Video: Is it time for airport security to start profiling?

posted at 9:28 pm on December 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

I assume they mean racial profiling — if they mean religious, how do you prove that a suspected jihadi is Muslim when he says he’s Christian? — but if so, this is a singularly bad case for that argument. For one thing, one of the likely reasons AQ chose Abdulmutallab for the mission is because he doesn’t fit the typical Arab/Pakistani racial profile. For another, the whole point this incident is that we didn’t need to profile him: As with Nidal Hasan, there were endless red flags pointing to his jihadist tendencies. Tapper rattled off a bunch of them tonight on ABC News; add in the fact that Abdulmutallab was granted a visa by AQ’s new favorite hot spot, a.k.a. Yemen, sometime over the summer and there’s no way he should have gotten on the plane, whether white, black, Arab, Asian, or what have you.

Surprised to find AC an opponent of the whole-body image scanning too. None of us want a TSA guard checking out our junk, but if it’s between that and Undibombers, oh well. Exit question: The Democrat here has never heard anyone describe Andrew Sullivan as liberal? When was the last time he read Sullivan? 2001?

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I dunno…

Many images come to mind that trigger aggressive responses of a religious nature. Certain caricatures fer instance…

ericdijon on December 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM

For every citizen of every middle eastern country and every country known to have aided or abetted or housed terrorists: yes it is time to screen these people more thoroughly. Don’t like it? Don’t fly.

Dave Rywall on December 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I doubt we’ll start profiling based on ethnic or religious reasons. I do hope we’ll do a much better job of identifying those on the No Fly list, as well as give more scrutiny to people buying one way tickets. THAT should have been the real tip off for this Nigerian guy. Who buys a one way ticket to DETROIT? From Detroit, yes. To Detroit…I don’t think so.

Red State State of Mind on December 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Little know fact: “Abdulmutallab” in Nigerian for “Bill Ayers”

Branch Rickey on December 28, 2009 at 9:36 PM

My step-dad said that he\’d profile anyone with a funny name. Keep in mind this is coming from a guy whose step-daughter has and African surname and whose biological daughters have Arabic given names. He said that if he didn\’t know us, he\’d profile the hell out of us. lol

baldilocks on December 28, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Exit question: The Democrat here has never heard anyone describe Andrew Sullivan as liberal?

Any relation to the Democrat who had never heard of Bush/Hitler comparisons?

malclave on December 28, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Negative profile. Reduce the possibles to watch out for.

I wouldn’t be going after the Quakers, for example.

OldEnglish on December 28, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Israel figured this out long ago. The problem is that our government won’t do what’s necessary to prevent air terror.

Bugler on December 28, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Hey Hot Air profiled me and added those back slashes!

Seriously, those were not there when I sent the comment.

baldilocks on December 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

When Mullen thinks that “losing diversity” would be just as tragic as 14 people being shot to death by a Muslim in the US army; I can’t see the Ultra-PC powers that be in this country doing anything as intelligent as profiling and ceasing with harassing my 70 year old mother when she flies.

Branch Rickey on December 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

As a menacing-looking Irishman I’ve been profiled constantly since 9/11. Time to start having a look at the real bad guys.

JammieWearingFool on December 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Exit question: The Democrat here has never heard anyone describe Andrew Sullivan as liberal? When was the last time
he read Sullivan? 2001?

Like most democrats, he lives with his head up his rear end.

And yes, if I have to see one more granny in a wheelchair being wanded, I’m going to scream.
It is time for political correctness to be put where it belongs….down the toilet. Flush please.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM

When trying to be “more PC than thou” is placing travelers’ lives at risk then it is way past time to start profiling and people’s hurt feelings be damned. Talk to the Israelis, if we haven’t burned all our bridges with them yet.

ya2daup on December 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Profiling could also include length of time prior to ticket purchase, method of payment, among other indicators. Exercising good judgment doesn’t have to mean focusing only on racial characteristics. The problem is, we’re so afraid of offending Muslims, as Coulter pointed out, that we unnecessarily punish regular Americans.

anXdem on December 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Yeah, how do you profile ideology? A terrorist can be black, white, asian, middle eastern. And when you ask muslim terrorist if he`s a muslim, wouldn`t they say no? And how would you know if they`re lying?

Best to take off your shoes, go ahead with the body scan and look at behavior closely.

ThePrez on December 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

How will profiling help with flights originating overseas?

While extra scrutiny should be given to Middle East passport holders IMO, this will not work for domestic flights.

Finally, what are the proposals for stopping the butt bombers that are sure to come? Do dogs still detect those bombs? If they do not know, they (TSA) need to find out.

GnuBreed on December 28, 2009 at 9:41 PM

For every citizen of every middle eastern country and every country known to have aided or abetted or housed terrorists: yes it is time to screen these people more thoroughly. Don’t like it? Don’t fly.

Dave Rywall on December 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I go away for a week and this happens: Did Drywall get a lobotomy for Christmas or did his moose kick him in the head again?

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

If they’re willing to draw mohammy, they can skip the body scan.. This is, of course, in addition to actually checking passports and answering the phone at the embassy in Nigeria.

Ronnie on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Hey Hot Air profiled me and added those back slashes!

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baldilocks on December 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

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Intrepid on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I fly to Brazil all the time. The first three or four times I went through customs they had a separate line for Americans (not an express one – we had to be fingerprinted). Didn’t bother me. I admired their “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” attitude.

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

We should have started profiling in 2001.
Hey-if the shoe fits…

annoyinglittletwerp on December 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I’ve been through the screeners that blow air (I think to detect suspicious particles). Aren’t they suppose to be exactly for this reason?

txag92 on December 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM

If they’re willing to draw mohammy, they can skip the body scan..
Ronnie on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Heh, I like that. If they start shaking, sweating and there`s a flash of anger in their eyes, throw `em on the floor!

ThePrez on December 28, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Is it time for airport security to start profiling?

Yes, instead of profiling us as they are right now. Governments don’t mind asking me for pat-downs or pissing my pants in my seat. I see no problem with profiling the source of the problem: Muslims. There is no other source. No flights for them unless their baggage is inspected and they undergo full body searches or hey! stay home.

Sounder on December 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

We can do a better job of running thorough checks. Even for slightly suspects. Consolidate all those lists.

Then we could have country of flight origin/ citizenship based scanning.

btw… wasn’t Obama supposed to be much more better and effective than GWB?

antisocial on December 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Is it time for airport security to start profiling?

How high a value does one places on American lives?

Answer that question and you have answered the first question.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:49 PM

I’m thinking that the Obama administration is willing to bet your life that profiling is not needed. If they were going to do it they would bring in the Israelies for training TSA. But they don’t really like them Jews much.

MikeA on December 28, 2009 at 9:51 PM

How about all of the above, profile and technology, why not use every tool available and perfect them as we move forward.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 9:51 PM

the whole point this incident is that we didn’t need to profile him

No, the whole point of this “incident” is that we are governed by morons and psychopaths.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Profile away, I say.

Hell, I’m pre-profiled if I want to DONATE BLOOD because I’m a MSM (aka, a sexually active gay) and they won’t even take my blood to test it just because of that. Never mind I’m HIV- but also O-.

So I assist in blood drives in other administrative/volunteer capacities.

So-called “Liberals” and their double-speak can really go and find a fire (and then go… well, you know the rest). Profile for air travel. Do more stringent searches. Do. what. you. gotta. do.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM

The first three or four times I went through customs they had a separate line for Americans (not an express one – we had to be fingerprinted). Didn’t bother me. I admired their “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” attitude.

Marcus on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

It’s perfectly acceptable for other countries to profile and even segregate Americans, but it’s unfair and intolerant for us to do it. Instead, we develop punitive rules that unfairly harass our own citizens.

anXdem on December 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Barny Fife would have used his bullet,…where were the Marshals?….2 million to caulk 7 homes in Texas!….where are the priorities?

Bluestate_Blues on December 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM

As a menacing-looking Irishman I’ve been profiled constantly since 9/11. Time to start having a look at the real bad guys.

JammieWearingFool on December 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM

I’m not Irish, but I was chosen for special treatment at an airport because I was wearing a “Lucky Charms” cap. Yeah, the guy told me he chose me because of my hat. Was I profiled??

p40tiger on December 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM

The O’Reilly Factor isn’t bad when O’Reilly isn’t on it.

Wolfen on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

For all the talk about cost/accuracy/privacy concerns with the whole-body image scanning and bomb sniffing machines, why not just get to training a whole lot more bomb sniffing dogs?

I realize they are already utilized, but why not at every checkpoint, or every boarding ramp to the planes. They can’t be, on the whole, more costly than investing in machines that require trained operators and also have to be maintained?

red winger on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

btw… wasn’t Obama supposed to be much more better and effective than GWB?

antisocial on December 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

No doubt~how much grief did GWB get when he received the info on 9/11, but did not stop reading, as to not scare the children……
And, Barack Hussein Obama? Couldn’t be bothered to end his golf game or his surfing. And, how about that Ja-No.
Epic Failure indeed.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

A hundred years from now, when a noted historian writes about the rise and fall of America, he will point to an impossible-to-understand concept called “political correctness” as a major contributor to American’s downfall.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM

baldilocks on December 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Stop trying to cover up your PHP addiction.

LibTired on December 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM

The O’Reilly Factor isn’t bad when O’Reilly isn’t on it.

Wolfen on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

+1000

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

A hundred years from now, when a noted historian writes about the rise and fall of America, he will point to an impossible-to-understand concept called “political correctness” as a major contributor to American’s downfall.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM

This. A billion times over.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

No, the whole point of this “incident” is that we are governed by morons and psychopaths.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I have to agree. We need to profile the way the Israelis do it and we need to arm our air crews.

dogsoldier on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

The O’Reilly Factor isn’t bad when O’Reilly isn’t on it.

Wolfen on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM
+1000

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

+ Infinity.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I go away for a week and this happens: Did Drywall get a lobotomy for Christmas or did his moose kick him in the head again?

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Probably got a warning after simplesimon got the chop or saw the writing on the wall.

And Americans would likely balk at Ben-Gurion level security even after this. And even if the majority accepted the new level of scrutiny, there would be an outcry from individuals and groups who felt they were singled out unfairly. The system would be mired down in lawsuits and protests.

The only way to make it work in America is to treat everyone exactly the same…like a terrorist.

Asher on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Profiling can include both religious and ethnic profiling as well as behavioral. It works for Israel. If a person self-identifies as Christian, the profiler asks a few questions to make sure that there is some knowledge of the faith. This is after the profiler has identified something else to make them suspicious. Say, like having a one-way ticket, no checked baggage, no passport, maybe looking a little loopy from drugs.

AZfederalist on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

And, how about that Ja-No. Epic Failure indeed.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I have to give this quote one more time from a former TSA worker on Hannity tongiht

“Janet Napolitano, could not lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at teh Mustang Ranch” TSA worker

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

As a menacing-looking Irishman I’ve been profiled constantly since 9/11. Time to start having a look at the real bad guys.

JammieWearingFool on December 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM

And as a person who is sometimes mistaken for being Iranian or from that region, I haven’t been profiled enough. I would have absolutely no problem with having to go through extra screenings because of the way I look.
Racial profiling is where it’s at; we can talk about the exceptions here and there, and the nuance, and the “what ifs” but reality and common sense all point to profiling.

CarolynM on December 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I have to agree. We need to profile the way the Israelis do it and we need to arm our air crews.

dogsoldier on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM

The seats next to emergency exits should be equipped with stun guns and the passengers in them should be willing and able to use them or be reassigned.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

ALLAHSOCALLEDPUNDIT WROTE:

one of the likely reasons AQ chose Abdulmutallab for the mission is because he doesn’t fit the typical Arab/Pakistani racial profile

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

AS IF WE COULDN’T TELL HE WAS MUSLIM WITH HIS NAME!?!?

JEEEEEEEZ.

AND I DO MEAN JESUS H EFFIN QPD CURRICE.

HOW DOES EL AL DO IT?

WE CAN DO IT TOO.

ALL WE NEED IS THE WILL.

PROFILE EVERY TICKET PURCHASER.

WITH THE DOD AND FBI AND CIA. INTERPOL. ETC.

YOU DON’T FLY WOTHOUT IT. PERIOD.

REQUIRE 2 WEEK ADVANCE POURCHASE.

AND INTERVIEW EVERY SINGLE PERSON BEFORE THEY BOARD.

reliapundit on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

+ Infinity.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I hope that you had a nice Christmas Stinger.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

The seats next to emergency exits should be equipped with stun guns and the passengers in them should be willing and able to use them or be reassigned.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

I love that thought, I was thinking much the same thing earlier.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Asher on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

I FLIPPIN’ MISSED SIMPLETON GETTING AXED? DANG!

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM

+ Infinity.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I hope that you had a nice Christmas Stinger.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

And to you, my saur friend!

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Won’t the next bomber have a round-trip ticket and some luggage?

GaltBlvnAtty on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

As a menacing-looking Irishman I’ve been profiled constantly since 9/11. Time to start having a look at the real bad guys.

JammieWearingFool on December 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM

This would be funny except that I’m an OEF veteran and current service member, and every time I show my military ID in a civilian airport I end up in the secondary inspection line with some stranger pawing through my possessions. If I forego the military ID and just show my driver’s license, I sail through. I’d rather drive my SUV across the country then put up with that horsesh!t.

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Just what the hell has all this ‘diversity’ and ‘political correctness’ got us, anyway?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Stop trying to cover up your PHP addiction.

LibTired on December 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM

:::snort:::

Oh that’s PHP

baldilocks on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I love that thought, I was thinking much the same thing earlier.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Sweet Jesus in Heaven, NO.

Heaven forbid some bratty kid with “time out” types of parents gets a hold one of one of those damn stun guns.

“No, Bobby! Bad! No, I said STOP SHOOTING THE NICE OLDER LADY! Come here and eat some animal cookies! I’ll even buy you a toy when we land if you behave! ^_^”

*shiver*

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

The seats next to emergency exits should be equipped with stun guns and the passengers in them should be willing and able to use them or be reassigned.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Or we could just put everyone to sleep for the duration of their journey, a la The Fifth Element.

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I was wearing a “Lucky Charms” cap. Yeah, the guy told me he chose me because of my hat. Was I profiled??

p40tiger on December 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Well, maybe the TSA had some advance warning that a would be terrorist would have plastic explosives taped to his Lucky Charms..?

Red State State of Mind on December 28, 2009 at 10:09 PM

“Janet Napolitano, could not lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at the Mustang Ranch” ~TSA worker

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

LOL.

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Is it time for airport security to start profiling?

That time passed several years ago on 9/11.

I assume they mean racial profiling — if they mean religious, how do you prove that a suspected jihadi is Muslim when he says he’s Christian?

And how do you tell if somebody is a Muslim based on their race? Such a conundrum, or is it? Israel seems to have figured out a way and I’d suggest we emulate their methods.

FloatingRock on December 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Heaven forbid some bratty kid with “time out” types of parents gets a hold one of one of those damn stun guns.

“No, Bobby! Bad! No, I said STOP SHOOTING THE NICE OLDER LADY! Come here and eat some animal cookies! I’ll even buy you a toy when we land if you behave! ^_^”

*shiver*

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Airplane cabins should also have walled off sections for all of the little Bobbys and their crying siblings.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Just what the hell has all this ‘diversity’ and ‘political correctness’ got us, anyway?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

An incompetent jackass in the White House and a bankrupt and corrupt welfare state. Yee haw.

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM

September 12 2001 was the time to begin profiling…now is it a given and everyone knows it yet being politically correct is more important.

JIMV on December 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Or we could just put everyone to sleep for the duration of their journey, a la The Fifth Element.

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Another great idea, brainstorming is good.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM

I FLIPPIN’ MISSED SIMPLETON GETTING AXED? DANG!

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM

I missed it too. I bet Ed could rasie some operational cash if he put up a pay to click topic and let us go back and read the last series of postings from SimpleS.

Red State State of Mind on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM

And how do you tell if somebody is a Muslim based on their race? Such a conundrum, or is it? Israel seems to have figured out a way and I’d suggest we emulate their methods.

I dunno, I guess a name like “Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab” — undeniably Muslim — would be a good starting point?

Kind of like how a name like Anne O’Hogan would be a pretty clear indicator of an Irish Catholic.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM

There should be remedies for that as well, be honest, everyone has flown has encountered that family and maybe considered those little kids mini terrorists. Who has not dreamed of being able to remedy them or their parents who look you right in the eye and say “We do not believe in telling little Bobby NO”. I am not saying anything permanent or anything but maybe a little juice would be good for them.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Surprised to find AC an opponent of the whole-body image scanning too.

Does anybody know if Israel’s El Al Airline (sp?) uses these scanners?

FloatingRock on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

How high a value does one places on American lives?

Answer that question and you have answered the first question.

MB4 on December 28, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Therein lies the question !

What is more important, our lives, safety and security , or risking being labelled “RACIST ” ??

cableguy615 on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Or we could just put everyone to sleep for the duration of their journey, a la The Fifth Element.

TinMan13 on December 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM

While we are putting the travellers to sleep, we need to be sure that TSA wakes up.

Red State State of Mind on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Airplane cabins should also have walled off sections for all of the little Bobbys and their crying siblings.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I would actively support a tax for once if it meant this.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

We look for weapons.
Israel looks for terrorists.
Huge difference. Much more effective. And, yes, if what that entails amounts to profiling, that’s what we have to do. Face it, no matter how delicately we approach the subject, someone is going to be grievously offended, no matter how our government chooses to screen airline passengers. But – I’m gonna be even more grievously offended if the next set of UnderBooms actually goes off and kills someone.

uncivilized on December 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Until someone named “Mike Jones” commits a terrorist attack, our current system is nothing but a farce.

johnmackeygreene on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Worrying about “profiling,” in my opinion, is like advocating more gun laws. There are plenty of laws that restrict gun-ownership to normal people, but they’re not enforced because some liberal might miss the opportunity to pat his favorite victim on her little nappy head. Paternalism of any sort is the most insidious and invidious form of racism.

Similarly, any normal person would have no difficulty identifying the security risks in an airport waiting room. If their criteria prove to be too restrictive, an apology should suffice for anyone claiming to be an adult.

I don’t mean an Official Government Certificate Of Groveling, either. What should be enough is a simple “Hey, no harm, no foul. Next?”

warbaby on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 PM

We do not believe in telling little Bobby NO”. I am not saying anything permanent or anything but maybe a little juice would be good for them.

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM

I’ve been known to volunteer my services to these inept parents.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Won’t the next bomber have a round-trip ticket and some luggage?

GaltBlvnAtty on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

That’s an excellent question, and you’d think so, wouldn’t you? Except that the 9/11 hijackers had one-way tickets and no checked luggage, richard reid was traveling with no luggage and a one-way ticket, this guy was traveling with no checked luggage and a one-way ticket. Also, I believe all of these terrorists paid cash for their tickets — another flag. [too lazy to look it up, if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me] Sooo, what can we learn from this?
1) Jihadists are cheap and don’t like spending money for something they won’t use, like a round-trip ticket.
2) Jihadists are lazy, they don’t like checking luggage when they don’t need it.
3) Jihadists have the mindset that infidels are stupid and won’t figure these patterns out. After all, we are just apes and pigs.
4) Since we haven’t seemed to identify these patterns and exploit them, jihadists might have a point with #3.

AZfederalist on December 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Simple solution: If you refuse to eat a bacon/lettuce/tomatoe sandwich before boarding a plane you can’t board the plane.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Words mean things, which the libs understand at their core. That’s why they throw out the word “profiling”, implying an active, malicious discrimination against someone for something that has to do with things they had no control over — their color, race, poverty, cultural upbringing, etc.

At the same time, if there was a white guy suspected of raping or killing a woman or her children, they would understand why the police wouldn’t be searching for black or Hispanic males who might have been in the area at the time. Nor would we.

That’s not profiling, but smart police work.

So, what’s different here? Is it that the hatred of your country and its protectors runs so deep that you don’t care what brings it down? Just a question, Obama.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Airplane cabins should also have walled off sections for all of the little Bobbys and their crying siblings parents.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM

FIFY

warbaby on December 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Lets do and say we didn’t.

Speakup on December 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Plastic covered seats….shackled to the chairs. Can’t get up, can’t scratch your nose–if you have to relieve yourself, just go…(plastic covered seats and floor). Problem solved.

p40tiger on December 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I said this in another thread, and I’ll say it again: this is why Amtrak is my venue of choice for regional travel. <3

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Simple solution: If you refuse to eat a bacon/lettuce/tomatoe sandwich before boarding a plane you can’t board the plane.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM

.

Works for me! Now, can you bend your considerable talents at simple solutions towards the whiny kids and parents solution?

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM

The liberal idea that profiling is, wrong, bad, evil is simply insane.

Every city in the United States engages in profiling every single day, profiling that is done, and suported by liberals.

Here is the scenario…. during the night a man is beaten to death, and the corner of main street, and main avenue. He is beaten beyond recognition, with multiple broken bones including a crushed skull.

How many women, or males under 10 do the police look for??? They don’t!!! They look for men, and primarily men from 16 to 60.

Why???

Because it’s that range of males that commit that kind of violence. So it takes perfect sense to “sexually” profile.

How mny 75 year oold Scottish grandmas have hijacked or blown planes up?? BUT the liberals want them checked just the same as the next Mohammed coming on a flight from the middle east.

This is simply insanity.

dugbru on December 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM

I’d rather drive my SUV across the country then put up with that horsesh!t.

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM

And that’s exactly how I feel about it, too. My husband and I fly to Texas at least twice a year – or we used to. Damn if I’m gonna get in line, get groped, get searched, get searched again, and then get told I can’t get up to pee for the last hour of my flight. If I can’t drive there, I’m not going there. Not because I’m especially worried about getting blown up – heck, that could have happened by now, no point in losing sleep over it anymore. No, it’s because I haven’t broken any laws – I haven’t done one damn thing wrong – and yet, I (and the rest of the traveling public) are supposed to just smile and nod and go along with whatever stupid plan the TSA and DHS come up with.

uncivilized on December 28, 2009 at 10:23 PM

I’ve seen this Litman guy on Fox in the past. I always feel like I need a shower after watching a segment with him in it. He’s a smarmy, arrogant SOB. I also don’t know if I would characterize Andrew Sullivan as a standard liberal. He’s a tinfoil hat wearing kook, which makes him perfect in progressive circles. He’s worse than a liberal.

alwaysright43 on December 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Exactly! + 1000!

ya2daup on December 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I FLIPPIN’ MISSED SIMPLETON GETTING AXED? DANG!

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Sweet! When/where?

2ipa on December 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Simple solution: If you refuse to eat a bacon/lettuce/tomatoe sandwich before boarding a plane you can’t board the plane.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Hmmm. On wheat or white bread? J/K
I don’t eat meat….can I still get on the plane?

HornetSting on December 28, 2009 at 10:27 PM

dugbru on December 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Profiling happens all the time, in many “less-than-known” places. And in the event it’s NECESSARY it’s ignored out of political correctness.

Example of the latter:
I was born in the 80s. Since the FDA says any man who has had sex with men since *1977* cannot donate blood, I have never been able to donate, even though I’m O- and free of all disease. I shrug it off and what-have-you. Kind of a bummer since I WANT to donate, but that’s the law, to this day. Even the RED CROSS ITSELF has fought this FDA (aka big government) rule, since all donated blood is tested.

Example of the former:
There was a succession of attacks here in the gay neighborhood of Chicago (full of gay men, yuppies, and single straight women). The attackers were all reported as black males by the victims via social networking sites. The big media here? “The attackers were MALE.” OH WHAT A HELP! Now I *really* know who to avoid!

Everyone is profiled in some way or another, and everyone has their “profile” diminished in some way or another out of political correctness. It all depends on who holds the keys to the information kingdom.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Works for me! Now, can you bend your considerable talents at simple solutions towards the whiny kids and parents solution?

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Nyquil for all involved.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:29 PM

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simplesimon on December 26, 2009 at 4:00 PM

..and as someone said last night: Ed Ahkbar!

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I dunno, I guess a name like “Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab” — undeniably Muslim — would be a good starting point?

Kind of like how a name like Anne O’Hogan would be a pretty clear indicator of an Irish Catholic.

lansing quaker on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Married name isn’t going to be a very reliable clue.

Until someone named “Mike Jones” commits a terrorist attack, our current system is nothing but a farce.

johnmackeygreene on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Richard Reid, the shoe bomber.

GnuBreed on December 28, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Simple solution: If you refuse to eat a bacon/lettuce/tomatoe sandwich before boarding a plane you can’t board the plane.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Ha! You beat me to it! I’ve been telling my husband that the solution is:

Profiling With Pork

You get a scantily-clad woman (preferably menstruating) to stand at every gate next to a big German Shepherd with a slab of bacon. You pet the dog and touch the bacon. If not then you don’t get on the plane. Also, another poster mentioned “Muslim Air” but I prefer “Air Islam”. Anyone that fails the gate test can go on over there.

mrsmwp on December 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM

It will come to this….When you arrive at the airport you will go to a dressing room where you remove all your clothes and place them in a bag that will be sealed and marked and put in a chute that will be delivered to you flight. Once you do this Your body will be scanned and then ou will then be issued a paper made jumpsuit to put on before boarding the plane. For this you will be charged a “fee” to cover the cost of the jumpsuit. Once you arrive at your destination you are given your sealed bag of clothes which you will put on after you have placed your disposable jumpsuit in the incinerator and then pick up your luggage.

fbcmusicman on December 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM

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simplesimon on December 26, 2009 at 4:00 PM

..and as someone said last night: Ed Ahkbar!

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM

It actually said that? Cool! Hopefully that means that they’ve taken some of our complaints about banning without record seriously.

FloatingRock on December 28, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Pig-skin seats….next!
Oh and then turn the SEALS, Rangers, Marines, GB’s loose on the “selected high value targets” that preach this stuff.

rgranger on December 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM

“Janet Napolitano, could not lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at the Mustang Ranch” ~TSA worker

bluemarlin on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Wow, Tiger Woods is now the butt of jokes that are actually about people as pathetic as Janet Napolitano. Talk about how the mighty have fallen…

As to profiling…as the wife of an airline pilot, I say do it. It might not catch the exceptions, but it isn’t going to hurt either.

pannw on December 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM

The problem stems from political correctness, a good example is the Salvation Army guy that was murdered in front of his three children on Christmas Eve. Only this morning was I able to find a proper description that the two men that shot him to death where “African American”I’m so sick of hearing African-American it me nuts. Either you’re a black American white American Oriental American or so on and so forth.

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 10:40 PM

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