Dems declare war on Rasmussen?

posted at 12:00 pm on January 3, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

There is a saying in litigation that one argues the facts when the facts are on one’s side, the law when the facts aren’t, and attack the character of witnesses when neither the law nor the facts support one’s case.  Apparently, the same holds true in politics.  Politico’s Alex Isenstadt reports that Democrats finding themselves hammered in the polls have decided to blame not their radical agenda or the failure of their economic polices, but the pollster for reporting the findings:

Democrats are turning their fire on Scott Rasmussen, the prolific independent pollster whose surveys on elections, President Obama’s popularity and a host of other issues are surfacing in the media with increasing frequency.

The pointed attacks reflect a hardening conventional wisdom among prominent liberal bloggers and many Democrats that Rasmussen Reports polls are, at best, the result of a flawed polling model and, at worst, designed to undermine Democratic politicians and the party’s national agenda. …

While Scott Rasmussen, the firm’s president, contends that he has no ax to grind — his bio notes that he has been “an independent pollster for more than a decade” and “has never been a campaign pollster or consultant for candidates seeking office” — his opponents on the left insist he is the hand that feeds conservative talkers a daily trove of negative numbers that provides grist for attacks on Obama and the Democratic Party.

Nothing, however, sets off liberal teeth gnashing more than Rasmussen’s daily presidential tracking polls, which throughout the year have consistently placed Obama’s approval numbers around 5 percentage points lower than other polling outfits.

“He polls less favorably for Democrats, and that’s why he’s become a lightning rod,” said Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political scientist who studies polling. “It’s clear that his results are typically more Republican than the other person’s results.”

None of the critics have any substantive complaints about Rasmussen’s methodology.  The entire article, fueled mainly by complaints from left-wing apologist Media Matters, consists of gripes about the results of Rasmussen polling.  Isenstadt notes that liberal pollster Nate Silver gave Rasmussen the nod as the third-most accurate pollster in predicting outcomes of elections.  They beat most of the pollsters in 2009′s New Jersey gubernatorial election, for instance, and have a long track record of highly accurate predictions.

The complaint comes from the difference in results between Rasmussen and other national pollsters, such as Gallup.  However, they use two different sampling techniques: Rasmussen polls likely voters, while Gallup and others poll adults until the final few weeks before an election.  The former is much more predictive for elections, while polling a general population of adults is the least predictive sampling technique.  And that difference gives Rasmussen an advantage that has already been seen this year.  Rasmussen first detected the erosion of support for Obama and ObamaCare in late June, an erosion that other pollsters corroborated in the fall as discontent spread from the politically aware to the general population.

There are other differences that are less innocent.  Isenstadt notes the difference in Real Clear Politics’ polling index between Rasmussen and the rest of the pollsters RCP tracks.  However, RCP includes in those averages polls conducted by media outlets like the New York Times and CBS, and ABC and the Washington Post, that routinely use double-digit gaps between Democrats and Republicans in their sample.  I have reported on the reliance of samples with gaps between 12 to 16 points favoring Democrats, a ridiculous sample considering Obama won his presidential election by seven points nationwide, and that with significant Republican crossover.  When ABC and the Post reduced their sample gap to six points, arguably an accurate representation of the electorate, Obama’s numbers plunged across the board.

And along those lines, the picture looks like it might get worse anyway:

In December, the number of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats fell to the lowest level recorded in more than seven years of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports.

Currently, 35.5% of American adults view themselves as Democrats. That’s down from 36.0 a month ago and from 37.8% in October. Prior to December, the lowest total ever recorded for Democrats was 35.9%, a figure that was reached twice in 2005. See the History of Party Trends from January 2004 to the present.

The number of Republicans inched up by a point in December to 34.0%. That’s the highest total for Republicans since December 2007, just before the 2008 presidential campaign season began.

However, the number of Republicans in the country is essentially no different today than it was in November 2008 when Barack Obama was elected president.

The change since Obama’s election is that the number of Democrats has fallen by six percentage points and the number of voters not affiliated with either major party has grown by six. The number of adults not affiliated with either party is currently at 30.6%, up from 24.7% in November 2008.

That puts the partisan gap at around 1.5%.  How many of the polls from media outlets will show this kind of gap in the sample?  How many will keep the sample gap to single digits?  Rasmussen has so far been proven correct by subsequent polling, even those desperately seeking massive Democratic imbalances.

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I know it won’t be a Democrat! Of course not! It’s NEVER their fault!

manateespirit on January 3, 2010 at 1:05 PM

It’s like when they lose an election. They blame the voters for being clueless and not appreciating the wonders of liberlism, so they try to figure out how to “communicate” it better.

They never examine the fundamental problems in their platform. They just look for a new ad agency to re-tool the lefty message so the sheeple will fall for it.

Wethal on January 3, 2010 at 1:25 PM

How long before the Dems cut out the middleman and just start blaming the American people directly for their own disastrous reign?

Mark1971 on January 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Well, they DID elect him. Of course, he lied about what he was going to do if elected, but still…

disa on January 3, 2010 at 1:25 PM

“It is clear that Rasmussen is not adequately representing likely voters — where are all the dead voters and 7X voters in this poll sample?”

GnuBreed on January 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM

I like this. Don’t blame the behavior/policies that produces bad poll numbers, blame to poller!I love this mentality.

Rightwingguy on January 3, 2010 at 1:28 PM

to = “the”

I’ve noticed that since leaving college, my English has gotten worser.

Rightwingguy on January 3, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Here’s PollingReport.com’s compendium of health-care tracking polls sans Rasmussen:

http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

Here’s Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

Reads about the same.

It’s just that in combining presidential and health-care tracking, Rasmussen has an unwanted President getting ready to sign an unwanted bill.

Doorgunner on January 3, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Maybe if they actually listened to their constituents and put together policies the majority of Americans could get behind, their numbers would improve. End of pollster problem.

scalleywag on January 3, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I blame my bathroom scale for my holiday weight gain.

mankai on January 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Ha!

RachDubya on January 3, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Their internals must be showing similar results.

Jvette on January 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Another way of saying scared sh*tless?

karl9000 on January 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Excuse me, “Precedent.”

Doorgunner on January 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Wethal on January 3, 2010 at 1:25 PM

No, no. When they lose, it’s because of “voting irregularities”. The evil conservatives kept poor and oppressed people from the polls. When they win, there are absolutely no problems with the election. No one illegally registered voters or fudged the elections in any way, nor sir.

Rightwingguy on January 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Doorgunner on January 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Your English has gotten worser too. :-)

Rightwingguy on January 3, 2010 at 1:33 PM

I blame mine on the eggnog and whiskey…

lovingmyUSA on January 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Christmas fudge and cookies! Yummy in the tummy, hell on the hips.

Jvette on January 3, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Donks whine…
Rasmussen won’t hide the decline.

Geochelone on January 3, 2010 at 1:34 PM

The greater the denial, the harder the coming fall.

Let ‘em protest. As long as they wake up choking on their gonads on November 3, 2010.

PD Quig on January 3, 2010 at 1:34 PM

So the demoncraps want Rasmussen to “hide the decline”
I get it

macncheez on January 3, 2010 at 1:36 PM

“It is clear that Rasmussen is not adequately representing likely voters — where are all the dead voters and 7X voters in this poll sample?”

GnuBreed on January 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM

“And Rasmussen never calls homeless shelters, either.”

Wethal on January 3, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I’ve noticed that since leaving college, my English has gotten worser.

Mine has gotten betterer….

karl9000 on January 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Remember Bobby Kennedy, Jr.’s conspiracy theory about Ohio in 2004? The exit polls showed Kerry ahead. Therefore, the actual vote count must have been rigged. No doubts about polling there.

Wethal on January 3, 2010 at 1:41 PM

But Andrew Sullivan has charts and everything that prove Rasmussen is biased!111!!111

SouthernGent on January 3, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Yes, they shoot the messengers! Freedom of speech is what they have in the cross hairs. It’s one of the main obstacles to their plans.
Here is possibly the most incredible videos you will ever experience on freedom of speech. Especially as it relates to anonymous blogging! Watch it to the very end! Just may be the most important video you will ever see! (No, I did not create it! Wish I had!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw49E263ORk

JellyToast on January 3, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Mine has gotten betterer….

karl9000 on January 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM

With work it can get more gooder.

thomasaur on January 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Democrats need their public bogey man. The truth scares the crap out of them, doesn’t it.

tarpon on January 3, 2010 at 1:46 PM

I wonder how W is doing, poll wise.

ThePrez on January 3, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Last month, 44% preferred to have George W. Bush back.
Few more months and it’ll top 50%.

Lanceman on January 3, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Allah has made a cottage industry out of beating up his readers for hating on pollsters, so it shouldn’t be much of a surprise that the insane left would attack the guy who is giving them the bad news.

But so far, every single time that Rasmussen has shown the Dems worse off than the other pollsters did, the other pollsters eventually followed him. Not sure is Rasmussen is just better than the other ones, or just more honest.

Jaibones on January 3, 2010 at 1:50 PM

But Andrew Sullivan has charts and everything that prove Rasmussen is biased!111!!111

SouthernGent on January 3, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Yeah, but he’s a conservative, so…

Jaibones on January 3, 2010 at 1:52 PM

With work it can get more gooder.

thomasaur on January 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM

I think you’re missing a couple of commas…

karl9000 on January 3, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Nothing, however, sets off liberal teeth gnashing more than Rasmussen’s daily presidential tracking polls

TRUTH.

In other late-breaking news:

-putting ice cubes in your beverage lowers its temperature.

-the surface of the sun is hotter that Houston, Texas.

-the planet Neptune is farther away than Fort Lauderdale.

More late-breaking stories as they become available!

oldleprechaun on January 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM

I’m sorry, but after years using accusations of a “MSM” bias as a crutch, you guys are not allowed to use the words “shoot the messenger.” Together or separately.

Tom_Shipley on January 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Ah, but we were accusing the lying messenger. Your ilk tends to forget about the difference between lies and facts.

disa on January 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Old saying: If you want to make a conservative mad, lie to him. If you want to make a liberal mad, tell him the truth.

Rasmussen keeps telling the truth, instead of falling in line with the other polls. Obviously, like Fox News before them, the only alternative is to accuse them of having an agenda and try to discredit them.

This administration would have to mature to be described as adolescent. The only word that really fits them is juvenile.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 3, 2010 at 2:05 PM

-the surface of the sun is hotter than Houston, Texas.

As someone who grew up in Houston, I call BS :D

Sekhmet on January 3, 2010 at 2:23 PM

This is a sign of desperation on the Dems part blame the polling company because the American people are rejecting their radical agenda.

Hera on January 3, 2010 at 2:25 PM

I’m sorry, but after years using accusations of a “MSM” bias as a crutch, you guys are not allowed to use the words “shoot the messenger.” Together or separately.

Tom_Shipley on January 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Since we’re into generalizations today, here’s one. After years of pretending there is no such thing as media bias, “you guys” are not allowed to comment on anything at all.

Nah, not really. We on the right are not as petty as you on the left.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 3, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Lie, Rasmussen, Lie!!!!!!

mobydutch on January 3, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I’m sorry, but after years using accusations of a “MSM” bias as a crutch,

Tom_Shipley on January 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Oh, please, Tommy, don’t insult our intelligence. The Leftist bias of the media isn’t an “accusation” or a “crutch”, it’s been proven fact for decades. By numerous objective studies. And many members of the media have even admitted it. The only people who still deny it are folks like you, Bill Moyers, and Andrea Mitchell.

BTW, Silver’s piece is interesting, but also biased.

If you’re running a news organization and you tend to cite Rasmussen’s polls disproportionately, it probably means that you are biased — it does not necessarily mean that Rasmussen is biased.

Del Dolemonte on January 3, 2010 at 2:34 PM

You’re being kind when you say, “Isenstadt notes that liberal pollster Nate Silver gave Rasmussen the nod as the third-most accurate pollster in predicting outcomes of elections.”.

Isenstadt only says this as she nears the end of a long retelling of talking point complaints, deep in her piece. It’s almost begrudging.

MTF on January 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Love thy kindergarten.

America, what have you done?

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM

They don’t level the playing field, they CLEAR the playing field.

tatersalad on January 3, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Yeah, but he’s a conservative, so…

If Andrew Sullivan is a conservative, then I will be the next American Idol.

pdigaudio on January 3, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Mr. Rasmussen’s historical record speaks for itself, the latrine rats’ discontent notwithstanding.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Ya wanna be in CBS, NBC and WaPo polls?

Just have demographics that show you to be part of the political class which Rasem defines.

Suggestions for him: Buy the Rasmussen dot com website as I am always going there by accident. Also, the conservative articles being in the majority on his site get the libs going despite his great professionalism. Just as Fox News throws them off.

BTW, AP just featured an article which ended with the CBO number that between 600K and 1.6 M jobs were existing due to the Stimulus. The citizens just know our kids are going to pay for it. And it sure doesn’t FEEL like a rousing success! But watch for this number in election ads this fall.

I gonna try to watch MM or football if she isn’t on.

IlikedAUH2O on January 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 3, 2010 at 2:29 PM

If Rasm was shown to be off base and narrative building half as far and as often as the polluted Main Stream Media, he would be a messenger that should be shot. BANG!

IlikedAUH2O on January 3, 2010 at 2:49 PM

The Dems are always declaring war on somebody or something and it never works out in the end.
jeanie on January 3, 2010 at 12:40 PM

It pays to notice that the somebody or something is nearly always based inside THIS country.

ya2daup on January 3, 2010 at 2:56 PM

This administration would have to mature to be described as adolescent. The only word that really fits them is juvenile.

How about infantile?

hachiban on January 3, 2010 at 3:01 PM

***Off topic alert***

ManateeSpirit, is that moniker a reference to the sea mammal or a school in Florida?

rac on January 3, 2010 at 3:07 PM

I’m sorry, but after years using accusations of a “MSM” bias as a crutch,

Tom_Shipley on January 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Oh, please, Tommy, don’t insult our intelligence. The Leftist bias of the media isn’t an “accusation” or a “crutch”, it’s been proven fact for decades.

If I may…

also, that we refer to this charade as bias is mild. In fact, bias is almost an acceptable condition, as it cannot be avoided. What we are dealing with in the MSM, though, is outright agenda driven, activist, and ideologically controlled…

…way beyond the realm of “bias” in “objective” news distribution by the MSM.

It’s a sickening reality of what is flourishing in America under the Left’s struggle to impose its fascist dreams, as it is more pragmatic than the fantasy of communism. A police state by proxy is their call to action.

Saltysam on January 3, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Dems declare war on Rasmussen?

Should be about as succesful as the war on Rush Limbaugh and Fox News…

Bunch of wimps don’t have the stones to declare war on Islamic Terrorism.

patch on January 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Another liberal “Truth”:

- Andrew Sullivan is a conservative.

Eh.

Mojamaiko on January 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Rasmussen is also the most consistent pollster by far. Even if you were to consider him an unbelievable outlier, he shows trends that are not arguable.

DaveS on January 3, 2010 at 3:45 PM

The Democrats sound like the post Versailles Treaty Germans: “We were stabbed in the back! STABBED in the back by the Jew bankers!” Only this time it’s “Stabbed in the back by neocon pollsters!”

They blame everyone and everything but themselves. It’s creepy.

Django on January 3, 2010 at 3:59 PM

“I think they write their questions in a way that supports a conservative interpretation of the world,” said Mellman. “In general, they tend to be among the worst polls for Democrats, and they phrase questions in ways that elicit less support for the Democratic point of view.”

Okay, how bout this as a question.

7 days after an attempted terrorist bombing, that got pass every security check point.

Should Obama and the Dem Congress

Try to fix the security system

or

Complain about polls and pollsters that reflect an image the Obama and the Dem Congress are not doing their job?

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Dems declare war on Rasmussen?

Tuesday, January 5, 2010

In our latest poll, 76% of respondents who identified themselves as Obama voters now express sincere regret at aligning themselves with such a bunch of pussies.

Rasmussen

Doorgunner on January 3, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Rasmussen calling all ACORNS!!!

mobydutch on January 3, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Gee… I only wish I’d seen this coming.

LibTired on January 3, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Ya had a good run, dems. Ya had all the networks, the big dailies, all the news magazines, for years and years and years. And I’ll take my hat off to ya. It was impressive. Every day I’d turn on the news, open a paper, and there would be your lies, reported as facts, straight from the DNC fax machine to the Nightly News. It was a hell of an operation. But it’s over now. The media world has changed. Your old whores in the media are dying off. Deal with it, and quit whinin’. You know, move on.

Rational Thought on January 3, 2010 at 4:12 PM

The time has come to set aside childish things.
- Barack Obama (Jan 20, 2009, Inauguration Day)

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances.
- Barack Obama (Jan 20, 2009, Inauguration Day)

What happened to all that? Oh, that’s right – Expiration Date so never mind.

MB4 on January 3, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Well, actually we on the right have been highly critical of certain polls as being obviously biased given their sampling of Dems vs. Republicans and so on.

We all know that they’re all suspect as not every one can be polled, who they poll is an issue, and as always the way the questions are phrased is a concern.

From what I’ve been seeing from those who don’t pay much attention to politics and current issues (and purposely try to ignore them because they find it all depressing and confusing), these issues are coming up more in casual conversations and even those who lean left seem to be losing faith in The One and the Libtard agenda.

But…they still want socialized medicine, they still hate Bush, they still hate Fox News, they still don’t want to hear about the birth certificate. They are, however, sweating out their job and financial security and are fearful of the near future.

The question is, where are they going to place the blame? I think they’re still blaming the Bush administration and the evil Wall Street/banker types. With time, even that’s going to wear thin as they see that the Messiah either can’t or won’t do anything about it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM

he Democrats sound like the post Versailles Treaty Germans: “We were stabbed in the back! STABBED in the back by the Jew bankers!” Only this time it’s “Stabbed in the back by neocon pollsters!”

They blame everyone and everything but themselves. It’s creepy.

Django on January 3, 2010 at 3:59 PM

They believed that Emperor Barack, Queen Nancy and Prince Harry’s socialist fascist policies had been visionary and brilliant and would have soon succeeded in reshaping Amerika, except for being betrayed by devious pollsters and their fellow travelers at home, the infamous ‘Stab in the Back’ theory. (Similar to the myth and betrayal theory [Dolchstosslegende] popular in Germany in the period after World War I which attributed Germany’s defeat to a number of domestic betrayals instead of failed geostrategy.)

This ‘Stab in the Back’ theory would become hugely popular among many neolib internet web sites such as DailyKos and HuffintonPuff and neolib radio talk show hosts and many neolibs in the MSM who found it impossible to accept the fact that Emperor Barack, Queen Nancy and Prince Harry’s socialist fascist policies had been very ill advised.

During the rapid decline of public support for these socialist fascist policies fiascos, many Neolibs became obsessed with this idea, especially laying blame on what they called “traitors”, “reactionaries”, “Zionists”, “capitalist pigs” and “Bible clingers” in America for undermining the socialist fascist effort. To the Neolibs, and so many of their followers, their fellow Americans, the clear majority of whom did not support Emperor Barack, Queen Nancy and Prince Harry’s socialist fascist policies would become known as the ‘Reactionary Criminals’.

MB4 on January 3, 2010 at 4:50 PM

one argues the facts when the facts are on one’s side, the law when the facts don’t, and attack the character of witnesses when neither the law nor the facts support one’s case.

The more colorful version is “When the law is against you, bang on the facts. When the facts are against you, bang on the law. When the law and facts are against you, bang on the table.”
Wethal on January 3, 2010

Or
When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts.
When you have the law on your side, argue the law.
When you have neither, holler.”

Failed Presidential Candidate
Al “he played on our fears” Gore.

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM

a decision that makes Obama look small and weak.

Yeah, I know the second quote is from this mornings other story, but hey, if the shoe fits…
Bruno Strozek on January 3

By now I think we can safely call this a “pattern”.

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Obowmao IS small and weak, a mere figurehead. Who carries the ball for ‘his own’ policies but Reid and Pelosi.

The MSM insulates him, while his media all but wonders whose shirts he wears while on vacation in Hawaii.

How does his golf game rank against Tiger? Inquiring minds want to know! In the meantime, Obowmao is above it all–a figurehead.

Liam on January 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM

If I’m not mistaken, DailyKos commissions their own polls through various polling outfits.

DailyKos in the 08 election ranked about #10 in accuracy.
Rasmussen and Pew tide for #1

Rasmussen owned the 04 election at #1

In fact in the 04 election accuracy rank looked like this

16th abc wapo

17th Zogby

21st CNN

25th Gallup

30th CBS/NYT

Note: the ranking on the 04 election only had the top 30.

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 5:09 PM

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Those numbers can’t rate, because the vast right-wing conspiracy got involved. And any lib can prove it, just by saying so. After all, just the seriousness of the charge against us makes our assertion invalid.

/sarc

Liam on January 3, 2010 at 5:16 PM

blueguitarbob on January 3,

Strange, of all your complaints you failed to mention Rasmussen is constantly in the top 3 for accuracy.

Considering “ accuracy” is the measure of “success” in ANY polling operation, you are, in fact, arguing against “success” based on “accuracy”.

That’s kinda dumb, ya think?

DSchoen on January 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Hey guys and girls you can lie ,run,pretend that Rasmussen polls don,t matter but you can,t hide and come Nov.2010 you are in for a big surprise.But don,t worry you can draw your unemployment starting in Jan 2011.

thmcbb on January 3, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Dems declare war on Rasmussen?

Why not. They declare war on everything but the enemies and threats to this nation.

Yakko77 on January 3, 2010 at 5:30 PM

This is about telling other media organizations do not reference Rasmussen or you will be denied inside info or interviews, and yes this is the White House doing this.

rob verdi on January 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Word

eif727 on January 3, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Propaganda control.
They want to control the information that the public receives, so it’s no big leap to include polling with regular news. If the gullible part of the public think that everyone else thinks a certain way (via biased polling,) the more likely they’ll simply go along with the Messiah’s agenda.

n0doz on January 3, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Alinsky would be proud.

I would suspect that the Obama administration will go on all the major MSM networks declaring Rasmussen is not a real polling company.

redridinghood on January 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM

The Ministry of Truth is turning the Thought Police on Scott Rasmussen.

ted c on January 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Gee, Democrats, while all the hissy fit attitude toward Rasmussen, other than the fact that his poll more than anything shows again and again and again that the majority of We The People think your policies SUCK?!!!!!!

Oh wait, I think SUCK is one of the newly banned words for 2010.

I meant to say your policies INHALE WITH GUSTO!!!!!

pilamaye on January 3, 2010 at 6:17 PM

A lot of other pollsters have criticized Rasmussen’s methods of using automated robo-calls instead of live pollsters to get the information. Yet Rasmussen’s final numbers just before an election always seem to be within about 2% of the actual result of an election.

I’ve never been called by a pollster (either robo-call or live pollster), but could some of the other pollsters be trying to mislead the public by slanting the questions or berating those who disagree with the pollster’s own opinions? Maybe conservatives are more likely to be honest with a robo-call, without fear of being denounced as “politically incorrect”, and give Rasmussen more accurate estimations of the actual opinion of the electorate.

Just speculation, but if Rasmussen is more accurate than other polling outfits, why not believe them, unless it’s not what Democrats want to hear? After all, Rasmussen did predict that Obama would win in 2008, and Democrats would win Senate seats. The Democrats weren’t complaining THEN…

Steve Z on January 3, 2010 at 6:31 PM

The pointed attacks reflect a hardening conventional wisdom among prominent liberal bloggers and many Democrats that Rasmussen Reports polls are, at best, the result of a flawed polling model and, at worst, designed to undermine Democratic politicians and the party’s national agenda. …

Someone should tell the Dems that Rassumsen got the 2008 election right on the money (+/- .5% points). So blaming him is not going to help. If his polls are flawed where is Democracy Corps polls? Where is KOS’s polls?

The reason the Dems don’t discuss those polls is because they show the same thing as Rassmusen.

Sounds like the Dems are in TOTAL denial about their agenda being rejected.

Rndguy on January 3, 2010 at 7:03 PM

I’m sorry, but after years using accusations of a “MSM” bias as a crutch, you guys are not allowed to use the words “shoot the messenger.” Together or separately.

When have we ever used the crutch? We’ve described something as real and obvious as the turning of leaves in autumn. And stated exactly what’s wrong at each occasion.

Chris_Balsz on January 3, 2010 at 7:04 PM

“Mr. Rasmussen, we’re from Interpol. Come with us.”

Akzed on January 3, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Dems,
Ignore reality at your own peril. I’m sure this tactic is bound to win hearts to your side.

Who is advising this crew anyway? Do they have a death wish?

PrincipledPilgrim on January 3, 2010 at 7:19 PM

“It is silly to quibble about the differences between Communists and Socialists,” -Ludwig von Mises.

“It is silly to quibble about the differences between Socialists and Democrats,” -Akzed.

Akzed on January 3, 2010 at 7:19 PM

MB4 on January 3, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Heh. We’re all Reactionary Criminals now, as Newsweek might say.

Django on January 3, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Dems,
Ignore reality at your own peril. I’m sure this tactic is bound to win hearts to your side.

Who is advising this crew anyway? Do they have a death wish?

PrincipledPilgrim on January 3, 2010 at 7:19 PM

I agree.

I have been saying for weeks/months that the Dems ignore the voters at their own political peril.

I would bet their internal numbers are much worse than what Rassmusen reports. This would explain the shoot the messenger line of defense.

Rndguy on January 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM

They are beyond parody.

Some of me things they are so enamored with themselves and with their flawed unpopular policies that it seems impossible to them that they would be unpopular.

Me fail guverning? That’s unpossible!

Then it occurs to me they need all who disagree with them to feel marginalized and part of some small nutty minority. “Lone nuts” if you will.

RDuke on January 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Scott Rasmussen = HONEST BROKER

‘Nuff said!

Khun Joe on January 3, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Just who the hell are we supposed to believe? My guess is CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS and anything Axelrod and Rahm says…
I don’t think so. Everyone has had enough of the lies, the bullshit, the false promises and the beating down of honest people. Screw you sleezy democrats and the cripple donkey you rode in on. Millions of Americans besides myself are just sick of you and your ways and the intimidation will no longer work. We are going to show you a side of the polls you have always refused to believe. We not only going to show you but were are going to make believers out of you pathetic jerks.

bluegrass on January 3, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Just a couple of things. The Democrats and liberal media, have been using polls for the past 5 or 6 years as news stories and a means to show everyone they’re right on the issues and Republicans are wrong. The problem is their polls were a lot of propaganda and done to skew results not worry so much about accuracy. As Ed noted, the Washington Post polling, oversampling Democrats, was one example of liberals selling a product. The Post had to know that oversampling Democrats wasn’t going to give them an accurate result, so the purpose must have been something else.

If Rasmussen is polling and coming up with a different result that takes some of the steam out of the outlier polls, which are there to create an impression. The only solution to that is to attempt to discredit Rasmussen, hence the attack.

The Dems biggest problem is they’ve tried all of this before and people know what they’re seeing now. Somehow I’m guess that people even see the other polls, showing Obama with 64% approval ratings and they realize what a joke they are.

Take heart, Rasmussen, if they’re attacking you, you must be right. If that’s the case, and the other polls are wrong, I hope the Democrats pay no attention to your polls and only pay attention to the Washington Post polls, then they won’t be prepared for their demise, in November.

bflat879 on January 3, 2010 at 8:28 PM

I just polled myself.

Results:

100% of wine soaked voter strongly feels that Obama sucks.

justltl on January 3, 2010 at 8:32 PM

+/- 2%.

justltl on January 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Scott Rasmussen should run a poll about his poll.
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(As I recall, after Obama’s first salvo against Fox, the attack backfired and Fox ratings surged.)

diogenes on January 3, 2010 at 9:31 PM

And what authority tells us that double spacing between sentences is wrong?

Ex-Dem on January 3, 2010 at 1:06 PM

The Spacing Czar

Red State State of Mind on January 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Desperately defending a mandate that was never a mandate.

NTropy on January 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

BTW, AP just featured an article which ended with the CBO number that between 600K and 1.6 M jobs were existing due to the Stimulus……
IlikedAUH2O on January 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM

I would tend to believe that 600K to 1.6 M Government jobs HAVE been saved or created, since a lot of Stimulus cash went to states in budget deficits who were claiming they’d “…HAVE TO LAY OFF TEACHERS AND POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS…”

Red State State of Mind on January 3, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Sounds to me like the White House is saying:

Look Mr. Pollster, you go along with our agenda and make us look good, or we’ll bury you.

Danzo on January 3, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Question phrasing is a key methodological point in surveys
blueguitarbob on January 3,

Actually the questions are not the “ methodological”.

His methodological is to used “robo calls” of “likely voters”.

And his results are undeniably accurate.

Due to his accurate results, there is no “substantive” (as in valid) criticism of his “ methodology”.

It’s hard to argue against success, it sounds like whining.

DSchoen on January 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM

Funny they never had any problem with the polls when they were in favor of them. Childish antics of the DNC!

shov74 on January 4, 2010 at 7:55 AM

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