Rasmussen: Opinions on ObamaCare hardening

posted at 1:36 pm on December 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Have recent revisions to ObamaCare in the Senate improved its standing with likely voters?  According to the latest Rasmussen polling, not at all.  And updating voters on the plan’s provisions make almost no difference at all:

Many have questioned whether those who favor or oppose the health care plan in Congress really know what’s in it. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey suggests that they have a decent understanding of the bill and that voter attitudes towards the legislation have hardened.

While several individual components of the plan are popular, reminding voters of what’s included in the plan has virtually no impact on support for the overall legislation. This suggests that there are not major surprises in the legislation that will cause people to change their opinion of it.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of voters nationwide support the plan, and 58% are opposed. That’s consistent with our weekly tracking of the issue which has found support between 38% and 41% every week from just before Thanksgiving to the end of 2009.

However, the continuing debate over ObamaCare and its provisions are making a difference to some people … mostly state governors looking at gigantic unfunded mandates via Medicaid.  It isn’t red-state governors doing all of the objecting, either:

The governors of the nation’s two largest Democratic states are leveling sharp criticism at the Senate health care bill, claiming that it would leave their already financially strapped states even deeper in the hole.

New York Democratic Gov. David Paterson and California GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger are urging congressional leaders to rework the Medicaid financing in the Senate-passed bill, warning that under that version their states will be crushed by billions in new costs.

After the Senate passed the bill in a Christmas Eve vote, Paterson said the expansion would leave New York $1 billion in the lurch. The state faces a $6.8 billion budget shortfall heading into the 2010 fiscal year.

“[I] am deeply troubled that the Senate version of the bill worsens what was already an inequitable situation for New York and I will continue to be an advocate on behalf of New Yorkers to ensure we are treated fairly by this critical federal legislation,” Paterson said in a statement.

The Governator says that he’s shocked, shocked! to find that he’s been misled on cost-shifting to the states:

“When asked for my support, I was assured that federal legislation would not increase costs to California or include new unfunded mandates,” Schwarzenegger wrote. “Unfortunately, under nearly every scenario we can predict, the federal health care reform legislation being debated would cost California’s General Fund an additional $3 billion to $4 billion annually.”

Harry Reid would tell Arnold that he should have had more competent Senators lining up at the trough. No one should be surprised in the least to see states get slammed with additional Medicaid costs, though, least of all the governors who acted as cheerleaders for ObamaCare all year long. The Medicaid expansion was a key part of every plan Democrats advanced, and we consistently warned that states would wind up bearing a large part of the cost as a means to get better scoring from the CBO.

Voters seem to understand that. For Paterson, Schwarzenegger, and other ObamaCare cheerleading governors who find themselves suddenly aware of billions in unfunded mandates, I’ll award the final 2009 Captain Louis Renault award:


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They aren’t listening to us, but they will hear us loud and clear on election day 2010 and 2012!

Ordinary1 on December 30, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Ha! I can’t believe these gov. were that stupid…they supported it when it counted, and now are starting the ol Kerry…I voted for it before I was against it, or whatever that foolish statement was….

right2bright on December 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM

The Medicaid expansion was a key part of every plan Democrats advanced, and we consistently warned that states would wind up bearing a large part of the cost as a means to get better scoring from the CBO.

D’oh!

cmsinaz on December 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Funny how two states with some of the highest tax rates are having such budgetary short-falls.

I wonder what the numbers of uninsured are like in these two states….

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Ordinary1 on December 30, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Perhaps, but by then the damage will be done. This steaming pile of dung will be law, and like almost every entitlement that preceded it, it will be set in stone by voters who don’t want to lose their freebies.

Add to that the specter of “immigration reform” adding, say, 10-15 million new Democrat voters to the rolls in fairly short order, and the certainty of the gluttonous criminals in D.C. “hearing us” drops considerably.

MrScribbler on December 30, 2009 at 1:42 PM

When the Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 from California asked President Obortion about those unfunded state mandates, It responded by saying “Talk to the Hand…I won.”

BobMbx on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I thought Reid said he would be hearing from his constituents earfuls of wonderment over the bill!

Enoxo on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

The only way we are going to get out from under this mess is to drill for our own oil everywhere we can, cut corporate taxes and tax rates to stimulate the economy, and throw every bum out of Congress who voted for the so-called stimulus, Cap & Trade and ObamaCare. It would be a good start anyway.

Ordinary1 on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I heard on Fox news this morning that the attorney general in FL, I believe that was the state, has sent all the other states attorney general a letter to see if they can come up with some legal action to stop this in the state level because of it is not constitutional. I hope this gets legs and it can be stopped if it is voted in.
L

letget on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

You can give quite justifiably give out the Louis Renault award to these guys, but I think this clip is closer to the truth (NSFW).

Mr. D on December 30, 2009 at 1:44 PM

The libs need the states to fall. Say hello to the United Collective of America.

LibTired on December 30, 2009 at 1:45 PM

The states will have even more “unfunded mandates” when the prisons become over crowded with those refusing to partake in OdumbassCare.

txag92 on December 30, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I’m really looking forward to 2010 and 2012, but I just can’t rule out yet another GOP self-immolation. All the political stars are getting in alignment but they can still – and probably will – screw things up.

Laura on December 30, 2009 at 1:47 PM

So would Sen. Reid approve of Sen. Nelson (D-FL) who only had three counties in his state exempt from the Medicare changes? And when I called his office for an explanation *crickets*, but a statement would be forthcoming. There are some very scary people running our lives.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I heard on Fox news this morning that the attorney general in FL, I believe that was the state, has sent all the other states attorney general a letter to see if they can come up with some legal action to stop this in the state level because of it is not constitutional. I hope this gets legs and it can be stopped if it is voted in.
L

letget on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I know South Carolina’s AG is doing this, but there are other state AG’s communicating with him.

SouthernGent on December 30, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I’d be interested in seeing if my Democrat governor, Bredesen, has changed his mind on Obamacare or if after several months’ time, he’s still against it.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM

What part about “WE CAN’T AFFORD THIS MONSTER” are they not understanding?

And, where are the GOP ads pounding on the evils of it? Just wondering.

stenwin77 on December 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Will Federal prisoners be covered under ObamaCare because that’s where most of Illinois Governors end up.

Knucklehead on December 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Like waking up from binge drinking….

elderberry on December 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’d be interested in seeing if my Democrat governor, Bredesen, has changed his mind on Obamacare or if after several months’ time, he’s still against it.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I read in the Tennessean last week that Lt Gov Ron Ramsey has been talking it up with Bredesen.

(we live in NoMidTN)

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Florida’s AG (who is running for Gov to replace Charlene Crist who will be out of a job in 2010) is raising issues with it too.

stenwin77 on December 30, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Err, rather talking it down w/ Bredesen. Ramsey is firmly against it, and I haven’t read anything that says Bredesen has changed his point of view from “it’s the mother of all unfunded mandates”.

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Talk about Calieforyan:

We just had a real shaker of an earthquake here in Southern Cal. Usually they don’t feel this strong. The whole building just shook. My screen was wobbling for a second or two.

My guess is it may have been a 5.7. Didn’t last long. It was a quickie.

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I know South Carolina’s AG is doing this, but there are other state AG’s communicating with him.

SouthernGent on December 30, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Texas’ AG, Greg Abbott, is on it big time.

TXUS on December 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I would love for a governor to tell the Feds to eff off. One reason I will probably vote for Rick Perry here in Texas.

WannabeAnglican on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The devil will be in the details, the more people learn about National Socialist Healthcare, the less they will like.

Chip on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Err, rather talking it down w/ Bredesen. Ramsey is firmly against it, and I haven’t read anything that says Bredesen has changed his point of view from “it’s the mother of all unfunded mandates”.

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Right. I don’t see anything that would make Gov. Bredesen change his mind on this either. Ramsey is somewhat of a neighbor of mine, btw. I’m from the Tri-Cities area…NE Tennessee.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I’d be interested in seeing if my Democrat governor, Bredesen, has changed his mind on Obamacare or if after several months’ time, he’s still against it.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Did he not learn anything after the disasterous TennCare almost destroyed that state?

Knucklehead on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Shake it up, Baby…

TXUS on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

From the Washington Examiner:

Why the underwear bomber might hurt Democrats’ health care plans

highhopes on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

We’re going to have to drag the GOP in the correct direction. They’ll kick & scream the whole way, but we’ll ignore them.

OhioCoastie on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

So when does this translate into an angry mob with pitchforks, torches, a large moving van, and impeachment/eviction notices??

AubieJon on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Just checked the news (Google Twitter) San Diego hit with a 5.9. Dang I am getting good at guessing the mag of these things.

You can watch Twitter stream here

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Many states are already in the red with extended unemployment compensation. Adding this additional financial burden on them will break their backs. They are not going to take the “tax the rich” approach either, when they have to raise revenue. Middle class working stiffs are going to end up taking it square in the teeth.

joedoe on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Go ahead Dims, and enjoy your “historic” victory in passing this disastrous POS bill.

And then enjoy the whirlwind you’re going to reap next November.

AZCoyote on December 30, 2009 at 1:59 PM

We’re going to have to drag the GOP in the correct direction. They’ll kick & scream the whole way, but we’ll ignore them.

OhioCoastie on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Depends on what you mean by right direction. If you mean back to traditional conservative values, I’m with ya. If you’re talking about more of the go along to get along of the McCain wing, you’re on your own.

highhopes on December 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM

We’re going to have to drag the GOP in the correct direction. They’ll kick & scream the whole way, but we’ll ignore them.

OhioCoastie on December 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Our mistake in the past was hoping they’d “get it” and learn from their mistakes.

We must simply acknowledge that as folly and take up the challenge on ourselves using a different vehicle to get things done…and then take back the party from these feckless middle of the road smooshies.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Right. I don’t see anything that would make Gov. Bredesen change his mind on this either. Ramsey is somewhat of a neighbor of mine, btw. I’m from the Tri-Cities area…NE Tennessee.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

My mom is from Whitesburg/Bullsgap. Beautiful country up your way!

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM

They aren’t listening to us, but they will hear us loud and clear on election day 2010 and 2012!

Ordinary1 on December 30, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Don’t be surprised if you have to make that case at the point of a bayonet. These people will not give up power easily, or politely.

MikeA on December 30, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Unfunded mandates to the rescue!

patrick neid on December 30, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Hey governors, ObamaCare is your skinflint date who skips out before having to pay the check! Is that clear enough for you?

ya2daup on December 30, 2009 at 2:06 PM

It will be interesting to see whether Governors Bobby Jindal (LA) and Heinemann (NE) (both Republicans) sue over this, even though they’ve gotten special dispensation to buy the votes of Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson.

Prediction: The Democrats will pass a new Porkulus bill to pay the states for the unfunded Medicaid mandates, at least for 2010, and by 2011, we’ll have a lot of new Governors too busy with their transitions to bother with this.

Steve Z on December 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM

We must simply acknowledge that as folly and take up the challenge on ourselves using a different vehicle to get things done…and then take back the party from these feckless middle of the road smooshies.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM

It’s a sure thing we cannot rely on Michael Steele to demonstrate any consistency or strong leadership in this. He is more of the “go along to get along” crowd, and I am extremely disappointed in him.

We need a DeMint-esque or Coburn-y leader atop the GOP, and not a beltway squish.

Intrepid on December 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM

And, where are the GOP ads pounding on the evils of it? Just wondering.
stenwin77 on December 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM

GOP Chairman Steele was last seen re-arranging the deck chairs and picking up ice shards for his cocktail. Tipped the string quartet very nicely too.

bloviator on December 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The Utah state AG is planning on fighting the constitutionality of the bill (if it actually becomes law).

gwelf on December 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Sarah and the Nebraskan Governors are RIGHT!

KILL THE BILL!

TheAlamos on December 30, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Obama and his court must be ticked off that we’re talking about security instead of Obama’care’.

The big Pretender is finally exposed. Wake up America, before you’re dead, literally.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Here’s an alternative solution to be promoted in all red states if this gets enforced:

Encourage all illegal aliens to come in who would like to get free health care – and register.

They can then get a fully paid one-way ticket (bus, train, or plane) to the nearest blue state capital. They will also receive one cab voucher to take them to the nearest medical center where they can get their free health care. It is up to them to find their way back, if they desire.

Illegals get their free health care.

Red states address their illegal immigrant problem at a fraction of the cost.

Blue states, out of the goodness of their hearts, can assume the burden to provide this population with health care.

Illegal immigrants end up in states and cities which provide sanctuary. In return, they will compete for blue state union jobs (unless they are already represented by the SEIU) – providing competition, and some culture.

That way, this crap sandwich tastes a bit better for all.

Danny on December 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I heard on Fox news this morning that the attorney general in FL, I believe that was the state, has sent all the other states attorney general a letter to see if they can come up with some legal action to stop this in the state level because of it is not constitutional. I hope this gets legs and it can be stopped if it is voted in.
L

letget on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I’m not holding my breath that my state AG, Andrew Cuomo, will ever work to thwart this unconstitutional legislation.

anXdem on December 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM

These political morons couldn’t run a hot dog cart and if they’re not stopped soon they’ll destroy the nation beyond repair. Where do these damn fools come from?

rplat on December 30, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Everytime I hear that they are going to tax medical devices, e.g., pace makers, prostheses, etc., I’m reminded how crazy this is.

Blake on December 30, 2009 at 2:14 PM

In Georgia our governor directed his Attorney General to look into the constitutionality of the health care bill, but being the big Obama fan that he is he told the governor that since it isn’t written into law yet he won’t pursue it.

Our governor, Sonny Perdue, is a Republican and the AG is a Dem.

Just A Grunt on December 30, 2009 at 2:19 PM

It will be interesting to see whether Governors Bobby Jindal (LA) and Heinemann (NE) (both Republicans) sue over this, even though they’ve gotten special dispensation to buy the votes of Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson.
Steve Z on December 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Don’t know about Jindal, but Heineman smells blood in the water regarding the 2012 Senatorial race and isn’t about to take his foot off the gas pedal.

a capella on December 30, 2009 at 2:19 PM

The same old story…not in my back yard. Liberals have no problem spending other people’s money, but sing a different tune when they have to dig in their own pockets. Landrieu and Nelson are living proof of that. The liberal Utopian world is imploding and they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Every so often the idiots who elect the type of morons we have running the country have to be reminded of the disaster that befalls any country that allows itself to be socialized. America is the only one that has held the socialists at bay thus far. We’re losing ground, but 2010 will either be our salvation or the final nail in our coffin.

orlandocajun on December 30, 2009 at 2:20 PM

My guess is it may have been a 5.7. Didn’t last long. It was a quickie.

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Funny…my wife said the same thing the other night….

BobMbx on December 30, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Well, since this monstrosity hasn’t been passed, maybe, all the incompetent senators from the 47 states that got no pay for play should hold out for some bribes of their own.

Jvette on December 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Right. I don’t see anything that would make Gov. Bredesen change his mind on this either. Ramsey is somewhat of a neighbor of mine, btw. I’m from the Tri-Cities area…NE Tennessee.

powerpro on December 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Hi neighbor….I’m over in Elizabethton.

ny59giants on December 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

It will be interesting to see whether Governors Bobby Jindal (LA) and Heinemann (NE) (both Republicans) sue over this

Steve Z on December 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Jindal won’t. He’s moved a good deal left since he became Gov. As Rep, he was hard right, very solid conservative. As Gov., he’s played fast and loose with ethics and with fiscal issues. It’s a shame, too – I always completely supported him, now, not so much.

Laura on December 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

OT – the big Pretender should start with opening his own records to the public.

Schadenfreude on December 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Gov. Huckabee is one of the few Republicans out there who has been explaining to the American people how this will effect the state budgets.

The republican party needs to use voices like Huckabee more often, as he uses a commonsense approach and an easy listening style to get across the points.

You just can’t say government run healthcare,death panels, and cuts to medicarre. You have to break it down so that voters can see how each state and each family will be affected in the budget/pocketbook.

texasconserv on December 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

By and large, all these liberals who scream for “free healthcare” end up being amazed when the cost bites them in the ass. A perfect example of “watch what you wish for, you might get it”-

bradley11 on December 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

“When asked for my support, I was assured that federal legislation would not increase costs to California or include new unfunded mandates,” Schwarzenegger wrote. “Unfortunately, under nearly every scenario we can predict, the federal health care reform legislation being debated would cost California’s General Fund an additional $3 billion to $4 billion annually.”

Ed attributes Schwarzenegger’s problem to faux outrage for something that he knew was coming. Maybe so, but per Occam — at least consider the possibility that Schwarzenegger is the imbecile that he appears to be.

Jaibones on December 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

It is no longer about health care, it is about Obama`s legacy; i.e. a President from the Democratic Party who got health care for all U.S. citizens (even if it isn`t true).

A health care bill (of some sort) will be passed.

albill on December 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

In the meanwhile, let us crank up the machine for 2010 and steamroll these effing liberal scumbags in Congress, beginning with Senator Droopy Drawers in Nevada.

Jaibones on December 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Ed attributes Schwarzenegger’s problem to faux outrage for something that he knew was coming. Maybe so, but per Occam — at least consider the possibility that Schwarzenegger is the imbecile that he appears to be.

Jaibones on December 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

It’s not a mutually exclusive situation. I pity whomever comes in behind Schwarzenegger or Patterson. Their messes are even more daunting than whomever will be forced to clean up on the federal level after all the corruption and mismanagement of the current administration.

highhopes on December 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

A health care bill (of some sort) will be passed.

albill on December 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

My guess is that some sort of a deal is already struck. The House will go along with some version of the Senate (with suitable bribes and incentives). Part of the deal IMO will put Amnesty or card check back on the forefront of the agenda.

highhopes on December 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

I heard on Fox news this morning that the attorney general in FL, I believe that was the state, has sent all the other states attorney general a letter to see if they can come up with some legal action to stop this in the state level because of it is not constitutional. I hope this gets legs and it can be stopped if it is voted in.
L

letget on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

There’s a Nullification movement percolating around…
From a friend of mine:

We all know the frustration of writing the federal government House of MisRepresentatives and Senators directly to defeat Marxist legislative actions, bills, treaties and the like. Though we cannot claim victory, neither do we embrace defeat. They knew they had to oppose the collective will of the people they purport to represent. We must still do such things but prefer to do much more EFFECTIVE things. In that light we are shifting our strategy to the State level to effect change. I see our success coming in the form of our NULLIFICATION MOVEMENT.

Congrats to the FIRST state to pass Nullification Laws: ARIZONA

Arizona has enacted state nullification laws which prevents any healthcare bill that requires its state residents to purchase any health insurance coverage as unconstitutional and therefore null and void in their state. No federal tax collection for healthcare is legal in Arizona!

I’m not sure how it works. If anyone has any input, I’m interested.

NTWR on December 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

the final 2009 Captain Louis Renault award:

Great suggestion! I think I’ll watch “Casablanca“!

oldleprechaun on December 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I’m not holding my breath that my state AG, Andrew Cuomo, will ever work to thwart this unconstitutional legislation.

anXdem on December 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Cuomo wants to be Governor and if he wins, he will have to figure out how to come up with the 3 billion dollars to pay for this mess. All while the legislation also forces the closing of dozens of hospitals in New York City. One would think he would have something to say about it.

rockmom on December 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Georgia’s Governor Perdue estimated that this horrible bill will cost Georgians between 300 and 500 million a year in additional Medicaid costs. I can’t wait for the libs to start shrieking about reductions in education spending, and so forth.

Meanwhile, yesterday I heard There’s something about Mary Landrieu complain about how much it would cost Louisiana. Here’s a clue Mary: Vote no. And just say no to your Congressional sugar daddies while you’re at it.

Buy Danish on December 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I’d like to see a poll of how many pols know what’s in the healthcare plan.

That Dems believe that naive voters will suddenly change their view and are now simply uninformed is absurd.

redfoxbluestate on December 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM

We can no longer depend on reason, common sense, good faith, or in some cases even political self-interest.

Our votes are not the only thing standing between us and tyranny.

rrpjr on December 30, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Geochelone on December 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

That was just me jumping up and down for joy when I finally got my pipes unfrozen from the run away Global Warming.

chemman on December 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM

“Our votes are NOW the only thing standing…”

Sorry.

rrpjr on December 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Our votes are not the only thing standing between us and tyranny.

rrpjr on December 30, 2009 at 3:03 PM

“Our votes are NOW the only thing standing…”

Sorry.

rrpjr on December 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Actually, the original statement is correct.

2nd Amendment, baby.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM

It’s pretty easy to support a bill that those “rich people” are going to pay for and the rest of it is free. I’m sure the Democrats were looking at the Governors complaining about costs and wondering what they were complaining about. Well, now they know.

When will these Democrats figure out there are no free rides?

bflat879 on December 30, 2009 at 3:11 PM

This health care hell is coming our way because of the Republicans. Every single one of them should be tarred and feathered. We know the Leftist democrats wanted to take over our lives, but we (at least I) didn’t know the extent of the Republican betrayal. I knew it was bad, but I didn’t know how bad. We never had a chance because the GOP never even put up or intended to put up a real fight. It was all a fake. We know the Leftists are animals, but the cowardice of the GOP is stunning.

From REDSTATE.COM:

Let’s roll the tape.

Before Thanksgiving, Sen.Tom Coburn, R-Okla., backed off a threat to force a reading of the healthcare bill. But appearing miffed, he made clear he did so reluctantly at the request of leadership

On Thursday, December 3rd, Senator Jon Kyl, the Senate Minority Whip, went on the Bill Bennett show and said, “I think we can be fairly upfront about it. Our strategy is not actually to delay and not take votes. . . .Our strategy is to have a lot of good amendments and highlight the problems in the bill,” and “it is not our strategy to somehow slow things down.”

…someone leaked the Judd Gregg memorandum that outlined all the minority rights available in the Senate to obstruct the health care legislation.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/health/pdf/MinorityRightsWithLetter.pdf

Notwithstanding the memo, Senator Mitch McConnell said:

“I think it’s clearly not the case that the Republicans want to delay a process that we’ve only now gotten an opportunity to participate in…”

Some people, mostly Senate staff hacks, are trying to make this about the filibuster. They say that because the GOP did not have 41 votes, the bare minimum to filibuster, the GOP could do nothing. That’s the argument of lazy intellectuals and dishonest rubes. Read Gregg’s memo. Read this post of mine..

Consider that:

◦all the GOP had to do was pick off one Democrat;
◦had the GOP promptly forced a vote, the bill would have failed because the Democrats did not have sixty votes;
◦the GOP strategy let the Democrats get to sixty votes;
◦had the GOP run the clock out to Christmas, the Democrats would have had to go home and face voters before voting; and lastly,
◦Mitch McConnell had 55 Republicans, but under his leadership it dwindled to 40. This record of success is only matched by his time as Chairman of the NRSC where, as you might have guessed, the GOP also lost seats.

Read the entire article here: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/28/mitch-mcconnell-tries-to-have-it-both-ways/

We have NO REPRESENTATION and the avalanche of communist crap grows bigger and falls faster by the day…golf, anyone?

tigerlily on December 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

I pity whomever comes in behind Schwarzenegger or Patterson.

Why? It’s ok now to just blame everything on the previous administration, and go play golf.

BacaDog on December 30, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Patterson is more impressive than my governor Arnold. Patterson is a lib but at least he advocates on behalf of New Yorkers.
Arnold is all over the place. He gives 0bowma an A, is a nut about so called global warming, wants to give drivers licenses to illegals and cannot control his scofflaw wife.

As a politician he is a girlyman compared to Patterson.

FireBlogger on December 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Even some of the 39% who support Obamacare are agast because of this cramming down the throats of the majority. The “consequences” of elections are to be suffered when they reflect majority opinion. In this case we have lefties who obscured the details of their agenda now with enough Dem votes to implement without regard or respect for majority opinion.

That disrespect is opposed left, right, and center, as is the vote buying that occurred to secure 60 Senate votes. Obamacare is turning to political poison. The only way this happens now is if the House accepts the Senate bill as is. The Senate will not likely achieve another healthcare cloture vote in 2010. It’s terrible legislation about a problem that is not even close to a national priority, what with the economy in the dumper and our air travel security at risk.

exdeadhead on December 30, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Tennessee will have to burden the added cost of $1.4 BILLION in Medicaid if Obamacare passes. Will they raise taxes to cover these cost? You betcha.

The problem is that people and business are already on a shoe-string budget. We cannot afford more state, local, and federal taxes!

KILL THE BILL!

TN Mom on December 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Arnie the chess player is finding his queen increasingly cornered. His line of self-serving BS has been wearing very thin lately. Another hide nailed to Sarah’s barn wall.

paul1149 on December 30, 2009 at 4:04 PM

No, as someone above said, they aren’t listening to us. I’ve heard a lot of reasons why but none of them ring true. What are the real reasons? I know I’m going to get the accepted answer about spreading/creeping socialism but that doesn’t fully explain it either. I wondered and still wonder if they are not getting deliberatly skewed information from various sources. I also wonder if Dingy, in his own twisted mind, has decided he’s going to get revenge on everybody and everything because his re-election prospects grow dimmer with each day. Look at his face and eyes in the various pix, they have an ‘I’ll get y’all’ look in them at least to me. Something has happened to reason and the good of the folks in both Houses and I’m not sure why. Perhaps it’s been shelved in favor of partisan hatred?

jeanie on December 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Corruption in congress is a more pressing issue than HCR. We have a true crisis on our hands.

mike_NC9 on December 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Ya know, I haven’t been a child for quite some time now but I am beginning to get the feeling I am being treated like one by my government.

Keep the bad news from the kiddies (just a lone isolated bomber, don’t worry).

Oh, did I forget to tell you we have military presence and money in Yemen (I don’t have to tell you everything I do. You wouldn’t understand anyway and you are too young to worry your pretty little head about it.).

My stimulus plan is working just fine, everything will be back to normal and even better soon (don’t worry, little one, Papa will provide).

Healthcare will be a shiny bright silver unicorn (no, you won’t get stuck with that big, sharp horn coming out of his head called waiting lines, higher premiums, taxes galore, mandates, review boards, less care, worse care, no quality care – trust me!).

I think I am a fairly bright person who has been making all of her own decisions in life, business, and investing for more than 25 years. I resent having an authoritarian figure in the form of Obama or the government treating me as if I am too young/stupid to comprehend a situtation and make my own decisions or, worse, yet, as if I am a mental defective.

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

tigerlily on December 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

We know the Leftist democrats wanted to take over our lives, but we (at least I) didn’t know the extent of the Republican betrayal.

I’ll tell you the first time I realized that the Republicans were as dim as the Dems — When John McCain told that lady at one of his campaign rallies that Obama was a good family man and there was nothing to fear from him.

I still voted for McCain because I saw him as the only stop-gap to the madness of King Obama; however, I started then to watch the Republicans, the people I had trusted implicitly as the “good guys”, a lot more closely.

Since then, I have noticed everything you cite Erick from Red State discussing. And I keep getting more angry at those I used to admire. I now trust only a few on Capitol Hill to have what is best for our country and in agreement with the will of The People as their first and foremost concern.

Corruption is rampant and I believe if the health travesty actually passes, it will be the first step to civil war. You cannot force 60% of the population to participate in something which they are against except by physical force or by brainwashing. That may be in the works, who knows.

If the GOP establishment really wanted to defeat this health care reform, wouldn’t they be doing everything in their power to support the Republican candidate for Senate from Massachusetts? Why aren’t they?

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I think you’ve hit it.People are not only angry about not being listened to, they are angry that they think we’re so stupid that our opinions are meaningless and shallow and we are not to be taken seriously. As for Teddy’s replacement? Win, lose or draw–they should be doing all they can. A sincere effort is never lost on people. They take note and remember even though our so called government doesn’t seem to notice that. After all, we’re a fickle and childish lot doncha know?

jeanie on December 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Schwarzenegger…The Austrian Oak with the Acorn Brain. What a disgrace.

mr1216 on December 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

cost California’s General Fund an additional $3 billion to $4 billion annually.”

California has a population of approximately 35 million. That’s another $100 per year per person.

Multiply that times 300 million US Population and we have a little 300 billion over 10 years surprise!!

islestar on December 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM

You mean healthcare costs MONEY?

Mojave Mark on December 30, 2009 at 8:32 PM