Putin to Obama: Thanks for those missile-defense concessions but we’re going ahead with new weapons

posted at 6:02 pm on December 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

And so a question asked three months ago — what are we getting from Russia in return for selling out Poland on long-range missile defense? — finally has an answer. We’re getting more aggression. Of course.

He hit the reset button on the reset button.

In a notable toughening of rhetoric, Mr Putin insisted his country would develop new “offensive” weapons systems before it considered cutting nuclear warheads. He said the new weapons were necessary to prevent America’s leaders from thinking they can “do whatever they want”…

Two months later, [Obama] dismayed US allies in Europe by ditching Bush-era plans to set up a missile defence shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, which were previously behind the Iron Curtain.

Moscow had been bitterly opposed to those plans and at first welcomed Washington’s decision.

But the olive branch has yielded little if anything in return. Instead, Moscow has used Mr Obama’s intention to instead build a “smarter, stronger and swifter” system involving both sea-based and land-based mobile interceptors as a justification for continued tensions.

They were using it as a justification practically from the day the olive branch was waved. Back in September, while Putin was busy gladhanding Obama over how “correct and brave” he was to pull long-range interceptors out of Poland and the Czech Republic, Russia’s NATO envoy was already warning that that simply wouldn’t do at all. Now they’re trying to lean on The One again ahead of new negotiations with the U.S. on the now-lapsed Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty to see if we’ll agree to add a clause about limiting the size of our worldwide missile-defense shield. Which, of course, is no threat to Russia for the long foreseeable future: See the quote near the end of Closing Velocity’s post about how meager our shield is right now compared to Russia’s immense nuclear arsenal. It’s a pure power play by Putin to see if Obama will cave again, especially with the Iran standoff coming to a head and Russia’s vote for sanctions needed at the UN.

Given the heat The One took from hawks after he traded the long-range shield in Poland for a short-range one, there’s no way he can give in again, so our relations with Russia are about to take the same frosty turn as our relations with Iran. Oh well. Exit quotation from Danger Room: “During the Cuban Missile Crisis, President John F. Kennedy helped defuse the situation by secretly offering to dismantle Jupiter missiles stationed in Turkey. He was giving away a chip that was worth nothing: The missiles were already considered obsolete. In this case, the administration gave something away before the bargaining really started.”

Update: A friend who knows what he’s talking about when it comes to this topic e-mails with a reminder that Putin might not be purely posturing. Why not? Because Russia’s latest missile innovation has been a colossal failure thus far. Which isn’t to say that they can’t easily evade our missile shield at the moment, but the pace of our defensive progress may well outstrip the pace of their offensive advancements. Bad news for Moscow long-term.


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I get the feeling this whole episode is not going to end well.

tarpon

I’ve had that feeling since January…

IntheNet on December 29, 2009 at 8:06 PM

And as was stated, our missile defense is useless against a swarm of hundreds of Russian missiles, but quite effective against a handful of rogue threats. Our system is designed to defeat a limited threat or an accidental launch, not going toe-to-toe in nuclear combat with the Rooskies.

Still pointless, IMO.

Nations like Iran and North Korea will just modify their bombs to be placed in suitcases or on ships and send them right under the noses of our useless and expensive missile defense systems.

Mike Honcho on December 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM

When you have a narcissistic eunuch in the White House, the whole world knows it. The smell of weakness will have the dictator jackals foaming at the mouth. This could get very, very serious.

Ariel Durant said, ” A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within.” Barry Soetero is working on it.

volsense on December 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Naturally, we’re not going to hear a syllable about this in the mainstream media. This gutless little pantywaist wussy we have in the White House is castrating this country and turning us into a laughingstock, which, of course, means that his agenda is moving forward exactly as planned.

Dopenstrange on December 29, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Totally predictable.

When facing a weaker opponent, move to strengthen your ability to control the board.

coldwarrior on December 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Putin calls Obama Erkel.

thomasaur on December 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM

When in the world of would be hawks it’s well to sound like one yourself. Nobody out there really knows if your serious or not because they don’t dare test the waters either. That’s where O seems to have made his mistake. He made it clear from the start that he’s a talker not a doer. So they’ve all got his number and I shrink thinking about any means he might have to use to overcome this image.

jeanie on December 29, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Great post, jeanie. Your style is clear and to the point.

volsense on December 29, 2009 at 8:43 PM

BetseyRoss on December 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Hell, I bet us HA chicks could wop his a$$$!

lovingmyUSA on December 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM

I get the feeling this whole episode is not going to end well.

tarpon

I’ve had that feeling since January…

IntheNet on December 29, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Three more years yet.

I’ll just leave you to ponder that happy thought.

Ugh.

Yakko77 on December 29, 2009 at 9:09 PM

” A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within.” Barry Soetero is working on it.

volsense on December 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Yes, but be fair to the man … he’s far from being the first or only one working on it, even in the USA. Every country with a predominantly occidental culture has a full set useful idiots.

What really bugs me is that the useful idiots, like the Muslims, are all incapable of creating functioning societies and can only destroy our societies because we let them make use of resources that they could not possibly have acquired, created or maintained for themselves. Left to themselves the contemporary liberals and Muslims alike would rapidly degenerate into primitive, barbaric clans barely able to keep themselves alive let alone bother anybody else.

So, who really are the fools?

YiZhangZhe on December 29, 2009 at 9:18 PM

What planet are you on if you think Russia will nuke America? Incredible!

RufusW on December 29, 2009 at 9:43 PM

RufusW on December 29, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Wasn’t all that long ago when that was the very core of Russia’s national security policy.

But today? Might not even have to open the doors of their silos. Just the mere threat of doing so can easily get them what they desire. Let’s see. Georgia brought back into the Russian fold. This Administration may be willing to let that happen as Russian troops move into Tblisi, because of our inability to prevent the Russians from ramping up their strategic rocket forces. The Baltic states being forced to drop out of NATO? Plausible, with that little threat of escalating to ungodly proportions as a new generation of Russian ICBM’s comes on line.

Elections have consequences. If I were a Pole, or Czech, Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian or Georgian, I have serious night sweats right about now knowing full well that if the stuff hits the fan, our present Administration would do nothing to prevent it.

coldwarrior on December 29, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Still pointless, IMO.

Nations like Iran and North Korea will just modify their bombs to be placed in suitcases or on ships and send them right under the noses of our useless and expensive missile defense systems.

Mike Honcho on December 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM

The two tactics (ballistic missile & suitcase bomb) are not mutually exclusive. You may sleep well blithefully dismissing one, but most people don’t.

Cuffy Meigs on December 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM

RufusW on December 29, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Might wish to check this out. Putin has no qualms at all about using his nuclear arsenal.

coldwarrior on December 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Hell, I bet us HA chicks could wop his a$$$!

lovingmyUSA on December 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Let’s roll!

BetseyRoss on December 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM

And here’s our missile defense system being “useless” — pulverizing a highly toxic, crippled satellite before it landed on an orphanage or ACORN office.

Cuffy Meigs on December 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Hell, I bet us HA chicks could wop his a$$$!

lovingmyUSA on December 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Let’s roll!

BetseyRoss on December 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Grrrr. Sign me up, too.

tigerlily on December 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Is it so very, very wrong to hope that Putin lands a big one on Hopeychangey’s smooth face?
If it makes you happy, it can’t be so bad, eh Libs (and Shania Twain fans? Or is it Sheryl Crow…damn, must Google before drinking….

Fortunata on December 29, 2009 at 11:25 PM

I’m starting to feel sorry for him because he’s failing so miserably, when he thought he would be king of the universe. And, obama’s all about the change! Let’s hope he changes. Quickly.

Key West Reader on December 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Obama is not failing, if by failing you mean killing our nation. No, he is a brilliant success and a B+ doesn’t begin to give him credit for the nightmares just ahead.

Very cleverly, on Christmas Day evening, I think, it was announced that Fannie and Freddie would have access to UNLIMITED FUNDS from now on. I heard on Glenn Beck’s panel today that Fannie & Freddie now or shortly will own the vast majority of mortgages in the US.

This means that obama has also taken over the housing market. Obey him or take your family and hit the streets. Obama owns your home now.

Let’s add that to the auto, banking and health industries. In less than a year, we HAVE ALL BUT LOST the USA.

Does anyone seriously think that we can wait until 2012, or even 2010?

It sickens me to say this, but “B+ ‘Bama” and his handlers have made us all look incompetent as they methodically and exepertly take over the nation in order to destroy it.

We need to make the case now and loud and strong for impeachment. It doesn’t matter if the House is communist, we need THE PEOPLE calling for it. We can’t keep being shoved back on our heels as we play defense and we can’t keep crying and writing articles about every filthy offense that he commits daily. We must have only one tune and millions of us must sing at the top of our lungs until the tyrant crumbles; there should be millions of us marching on the White House with ONE and ONLY ONE sign, chant and purpose: impeach, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!!!!

tigerlily on December 29, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Obama

lol.

elduende on December 30, 2009 at 1:09 AM

More great results from “Smart Diplomacy”

Russia to work on new nuclear missiles

Vladimir Putin threatens Barack Obama’s nuclear stockpile cuts

Putin Urges US To Share Missile Defense Data

Vladimir Putin calls for more weapons to stop America doing ‘whatever it wants’

Does Office Max have any more of those stupid reset buttons left?

jjrakman on December 30, 2009 at 1:43 AM

More great results from “Smart Diplomacy”

Russia to work on new nuclear missiles

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BN10O20091224

Vladimir Putin threatens Barack Obama’s nuclear stockpile cuts

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6907939/Vladimir-Putin-threatens-Barack-Obamas-nuclear-stockpile-cuts.html

Putin Urges US To Share Missile Defense Data

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/29/ap/world/main6032803.shtml

Vladimir Putin calls for more weapons to stop America doing ‘whatever it wants’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6970921.ece

Does Office Max have any more of those stupid reset buttons left?

jjrakman on December 30, 2009 at 1:45 AM

Hell, I bet us HA chicks could wop his a$$$!

lovingmyUSA on December 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Let’s roll!

BetseyRoss on December 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Grrrr. Sign me up, too.

tigerlily on December 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I can just see Obambi hiding behind Michelle’s awful orange dress…If she thinks pushing up the sleeves on that sweater will save her…

lovingmyUSA on December 30, 2009 at 3:01 AM

Putin in many ways is like Obama. They both have nothing to show to their people in term of real success in politics and economy. So while Obama is showing everybody his Nobel Peace Prize Putin has to show his people that Russia can still kick butts. This is why he again blackmails Ukraine and Poland over gas supplies and this is why he talks about new nuclear missiles. He hopes that Russians won’t see the state their country is in.

ktrelski on December 30, 2009 at 7:47 AM

This sounds serious maybe once our President returns from yet another vacation he can focus on this. He can do explain to the Poles how insulation is sexy and constructing bomb shelters a civic duty. So many communities to organize so little time!

shov74 on December 30, 2009 at 7:55 AM

As the polls drop, Russia can see they may have just 3 year window of opportunity, they have to move and move fast…you don’t think they understand the polls.
If they thought Obama was going to be around for another 4 years, they would continue to jerk his chain…now they have to act.

right2bright on December 30, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Putin in many ways is like Obama
ktrelski on December 30, 2009 at 7:47 AM

That’s a big mistake…Putin is a leader, he makes decisions, and the decision are to strengthen his military. He understands that the political is just a nail that holds things together, the military is the hammer that drives the nail.
He is 180 degrees from Obama, while Obama is fiddling, Putin is making decisions.

right2bright on December 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

damn, must Google before drinking….

Fortunata on December 29, 2009 at 11:25 PM

I often find it helpful to do both, but perhaps that isn’t the kind of help you need!!!

runawayyyy on December 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Exit quotation from Danger Room: “During the Cuban Missile Crisis, President John F. Kennedy helped defuse the situation by secretly offering to dismantle Jupiter missiles stationed in Turkey. He was giving away a chip that was worth nothing: The missiles were already considered obsolete

BY WHO???

That is pure BS. Our current nuclear missiles and infrastructure are 30+yrs old (the newer stuff). I got money that Danger Room (left leaning defense tech sight) would not call the current system obsolete and in need of replacement.

Kennedy gave up our EXISTING medium range missiles in Turkey making billions of US paid for infrastructure worthless overnight in return for the Soviets giving up what could have been. The Turkey missile bases and missiles were a game changer that was exiting not some possibility like the Soviet Cuba bases would/could have been. Turkey’s short distance and near no warning strike times was a exiting major US strategic advantage Kennedy gave away.

Kennedy gave a major US advantage for the Soviets not creating at huge cost and risk something to match that advantage. The Soviets pulled a coup with what we now know was a bluff the whole time and pansy Kennedy just like our current pansy the “O” was dangerously nieve and inept in the primary presidential duty of foreign policy.

Exit question: if the missiles were really just obsolete and the bases worthless relecs and Kennedy pulled a coup on the Soviets with, why is it that until very recently that aspect of the deal was so suppressed until recent history?

C-Low on December 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM

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