Ron Paul on the airline plot: “They’re terrorists because we’re occupiers!”

posted at 10:00 pm on December 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

I’ve already written about how his isolationist garbage leads inexorably to nonsense like this, so let me just add two points. First, and most obviously, there is no U.S. occupation of Yemen or Nigeria. The only way the airline plot is a reaction to U.S. “occupation” is if you accept the jihadist premise that there are no Arab/Muslim nation-states but rather only one Islamic caliphate waiting to be born. Only in that way does the U.S. occupation of Iraq warrant a reprisal from, say, a Pakistani or Yemeni. And yet, needless to say, if Britain was attacked tomorrow and Obama pledged U.S. forces to assist in the reprisal, Paul would be the first guy to scream that we should scrupulously observe national boundaries and not go fighting another country’s battles for it.

Second, as usual, his facts are wrong. He uncritically accepts Abdulmutallab’s assertion that the bomb plot was retaliation for the U.S. airstrike on jihadi camps in Yemen. Not so: As Jake Tapper explained yesterday, this turd had already been mobilized and had even bought his Northwest ticket before we struck. Purely and simply, America’s Greatest Patriot is parroting propaganda cooked up by jihadist pieces of sh*t because it happens to fit his insane foreign policy agenda. Support him and his disciples at your peril.

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I meant hundreds or thousands of bases in foreign countries.

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Uh huh. Amazing how paleocons like you and The Dean make such embarrassing “typos” and backtrack only after someone points them out.

MadisonConservative on December 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Yes, they did. Go wikipedia before you talk. Republicans got rid of it before the 06′ elections. Democrats were mad about it, and they restored it.

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

BTW, I looked up posse comitatus on Wiki (which can’t really be trusted as it leans Left) and it doesn’t say sh*t about it ever being “gotten rid of.”
Nor did I expect it, too.

You Paultards have serious issues, chief among them being the ability to read, listen or think.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Well it was rescinded for practical purposes.

This is what wiki says:

Recent legislative events
On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[3]
Section 1076 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces… to… restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition… the President determines that… domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order… or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such… a condition… so hinders the execution of the laws… that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law… or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[4]
In 2008, these changes were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.[5]

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

It’s not an accident that the three big war presidents, FDR, Wilson and Lincoln, were responsible for the largest growth in government power, military, and programs. LBJ, Nixon, Bush, can be thrown in as lesser war presidents.

Terrorism is an excuse to grow the government.
inconvenient truths? about terrorism

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Link please.

Citing this alleged change in p.c. doesn’t begin to address the problems posed by your and Paul’s stand on U.S. defense and security, though.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

“Whattaya ya mean I can’t have the little twerp taken out and shot?”
– The Ghost of LBJ

mojo on December 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Spastic, you forgot the last sentence of that passage you quoted on posse comitatus at Wiki:

In 2008, these changes were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM

You Paultards have serious issues, chief among them being the ability to read, listen or think.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This coming from a Bushtard who prefers to believe the childish “they hate us for our freedoms,” rather than consider that is just might be a combination of U.S. foreign policy blowback and the irrationality of fanatical Islamicists.

Your simplistic assertion would be funny, if so many lives weren’t at stake…

8 Americans die in suicide blast in Afghanistan

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

I not only have a B.A. in History, but 2 Masters degrees.

Greek and Roman armies, under Romeo13’s qualifications, would be considered “brutal” and were hampered by no touchy-feely U.N. rules of “international law” when it came to winning.

And yet they brought their very civilized forms of government and society to their conquered foes.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 4:49 AM

Wait, I’m confused. You said that the U.S. armies were “like, the most honorable and awesome in the history of the world EVAR!!!1111″

Now you seem to be saying it’s all about the supposed “U.N. rules.” Which is it?

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Now you seem to be saying it’s all about the supposed “U.N. rules.” Which is it?

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

You tell me!
You’re the master of the moving target.
I can’t tell whether you’re talking about the U.S. military, then and now, or that of the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

crosspatch on December 30, 2009 at 4:20 AM√
Nice economic takedown of Paul, though.
Thank you.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:00 AM

So your an historian AND an economist, eh? And all from the comfy confines of Lucky Loser Mobile Home Park. Impressive! LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

The Paultards have a plan to takeover the GOP and make it in their image, its why they all have “R’s” by their names and have been trying to takeover local GOP offices. Which Lindsey Graham keeps running into them in SC for example

jp on December 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Yeah, because you — the people who brought us George W. Bush — present such a pretty picture, right? LOL Clown.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM

This coming from a Bushtard who prefers to believe the childish “they hate us for our freedoms,” rather than consider that is just might be a combination of U.S. foreign policy blowback and the irrationality of fanatical Islamicists.

Your simplistic assertion would be funny, if so many lives weren’t at stake…

They do hate us for our freedoms.
And lives have been at stake since militant Islam started conquering the world by sword in the 8th Century.
It has NOTHING to do with “U.S. foreign policy ‘blowback’” and everything to do with the bloodlust directives issued by the prophet Mohammed himself and the irrationality of radical Islam and its adherents.

8 Americans die in suicide blast in Afghanistan

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

God rest them.
This is what happens when the Commander-in-Chief won’t utter the word “victory,” changes the ROE so that soldiers can’t defend themselves and changes the focus of the mission to nation building rather than defeating the enemy and winning the war.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM

We went into Iraq after occupying their airspace and bombing them for over a decade, which came about from the First Gulf War,

LevStrauss on December 30, 2009 at 1:18 PM

LOL, brilliant satire!

We didn’t “occupy their airspace”, we (along with France and England) established 2 humanitarian No Fly Zones.

And guess who triggered the Iraqis to challenge and ignore those no fly zones? The same Democrat President whose Justice Department explicitly linked al Qaeda with Iraq.

Try harder.

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

“Moral relativism” are too hard a concept to grasp. Smaller words pleez!

Palin 2012!

right2bright on December 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Fix’d

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

So your an historian AND an economist, eh? And all from the comfy confines of Lucky Loser Mobile Home Park. Impressive! LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I live in a very nice residential part of Dallas, thanks for asking, in my own house.

And yes, I am an Art Historian with an MBA who makes my living in Real Estate Development.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Actually, after reading this I think Ron Paul is dangerous.

ORconservative on December 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Nah, you always did think that. Thanks for giving us George W. Bush, BTW. A brilliant move.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Everytime when I start to warm up to Dr. Paul he opens up hia damn pie hole and ruins it by saying something so rediculous.

You do not get another chance. DONE!!!!

Winebabe on December 30, 2009 at 12:23 PM

LOL Second (and third, and fourth) chances are for The Quitter only . . . right? :D

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:29 PM

So your an historian AND an economist, eh? And all from the comfy confines of Lucky Loser Mobile Home Park. Impressive! LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Even if I lived in a trailer home, so what?!
I’d still be right and you the other Lefty,anti-Semitic white Supremacist trolls on this thread would still be wrong.
That’s the cheapest kind of ad hominem attack.
Some folks actually prefer to live in mobile homes and many of them are quite nice!
Way to attack thousands, if not millions, of your fellow Americans!

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Nah, you always did think that. Thanks for giving us George W. Bush, BTW. A brilliant move.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I’m proud to say I voted for Bush 4 TIMES-twice as Governor, twice for President.
He’s a good man who gave this country at least 7 years of security and enormous prosperity.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Not to mock founder Samual Adams, but I wish Paultards and the Pauls were not my countrymen!
Almost all of what they want for my country is un-American.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Of course you do. You’re a Palinbot. Thus you can say thinks like “wish they were not my countrymen” and “un-American” in the same breath. Your trailerpark mentality is not sufficiently developed to encompass the concept of “cognative dissonance.”

I’d tell you to Google it but we both know it would be a waste of electricity.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Ron Paul is nuts. Quotes like “One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist” are a cop out. It’s a way to self-justify without having to actually examine the facts. When you have to murder innocent people and force your cause upon your own (resisting) people, there probably is something wrong with your logic.

hachiban on December 30, 2009 at 1:48 PM

We should rush right in and save these people from themselves, then, right!

We’re conservaties AND want to be the Nanny of the World!

Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:37 PM

OK, time for a Constitutional Amendment requiring a minimum acceptable score on the mini-Mental Status Exam and a maximum age for Congress (of 70 or so…after all, they claim that airline pilots have to quit at 60).

HBowmanMD on December 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Community college gives medical degrees now?

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

So your an historian AND an economist, eh? And all from the comfy confines of Lucky Loser Mobile Home Park. Impressive! LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Coming from a moron like yourself, who does not know the difference between “your” and “you’re”, that’s rich.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

How Governments cause terrorism

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

LOL! This guy is even simpler than you and Ron Paul. All 3 of you giver Libertarianism a bad name. And that comes from one who voted for Harry Browne in 2000.

We have bases in many hundreds if not thousands of countries.

Spathi on December 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Brilliant satire.

The US Military has bases in 63 countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries.

The majority of those bases are in Western countries.

Keep trying, kiddo!

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM

If you check the thread, I believe you’ll find the preponderance of commenters found Ron Paul comment about us being “occupiers”, offensive.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Spoken like a true, touchy-feely Democrat.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Your trailerpark mentality is not sufficiently developed to encompass the concept of “cognative dissonance.”

With 2 Masters degrees, I hardly have a lower class “mentality.”
And again, I resent you attacking your fellow Americans on the basis of what type of home they live in!
Cognitive dissonance does not explain plain old vanilla anti-Americanism, but it would explain how you could hold such a pack of lies as a political philosophy!

I’d tell you to Google it but we both know it would be a waste of electricity.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Actually, replying to an idiot troll like you is a waste of electricity…and bandwidth.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Denizens of Hot Air….I pose a question to you? Who’s words are more applicable to the conservative movement? The indellible wisdom of Russell Kirk or the foibles of democrat transplant in Irving Kristol. You people have lost your way, in large part due to the traumatic damage suffered after 9/11. On one hand, I can understand your dilemma, but you must see the big picture. This imperial, world police model is unsustainable and damaging to our well-being as a nation. We’re bleeding from within, while these ridiculous mult-decade campaigns carry on with no rhyme or reason. Much like Vietnam, the goal was to never to achieve victory ( read the ridiculous Rules of Engagement Senator Goldwater unearthed.) We’re spinning our wheels in a bureaucratic morass that only benefits defense contractors and industrialists.

Pitchforker on December 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Basically, yes. They’re all NeoCon dupes of the Military Industrial Complex. They claim to be “conservative” but want to be Nanny to the World. Their limited cognative faculties will not allow them to see the inherent contradiction. They’ll vote for Palin though. You betcha!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

More drivel from voxpopuli, who will, I predict, receive the ban hammer next, as it is being wielded quite handily these days.

Have you taken an overdose of your meds, voxasswipe? Your constant maniacal comments seem to indicate that you’re a little more high strung than you normally are.

How about more “LOL!” You’re always good for excessiv e braying at your own jokes.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Pitchforker on December 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM
WTF???

hawkdriver on December 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

You’re not capable of understanding. Just cast your vote for Caribou Barbie and tell yourself you’re intelligent.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Basically, yes. They’re all NeoCon dupes of the Military Industrial Complex.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

“NeoCon dupes?” Does that mean dupes of Jews to you?

As for the “Military Industrial Complex,” what does that mean?
Do you even know?
Did even President Eisenhower know when he said it?

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Yeah, voxpopuli mocks people’s intelligence, yet he can’t even construct a grammatically correct sentence if it contains a contraction of “you are” or the possessive “your” because it does not know the difference.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Pitchforker on December 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM
You are delusional. The truth is the US is the power that keeps the world from flying apart. The Brits used to be the ones who made it possible to ship goods and keep world trade alive, now it is the US. The US is also the country that is mostly responsible for the funding of NATO.

Maybe you would prefer the good old days of WW1 and WW2 before the US really got all that involved in the world. The genocides and massacres of peoples all over the world that often as not sent starved refugees to our borders…but the truth is the US can not just build a wall around this country and cut ties with the world without creating a huge vacuum…and who would fill that vacuum? China? Russia? Chaos?

Terrye on December 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM

LOL Typical NeoCon moron. China already has 1.5 BILLION Screamin’ Chinese. And you’re worried if they add a few Koreans or Vietnamese to the lot. LOL Clown.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Thanks for giving us George W. Bush, BTW. A brilliant move.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

It just eats you alive that he stole that 2000 election, doesn’t it? And then set a record for Presidential job approval in 2001, conned your party into letting him start a war in 2003, stole the election from your “candidate” in 2004, and then flooded New Orleans after giving them 3 days notice to evacuate?

Keep trying.

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Pathetic attempts to distract attention away from the Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Ron Paul and turn it into a Palin-bashing thread.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

You’re not capable of understanding. Just cast your vote for Caribou Barbie and tell yourself you’re intelligent.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Wow, you must have destroyed a lot of those tiny brain cells in attempting to pound out that sentence!

Do entertain us with more of your great wit, jackass! How about another braying “LOL!”?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

They’re all NeoCon dupes of the Military Industrial Complex.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Oh, please kid. Give the “N” wprd a rest, it’s so 9/10.

Just call them Joos like the rest of your college chums, OK?

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM

LOL Typical NeoCon moron. China already has 1.5 BILLION Screamin’ Chinese. And you’re worried if they add a few Koreans or Vietnamese to the lot. LOL Clown.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

That’s the ticket, jackass! More “LOL”!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Just cast your vote for Caribou Barbie and tell yourself you’re intelligent.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Has anyone ever seen vox and simplesimon in the same place at the same time?

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Osama’s dead.
And America’s never lost a war (not even Vietnam)

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM

LOL Hook, line, and sinker. Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Has anyone ever seen vox and simplesimon in the same place at the same time?

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

LOL! No, but I bet they were spawned from the same she-bitch. LOL!

LOL! (Just imitating vox’s braying)

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

LOL Hook, line, and sinker. Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

C’mon, jackass! That only had one LOL! in it! Give us some more of that braying, you witless wonder!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

LOL Hook, line, and sinker. Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Looks like it honored your request, atheling.
What a plus perfect moron poxpopuli is!

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

The United States could militarily dominate the entire Middle East in less than 6 months if it wanted to.

Pitchforker on December 30, 2009 at 2:20 PM

And there is the problem.

Many people are already tired of the idea of the US playing the world’s policeman for a variety of reasons – the rage would be a thousand times greater if we actually DID go and set up an oil empire.

You don’t debate with crazy people; it’s futile. You label them as a warning to others and then move on.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Exactly what should happen to Mr.Stein.

That nut should change his first name to Frank and his middle name to something starting with N.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

LOL Hook, line, and sinker. Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Can you prove bin Laden is alive? No one else has been able to confirm that he is for 9 years.

And can you prove we “lost” the war in Vietnam? I don’t recall Nixon signing any documents of surrender.

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Spathi, regarding David Duke and Stormfront supporting Paul, read this and weep, you troll:
The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

What a Palintard.

How much money did Paul allegedly receive from “David Duke and Stormfront”?

Now how much did he receive from everybody elses?

Please provide specific dollar figures.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

They do hate us for our freedoms … It has NOTHING to do with “U.S. foreign policy ‘blowback’”….
Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Well, the CIA and the hawkish Rand Corporation say you’re wrong.

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Looks like it honored your request, atheling.
What a plus perfect moron poxpopuli is!

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

It kills me. Every time it posts, it has a “LOL!” in it, like some stupid valley girl cackling over every lousy joke it cracks. It reminds me of the lonely loser in the corner of the room, joking and cackling at itself, while everyone politely gives it a wide berth.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I points out typoos on the intarnets. I are geenius!

MadisonConservative on December 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

‘Nuff said.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Hey, jackass, you forgot to show us your cackling! Don’t forget the ubiquitous “LOL!” at the beginning and ending of every comment you post, loser!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

voxpopuli – try to tone it down with the dumb redneck/white trash memes, willya? Even if they are founded in truth.

Let the loonie lefties and the whacky wingnuts be the ones spewing the stereotypes, let them show themselves for the crackpots they are. It helps show who’s really the simple simon in a debate and who bothers to think outside the box.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Many people are already tired of the idea of the US playing the world’s policeman for a variety of reasons

No. What the American people are tired of is hearing about our soldiers getting killed for the wrong reasons (ROEs which are too enemy friendly) while we’re attacked by Islamist killers,the comrades-in-arms of the men killing us in Afghanistan, at home.

Exactly what should happen to Mr.Stein.
Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

What would that be,exactly?
Something along the lines of a trip to a Conzentration Slager and then a final “shower?”

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

That’s the cheapest kind of ad hominem attack.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

This.

From you.

I think “LOL” about sums it up.

LOL.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Let the loonie lefties and the whacky wingnuts be the ones spewing the stereotypes, let them show themselves for the crackpots they are.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Don’t look now, but that would be you, Spastic and poxpopuli, Death-Star.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

This.

From you.

I think “LOL” about sums it up.

LOL.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I don’t engage in ad hominems, but I will call a troll a troll.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I’m proud to say I voted for Bush 4 TIMES-twice as Governor, twice for President.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Of course you are. That’s my point. You’re the cancer destroying the party. But at least you’re proud of it. Yay!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Yo, jackasswipe! I can’t wait to see Palin inaugurated in 2013 so that you shriek in anguish and despair. Hope you’ve got hemlock or a pistol in your cupboard so you can off yourself after she is elected. Oh wait, you Aussie wimps don’t have guns anymore, which is why your violent crime rate has skyrocketed. Loser!

LOL!

LOL!

LOL!

(How was that imitation?)

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

This coming from a person who thinks a man should not be financially responsible for his children?

Who the hell gave you any moral credibility, you loser?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM

“NeoCon dupes?” Does that mean dupes of Jews to you?

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:45 PM

It

could

mean that . . . what is this great love of Jews you have? Most of them vote Democrat. I don’t consider them particularly friendly to the conservative cause, as a whole.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Where’s the “LOL!”, idiot? Come on, don’t disappoint us! Give us at least half a dozen now, laughing cow!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Of course you are. That’s my point. You’re the cancer destroying the party. But at least you’re proud of it. Yay!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

No, Paul and his Paultards are one of the cancers on the GOP, along with the RINOs, but you won’t destroy the Party.
Our ideas, values and principles are stronger than you are.

And yes, I am a proud Bushie and prouder with every passing day of life in the ObamaNation.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

LOL!

LOL!

LOL!

You can do it!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM

No. What the American people are tired of is hearing about our soldiers getting killed for the wrong reasons (ROEs which are too enemy friendly) while we’re attacked by Islamist killers,the comrades-in-arms of the men killing us in Afghanistan, at home.

Well, true. There are people who want that as well.

My point is that some are war-weary and saying “get out of there and let those fanatics kill themselves!” I sympathize with that position…but the trouble is that the Muslim madmen won’t strictly stick to killing each other for too long.

What would that be,exactly?
Something along the lines of a trip to a Conzentration Slager and then a final “shower?”

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

You’re being intentionally dense to a post you made yourself.

You don’t debate with crazy people; it’s futile. You label them as a warning to others and then move on.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Exactly what should happen to Mr.Stein.

That nut should change his first name to Frank and his middle name to something starting with N. (PS – this was a joke, in case you really couldn’t tell)

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

It just eats you alive that he stole that 2000 election, doesn’t it? And then set a record for Presidential job approval in 2001, conned your party into letting him start a war in 2003, stole the election from your “candidate” in 2004, and then flooded New Orleans after giving them 3 days notice to evacuate?

Keep trying.

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

No. What gets my goat is that SocialCon and NeoCon dolts (like you) have driven this great nation into the ground by allowing the Marxists to come to power. Satisfied yet, dupe? Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

mean that . . . what is this great love of Jews you have? Most of them vote Democrat. I don’t consider them particularly friendly to the conservative cause, as a whole.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

And you are?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I am uncomfortable being called a NeoCon, because it too accurately represents me.

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Fix’d.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM

This coming from a person who thinks a poor man who is in no shape to be a father should not be financially responsible for his children, since they have a millionaire grandmother?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM

FTFY.

Who the hell gave you any moral credibility, you loser?

The same person that gave you any ability to judge others, you rabid wingnut.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM

No. What gets my goat is that SocialCon and NeoCon dolts (like you) have driven this great nation into the ground by allowing the Marxists to come to power. Satisfied yet, dupe? Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Is that why you’re not laughing? Someone stole your goat?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:10 PM

then we could go much farther back to the Founders themselves if you wish
jp on December 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

George Washington considers you a tool and a dupe.

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

and here is the problem with Paultards, they are ignorant to basic history.

George Washington was not a Paultard isolationist limp-wrist. First of all, do you know who wrote his Farewell address? Of course not but I ask to point out it was your most Hated Founder, Washington’s right hand man, Alexander Hamilton. Know why Hamilton used that phrase and what he actually meant???? Of course not, but I ask to point it out: The Federalist were writing a Political Attack against the Jeffersonians who wanted to ally with France and Against Britian. They thought the Jeffersonians were nuts and did not want anything to do with that but would prefer to stay closer to the English.

Washington sent troops abroad, formed alliances and dreamed of the United States one day being a “Rising Empire”(his words) during his Administration.

Not a single President ever adherred to a “Non-Interventionist” limp-wristed Ron Paul type of Foreign Policy…..EVER

jp on December 30, 2009 at 6:11 PM

what is this great love of Jews you have?

They are God’s chosen people.
And in today’s WOT, their enemy is our enemy: Radical Islamists.

Most of them vote Democrat.

And?
So what?

I don’t consider them particularly friendly to the conservative cause, as a whole.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I do.
Most Jews don’t pay enough attention to what they’re supporting when they vote Democrat, but I have a feeling after Obama, they’ll pay lots of attention from now on.
There are many good Jews who are very friendly to Conservatism.

BTW, I would never accuse you of being a Conservative.
Ever.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:11 PM

C’mon, jackass! That only had one LOL! in it! Give us some more of that braying, you witless wonder!

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Take a look in the mirror and you’ll find what exactly you’re looking for. You’re as bad as simplesimon was.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM

The same person that gave you any ability to judge others, you rabid wingnut.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I noticed that you didn’t have the courage to answer when a few people rightfully jumped all over your irresponsible a** when you asserted that a man does not have any financial responsibility for his child just because the mother allegedly has money.

That tells me you’re a marxist jerk, as well as one of those types who like to breed children and leave it to the state to care for them.

I’d rather be a “wingnut” than a loser jackass like you.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM

And you we are?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

FIFY

Arab Dictatorships Take 4 of Top 5 Spots in Purchase of U.S. Weapons and Services

Most of the leading buyers of American military hardware in 2008 had two characteristics in common: they speak Arabic and their governments are opposed to democracy and basic freedoms.

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Libertarain founder of the “New Individualist” magazine:

Ron Paul’s “noninterventionism” fraud

Paul is a lying dirt bag, in bed with the Far-Left

jp on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I don’t engage in ad hominems, but I will call a troll a troll.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

What a plus perfect moron poxpopuli is!

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

“Plus Perfect LOL.”

LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Is that why you’re not laughing? Someone stole your goat?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:10 PM

That was so lame, if it were a person it would be a quadriplegic.

Do us all a favor – listen to one of the right-wing talk show hosts for an hour and write down some of the better insults. At least you’ll sound better.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Take a look in the mirror and you’ll find what exactly you’re looking for. You’re as bad as simplesimon was.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Uh, I see that subtlety is not your forte. I was imitating the idiot troll, moron.

And how about an answer? Why do you think a man should drop his financial obligation for his child? What kind of irresponsible jackass would promote that? It is exactly that kind of socialist garbage that is destroying our nation. Black children are especially at risk because they are raised in a culture where their men are TAUGHT that it’s okay to breed children and abandon them to the state.

Is that what you’re all about?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

What the hell kind of online “newspaper” is AllGov.com?!
Never seen it before.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:16 PM

“Plus Perfect LOL.”

LOL

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

There it is! Back to normal now.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:16 PM

poxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Calling you a moron isn’t an ad hominem.
It’s a statement of fact.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:17 PM

That was so lame, if it were a person it would be a quadriplegic.

Do us all a favor – listen to one of the right-wing talk show hosts for an hour and write down some of the better insults. At least you’ll sound better.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Do yourself a favor, loser. Stop defending the jackass trolls here and man up.

Why do you think it’s okay for a man to abandon his child?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Arab Dictatorships Take 4 of Top 5 Spots in Purchase of U.S. Weapons and Services

Most of the leading buyers of American military hardware in 2008 had two characteristics in common: they speak Arabic and their governments are opposed to democracy and basic freedoms.

Rae on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

*jawdrop*

Jumping catfish…you really do learn something new every day.

The pursuit of the Almighty Profit at it’s very best!

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Hey, Voxignoramus,

The poster you called “the biggest cry-baby on the web” wants you to come out and play a while, you non ad hominem using intellectual, you.

kingsjester on December 30, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Here’s a reminder of the comment you wrote, in case you conveniently forgot:

So you don’t think a father has any responsibility to provide, if the mother has other income?

right2bright on December 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Not if ‘mother’ has a millionaire family who could pay for a half-dozen kids, never mind one. Unless Bristol is to go out on her own, she won’t need the money and it would be better to keep Levi well away from his child.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

So, you’re really a marxist jerk who thinks it’s okay for a man to father a child and them abandon him.

Nice.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Do yourself a favor, loser. Stop defending the jackass trolls here and man up.

Hmm, more judgement. Again – who gave you any authority?

Vox’s arguments may be wrong, but I have yet to see you contribute anything besides insults.

Why do you think it’s okay for a man to abandon his child?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Abandonment and not being fit to be a father in the first place are very different things.

But if you really think it’ll make some kind of point to make him pay child support, fine, I concede that argument.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Abandonment and not being fit to be a father in the first place are very different things.

Evasion. That’s not the issue.

But if you really think it’ll make some kind of point to make him pay child support, fine, I concede that argument.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM

You really don’t have any principles or morals, don’t you? You see, the responsibility is based on the principle that a man should be responsible for his actions, and especially for fathering a child. The fact that you can’t see that tells a lot more about you than it does about anything else.

I have the moral ground to make a judgment. You don’t.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Abandonment and not being fit to be a father in the first place are very different things.

What?

But if you really think it’ll make some kind of point to make him pay child support, fine, I concede that argument.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM

If so ordered by a court, he should pay child support, just like all fathers do in this country who don’t live with their child’s mother and how rich or poor the child’s grandparents are doesn’t enter into it.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Furthermore, my moral ground comes from possessing a sense of responsibility for my actions.

Ideally, that’s what all adults should have. If they do, then they do have the moral ground to make a judgment.

By the way, the faculty of judgment is a function of the intellect. To refuse to use it (when one’s conscience is properly informed) is to abandon reason.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM

You really don’t have any principles or morals, don’t you?

I don’t have YOUR principals or morals. Deal with it. That doesn’t automatically make me evil.

the responsibility is based on the principle that a man should be responsible for his actions, and especially for fathering a child.

All I was saying was that making him pay is pointless given the fact that mom is already financially secure. But if you still think he should pay, fine. Go for it. Let’s see you make him pay.

I have the moral ground to make a judgment. You don’t.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

You have nothing except your elitist mentality and self-proclaimed superiority. You’re as bad as the left-wingers who call their opponents ignorant rednecks.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Spathi, regarding David Duke and Stormfront supporting Paul, read this and weep, you troll:
The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM
What a Palintard.

How much money did Paul allegedly receive from “David Duke and Stormfront”?

Now how much did he receive from everybody elses?

Please provide specific dollar figures.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Still waiting on those facts and figures, Girl Wonder.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Jumping catfish…you really do learn something new every day.

The pursuit of the Almighty Profit at it’s very best!

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

You’ll take the word of that linked story, even though that’s the only place I’ve ever seen the story posted?

BTW, I believe Ron Paul would cheer Arab dictatorships buying American arms, plus he’d blame it on the Jews and Zionism in the bargain!

Further, condemn it all you want, but the defense industry employs a lot of Americans and if we don’t arm our friends and allies, the Russians will.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I’m delusional? the U.S. accounts for roughly half of the world’s defense spending & in a post Cold War environment nonetheless. What part of world police model don’t you understand? We have military personnel deployed in over 150 countries!!!!!!!! There’s one thing to defend your national sovereignty but this global task force is the definition of insanity. Why should the American taxpayer pay for the indifference of foreigners? Why?

Pitchforker on December 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Statics don’t prove your claim. They are just numbers which represent spending.

We have military personnel deployed in over 150 countries!!!!!!!! There’s one thing to defend your national sovereignty but this global task force is the definition of insanity.

And??
Whats your definition of insanity, and how does it apply to your claim.

The popular definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

We do the same thing..learn from mistakes..develop new tactics and expect the same outcome..which is preserving stability and protecting the people and interests of America.

Why should the American taxpayer pay for the indifference of foreigners? Why?

It would be nice if you could depend on the integrity of other countries involvement, but some take the same path as liberals and lefties in this country, i.e. “let someone else do my part”. I know you agree that is a weak and juvenile mindset, but if that is the way it is, that is the way it is. To determine policy decisions based on the weak would be insanity. Reason and rational thought must prevail imo.

Itchee Dryback on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

If so ordered by a court, he should pay child support, just like all fathers do in this country who don’t live with their child’s mother and how rich or poor the child’s grandparents are doesn’t enter into it.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Fine! Look, I concede the point already. If you want to make him pay on the principle of the thing, go ahead. Not like I’m gonna feel sorry for him.

Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

No. What gets my goat is that SocialCon and NeoCon dolts (like you) have driven this great nation into the ground by allowing the Marxists to come to power. Satisfied yet, dupe? Palin 2012!

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

What’s a SocialCon? Not familiar with that term. Did Charles Johnson just make that up?

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I don’t have YOUR principals or morals. Deal with it. That doesn’t automatically make me evil.

No one said anything about “evil”. You’re the one who brought it up. You still have not said whether or not you think a man should be accountable for his children’s welfare. I do think that it’s evil to abandon one’s child. Do you?

You have nothing except your elitist mentality and self-proclaimed superiority. You’re as bad as the left-wingers who call their opponents ignorant rednecks.
Dark-Star on December 30, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I’m no elitist. I’m confident and I have values. Deal with it.

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM

what is this great love of Jews you have?
They are God’s chosen people.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:11 PM

LOL Hey Dark-Star, and you were asking me not to call this trash, trash? This is the same person who said n***** 30 years ago.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM

By the way, Dark Star, I’m wondering:

Do you have children for whom you refuse to support? Have you abandoned your children to the care of the state?

atheling on December 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Libertarain founder of the “New Individualist” magazine:

Ron Paul’s “noninterventionism” fraud

Paul is a lying dirt bag, in bed with the Far-Left

jp on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

LOL Freeper. What’s the matter, is World Net Daily down? LOL Clown.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Still waiting on those facts and figures, Girl Wonder.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Whats your point supposed to be?

Itchee Dryback on December 30, 2009 at 6:35 PM

poxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Calling you a moron isn’t an ad hominem.
It’s a statement of fact.

Jenfidel on December 30, 2009 at 6:17 PM

LOL Palinbot logic to a T.

voxpopuli on December 30, 2009 at 6:35 PM

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