Ron Paul on the airline plot: “They’re terrorists because we’re occupiers!”
posted at 10:00 pm on December 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
I’ve already written about how his isolationist garbage leads inexorably to nonsense like this, so let me just add two points. First, and most obviously, there is no U.S. occupation of Yemen or Nigeria. The only way the airline plot is a reaction to U.S. “occupation” is if you accept the jihadist premise that there are no Arab/Muslim nation-states but rather only one Islamic caliphate waiting to be born. Only in that way does the U.S. occupation of Iraq warrant a reprisal from, say, a Pakistani or Yemeni. And yet, needless to say, if Britain was attacked tomorrow and Obama pledged U.S. forces to assist in the reprisal, Paul would be the first guy to scream that we should scrupulously observe national boundaries and not go fighting another country’s battles for it.
Second, as usual, his facts are wrong. He uncritically accepts Abdulmutallab’s assertion that the bomb plot was retaliation for the U.S. airstrike on jihadi camps in Yemen. Not so: As Jake Tapper explained yesterday, this turd had already been mobilized and had even bought his Northwest ticket before we struck. Purely and simply, America’s Greatest Patriot is parroting propaganda cooked up by jihadist pieces of sh*t because it happens to fit his insane foreign policy agenda. Support him and his disciples at your peril.
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OK Paulnuts, explain this away. I can’t wait to hear it.
thomasaur on December 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
We’re occupiers is code for Israel exists amidst the Arab states. That’s it in a nut shell.
“We’re” is collective for western civilization in general. American ideals, capitalism, etc all that is “we’re” when playing the self-blame game.
Same as when Obama goes around apologizing for things that leave us scratching our heads as to his references.
Spirit of 1776 on December 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
It’s a shame that someone who speaks so strongly to younger voters about the concepts of limited government and the strength of the free market can still be so idiotic on foreign policy. I can put up with his isolationism but this moral relativism is going too far.
Caiwyn on December 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Sanity save us from this doofus!
daesleeper on December 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
and my POS congressman harry mitchell is co-sponsoring legislation to limit pay increases with this maroon.
DrW on December 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
They are terrorists because it works…and their religious orientation glorifies it.
They are against us because we are. Just because we are. Simply because we exist, and in their minds, in their belief system, anyone who is not of them is an enemy to be subjugated by the sword. They’ve been at this for a number of centuries, long before there was even a United States.
Ron Paul is off his meds again.
coldwarrior on December 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Of course our enemies blame us for their hatred of us. They blame us for everything because they can’t take responsibility for themselves.
No matter what we do, they’ll blame us. They hate us.
JohnJ on December 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Oh I forgot to put the financial component. We are occupiers because money flows from America to Israel and vice versa. Did I say money? I meant blood money, natch.
Spirit of 1776 on December 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM
There is some weird youtube video about hotair which showcases that post you wrote that you linked to in the first sentence of this post. It’s by some ron paul fan who thinks that this website is an anti-ron paul propaganda website run by neocons. I can’t remember how I found it but it was pretty funny. The best part was his suspicions towards the commenters and how there was no way to register.
Joe Caps on December 29, 2009 at 10:05 PM
This is why he can never get traction on anything…He is sort of an idiot savant…he is really good on the Constitution and money and is an idiot on all issues offshore.
JIMV on December 29, 2009 at 10:05 PM
WOW
therightscoop on December 29, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Who’s the corpse in the suspenders…?
Never mind, nuke them from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.
Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2009 at 10:06 PM
lol heres the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZHgs3nQtxM
Joe Caps on December 29, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Barry gives Ron a solid B+ for this clueless bag of blather.
anXdem on December 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Why is it at times I am more embarrassed by these idiots in Washington DC than I am watching “Jersey Shore”?
milwife88 on December 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Hi. My name is Ron. I want to never be taken seriously.
thirteen28 on December 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Ah, crazy Uncle Ron comes down from the attic once again.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM
oh actually that was a QOTD in the video. whoops.
Joe Caps on December 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Git out of Youmen Now!!!
And that whole personal hygiene thing pisses em off too.
BigWyo on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Ron Paul is truly in La La Land! Where does he come up with this stuff?
GFW on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Ugh. I can’t stand Ron Paul. God help us if the GOP ever went the way of isolationism.
terryannonline on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
I’ve never known, nor cared to know a thing about this guy. I only hear about him in roundabout ways. AP has confirmed my suspicions about him.
ted c on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
This is the reason i could NEVER support Paul for any office.You listen to him talk about spending the constitution and other conservative thing and he sounds good.Then he goes and jumps off the cliff with this kind of nonsense or calls Israel a terrorist nation.Sometimes i think half of his brain is on drugs.
thmcbb on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
US OUT OF YEMEN! STOP THE OCCUPATION OF NIGERIA!
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Unfortunately, for too many of those younger voters the greater attraction is his idiotic foreign policy.
aikidoka on December 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM
neocon/republican agenda control site with good navigation.
LMAO! war mongering religious zealots! Why must you like a clean and easily navigable blog???
daesleeper on December 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Yep, it’s all our fault. Poor third-worlders never have any freedom of will, free choice, or willpower of their own. They aren’t capable of making decisions or choices; they’re not capable of intelligent thought, just reactions.
So don’t blame them, blame us.
Oh, and this concept is totally not racist; all the other people of the world are just incapable of rational thought or independent action… you can’t blame them for it.
gekkobear on December 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I don’t think calling Paul a “useful idiot” is very fair at all.
He’s not that useful.
29Victor on December 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM
For the love of God would the people of Lake Jackson and elsewhere PLEASE vote this guy out in primary! I’m sick of his sh*t!
NathanG on December 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Shut up Ron. Just SHUT UP!
Stick to domestic issues which you are reasonable coherent on and pretend the outside world doesn’t exist like a good little isolationist fool.
Yakko77 on December 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM
True. Wait. Did you just admit you watch Jersey Shore?!
conservative pilgrim on December 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM
They’re terrorists because they’re acting on the prime Islam Jihadi directive:”convert or die”.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Occupier of Nigeria? I totally didn’t hear about that.
Or is he blaming the JOOOOOOOSSSSSS for living in Israel? Ugh.
mjk on December 29, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Help us Obi-Paul, you are only hope!
/puke
Lance Murdock on December 29, 2009 at 10:13 PM
That guy’s clearly never met our Ron Paul fan commenters. Or a burger he didn’t immediately consume.
Also, I like this:
Yeah, if this place is about anything, it’s about pushing a pro-fed, pro-spending, pro-big government agenda.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM
What a maroon!
bernzright777 on December 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM
NO WAR FOR SAND!
Go ahead, Kentucky. Nominate Rand Paul for Senate. I dare you.
SouthernGent on December 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM
This is the same idiot who wants to an incompetent Fed audited by an even more incompetent Congress. If there really is an NWO who is fully stocked with thermite paint, RP is probably the leader.
JCred on December 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM
He and his followers think progress ended in 1776 and the world hasn’t changed since.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Ron Paul’s place is the House where spending bills originate and it has very little, almost none, involvement with foreign policy. The news channels invite this guy one because they know they are going to get this comical stuff when foreign policy is discussed.
WashJeff on December 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM
If it’s all our fault no matter what we do, then I say let’s go for it.
Saudi Arabia can’t defend itself militarily from a stiff breeze. We could annihilate its military in an afternoon, level Mecca and Medina, and then drain their oil.
But of course we don’t do that, even though nobody could stop us from doing it if we felt like it.
Because that’s not who we are.
Abelard on December 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM
enough said….next topic
cmsinaz on December 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM
You are probably right, sadly. But maybe there’s a silver lining… they come for the idiotic foreign policy but stay for the decent small-government message? As stupid as this is, I still don’t hate the guy completely.
Caiwyn on December 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I don’t even understand the isolationist line of logic. We’ll lock ourselves up and the crazed, religion-driven Islamists will suddenly drop their mission to kill all of the infidels and forget about the heaven they’ve been promised?
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Funny stuff. I especially liked the visuals.
anXdem on December 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Succinct. Correct. Thoughtful.
Once again, cw, you nailed it.
massrighty on December 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Unlike his Father, Rand Paul is sane and is pretty hawkish. I joined the RP so I can vote for him the the KY primary. He is head and shoulders above the RINO turds wanting to replace Jim Bunning.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I find it kinda of funny…
That someone who enjoys all of the luxuries of the United States of America, can not, for one second, understand the basic threat to our civilization.
Imagine a world, where billions of people are ruled by tyrants, who use religion as a means of oppression, where an education past the second grade is a luxury, where ‘state run media’ really takes on a new name, political corruption and graft would make Bill Clinton and Obowma blush, where your food, your house, and your very life is dependent on following the orders of the day, and to blame everything on the ‘devil’ for your misery…
And that ‘devil’ is never those in power that cause your suffering, it is always a finger point away to the west, to the United States, regardless of the Billions in dollars of aid we provide.
A never ending supply of soldiers for your army…
And Ron Paul blames us.
Nice.
Seven Percent Solution on December 29, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Comments like these ARE THE EXACT REASON why he is not taken seriously in any issue – including those where he actually knows his stuff and isnt a blathering idiot.
The scary thing is that almost every Paul supporter will agree with him on this.
nagee76 on December 29, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Obama doesn’t have the only cult.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:20 PM
MB4 on December 29, 2009 at 10:20 PM
blind squirrel, broken watch, lunatic asylum…Paul is an elected cliché.
daesleeper on December 29, 2009 at 10:21 PM
So, we fell into bin-Laden’s trap…by fighting back.
What would Paul have us do, nothing?
JetBoy on December 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM
If we bring all the troops home from every where in the world noone will ever try to harm us./ Ron Paul
What an idiot he is.
Brat4life on December 29, 2009 at 10:23 PM
He’s a bit more hawkish than his father, openly saying he’d still vote for a war in Afghanistan and insisting the executive should have authority to act without Congressional approval to stop or respond to an attack.
But he still opposes the war in Iraq and other major aspects of national security policy.
I just don’t want to wake up in 2010 and find we’ve elected a bunch of anti-war, isolationist Republicans who are good on economic policy and little else. That would be disaster for the country.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Normally, anyone making a jackass statement like the one made here about us being occupiers would be offered a nice piping hot cup of SHUT THE HELL UP!
But we are talking Ron Paul here, so instead of a cup, I’m offering Paul the whole damned pot!
pilamaye on December 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
How is it that Ron Paul can be so great on some issues and a complete freakin’ IDIOT on others?
Don’t know what’s worse in the GOP. Rino Graham types or loony Paul types.
Why can’t we have a party made up of all this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn22YHNYs3s&feature=player_embedded
katy on December 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Paul’s problem with foreign policy could have been solved if he had taken a right at Albuquerque. Or was that a left? Hmmm?
BierManVA on December 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
You’re half right, Mr.Paul.
We are indeed ‘occupiers’ in that we’re occupying their home turf with armed soldiers. “Because you’re on our land” is nearly always a legitimate reason to fight back – although blowing up innocent civilians isn’t the way to do it. If America were invaded and occupied by a foreign power, I’d be proud as punch to see my fellow citizens giving the enemy blood and steel every day of the week.
But the spirit of your speech suggests that if we packed up and went home, the problem would soon go away by itself. Sadly…it won’t. There are wars we could have kept out of, but this is not going to be one of them.
Dark-Star on December 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
FIFY
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM
He actually makes a lot of sense here if you actually watch the clip. What’s the deal with them hating us because we kill and torture their people. This is what I’ve been saying for some time now.
The Dean on December 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM
What exactly makes him useful? Aside from some common sense domestic policies, he’s as useful as tits on a boar.
NTropy on December 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Ron Paul is the crazy uncle you always warn your boyfriend/girlfriend about in the car as you’re driving to your parents’ home for Thanksgiving dinner, since he/she is going to meet your family for the first time.
“Sweetie, for the most part Uncle Ron is pretty cool and lucid, but after a couple of belts of scotch, just stay clear of certain topics. And don’t get too close to him and turn your back or he’ll pinch your ass.”
Intrepid on December 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I feel ya.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Too bad. The man is wonderful on domestic and monetary matters. I guess Jim Demint still holds the “closest thing to a perfect politician” trophy.
kc8ukw on December 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM
On an aside, this is why Larry King is useless as a host.
AmericanDad on December 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Bad as Obama
thebrokenrattle on December 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Nonsense. He’s one of a handful who has an ounce of sense on fiscal matters. The problem is that everybody is too busy laughing at the times he goes off the rails to listen to the times he says something reasonable.
Dark-Star on December 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM
That doesn’t do much to explain 9/11. Besides far more muslims are killed by their fellow muslims than by us.
MB4 on December 29, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I am sure you would have been a great adviser to Thomas Jefferson when he went after the Barbary Pirates.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:28 PM
And then start lecturing you on the fed and gold standard while shouting “US out of New York!”.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Plus, word on the talk show guest street is that he farts like he’s sucking down bean lattes every second of the day.
Intrepid on December 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I have to believe you. I hope you are correct.
SouthernGent on December 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Considering he’s our Ralph Nader in future elections, the kookier and krazier the better.
Marcus on December 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works.
- Confucius
MB4 on December 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Thanks for the link – hillarious!
Whoever is narrating asks these questions:
1. Who are these people who have got in?
2. What makes them so special?
3. And why would you want to keep your site from adding more people?
I would answer in this way:
1a. We are people who have either been here since the early days of the site, or who waited patiently for an enrollement.
1b. And, we can form gramatically correct sentences.
2. See number 1a, above.
3. Trolls.
massrighty on December 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
They hate us because the concept and success of American freedom threatens their world view. A view dominated by death, hate, prejudice, misogyny, and brutality. Free will is in direct competition for mens souls and they cannot compete with an educated citizenry.
IE: Look at Iran.
csdeven on December 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
So do I.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Which explains why they’ve been attacking us for decades now, long before the Bush Administration and its tactics that you decry.
They hate us because they’re driven by a religious fervor that says they must kill the infidels and in return they’ll reside in heaven with all of their desires.
I doubt people who regularly blow up pregnant women much care that we gave Ahmed a dunk in the tub back in 2003. They’re driven by much more than that.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Of course, probably half the people on the plane he was trying to blow up think we shouldn’t, and I bet none of them have done any killing or torturing personally.
kc8ukw on December 29, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Yep, the crazy uncle who also happens to be a great cook. But no matter how good the food, he is still crazy.
Bishop on December 29, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
Don’t you have a ‘scream’ to go with the name?
YYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
Lanceman on December 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Wish Huckabee would have said it.
Marcus on December 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Yes, because the times he says something reasonable are a needle, in a haystack the size of the entire Southwestern US.
massrighty on December 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM
When Sheila Jackson seems to be the voice of reason, you know you are in deep trouble.
d1carter on December 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Oh, and our waterboarding doesn’t explain why jihadists regularly murder fellow Muslims living in Arab lands.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Geez, not this kook again.
Purple Fury on December 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
lol
cmsinaz on December 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
We’re poised to make some modest gains because the fundraising money is coming in, my friend.
I think fiscal conservatives will be tempted to support mainline Republican candidates, but they have to realize that if we start any more wars by bombing Iran or Syria or whoever, there won’t be very much conservatism with neo-conservative Republicans in office. Plus they don’t care about fis-con anyway as evidenced by Bush. Iran would be ten times as disastrous as the Iraq quagmire if we invaded. Laugh at our numbers now, but we are growing and I like the enthusiasm coming from the younger patriots.
The Dean on December 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
As some have said on here before, every once in a while a blind nut finds a squirrel.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Explain terrorism in the time of Carter, to prove your premise.
Carter did everything to accomodate Muslim Extremists except convert.
massrighty on December 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM
And something tells me that we’ve never hacked off the head of one of theirs with his arms tied behind them.
Of course, they were all wearing masks.
Lanceman on December 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Well sure that and the whole “We will regain Al-Andalus, you will all convert to Islam, Sharia law will rule the Earth.” But hey, no problem.
Bishop on December 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I agree with Dr. No on everything but foreign policy.
RWLA on December 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I’m a big fan of Rand Paul. He supports the war and thinks America is a presence of good for the world, unlike his father. I urge readers to look up Rand Paul’s positions and they’ll find he is as good a conservative as DeMint and Rubio.
cubachi on December 29, 2009 at 10:36 PM
We have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan but none of these homicidal terrorists are Iraqi or Afghan. We have not military presence in Nigeria or Yemen, which is where the newest crop of Achmeds seem to sprout from. Please Paultards ‘splain it to me?
thomasaur on December 29, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Yeah, young a stupid and easily lead, or is that just Obama’s voters?
Biggest argument against the LP. Even their savior Ron Paul won’t dare have that name attached to him.
RobertInLexington on December 29, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Yeah, beware of your younger patriots. They’re easily swayed and many of them aren’t as strong of allies as you’d think. Many are drawn to Paul’s vocal isolationism — not his economic theory.
I happen to know one such individual through Facebook. He finds no irony in praising Ron Paul one second and attacking Republicans for obstructing national health care in the next. An anecdote, but still…
Oh, and I’ll believe you’re about to become a major political force when I see it. You’ll find that many of the donors to Paul’s campaign are Republicans of all walks who are just desperate to hold onto the seat.
amerpundit on December 29, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Ron Paul named man of the year
MB4 on December 29, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Ron Paul is a fool.
Jdripper on December 29, 2009 at 10:37 PM
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