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California tax revolt: What next?

posted at 8:40 am on May 19, 2009 by Karl
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The Los Angeles Times claims that the campaign over six state budget propositions on today’s ballot in California ended with a whimper, and seeks to downplay the expected result by predicting a low turnout. But yesterday was more like the calm before the storm.

Tonight’s results will gauge what polls suggest is voter fury over the failure of the Republican governor and the Democratic-controlled Legislature to balance the state’s books.

As Californians struggle with joblessness, home foreclosures and sharp losses in the stock market, the state has raised taxes, cut spending and borrowed to fix a $42-billion shortfall — and still remains more than $15 billion shy of a balanced budget.

If voters reject Propositions 1C, 1D and 1E — the three chief money-raisers on Tuesday’s special election ballot — the shortfall will grow to $21 billion.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his Democratic allies trotted out the usual human shields in this fight — kindergarteners, firefighters and policemen, nurses, etc. They outspent their opponents by seven-to-one. None of it worked. Although the opposing sides here did not always follow partisan lines (e.g., the SEIU opposes the initiatives), a recent Field Poll showed 72% of voters agreeing that rejecting the measures “would send a message to the governor and the state legislature that voters are tired of more government spending and higher taxes.”

In the face of expected defeat, Schwarzenegger has fled cross-country to Washington, DC, to listen to Pres. Obama talk about new federal tailpipe emissions. There is even more of a metaphor in the trip than the obvious punchline, as California’s future is likely to be found in DC. California Treasurer Bill Lockyer has already asked Treasury Secretary Timmy Geithner to backstop a wave of short-term borrowing California will need to undertake this summer. Indeed, the Busness Insider notes that the yield on California debt has already been shrinking:

We’d say that the market is probably also pricing in the possibility that Barney Frank will get his way and we’ll have a federal backstop of all muni debt soon enough. Even without a formal backstop, we think it’s unlikely that the Obama administration and a Democrat controlled Capitol Hill would let California default.

This is another way that we’ve broken the signalling function of the credit markets, which no longer provide clear indications of expected economic performance thanks to the numerous and varied government interventions.

This is more of the uncertainty that undermines economic recovery. But an administration running auto companies for the benefit of the UAW and its political viability in the Rust Belt undoubtedly considers the Golden State “too big to fail.” After all, the New York Daily News headline would write itself: “Obama to California: Drop Dead.”

However, bailouts are unpopular. Many Americans will chafe just as much at the prospect of paying to bail out California’s decades of inept govenment as they do at paying to bail out GM’s decades of inept management. Obama would bail out California to hold onto those electoral votes, but he will have to worry about how many he loses in the process.

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Rovin on May 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

The reason ANY govt is left in place to run amok, IMHO, rests ultimately upon the people.
These are eligible voters who:
1. Do not vote, or vote very often
2. Do not take the responsibility upon themselves to be educated about whom they are voting for
3. Remain blissfully ignorant about important issues on purpose, whether it’s bcs they’re lazy, etc.
4. Don’t get off of their butts & do something about the corruption.
#4 basically amounts to the disparity in the American population (also human) to stand up for what is right.
So many get with the mob attitude & let precious opportunities pass by without action.
I have lived in all 3 worlds of human habitation:
Metro
Urban
Rural
Only in rural populations have I ever truly seen responsible independence among the majority of the people there.
This is why I maintain urbanization is the bane of man kind.
This group think we prescribe to when we are relatively safe & insulated from the REAL world is what leaves us time to morally stagnate.
So I reiterate:
Any American govt institution is ultimately the fault of all the voting public either by the fact that they vote these turds in over & over again, or by the very absence of their potential votes at the polls.

Badger40 on May 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Let them fail. It is way past time for some tough love and a wakeup call for the rest of the nation. Let the country watch the refugees flood across the borders into Arizona and Nevada into tent camps set up by the UN.

Well… One can still dream, right?

This made me think of the faux-panic that would set in every time Sacramento couldn’t get their budget in on time. Politicians and the local media would warn of catastrophe, riots in the streets, and general mayhem if there was a government shutdown.

Every time it’s happened things pretty much went on as normal. Some non-essential government employees were forced to take some unpaid leave, saving the state millions. Oh, the horror.

Hell, even if the schools shut down, what’s the difference? Kids will just not be learning at home as opposed to not learning at school. A shutdown might even drive up demand for private schools, where parents would actually get school choice for once.

I have very little sympathy for the hippies out in Monterey Bay, studying kelp and otters on my dime, having to shut down their “important work” for a few weeks. Maybe they’ll be forced to look for productive employment.

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

After having grown up in NY State I really do believe the people would be better off dividing the State between NYC and its bedroom communities and the rest of the State. Then you would have Upper York and New York.

Ditto California, north and south.

Washington State along the Cascades.

Either that or force Congress to go to 1:30,000 max representation so everything gets bogged down in the House. That place is just way too efficient for my tastes. It needs a strong dose of representative democracy. Ditto all the Statehouses. Give us the real deal on representation, not this watered down 1911 junk that gets weaker every year.

ajacksonian on May 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I suspect the avarice citizen will be furious if Obama routs billions to protect California’s employee unions from any cuts of job losses

JIMV on May 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Believe me, the message is getting delivered. What these morons do next is anyone’s guess, but this is just the beginning.

I can tell you exactly what’s going to happen. There will be no further budget cuts. The idea barely registers on the radar screen of our state legislature. Sacramento will sneak through as many hidden taxes as possible.

The average taxpayer’s withholding may not change but they’ll wonder why their employers are suddenly cutting back hours or laying people off…or just moving the hell out of the state.

Income taxes won’t be raised by a dime but when you have to pay $500 for a parking ticket or vehicle registration you’ll figure out only too late where all that budget shortfall was made up.

When sales taxes creep up over the 10% mark not many people will notice a few dollars added to their grocery bill. Same goes for an extra dollar here and there on your cell phone, cable, or energy bills.

Either that or we’ll sign the devil’s deal with Washington for bailout money. We only have to sacrifice our state sovereignity and be governed by distant Washington bureaucrats. All so our overpaid state union employees can continue to get their gold-plated benefits and pensions.

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Recent articles on high income citizens fleeing high tax political boundaries to lower tax political boundaries seem to ignore the impending doom of federal bailouts for states and municipalities. The tax hikes on the horizon know no political boundary.

ne0365 on May 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM

More evidence that liberals are not smart enough to run a lemonade stand:

Boy is this true..I am in debate on a local forum…a dozen flaming lefties and one conservative, me. One of the least informed lefties insists that there are no waiting lines in socialist health care. I quoted the famous Canadian Supreme Court opinion on the issue and his response was…’well, that was only an opinion’….only an opinion, as though a legal opinion in a court case was the same as a editorial in the local paper…worse, he does not seem to understand the similarity between a legal opinion and a fact on the legal field…

It is all I can do to keep myself from destroying the fellow but the moderators on that forum punish folk who make liberals look too stupid.

JIMV on May 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Badger40 on May 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

You get no argument from me there Badger, my only point was questioning the level of the “spreading the ignorance” that you implied.

So many get with the mob attitude & let precious opportunities pass by without action.
I have lived in all 3 worlds of human habitation:
Metro
Urban
Rural

Ditto on the habitation. And again, I agree, it seems unfortunately that it’s the masses in our metros that get sucked into believing what ever the media projects is what produces the mob attitude you mention, (lemmings who refuse to think for themselves). Poisonous garbage from the LA Times, SF Chron tend to set the tone. Both are in serious financial trouble. Yippie!!!!

Rovin on May 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

We’d say that the market is probably also pricing in the possibility that Barney Frank will get his way and we’ll have a federal backstop of all muni debt soon enough.

What’s the end game here? Eventually, even the feds will run out of money, or borrowers.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Do they still hand out credit cards like candy to college kids like they did when my kids were in school? They were like attack dogs, with their tables set up in every dorm the first day of school.

Those people should be in jail for the damage they cause.

Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 12:08 PM

wrong thread…..sorry.

Knucklehead on May 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Dunno. A number of Californians live here in my neighborhood north of DFW. For the most part, they seem to be fairly conservative, gun-totin’ folks, but there’s no question that the state is turning slightly purple.

The worst thing one can say about another in my part of Idaho is that they are from California…now and again the paper is full of letters hammering our new friends from the left coast as they try to force us into what they left, leftist rot.

JIMV on May 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Either that or force Congress to go to 1:30,000 max representation so everything gets bogged down in the House.

Walter Williams, a professor at George Mason University and a frequent guest host for Limbaugh, wrote a great article suggesting this. It would have the effect of nearly killing the lobbyist industry, since it would prove much more difficult to buy off four thousand representatives rather than two hundred (at 1:30,000 would translate into nearly 8,000 House Representatives).

You’d also see alternative political parties finally receive representation in Washington. Sure, we’d get some moonbat Green Party folks in there but we’d also get quite a few Libertarians as well.

I wish I could find the article, but it’s buried somewhere in his archives at Jewish World Review

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

ajacksonian on May 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

There’s been a faction here in Cal that has been attempting for decades to split the state in half. My favorite lines would grab Sacramento and all points north while slicing out SF and the Bay Area sending them south with their “progressive” ideologies. The real problem lies with the districting policies that the Dems have had complete control of again for far too long.

There has to be a grass-roots change in how we allow our “governments” to represents us. We may very well see this today in California.

Rovin on May 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM

This will be the U.S. in a few months. Higher taxes, no jobs, and going down the toilet. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

capejasmine on May 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM

What’s the end game here? Eventually, even the feds will run out of money, or borrowers.

The endgame is that before the currency collapses, our leaders will loot the treasury while the banks seize the properties of millions of Americans. Our country finally becomes what the Democratic Party always wanted, a privileged overclass ruling over people that are given just enough to survive but not to thrive.

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM

If the no votes win today it will mean nothing.

patrick neid on May 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

my only point was questioning the level of the “spreading the ignorance” that you implied.
Rovin on May 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

I really do think this more than contributes to the spread of ignorance.
And it’s not really even ignorance. It’s a willingness to subvert one self’s autonomy to a govt entity.
People don’t like making hard decisions. So they leave it up to those voted in. And they vote for people who promise them goodies that they know they can’t afford themselves.
People from liberal states &/or communities who flee to Red states/communities go there to escape the intrusive govt of the home.
They then begin to forget why the pest hole they left became a pesthole in the 1st place.
It all starts innocently with things like:
There’s no Starbucks around the corner.
That farmer’s pig poop smells-let’s force him out through environmental regs, onerous taxes, etc.
And what they forget is that some of the inconveniences & unpleasantness that exists where they fled is what made the place attractive to live in the 1st place.
But people can’t put 2 & 2 together & so they keep on repeating the same vicious cycle of stupidity.

Badger40 on May 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

How long until California and the US actually declares bankruptcy? I think we should take odds.

Bankruptcy would allow us to renogitate all state penisions all spending. Then things could really change and bugets could really get into line. What a mess.

petunia on May 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

People if Obama bails out California then he bails out every pther high taxing nieptly run state in the union. California is broke. The budget gap will be as high as 23 billion this year and higher still next year. New York, New Jersey, Delware, etc. are all in the same position. If Obama turns on the spigot to save these states which he’ll have to do again in 2010 and 2011 you can count on hyperinflation. Foreign central bannks are’nt going to take much more of this. Simply raising interest rates may not draw them back either, I think they are simply tired of watching America behave like adolescents.

Theworldisnotenough on May 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Sad but true.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The reason no one has the same idea about how to “divide” California is that most of it, geographically, is already “red,” and no matter where you go, there ARE some conservatives.

The “Southland” has conservatives all over it, once you get out of LA County. (And even there, Bush got as many votes just in LA County, in 2004, as he got in most of the other states.) Except for the Imperial Valley running right along the Mexican border, the desert dwellers and exurbanites east of LA and San Diego are a pretty conservative bunch. San Diego itself is traditionally conservative, as are Orange and Ventura Counties.

The “blue” problems with the Golden State are LA, San Francisco, and Sacramento. (Down here, some of us call the SF-Sacramento political axis the “I-80 Mafia.”) If the state were to be divided, the most appropriate method would be a sort of Palestinian Authority analogy for the blue islands.

The capital of Red California would be moved to a double-wide east of Twenty-Nine Palms. The legislature would meet next to it under a tent. The state supreme court would open for business in a trailer behind the little Patton Museum at Chiriaco Summit, off I-10.

The new, stronger state would get over the out-of-touch Victorian-Gold-Rush-White-Guilt pathology, and just honestly embrace the Hispanic heritage that’s in its cultural DNA, without letting that be a perpetual pretext for grievance politics.

Red California would retain all of the National Guard, and would control the borders of Blue California. After a brief 90-day grace period, no Blue California residents would be allowed to move to Red California.

J.E. Dyer on May 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The budget gap will be as high as 23 billion this year and higher still next year.

Most likely higher, government at every level overestimates tax revenues because a) they never take into consideration falling revenues due to economic downturns and b) they assume people won’t engage in tax avoidance or reduce their spending, thereby reducing sales tax revenues.

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I’ll be voting no across the board, Governor Shriver!

nico on May 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Open up the oil leases for $6 billion and cancel stem cell research for $3 billion. There’s $9B for starters.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

JIMV on May 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

You want to drive the “court opinion as legal fact” point home to this moron, try telling him that “Rowe Vs Wade” is “just an opinion.” Hope you have your nomex tuxedo handy though.

Blacksmith on May 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Open up the oil leases for $6 billion and cancel stem cell research for $3 billion. There’s $9B for starters.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I like that idea, and it’s sad. With this new, and stupid epa emissions regulation, anyone that thinks we’ll save money on fuel, is nuts. Obama espoused, when gas was at $5 a gallon, he’d wished the price was higher, but also said, he would have liked it to be more gradual. UGH.

We’ll be forced with fuel efficient cars, and $15 a gallon for gas as well. Not to mention the higher fuel taxes that will be imposed.

Welcome to Obama’s world. Where he knows what’s best, not only for U.S. citizens, but the worlds citizens.

capejasmine on May 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

If the no votes win today it will mean nothing.

patrick neid on May 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

This is so unlike you patrick to be so contemptuous without even a slight explaination. Were you in a hurry or did I miss the irony sarc tag?

Rovin on May 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Obama’s going to move the White House to a private beach in Santa Monica, part of the new Washington D.C. (District of California).

aero on May 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I don’t understand this … I thought Colin Powell had the “pulse” here when he said that Americans were willing to pay more taxes for services and wanted bigger government.

What – you mean he might have been out of touch just a tad?

HondaV65 on May 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The only thing this useful idiot has done, was to get rid of Gray Davis…since then, Arnie has been a disastrous liberal tool. Pitifully, Arnold Schwarzenegger is really a faux pub.

byteshredder on May 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM

These are people who think their food just comes from the grocery store & their energy comes from somewhere in the frigging sky.
Once the sheeple congregate in the urban areas, they seem to unlearn the principles of common sense.

Badger40 on May 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM

You are 100% dead on here.

I live in NC and we have an influx of people from NY and CA.

I welcome them,but ask them not to vote in the same idiots here that screwed up the state they are fleeing.

It was hard to watch NC go blue this election,but from what I am hearing from people on a day to day basis(they are seeing the Hope and Change bullsh!t for what it is), it will not be blue the next election.

Baxter Greene on May 19, 2009 at 4:27 PM

I live in NC and we have an influx of people from NY and CA.
I welcome them,but ask them not to vote in the same idiots here that screwed up the state they are fleeing.
Baxter Greene on May 19, 2009 at 4:27 PM

But that’s the trouble! Ask Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Florida. Wherever they go, they turn it liberal.

Christian Conservative on May 19, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Voted this morning when I dropped off Little Hawk at school. NO across the board.

Suck on that Sacramento.

Now get to work cutting the budget and fixing my state you bastards.

CyanSnowHawk on May 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Hee. As an immigrant to Texas myself, I can only say the California invasion is real. My ultra-lib neighbors have sold their house to some Californians, and the other neighbors are already Californians. But I’m in Austin so it doesn’t make any difference. It’s embarrassing listening to liberals apologising for Texas to foreigners like me, however, they really need to raise their self-esteem…:p

Fortunata on May 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Fortunata on May 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Another reason to only visit Austin.
San Antonio-my cup of tea.
I loved living there!

Baxter Greene on May 19, 2009 at 4:27 PM

My sympathies are with you.
Ugh. My uncle just moved from NC to TN.
I don’t know if it’s really much better though.

Badger40 on May 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM

ACORN May Still Win in CA

Just returned from voting in LA, CA. There was a registered voter list posted at the door to the polling place. I stopped and looked at the list to see which voter I would ‘be’ once I walked on in.

When I spoke the name I had decided to use, I was not asked for any ID or proof of who I am. I signed a squiggle next to the name on the list, and was handed my ballot.

The place was pretty much deserted, only 1 person in line ahead of me. Voters were outnumbered by the workers present.

FYI, the name I picked from the list – the voter I decided to ‘be’ – was me.

ElRonaldo on May 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Open up the oil leases for $6 billion and cancel stem cell research for $3 billion. There’s $9B for starters.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I was wondering if anyone in the CA legislature had proposed cutting out that funding for stem cell research. That always struck me as a waste of taxpayer money — and not because I oppose the research (I don’t), but because it’s not something that state tax money should be paying for.

Of course, CA has a lot of other expenses that state tax money shouldn’t be paying for, like expensive stays in rehab for young illegal alien drug offenders, pre-natal care for pregnant illegal aliens, in-state tuition at state colleges for illegal alien students, etc.

If CA cut out all the crap that taxpayers shouldn’t be financing in the first place, they’d probably have a budget surplus.

AZCoyote on May 19, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Obama would bail out California to hold onto those electoral votes, but he will have to worry about how many he loses in the process.

He wouldn’t lose mine. Can’t lose what you never had.

IrishEyes on May 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Voted NO on all of them except the last one that was a vote to give the Legislators a raise if they balanced a budget.
No chance of that happening but I voted against them getting any sort of raise, ever!

Time to make some cuts Governor, you can’t punt this there is too much time left in your term.

Show you have a pair now and get out the axe. Tell Maria to chill, go sit by the pool or something but you have work to do.

FireBlogger on May 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM

I live in CA and I voted for their special election. I voted No on everything except for the last ballot which freezes state employee salaries during deficit spending.

Weebork on May 19, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I’m not against stem cell research either–privately funded.

Watch Ben Stein on Beck today for more crap in the CA budget! I’m not against any of them either–just against forced taxation to pay for them.

PattyJ on May 19, 2009 at 6:11 PM

BTW, I voted NO as well (except for the usual YES on the salary-freezing 1F).

Didn’t have ElRonaldo’s opportunity to choose who I would “be.” I had to give my name to the nice old lady with the A-L book. I noticed it was pre-annotated with “Absentee ballot” for those who voted that way.

J.E. Dyer on May 19, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Here’s a list from the Sacramento Bee Feb 24,2008

(Sorry for the formatting)

This listing is only PAGE ONE (first 25 of 644 individual records)

NOTE:YOU HAVE TO GO TO PAGE 26 TO SEE SOME POOR SOUL THAT ONLY MADE $299K

If you click on this link to Sacramento Bee today, you can get a more politically correct version that stops only after a single page. But, you can search each of the numerous California Departments to get their individual employee salaries.
Base Pay of Highest-Paid UC Employees – Sacramento News – Local and Breaking S
Base Pay of Highest-Paid UC Employees
Published: Sunday, Feb. 24, 2008
Base Salary of Highest-Paid UC Employees
After getting your results, click here to begin a new search. Note: Some UC salaries, system officials say, are supplemented by revenue outside of taxpayer dollars — private donations or grants, for example.
First Name Last Name Job Title Agency or University Base Pay Overtime Gross Pay
MARK R LARET DIRECTOR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC SAN FRANCISCO $583,698 $0 $593,482
ANN MADDEN RICE CHIEF EXEC OFFICER – MED CENTR UC DAVIS $511,550 $0 $632,216
RICHARD J LIEKWEG DIRECTOR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC SAN DIEGO $501,108 $0 $580,163
TOMI RYBA ASSOC DIR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC SAN FRANCISCO $489,622 $0 $489,622
DAVID A KESSLER PROFESSOR-MEDCOMP-A UC SAN FRANCISCO $487,851 $0 $529,762
DAVID N BAILEY VICE CHAN (FUNCTIONAL AREA) UC IRVINE $464,509 $0 $543,761
DAVID ALLEN BRENNER VICE CHAN (FUNCTIONAL AREA) UC SAN DIEGO $463,583 $0 $696,500
AMIR DAN RUBIN (FUNCTL AREA) OFFICER-EXEC UC LOS ANGELES $460,656 $0 $479,406
CLAIRE POMEROY VICE CHAN (FUNCTIONAL AREA) UC DAVIS $450,217 $0 $602,536
MITCHELL R. CREEM DIRECTOR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC LOS ANGELES $445,595 $0 $445,595
ROBERT J. BIRGENEAU CHANCELLOR UC BERKELEY $421,200 $0 $430,116
MARIE N BERGGREN TREASURER OF THE REGENTS UC UCOP $410,000 $0 $833,437
ROBERT C DYNES PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY UC UCOP $405,000 $0 $421,412
CHARLES F ROBINSON GENERAL COUNSEL & VP-LEGAL AFF UC UCOP $404,000 $0 $412,916
THOMAS VARDON MCAFEE DEAN (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC SAN DIEGO $400,150 $0 $470,417
MONA L SONNENSHEIN (FUNCTL AREA) OFFICER-EXEC UC SAN DIEGO $396,409 $0 $450,794
JOHN M BISHOP CHANCELLOR UC SAN FRANCISCO $387,800 $0 $387,800
S ROBERT,JR FOLEY VICE PRES (FUNCTIONAL AREA) UC UCOP $381,688 $0 $390,604
STUART W JAMIESON PROFESSOR-MEDCOMP-A UC SAN DIEGO $381,249 $0 $786,095
MAUREEN L ZEHNTNER DEPUTY DIR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC IRVINE $379,980 $0 $404,980
ERNEST J RING (FUNCTL AREA) OFFICER-EXEC UC SAN FRANCISCO $378,345 $0 $378,345
MICHAEL V DRAKE CHANCELLOR UC IRVINE $378,175 $0 $387,091
WYATT R. HUME EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT UC UCOP $378,125 $0 $411,624
KENNETH M JONES ASSOC DIR (FUNCTL AREA)-EXEC UC SAN FRANCISCO $377,011 $0 $377,011
MARYE ANNE FOX CHANCELLOR UC SAN DIEGO $373,500 $0 $382,416

Records 1-25 of 644

Jimmy Doolittle on May 19, 2009 at 6:45 PM

California is NOT broke. This state easily collects enough taxes and other revenue to fund a $90-$100 billion budget. The problem is the Legislature wants to spend more than the state takes in.

The solution, as many of us out here have pointed out, is easy. Put the 2005 budget into place and we have a $30 billion surplus.

No one was starving in the street here in 2005. State spending has increased 40% in five years.

This isn’t rocket science to conservatives.

Obviously it is incomprehensible to Democrats.

sdillard on May 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM

The bastards. They just changed my link to a registration page.

Jimmy Doolittle on May 19, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I voted absentee a few days ago. No on all except 1F. I don’t really think 1F will actually do anything, but legislative salaries should be frozen if they can’t produce a balanced budget. Hell, legislators in California should be fined for not producing a balanced budget.

My opinion is that California should enter into a bankruptcy. The legislature will never clean this up. The unions here are all-powerful. They will destroy the image and reputation of anyone who tries to put some sort of control over their salaries. Only a hard-nosed bankruptcy judge will be able to straighten this state out. Assuming he can live long enough to do the job.

trigon on May 19, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Fortunata on May 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Texans apologizing for Texas is just the flip side of Texans bragging about it. I lived in Austin almost 45 years ago, and have visited many times since (my daughter lives there, and she’s a moonbat.) I’ve also lived in Dallas, San Antone and Pampa (in the panhandle), and it seemed to be unremitting.

I’ve never been able to figure out why Texans are so defensive about the state; it seems to amount to some massive inferiority complex which just won’t quit. The liberals are the worst.

warbaby on May 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I’ve never been able to figure out why Texans are so defensive about the state
warbaby on May 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Nor me. I can tell you that coming back home to Texas after a trip to Europe, especially after transitting through a place like Newark or Washington Dulles, makes me realise just how lucky I am to be here. I’d have taken us straight back if we had to live anywhere like NJ.

Fortunata on May 19, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I was wondering if anyone in the CA legislature had proposed cutting out that funding for stem cell research. That always struck me as a waste of taxpayer money
AZCoyote on May 19, 2009 at 5:32 PM

It was an expensive blue-county slap at George Bush. The private money was already moving to adult stem cells.

Feedie on May 19, 2009 at 8:21 PM

sdillard on May 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Nice. Exactly. I’d choose to roll it back further, myself, but 2005 is still better than the deranged spending frenzy the legislature has been in since.

J.E. Dyer on May 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM

having lived in Visalia, so I know what I am talking about.
THEY SHUT OFF THE WATER FOR THE FARMS FOR A FISH – A SMELT NO LESS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQRdtiTzmA0

I am writing my Congressman and Senator now.

They are not too big to fail. They failed their own PRODUCERS and need to fix themselves.

Not one dime.

seesalrun on May 19, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Is it me, or is Arnold really a Spendocrat (Democrat) incognito?

Oh, and California? Release the illegals, Release the Unions, Release the ban on off-shore oil leases, and find a conservative govenor!!! You’ll be back in black in no time at all!

TN Mom on May 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM

By the way, early results are showing every spending proposition getting shut down handily, 60% no and 40% yes on average. Prop 1F, limiting legislative salaries, is winning by a 3-1 margin.

The wife and I went to our polling place at 6:30PM tonight and we were only the 147th and 148th people to vote that day. Sad.

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM

TheMightyMonarch on May 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Mick E Mouse, DooDad Pro, and Good Will vote late…

sven10077 on May 19, 2009 at 11:46 PM

I voted. No on everything except the propositions that pushed proposition-driven budget decisions out of the specialized niches back into general funds.

Yesterday, I was shocked to learn the truth. For every CA state representative……..do you know yours, even?

1.8 million dollars.

State senator?

2.3 million.

That is the cost of maintaining their perks, their staff support, their pensions, salary, etc.

Imagine that.

And they are cutting healthcare homeworkers to meet the budget?

No wonder the SIEU objected.

This is so atrocious that I meet with the opposing side and agree.

What a bunch of baloney!

AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 12:08 AM

tailpipe emissions

Good description of all the arrogant BS coming from Sacramento these days.

infidel4life on May 20, 2009 at 12:08 AM

speed911 on May 19, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Good post. Exactly right on all counts. Unfortunately Californians Derangement Syndrome is alive and well in 49 states.

infidel4life on May 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Does that mean we’re down to 49 states?

Actually, it would be 59, wouldn’t it?

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”

–Barry Sortero

Fed45 on May 20, 2009 at 12:47 AM

The State legislators don’t really do much anymore but cause trouble.

Why spend these exorbinant amounts?

AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 1:03 AM

This was a great win for us in CA and for the rest of the country as well. Even if financial doomsday comes true and 0bama bails us out, the rest of the country will be so p.o.ed, he’ll get crushed.

Lou Budvis on May 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

LA Times:California voters exercise their power — and that’s the problem

Californians are well known for periodic voter revolts, but on Tuesday they did more than just lash out at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Legislature over the state’s fiscal debacle.

By rejecting five budget measures, Californians also brought into stark relief the fact that they, too, share blame for the political dysfunction that has brought California to the brink of insolvency.

Not one mention of any role that the California news and entertainment media have played in this debacle.

Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Associated press: Calif. voters reject slate of budget propositions

The votes on all the initiatives wsere as predicted. The only one that passed was:

Proposition 1F, which will prohibit raises to lawmakers and other state elected officials during deficit years.

Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Note that 1F looks to be a success by a large margin. It tells the lawmakers they cannot get raises if they run deficits.

Perhaps we should go one further. “If you raise taxes you cannot collect your pay, which reverts to the state’s general fund, for the rest of your time in office, any office.”

{^_^}

herself on May 20, 2009 at 2:45 AM

LA Times:California voters exercise their power — and that’s the problem

Loxodonta on May 20, 2009 at 2:09 AM

The sanctimonius arrogance of the L.A. Slimes is truly astounding. I hope that sorry rag goes belly up.

infidel4life on May 20, 2009 at 4:51 AM

I only can speak for why I voted down all the budget proposals.

It’s quite simple. 1.8 million per Rep, 2.4 per Senator? And what do they really do?

They proclaim a paid day off to celebrate the Illegal Immigrants march and work stoppage last year.

You read that right.

Appalling.

AnninCA on May 20, 2009 at 2:57 PM

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