Could Democrats capture Tea Party fever?

posted at 2:55 pm on January 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

This weekend’s results from Rasmussen on party identification raise an interesting question.  Can Democrats exploit Tea Party fervor to keep seats in Congress?  A.C. Kleinheider takes a look at Tennessee, where some of those battles will be fought in 2010:

Gov. Phil Bredesen was unique in his ability to out-Republican a GOP opponent and get away with it. Progressives are right when they say that there’s no point in trying to be Republican lite. Given the choice between a Democrat acting like a Republican and a real Republican, voters will choose the Republican. But that doesn’t mean that Democrats need to come at the electorate with a standard-issue liberal portfolio either.

This tea party movement, this seething anger, is being driven and co-opted by Republicans. But at its core, the outrage isn’t ideological. It isn’t even necessarily anti-government. It’s just anti-this-government.

Those caught up in tea party hysteria are the kind of voters Ross Perot captured in 1992. Two years later, without Perot, these foaming, vaguely culturally conservative, middle-income voters went Republican.

But these voters, unlike their tea party activist manipulators, don’t give a damn about Edmund Burke, Ludwig Von Mises or Ayn Rand. They want jobs and a government that makes sense to them — that’s it. As long as Democratic candidates don’t explicitly agitate their culturally conservative sensibilities and can deflect the appeals Republicans make on those hot-button social issues, these voters can be won over with economic arguments.

Jazz Shaw made a similar argument after seeing the Rasmussen numbers.  After all, while Democrats have dropped to their lowest level of partisan identification in years, Republicans don’t appear to be picking up significant converts, either.  The radical agenda of Nancy Pelosi has repelled voters, but Republicans have not yet taken advantage, probably due to a lack of a national platform.

However, I’d be highly skeptical of the notion that Democrats can capture Tea Party fever.  The Tea Party movement has come almost entirely as a reaction to the Pelosi agenda and the Obama attempt to force it through Congress.  Movement adherents may not dig von Mises or Burke, but they also know that higher taxes and larger government interventions have come from Democrats much more than Republicans.  The basic impulse of anti-incumbency hits Democrats more than Republicans, and especially Democratic leadership.  Given the supine nature of Blue Dogs in the House health-care vote in November, people understand that the corrective to the Pelosi agenda is not to send more Democrats to Congress.

The true impact of the Tea Party movement will be felt in Republican primaries more than general elections — and perhaps in Democratic primaries, although that seems less likely.  Conservatives will flood the zone looking for fiscal conservatives and smaller-government candidates, attempting to thwart the Pelosi-Reid-Obama agenda before it can get passed in Congress.  That explicitly relies on getting Nancy Pelosi out of the speaker’s chair, which means electing non-Democrats.  At least for now, that also means Republicans, but that doesn’t mean that the GOP can become complacent.  They need to focus like a laser on those issues that unite the Tea Party activists, Republican establishment, and independents disgusted with the excesses of one-party Democratic governance in Washington.  If they can do that, Republicans can recapture the House and put a big dent in the Democratic majority in the Senate.

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The party of small government. (that would be the Tea Party movement)

When the Dems stand for smaller gov’t with some fiscal restraint….sure, join us in drinking some tea. Until then….

bridgetown on January 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Not holding my breath on expecting the Republicans to act intelligently

Sugarbuzz on January 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM

without Perot, these foaming, vaguely culturally conservative

unlike their tea party activist manipulators, don’t give a damn about Edmund Burke, Ludwig Von Mises or Ayn Rand

It never ceases to amaze me how much contempt your average liberal has for anyone who isn’t a liberal.

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM

But at its core, the outrage isn’t ideological.

Oh yes it is.

John the Libertarian on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Uh, most tea partiers I know, including me, think Democrats have become commie-lite, with not so much of the “lite” lately.

Republicans just need to be conservative and stay on message and vote accordingly.

forest on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

It’s because the Tea Party isn’t really articulating much of anything.

They are just proclaiming what they are against, and what they are for is merely a collection of platitudes about freedom and Amuurrricuh.

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

As long as Democratic candidates don’t explicitly agitate their culturally conservative sensibilities and can deflect the appeals Republicans make on those hot-button social issues, these voters can be won over with economic arguments.

Transition: National Socialist Democrats fooled people once, we can fool the again!

Vote for Us and we’ll rob from the “Evil” rich and give the money to you.

Chip on January 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM

no word from Michael Steele yet…..word he was busy writing some checks to Dede Scumafozia….

SDarchitect on January 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

It’s because the Tea Party isn’t really articulating much of anything.

They are just proclaiming what they are against, and what they are for is merely a collection of platitudes about freedom and Amuurrricuh.

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Unadulterated bullsh*t

bill30097 on January 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Given the choice between a Democrat acting like a Republican and a real Republican, voters will choose the Republican.

And yet, the GOP firmly belives that the reverse is not true. They think that voters will choose a Republican acting like a Democrat over an actual Democrat. That strategy got us to where we are today.

Why, the Dems are excluding the moderates from their party. This idealogical purity they have will doom them. That’s what we always here, isn’t it?

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

The article implies that dems need to lie to the voters to get elected. That is clear, because it is obvious that a dem will vote however their leadership tells them to, regardless of any promises made.

Vashta.Nerada on January 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Could Democrats capture Tea Party fever?

I don’t think you can use what you don’t comprehend. If anything, trying to “capture” the fever would likely backfire.

n0doz on January 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

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I was thinking more of a TAR (and feathers) PARTY for the democRATs. Hold the tea–bring the rails and ropes instead.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on January 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

BB, you’re a great young commenter here but I don’t understand this one. Why must we articulate anything about healthcare? How about our healthcare plan is, you provide for your healthcare?

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Unadulterated bullsh*t

bill30097 on January 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

No, it isn’t.

It’s entirely true.

Hell, look at conservative TV ads:

The Conservatives for Patients Rights Group is a joke. Every ad is why Obama’s plan is wrong. Why don’t they produce ads outlining a comprehensive plan of their own as an alternative?

People like alternatives.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

If the Tea Partiers want smaller government and lower taxes, why would they vote for the party that quadrupled the deficits since last year?

As one Democrat put it in 1992, “It’s the economy, stupid!”

Steve Z on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Anything liberals take part in end up with scary signs and scary men walking around with their faces hidden under black bandanas.

No thanks.

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

They are just proclaiming what they are against, and what they are for is merely a collection of platitudes about freedom and Amuurrricuh.

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

You seem to miss the point. Government doesn’t need a health care plan. It shouldn’t be IN the health care business. The Tea Party stands for individual liberty and smaller government. That includes planks such as lower taxes, clearer legislation, and less spending.

Saying the Tea Party movement needs to have a health care plan is like saying the Democrats need to show how they’re dismantling the social safety net. The very idea is antithetical to the movement.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The author is demonstrating his contempt for those involved in the Tea Party activities. There are Democrats to be found at these events as well as the dissafected Republicans.

And I take issue with the condescention that just because you fly a Gadsden flag that you aren’t familiar with John Locke. It is not the Tea Party people that are trying to fundamentally change America.

They think that there was something pretty special about the DOI and the USC that transcends centuries and generations.

turfmann on January 4, 2010 at 3:07 PM

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Because there are things to be done with healthcare, hawk.

Healthcare shouldn’t be left as is. There should be less government.

Start talking about customization, state mandate laws. Get specific.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

And that’s the point.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

No chance.

darwin on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

There is a very good reason an ass is the symbol of the Democrat party.

CC

CapedConservative on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

BB, you’re a great young commenter here but I don’t understand this one. Why must we articulate anything about healthcare? How about our healthcare plan is, you provide for your healthcare?

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

That sounds like an EXCELLENT plan. Lower U.S. tax rates, giving Americans more money to purchase their own insurance.

The whole “conservatives don’t have a plan” meme is bogus anyway. Lots of different conservative people and groups have put forward ideas.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

But at its core, the outrage isn’t ideological.

It isn’t partisan, but it is very much ideological.

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

You mean like against Bush as your only real position? See my prior comment….

CC

CapedConservative on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

The whole “conservatives don’t have a plan” meme is bogus anyway. Lots of different conservative people and groups have put forward ideas.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

We do have plans. We have the ideas. There is simply not enough articulation. That’s all I’m saying.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The quality of the trolls on this blog has really gone into the crapper.

Cicero43 on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

You need to get out more.

jwolf on January 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Iowahawk good satire!

daesleeper on January 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Those caught up in tea party hysteria are the kind of voters Ross Perot captured in 1992. Two years later, without Perot, these foaming, vaguely culturally conservative, middle-income voters went Republican.

Back in my younger years, I was one of those “foaming, vaguely cultrurally conservative…” voters. However, I don’t recall any foaming. Perot simply offered an alternative to the status quo that seemed to make sense and garnered a significant percentage of the vote as a result. I don’t think the anger then (to the extent there was any) is anything like it is today. The tea party bloc of voters I think is significantly larger and angrier and will make a huge difference in the coming elections. And I don’t think the voters will be won over by the Democrat economic arguments. It is the Dems who are responsible for our current state of affairs, (recent and past legislation).

glennbo on January 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

1) The Republicans have had a plan. Several in fact.
2) They have been articulating those plans.
3) The media continues to refuse to cover the Republicans when they talk about their plans.
4) People then complain that the Republicans have no plans.

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Geez, BB- Have you even BEEN TO a Tea Party event? Are you even vaguely aware of all the Republican proposals on healthcare that have been stuffed by the Pelosi machine?

But, like you I do think that any Republican candidate for 2010 who DOES articulate real PLANS for the sane, market-based reforms that I’ve seen at Tea Party events will win BIG.

Fishoutofwater on January 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Who’s droning? The first step in fixing something is to correctly identify what causing the problem. Our problems have gotten to this point specifically because most are too afraid to call these bastards exactly what they are. They are socialists … they are Marxists and communists, and yes, ObamaCare is evil.

darwin on January 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I like the line that the Tea Parties aren’t anti-government but anit-thisgovernment. They just don’t get it, it’s always personal with these folks.

Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

Worked for the Obamacrats.

Maybe we can offer meaningless, vapid slogans like CHANGE and HOPE in place of policy positions like they did.

We don’t need an “alternative government health care plan.” Most Americans like their health care. Tweak the system – allow for more competition, deregulate across state lines and allow portability, don’t increase entitlements, etc.

Those are some of the alternatives to the current excuse for “policy.”

The overall message is HEY, GOVERNMENT: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY HEALTH CARE AND STOP BANKRUPTING THE NATION, YOU F*CKING IDIOTS.

Got it? You’re trying to make this harder than it is. We’re trying to REDUCE government, not provide a different government of equal size and intrusiveness.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican.
Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Help me. In Cook County African-Americans “leaders” want only one African-American to run for Cook Country President so a white person does not via splitting the vote (as seen in Atlanta too). This is obviously a racist posture, but last I check these people are Dems. What am I missing?

WashJeff on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Fishoutofwater on January 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I’ve been to tea parties, and was thoroughly disgusted

I was part of a military advocacy group that met every week for four years in support the US military, and when the whole Johnny Come Lately’s Righteous Tea Party Anger came (AFTER the election, conveniently), we were absorbed by a large conservative tea party group.

I haven’t gone back.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how most liberals are utterly incapable of thinking for themselves.

Every single racist that I know and know of, is a Democrat.

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider

Not all retards are liberal, but all liberals are retards, etc.

I believe Louis Farrahkan isn’t a Republican, but he is a racist. So is Sen. Byrd, Al Gore Sr., Noam Chomsky, etc. You name it, they are ALL Dems.

JAM on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

In my heart I feel like about half of the American People are going to give you the time of day politically unless what you talk about on an issue is how you are going to provide it for them free BB. We’re past fixing nuances of inefficiencies in the system. The left has decried the inequality of those who do with less and convinced a majority whatever “it’ is is a birthright.

Tell me what can be fixed in the healthcare system that people would respond to, that would make them say, hey that’s a whole lot better than a handout.

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

uh
I didn’t say we need a government plan.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:16 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

You’re arguing we should make up some crap and run on that, like Obama did? Transparency. An end to dealmaking in Washington. Throwing out the lobbyists. A new era of bi-partisanship.

Hell, we could just take 90% of Obama’s platform and run on it.

It’s certainly true that people might not like the reality of a tea party government as much as they like the idea. When the flow of handouts gets reduced to your neighbor, it’s fiscal conservatism. But when you stop awarding MY handouts, that’s injustice! But we won’t know how people respond to a smaller government until we get the chance make it happen.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:16 PM

This tea party movement, this seething anger, is being driven and co-opted by Republicans. But at its core, the outrage isn’t ideological. It isn’t even necessarily anti-government. It’s just anti-this-government.
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Yes, and THIS government is Democrats. The very (D) next to their name will be poison outside of the Northeast and the West coast.

uknowmorethanme on January 4, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Everyone note that it is a Fister leftist that was the first to mention race in this discussion.

Why does the left continually obsess about race?

Projection can be a terrible thing.

Chip on January 4, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Why don’t they produce ads outlining a comprehensive plan of their own as an alternative?

I think the Republicans ought to start opposing comprehensive legislative plans. It always ends up promoting big government and huge pork. It defeats real reform, because it allows mercenary Congressmen to hold obviously sensible reforms to ransom. Congress can’t resolve every issue in a few months anyhow, so they end up empowering an agency to draft its own solutions.

“Comprehensive” immigration reform killed all immigration reform. We’re somehow obliged to fix it all at once or leave it alone.

As hawksrule4eva says, this isn’t even a federal responsibility.

Chris_Balsz on January 4, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Possibly the most profoundly ignorant statement I’ve ever read. Your statement pretty much illustrates the level of cognitive disability and disconnect from reality that makes us think you libs are all mentally ill.

Fishoutofwater on January 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Hell, we could just take 90% of Obama’s platform and run on it.

You left out the evergreen “ending government waste, fraud and abuse.”

Cicero43 on January 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM

half of the American People aren’t going to give

Okay, time to quit for the night.

hawkdriver on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.

The resistance to Civil Rights was by Democrats.

Just saying.

uknowmorethanme on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM

I have written four senators about the ability of citizens to buy insurance across state lines, a cap on the pain and suffering porition of lawsuits and have been ignored by all them. You can ask the questions and give alternatives but you can’t make them respond. What you see as a failure to articulate I see as another failure of the media to do anything but push their party line support.

Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

There may be individual Democrats in certain areas that could appeal to the tea party folks. As a party? Ah, no way. The actions of the Obama admin and Congress kill that.

echosyst on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

“Politicians are Jackasses” isn’t a winning strategy :P

Hey, if you guys think that’s a better strategy than talking about healthcare customization, interstate competition for insurance groups, eliminating state mandates, and reducing government involvement in insurance matters, run with it.

I’m all for yelling, but let’s start yelling something better, plz.

Plz

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

uh
I didn’t say we need a government plan.

Neither did I.

You asked what we are for.

We’re for limited government and for rolling back the Obamacrat over-reach. We’re for restoring a measure if fiscal sanity to government. We’re for our current health care system with a focus on making private insurance cheaper and against a government take-over of said system proposed by the statists in Washington.

The “tea party” is not a political party. It isn’t there to offer “alternatives” to the Obamacrats. It’s there to STOP the Obamacrats and roll them back to the fringes so that freedom and capitalism can help fix the things that are wrong with current system. That IS an alternative to the status quo.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Help me. In Cook County African-Americans “leaders” want only one African-American to run for Cook Country President so a white person does not via splitting the vote (as seen in Atlanta too). This is obviously a racist posture, but last I check these people are Dems. What am I missing?

WashJeff on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

In a sane world, you would be right. But as we both know, Cook County is not a sane world. So here’s the answer: silly you, it’s not the black leaders trying to rig the election who are racist; rather, the racist is the white candidate who has the audacity to offer the voters a choice, thereby potentially depriving them of the black official they deserve. Got it?

jwolf on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Hey, if you guys think that’s a better strategy than talking about healthcare customization, interstate competition for insurance groups, eliminating state mandates, and reducing government involvement in insurance matters, run with it.

We have been. Where have you been?

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

If the Democratic Party wanted to become the party of small government, low taxes, states’ rights, gun rights, property rights and engage in a War on Terror… I’ll become a Democrat.

The Tea Party movement may not be explicitly Republican, but you have to cross the path of a Republican to get to a Democrat from the tea party (and vice versa). I don’t see many Democrats being able to pull off that place-switching.

mankai on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

There is a significant opportunity for big gains in November but there’s also a strong probability that the GOP will screw it up.

rplat on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.

The resistance to Civil Rights was by Democrats.

Just saying.

uknowmorethanme on January 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM

You realize that things cange over the course of 40 years, right? there was one candidate for president who opposed the King holiday. Guess which party?

By the way, the overwhelming majority of Democrats not representing the old Confederacy were pro-civil rights.

Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM

I find it hard to believe that Democrats would want to learn how to speak “TeaBag” (many thanks to NPR … NOT).

J_Crater on January 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

WTH? Is someone posting under your name?

Cindy Munford on January 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

oh please

rob verdi on January 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Yeah. I oppose Pelosi’s plan because she’s black. And I oppose Harry Reid’s plan because he’s black. And I oppose Nelson’s compromise because he’s black.

Seriously, regardless of your melanin level, you’re a moron. Obama doesn’t have a plan. He left it up to the Democrats in Congress. How does opposing Congress’s plan make us racist?

Now, you could try to make a thoughtful argument that denying health care to the poor would hurt minorities disproportionately. But you didn’t even try. Of course, that argument is wrong, too, but it would’ve at least been a reasonable position to support.

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

There is a significant opportunity for big gains in November but there’s also a strong probability the reality that the GOP will screw it up.

rplat on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

uknowmorethanme on January 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Democrats already have their own version of Tea-Partiers. In fact, they have several versions. They’re called “Code Pink”, “ACORN”, “PETA”, “MorOn.org” (er, MoveOn.org), etc.

olesparkie on January 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

In my opinion, allowing competition across state lines and some form of tort reform are the only changes needed right now.

Much of the cost of health insurance is due to the willingness of state legislatures to add more and more mandates regarding what a plan must carry. If you don’t want a plan that covers accupuncture and therapuetic massages, tough luck. Because of generous campaign contributions to the head of the insurance sub-committee, all plans offered by instate insurers, must carry those things. Being able to buy out of state insurance enables people to pick carriers that offer the plans they want, not what their state wants them to have. The states that offer the most flexibility will find their insurance carriers growing, at the expense of less flexible states. The magic of the market will then force all states to start listening to what the buyers want, not what the most vocal minority wants.

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Tort reform
(knew I was forgetting something, thnx)

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Gosh, Ms. Garofalo. I didn’t know you posted here.

kingsjester on January 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican. Therefore, Tea Baggers will always be Republican.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

You forgot “neener neener neeener”

bloviator on January 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Tea Baggers are people who are afraid of a Black President. It has nothing to do with Democrats or taxes or any other so called reason for their being.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Just like those dastardly tea baggers killed HillaryCare in 93 because, er, Hillary Clinton was black.

Go sit in the corner.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

You realize that things change over the course of 40 years, right?

Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Indeed they do. We as a society no longer even pretend to care about the content of a person’s character. Instead, we have a national obsession about skin color. That’s not progress in my book.

jwolf on January 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I’ve been to 3 tea party events. All races, genders, ages etc. were affiliated. Absent were moochers, nonproducers, nanny state wimps that would’ve pickpocketed the law abiding citizens in attendance. I live an a deep blue city surrounded by a sea of red in Virginia. Each time, the place was packed.

It’s unfortunate that our supposedly “educated” opponents on the left cannot see that America is revolting against their sickening policies. However, please continue with the “party of no” stuff, socialists—because, when someone is getting raped I believe that we can all agree that “no means no.” It goes for politics too.

What is someone supposed to say if they feel their freedom and liberty is being violated? Yes, well maybe? Sure, just a little more? WTF? The failure of logic on the left is simply stupefying. Wise up, lefties, you’re going to get rolled this year, and rolled hard–and you’ll be yelling, “Nooooo!” the whole time.

ted c on January 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

You realize that things cange over the course of 40 years, right? there was one candidate for president who opposed the King holiday. Guess which party?

Bleeds Blue on January 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Opposing a federally mandated holidy makes someone a racist?

MarkTheGreat on January 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

You realize that things cange over the course of 40 years, right?

Yup.

Democrats used to be pro-tax cut, pro-military and anti-Communist.

JFK wouldn’t recognize his party today.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:28 PM

But these voters, unlike their tea party activist manipulators, don’t give a damn about Edmund Burke, Ludwig Von Mises or Ayn Rand. They want jobs and a government that makes sense to them — that’s it.

A best seller list dominated by conservative authors, as well as popular and educational conservative talk radio and t.v. would belie this theory, as well as the snark about “activist manipulators”.

Yes we/they want a government that ‘makes sense’, but the author is a fool to suffer the conceit that we’re a bunch of uneducated sheep who aren’t familiar with past or present conservative/libertarian intellectual standard bearers and their principles of…ta da… classical liberalism.

Buy Danish on January 4, 2010 at 3:29 PM

But all the right wing groups do is just drone on about socialism, fascism, Obama’s evil healthcare. You can’t win merely being against stuff.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

If you are against something, you are then, in theory, for the opposing view.

1921 C DRUM on January 4, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Is the Tea Party the same thing as the GOP? The GOP has advocated some specific proposals for improving the existing health care system. The Tea Party movement has not.

But the Tea Party isn’t really a poltical party at this point. Will it become one? And if so, will it act as a spoiler that allows the Dems to retain power?

hawksruleva on January 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM

As long as Democratic candidates don’t explicitly agitate their culturally conservative sensibilities and can deflect the appeals Republicans make on those hot-button social issues, these voters can be won over with economic arguments.

Sounds like Kleinheider’s been smoking some serious Tennessee Wacky Tabacky!

The Tea Party Movement sprang forth as a result of outrage over absolutely atrocious GOVT SPENDING, BORROWING, AND DEBT!!!

The notion that TPM adherents would ever look to Democrats — who, through Porkulus, Tax-En-Slave, and Commie-Obammie-Care, have completely let the mask slip on their uber-statist intentions — as an option for reigning in this madness is completely hallucinatory!

rvastar on January 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Is the Tea Party the same thing as the GOP? The GOP has advocated some specific proposals for improving the existing health care system. The Tea Party movement has not.

The tea party is a philosophical movement and not an organized political party – for better or worse.

The GOP is a political party badly in need of a philosophical overhauling, house-cleaning and re-tooling – for better or worse.

Do the math.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM

At the national level, any Democrat attempting to ride the populist wave while running for the House or Senate will have to answer the question, “If elected, will you caucus with and/or vote for the election of the Democratic leader in the House/Senate to be Speaker/Majority Leader?”

That’s the problem some of the incumbent Blue Dogs are going to be facing in November, and it’s hard to fathom how a ground-up activist, anti-status quo movement would then turn around and have a large number of its people support a candidate who’s going to vote for Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or Dick Durbin to be the congressional leaders for 2011-12. You might see some effort at the state and local level to pull it off, but not here.

jon1979 on January 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM, etc.

You are monumentally underinformed to the extent that I have difficulty believing that you have ever tried to listen.

e.g.

1. remove the barrier to interstate insurance sales
2. give individual insurance expenses the same tax treatment as company expenses
3. cap punitive awards in medical malpractice suits

etc.

And for Pete’s sake, do not do any of the things proposed in the Democrat bills.

Talk to any Tea Party person with a three digit IQ and you should get a similar answer.

Troll Feeder on January 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Uh, no. Not even close.

Listen, I know Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich did a great job pitching the idea of “ideas uber alles.” But having ideas, at this time and place, makes conservatives responsible for trying to get them implemented, regardless of whether or not the power to implement those ideas can be attained.

Didn’t Howard Dean teach you anything these last few years when he said “I don’t need ideas?” We don’t need ideas, nor the responsibility that comes with those ideas.

BradSchwartze on January 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Democrat who endorses and supports a smaller goverment and a reduced amount of government intervention and intrusion in people’s lives?

Don’t they call something like that a D-I-N-O?

pilamaye on January 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM

But at its core, the outrage isn’t ideological. It isn’t even necessarily anti-government. It’s just anti-this-government.

No greater misunderstanding has ever been written, and that includes the statement, “the world will never have a need for a personal computer.” I’ve been to many Tea Party meetings, and events, and it is nothing if not ideological.

Weight of Glory on January 4, 2010 at 3:36 PM

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Glenn Beck would probably be the first FoxNews host to tell you that “better articulation” of ideas sounds good, but is highly unprofitable from a media standpoint. There’s a reason why Glenn Beck is able to shape TV to fit his personality in ways Rush Limbaugh never could, and it has little to nothing to do with “better articulation of ideas.”

BradSchwartze on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Seems like the partial solution to healthcare is already trying to grow. Go to the doctor…pay in cash. Insurance should be for catastrophic coverage not sniffles. Prior to insurance coverage health care costs were reasonable and within peoples ability to pay. Government intervention and insurance take over is what has caused the system to fail. Capitalism is the answer…get the government out of the way of the solution.

trs on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

The quality of the trolls on this blog has really gone into the crapper.

Cicero43 on January 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Heh. He forgot “unmitigated douchebaggery.”

NathanG on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Tea Party IS anti-government, the less government, the better!

Dandapani on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

They are just proclaiming what they are against, and what they are for is merely a collection of platitudes about freedom and Amuurrricuh.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Whoa, did SesquipedoGrowsCrrr6ChekoteDrywall343 hijack Blatant’s keyboard? /s

portlandon on January 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Seems like the partial solution to healthcare is already trying to grow. Go to the doctor…pay in cash. Insurance should be for catastrophic coverage not sniffles. Prior to insurance coverage health care costs were reasonable and within peoples ability to pay. Government intervention and insurance take over is what has caused the system to fail. Capitalism is the answer…get the government out of the way of the solution.

trs on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Exactly! A lot of people my age, I believe, have catastrophic healthcare only. Why shouldn’t that be the answer? We’re already way in over our heads on spending with Medicare and Medicaid. I am for spending to close the loopholes/donut holes for Medicare recipients. Medicare is not going away.

NathanG on January 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Alternatives? We don need no stinkin’ alternatives.

Just get the freakin’ government out of it all!

Smaller government; personal responsibility.

How hard is ithat?

davidk on January 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Whoa, did SesquipedoGrowsCrrr6ChekoteDrywall343 hijack Blatant’s keyboard? /s

portlandon on January 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

possession

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:42 PM

If the Democratic Party wanted to become the party of small government, low taxes, states’ rights, gun rights, property rights and engage in a War on Terror… I’ll become a Democrat.

mankai on January 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Because everyone knows it’s not cool to be a Republican.

BradSchwartze on January 4, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Go shit in the corner.

Good Lt on January 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Fixed it.

NathanG on January 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Tea Partier:

Someone who hates Republican politicians,

And who hates Democrat politicians and everything they stand for with a white-hot, burning hatred that won’t be satisfied until every last one of the criminal, lying, arrogant, greedy, sonuvabitches is driven from office and either ruined for life or locked away in a deep dark hole where sun will never shine.

I think that about captures it.

notagool on January 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

I am beginning to believe that a lot of the tea party activists are Democrats who are having problems with their own leadership. I live in a very Republican area and there has not been much interest in the Tea Parties. We had a nice party last April, but about half the people were pushing Fair Tax. Most Republicans understand the democrats are going to tax and spent as much as possible. Yelling about it does not make much difference. I think it is the Democrats that are seeing just how much pork and spending there is in the Democrat Congress and they are the ones doing the yelling. This is something that should worry the democrats. Living in the South, I saw what happen when people with strong ties to the democrat party change to the Republican party. They don’t change back.

jeannie on January 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Tea Party IS anti-government, the less government, the better!

Dandapani on January 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

No government or small government is an unattainable goal. Therefore, the Tea Party movement is no different than a bunch of angry old men trying to send back cold soup in a diner.

They have no agenda, no platform, no solutions, no goals whatsoever. They are just a angry mob of hate. Nothing more, nothing less.

Decider on January 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Time to start articulating more properly what our PLAN is for healthcare, not only why Obarfy’s plan is wrong.

blatantblue on January 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Here is the plan articulated to perfection. LESS GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT, NOT MORE.

Youngs98 on January 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Sorta OT, but it’s fun watching NPR getting swarmed in comments for their little “teabag” smear video. Even Iowahawk is joining in.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/storyComments.php?storyId=120344047&pageNum=1

juliesa on January 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM

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