My kids were good kids and are all great adults. The one that had the hardest time was my eldest from my wife’s first marriage. He had to endure his dad actively speaking against every moral lesson we taught Mike. At 15 he told him he was gonna get him drunk and get him laid for his 16th birthday. Consequently Mike trekked the roughest road. But he got his diploma at 28, makes 80K a year, is married and has a step child of his own.
The goal is to teach your kids proper values so that when they stray, and most do, they will have a basis to come back to when their way failed.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:28 PM
My kids go to a private Christian school. Guess what they have permission to do.
boomer on January 4, 2010 at 6:29 PM
A little smack on the butt is fine (and I tend to agree that 6 is a good cutoff age), but it’s also important to use positive reinforcement when they behave well
And when they’re asked to say, “I’m sorry” they should have to say why they’re sorry. That was a firm rule chez nous – as it insures that they understand why what they did is unacceptable…and that don’t get away with saying they’re sorry when they’re not.
Buy Danish on January 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Nice try. You as a liberal are ALWAYS looking for a way to over react. You figured no one was waiting for you to over react to that comment and took your shot. But like ALL liberals, your basic nature is that of man hating, so you couldn’t help yourself even though it was completely clear I was speaking of fatherly fear and respect.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Now THERE’S a alpha male!
lovingmyUSA on January 4, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Since when is listing conservatives as second class citizens economically the normal cliche? Aren’t we all supposed to be filthy rich and heartless because of it?
Esthier on January 4, 2010 at 6:32 PM
I want to comment but my kid is out of line right now and I just go the moral card to do what i gotta do….
:snicker:
Vincenzo on January 4, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Back in the olden days they still paddled students in high school.
Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM
BB is an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:35 PM
I went to a Christian school too and they had the authority to spank us (no matter the age). I got one at 13 or 14 yrs old.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM
It is better when you get to the point that the look is enough. Or a simple, “Have you lost your mind?”
Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Yeah. Man-hating.
And what was clear was that you see marriage as a partnership between a dominant husband and a subservient wife. And that Dad spanking the daughter prepares her for that role.
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM
You got a spatula? Lucky you.
My mother used a freakin’ pink hair brush (I still remember what it looked like)….
ladyingray on January 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM
I do not remember my parents spanking any of us past age of 4 or 5. My father rarely spanked any of us. He just needed to say our name in a certain way, and we jumped in line. We learned early on that the best way to get our way was to do it our parent’s way. We all have GREAT relationships with our parents who are loved and protected by us every way possible.
Voter from WA State on January 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM
there are those kids out there that recognize weakness too. If you’re going to spank, you better be prepared to deal with the consequences. It better be enough to get through to their attention, but not so much that it’s over the line. Where’s that line? good question–somewhere between a belligerent brat who mocks you after you spank him/her and a bruise.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM
its more than obvious you didn’t get spanked enough.
right4life on January 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM
more time spent loving, training, encouraging, gently correcting and showing the right way= less time, energy spanking and other punishment.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:39 PM
My favorite is a very calm, slow… “Excuse me?”.. as in… did I just hear you say what I thought I heard you say…
Both my twins will backpedal in a heartbeat from that one…
Romeo13 on January 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM
I have experience there as well. Worst part was that I was a good student, but during the daycare portion I kept fighting with my brother.
The paddle even had a smiley face on it. I thought that was a bit much.
Esthier on January 4, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Yeah….in liberal crazy world that is exactly what normal parenting looks like. In our world fathers are respected and feared when necessary and an occasional spanking reinforces that.
You’re an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:41 PM
I liked when my girls got to the point that by saying “That’s gonna cost ya’” I was victorious.
thomasaur on January 4, 2010 at 6:41 PM
When in doubt
Wear it out
/s
farright on January 4, 2010 at 6:42 PM
I was the only girl in a family of four, my parents did spank us and if we said anything disrespectful we had to wash our mouths out with soap. We’re all over 20 now and we still NEVER say anything disrespectful to our parents. We were never scared of them unless we’d done something WRONG. I don’t think there is any problem with a child being afraid of the consequences of their actions, at least they’re aware there are consequences. Too many children get bailed out by mommy and daddy nowadays, they don’t even know what “consequence” means.
By the way, I’ve never met anyone who was spanked that was terrified of their parents.
Ingenue on January 4, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Notice how BB’s derangement makes it conclude that beating girls to enforce subservience is what I wrote?
BB is an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:44 PM
I used the “counting game” with my son….One…Two…Three..
..he was at Air Force Basic Training before he figured it out!!!
ladyingray on January 4, 2010 at 6:44 PM
My sister in law didn’t punish her kids for bad behavior … even when the behavior was really, really bad.
The result is both dropped out of high school, one still lives at home and the other one is dead.
darwin on January 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM
I seen one that had holes in it so as to defeat wind resistance. If I remember correctly, it whistled too.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:46 PM
our kids are to the point that they know when they’re going to get one. The entire case is laid out before them, they are given no room to wiggle or squirm out of it, and by the time the whole case is laid bare before their eyes, they’re far more willing to take the whoopin’ than to continue hear me carrying on about how guilty they are for doing something. Heck, we even have them so trained that they’ll crawl up onto our laps just to get it over with. However, I can’t even recall the last time we had to spank one of them, it’s probably been >1yr.
Choices.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM
I don’t buy that.
Mine used her house slippers. She had a rule about not using her hands (cause she didn’t want us to view them as harmful), and her slippers were always handy.
She’d get so mad when we’d fight each other and tell us how we were her kids and she didn’t want to see us hurt… right before spanking us. I understood her basic point, even then, but I always thought it was a little funny.
Esthier on January 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM
we had one of those! 18-20 inches long, 3/4 inch thick, wrist strap and the words “Moms’ Helping Hand” on it. It looked like a cricket bat or something. *yikes*
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 6:48 PM
They like to lump reasonable corporal-punishment parents in with abusers, thereby producing this result along with the
jgapinoy on January 4, 2010 at 6:48 PM
My aunt abused her two kids the same way. The one (34) lives at home and the other hasn’t been able to get a drivers license for 8 years.
The bleedsblue parenting technique.
BB is an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:49 PM
I’ve seen those too.
This one was eventually broken on a kid. The kid was the principal’s grandson (his mother was the assistant principal), and he deserved every paddling.
Esthier on January 4, 2010 at 6:49 PM
He’s just projecting his own (possibly) subconscious desires onto you.
malclave on January 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM
You’re just nitpicking, you realize that right?
Ingenue on January 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM
You clearly needed more spanking as a child. ;-)
BB, occasionally makes a salient point. But that is a ploy to get the response you just gave. BB is a concern troll. And an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Yes. I think you discerned that well. After certain age a child should understand and respect verbal commands. It’s also the effects of the growing ability in coordination and the physical self control that comes with that maturity. If you have to physically discipline a child later in age say into Middle School you’re probably having significant family issues. I suspect that by the age of 8-9 the formidable use of parental disappointment or disapproval in child’s behavior should be enough to cause an effective emotional response. If not, your child has no conscience. That, I dare say, is a precursor to narcissitic anti-social behavior.
On another note:
Did you just admit to being gay?
Sultry Beauty on January 4, 2010 at 6:51 PM
When Europeans talk about “smacking” they are referring to spanking, not “slapping.” The translation can lose you.
The obvious, as it often is, is right in front of us.
I sit watching some reality TV show, whatever it is called, “Nanny” or something, and these parents live under complete tyranny within their own homes. I see these little kids throwing food, screaming, crying, stomping their feet, crying out in agony as mom and dad just stand their pleading with their little Joey or Suzie. Of course, the good TV Nanny comes to the rescue. Full of good old liberal ideas. A “naughty corner.” And then, fun and games and movie time for all to wrap it up in 60 minutes.
There are two little biscuits on the back of every human. They serve no other purpose but to act as a cushion. There are no vital organs in those biscuits but there is a very efficient communication system that God installed between those biscuits and the brain, a direct line, if you will, that runs from each little biscuit directly to the alert center in the middle of the head. And when the board of education is applied to those biscuits, the message to the brain is simple and clear. “Pay attention here,, something is wrong, that really really hurts!”
Parents who would never allow their precious children to ever endure the smallest of discomfort on their rear ends often, in the end, condemn their children to a lifetime of misery and suffering that will pale in comparison to a few good swats!
If only, I repeat, if only a spanking was the worse thing a child would ever face in life! If it were only ever spankings we had to endure for all of our mistakes, wrongs and failures, life would be so good!
A spanking is but for a moment, drunkenness, drug addiction, lying and debauchery, and the wrecked relationships, loss of jobs and opportunities due to a disrespect for authority can last a life time.
No, spanking will not solve all the problems with raising a child. A child needs 20 hugs for every swat.
But the real reason the libs hate spanking is not because it is painful for the child, or that they actually believe it to be abusive. On the contrary, they hate spanking because they know it actually works. They know a child who respects and honors his parents is not as susceptible to their lib garbage and indoctrination as one who is rebellious!
And to close, many who think spanking is a form of abuse, think nothing of aborting that same child if he or she were still in the womb.
JellyToast on January 4, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Oh man, whenever I REALLY messed up, my momma always set me right…ALWAYS.
That’s what parents are for, I guess. Guide you along the right path and do forceful corrections when needed.
Rightwingguy on January 4, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Later guys….it’s time for me to cook dinner for the wife and then we will clean dishes together.
I’ve got her right where I want her! Subservient!
lol
BB, you’re an idiot.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM
BTW– There is also a study that says due to the stigma of using physical punishments on children, the new spanking is “yelling” at your child. The study also shows that sustained yelling and verbal abuse is more emotionally traumatic to a child. So, I guess it’s pick your better poison or have your child run your home and life.
Sultry Beauty on January 4, 2010 at 6:56 PM
Heh. I definitely had my fair share, at least until my mom started lecturing us instead, and then we wished she’d go back to spanking. At least that was over quickly.
I believe that he trolls sometimes, but I don’t believe he’s stupid. He might pretend to be in a misguided attempt at “beating” someone here, but I think he’s perfectly capable of rational debate when interested.
Maybe I’m just grading on a scale, but I like him more than most of the liberals who come here.
Esthier on January 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Spanking and the threat of spanking was beneficial in my case.
Never had a hand laid on me other than spanking.
MadisonConservative on January 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Haha, my mom’s was “Do you want to come over here and repeat that?”
Needless to say, we never did . . .
Ingenue on January 4, 2010 at 6:59 PM
We used to use corporal punishment in our Public Schools.
We used to have excellent public schools.
We used to have teachers lining up for the privilege of teaching kids who wanted to learn and didn’t need discipline.
NTWR on January 4, 2010 at 7:00 PM
hey, did you hear that? That’s the sound of kids behaving in my house because they know who’s boss and what the rules are. It’s the sound of peace, kids doing their homework, reading or singing.
Can I attribute that all to spanking before the age of 6? Of course not. But it helped.
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM
My mom always signed the corporal punishment release form for my school until she figured I was too big for it.
Rightwingguy on January 4, 2010 at 7:14 PM
Six is the magic number because: this is the age when most children begin to psychologically distinguish the difference between right and wrong, helpful and harmful behaviors. This ability will mature through age 12, after which children will begin to develop independent opinions of right and wrong. At the tender age of five and younger, however, a child only understands punishment and reward. The butt-slap makes a pretty serious impression on a young child – “WHOA, better not do that again!” – and is especially important in situations where a child risks hurting themselves because they can’t comprehend a danger (touching the hot pan on the stove, etc.).
Thank God my parents gave my tush a good whack now and then…. I never stuck staples into the electrical socket again.
Animator Girl on January 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Dude, that’s what you wrote. “The father figure is to be respected and when necessary, feared. This teaches the boys how to be a successful parent and teaches the girls to support their husbands.”
Thanks.
What is a “concern troll,” anyhow? I think I’m much less concerned than you think I am.
By the way, (a la Darwin’s post) I did occasionally spank the kids, none of whom have dropped out of high school or died yet.
Not that they’re perfect, by any stretch.
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM
LOL. Excellent. I think also helpful is not dropping several hundred/sometimes-thousand dollars on your kid at Christmas and birthdays, yes? This time of year always drives me batty watching such insanity.
Animator Girl on January 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM
I’m so glad I don’t live in a country where you can’t give your kid an occasional smack in the rear. Discipline is always and act of love, never hate. It benefits the child tremendously.
Mojave Mark on January 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Dude, I don’t see it.
Ingenue on January 4, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Oh, well. On to other momentous discussions. Like, what is a concern troll?
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 7:33 PM
I have to ask, was that possibly the experience that helped you come up with the nic “Animator Girl”? :)
WhoU4 on January 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM
True
My personal experience with spanking/hand slapping, was simple, consistent and effective. one warning, immediate slap/spanking if not hindered. If consistent there is very little need for physical punishment past the age of 3 years. Must begin very young and never done when angry. The child must know the slap/spank was administered for the behavior. My son received only 1 spanking after the age of 4 years. The age of 13 years. Testing mom.
IowaWoman on January 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Let me get this right, AP and Bill Cosby agree on parental discipline?
LA LA LA LA LA I’m not believing you.
Blacksmith8 on January 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM
As a father of three boys, my ‘scientific’ conclusion is that if you smack them under six, that is what makes them ‘get it’ by six years old. They then want to avoid getting smacked, so they not only can, but will follow directions. If you keep on smaking them, then the parent is likely psycho and the kid becomes one too, IMHO.
JimP on January 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Yep. I’m a kid smacker. Our neighbors have permission to smack our kids if they catch them in an appropriately evil act. Before any parental pacifists ask, no, I’m not going to itemize the circumstances. Let your imaginations run wild.
pugwriter on January 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM
But what if that song they are singing is the BHO Song, and they just won’t stop singing it?
Mmmm mmmm mmmm
“Go get me a switch!”
GnuBreed on January 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Healthy fear is not a bad thing. That does not mean the kind of fear where you are walking around shaking and trembling,, fearing every little moment what horrible thing mom or dad might do. It simply is another word for respect. It’s the same kind of healthy fear one should have for the law. If you’ve done nothing wrong, the idea goes, you don’t really have anything to fear. But when you know you’ve broken the law, people should have a fear of the consequences. The analogy isn’t perfect, because a parent is so much more than just the law. A parent is safety, love and many other things to a child.
Honestly, a kid who has no fear at all of any consequences from mom or dad for breaking rules, is going to end up in serious trouble with everyone else in life. The kid who has no fear of breaking rules at home, will end up breaking laws later on.
JellyToast on January 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Now that was some good writing. I laughed, nodded my head, smiled, and wanted to clap at the last line. Thanks!
IowaWoman on January 4, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Too many variables to say for sure, but maybe the kids getting discipline simply have parents that care enough to correct them when they head in a bad/dangerous direction.
That kind of involvement could explain the “success.”
cs89 on January 4, 2010 at 7:55 PM
Is there anything better then being a parent? It’s so creative and fulfilling. It is without a doubt the best thing I have ever done.
Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 8:12 PM
Exit question: What makes six the magic number? My guess is that that’s when kids finally become intelligent enough to follow verbal commands semi-consistently, but I have a feeling I’m about to be disabused of that notion in the comments rather strenuously.
IMO it is when the long term memory starts. Before the age of six childhood memories are spotty on most adults. Therefore the punishment is “forgotten” but the correct action is learned. After 6 memory is more hardwired and the child has “issues” handling those memories often with outbursts of anger.
unseen on January 4, 2010 at 8:14 PM
Being a Grandpa is pretty cool too, especially when I get to see how well those spankings turned out. My grandsons order fastfood and say yes please and yes ma’am.
thomasaur on January 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM
believe me, if my homeschooled kids would *never* sing that song. Check it, we had some friends over recently and their 7 year old (public schooled kid) starts droning on and on about how Barack Obama is the “most historical president EVER“—yeah, well, my 7 year-old, she laughed at him….!
ted c on January 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM
I used to wonder what kind of change would happen in my required classes (the non-honors-level ones) if the teachers were willing and able to blister the britches of the lazy, petulant classmates I had to endure.
Dark-Star on January 4, 2010 at 8:28 PM
I see what he/she does as mostly disingenuous. BB doesn’t make enough rational points to bother trying to figure it when.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 8:34 PM
He.
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 8:35 PM
No grandbabies for me so far. Darn it.
Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 8:37 PM
The truth is that discipline take consistency and love. As a parent you have to give a damn about what your child is doing and try to teach them better. Sometimes, that includes spanking.
The one thing I enjoy the most about liberals at grocery stores is when they start to count and their child mocks them and counts with them. That is such a pleasure.
meMC on January 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Yep, if ya whip there little asses while they are young and if you do it real hard each and every time they need it, by the time they are 8 or 9 they are like angels.
But if you ain’t gonna really do it right then you are wasting your time and theirs.
esnap on January 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM
That’s because it isn’t there……BB is projecting his/her bias.
To BB, “feared” means trembling at the sight of the father. This is why liberals want to destroy the father figure. To the rest of us normal folk, “feared” means knowing that the father figure will follow through with the consequences that were promised for certain infractions of the rules.
Liberals want a “do-over” whenever they screw up. They ignore the rules, yet support the system of rules that protects THEM from harm.
Spoiled rotten babies is what they are.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 8:41 PM
I really enjoyed the power of hairspray. In 9th grade my daughter thought she knew it all. Got grounded for a week without hairspray. Best punishment ever created in our house. It was simple and we saved money.
meMC on January 4, 2010 at 8:42 PM
And the benefit to society will out live anything Hillary Clinton will do as a feminist. Your kids will raise good kids and so forth and so on.
The family is the basic unit of society. The liberals want it destroyed so they can repalace it with Obama and his Marxist scum.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Okay. He.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM
They are the best, but the hardest too. The habit of parenting kicks in with grandbabies, but it isn’t our job. It’s our kids responsibility to raise them. That means they use their own parenting experience to inform their decisions. Therefore, they screw up…A LOT. As a grandparent, I have to remember that I am my children’s parent first and then a grandparent. As a good parent I understand the value of life lessons. I cannot protect my kids from all their mistakes. That was easy to do as a parent, but seems harder as a grandparent. Go figure.
So, I have great kids, and I trust they will make the right choices for their families. And if they screw up, they’ll learn from it and become better parents in the process.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 8:52 PM
I agree…
lovingmyUSA on January 4, 2010 at 8:55 PM
Does anyone remember this? It’s hysterical!!
Bill Cosby Parents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtkjii0h7Jc
(The pitch is weird–I think the person sped it up a little–but listen to it all, it’s a hoot…)
lovingmyUSA on January 4, 2010 at 9:01 PM
This is how we feel about your posts.
massrighty on January 4, 2010 at 9:22 PM
We had a paddle with the words ‘board of education’ written on it. It lost a bit of its scariness when my baby sister put Hello Kitty stickers all over it.
Hades69 on January 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Google it, in quotes.
massrighty on January 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM
I hope I will remember going to my mom’s house with my kids and having the “older” generation of our family advising. Way too many Chiefs. Well intentioned but very confusing to the little ones.
Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM
All children are North Korean, every time a motivator is taken off the table the closer you come to a nuclear showdown later.
Speakup on January 4, 2010 at 10:12 PM
+1000
unclesmrgol on January 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM
I gave myself a pass the first couple of times, but damn it, I’m an adult and am supposed to modify inappropriate behavior. It is hypocritical to teach my kids to act according to conditions, then toss it out the window when it applies to me.
It’s tough. But as a grandparent, we are beggars at the door (so to speak) and if we want our kids respect, and by extension our grand childrens respect, we need to allow our actions to be informed by our beliefs to the day we die. That makes our family a healthy functional one and not one that could devolve into a dysfunctional one.
csdeven on January 4, 2010 at 10:19 PM
It was a yardstick for my mom. And my dad duct taped it every time it broke. So it was about six 6″ wood pieces taped together like some kind of medieval torture device. They didn’t have to hit me with it anymore after awhile, I just had to see it. I think they still have it tucked away somewhere after all these years just in case I still get out of line.
uknowmorethanme on January 4, 2010 at 10:27 PM
My mom never spanked me, nor even threatened to; my dad hit me on 3 occasions, all out of anger, never using ‘this is for your own good’. He threatened to spank me a few times beyond that. All it did was cause me to lose respect for him, and resentment.
Parents resort to swatting and spanking when they aren’t smart/wise enough to know how to control their kids w/o doing so.
Bizarro No. 1 on January 4, 2010 at 10:44 PM
Elephants that are not spanked by older elephants are typically shot by villagers.
Human Animal parallel.
father on January 4, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Smacking is an act of love by a parent to discipline their child in a corrective way if done simply on the rear where God put more ….matter.
Boys who didn’t get spanked that young are victims of child neglect.
But I just could never spank a girl. Girls are special. Boys are expendable.
:)
Sapwolf on January 4, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Such as?
Chris_Balsz on January 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM
You have a genius for taking a modest disagreement — heck, I’m not even sure we disagree — and extrapolating at a frightening speed. “Destroy the father figure.” You’re very strange.
Did so. It’s definitely not me. I’m just a troll troll and do not couch my views in the “concern” camouflage.
Touche.
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM
1. I’d like to ask the 71% of Brits who claim spanking is cruel what they think about abortion.
2. So the United Nations claims that spanking is cruel, yet there is the ultra-benevolent United Nations Population Fund. Makes perfect sense… /sarc
3. Perhaps the reason kids who are spanked after age 6 statistically get in more trouble is because they are bad eggs from the start. If my kid were getting in fights past age 6, I’d spank him, too. The furthest this study can go is proving that a correlation between spanking past age 6 and patterns of misbehavior exist, but nothing in terms of causation. Nothing within the bounds of this study can answer the question of “why”. It can only show that a pattern exists.
Send_Me on January 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Never had to spank, but don’t know whether that was good luck or good management. What I did find out empirically, though, is that the level of objectionable behavior was inversely proportional to time invested being “Dad”.
mr.blacksheep on January 4, 2010 at 11:21 PM
BleedsBlue
Bizarro, such a general statement begs for an example. My parents spanked me, both are very intelligent and well respected in their community. In fact, the parents I knew who spanked their children in a responsible manner were all very good parents and not what you’d call “ignorant.”
Ingenue on January 4, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Psychologically.
Parents have all the power; kids have none. Wise parents understand this, and use the leverage they have to get their kids to stay in line.
If a parent loses patience with his/her child, that’s on the weak parent, not the kid. If a parent is perfectly patient with his/her kid, s/he knows that the kid will always give in in the end because the kid has no power over the parent that the parent hasn’t given up to the kid.
Unforunately, we have too many wimpy parents in this world who spoil their children, or abuse them, because they don’t have the patience to take the time to teach their kids good manners.
Bizarro No. 1 on January 4, 2010 at 11:26 PM
I was referring to another poster.
I earlier admitted to spanking and being spanked and, to my knowledge, have not used the word “ignorant” in this discussion (though I’m too lazy to go back and check at this point).
I am unclear as to your intent.
Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM
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