Video: Is it time for airport security to start profiling?

posted at 9:28 pm on December 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

I assume they mean racial profiling — if they mean religious, how do you prove that a suspected jihadi is Muslim when he says he’s Christian? — but if so, this is a singularly bad case for that argument. For one thing, one of the likely reasons AQ chose Abdulmutallab for the mission is because he doesn’t fit the typical Arab/Pakistani racial profile. For another, the whole point this incident is that we didn’t need to profile him: As with Nidal Hasan, there were endless red flags pointing to his jihadist tendencies. Tapper rattled off a bunch of them tonight on ABC News; add in the fact that Abdulmutallab was granted a visa by AQ’s new favorite hot spot, a.k.a. Yemen, sometime over the summer and there’s no way he should have gotten on the plane, whether white, black, Arab, Asian, or what have you.

Surprised to find AC an opponent of the whole-body image scanning too. None of us want a TSA guard checking out our junk, but if it’s between that and Undibombers, oh well. Exit question: The Democrat here has never heard anyone describe Andrew Sullivan as liberal? When was the last time he read Sullivan? 2001?

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Anyone remember the football player who had some contraption in his pants from which he squeezed out someone else’s clean urine when he had to take a drug test? You can bet the terrorists have already figured out a way around the body scans. Anyone with too much junk down there would have to be pulled aside and checked to make sure it isn’t fake and stuffed with explosives.

Buddahpundit on December 28, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Simple solution: If you refuse to eat a bacon/lettuce/tomatoe sandwich before boarding a plane you can’t board the plane.

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Got some Jewish friends who love this country as much as I, so I’d rather put a simpler requirement on passengers…

“Here’s the Koran and here’s the U.S. Constitution. Pee on one or the other.”

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Watching the Lib apologist was so frustrating. Just lie and continue to lie. Even if Ann Coulter keeps hitting you in the nutz with theTRUTH!

Gob on December 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Nigeria is one of the most dangerous locations on the earth, it has an enroaching Islamic based conflict moving southward from sub-Sahara, and this guy gets past two layers of security screening?

Here is an example: Singapore. Fly Garuda Airlines into Changi International, most of the time you will arrive at gate 39, which is at the far end on Changi’s terminal. Immediately upon exiting the aircraft, ALL passengers are directed to security screening right at the gate. Does not matter who you are everyone will be screened with metal detectors, hand luggage xray’d, and then physically searched. Then, mysteriously, your checked luggage is very late to the baggage pick-up point, THEN you have a customs check.

Additionally, there ARE separate lines at the immigration que. If you are Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, East African, or Non-Saudi Royalty Arab, thay have special places for you. And they don’t cut the PRC much slack either.

They haven’t installed full body imagining, or worried too much about old people in wheelchairs etc., they believe in diligence based on regional, non-politically correct experience.

What part of “Nigeria is a REAL bad place” doen’t we understand?

lpierson on December 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM

The whizzinator. I was searched twice on a trip because I had a photocopy of my driver’s license and not the actual. I showed it at the counter and the lady asked why I was able to have a copy. I told her that I had to give a copy to my new employer and had a copy of that. They pulled me out in security and double checked me, then at the gate sent me back for a double check because the TSA clown didn’t initial the ticket as scanned. Of course that person wasn’t there (5 mins. later) and I had to be re-screened. I almost missed the flight. But back to the PC nonsense….didn’t terrorists fly out of Heathrow dressed in Burkhas?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. We are doomed…

KZnextzone on December 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM

The incomparable Dave Burge

warbaby on December 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM

“Here’s the Koran and here’s the U.S. Constitution. Pee on one or the other.”

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

“especially since you won’t be peeing on this flight.”

For strictly entertainment purposes, is it possible to run a strong electical current through the Constitution?

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 PM

electical = electrical :(

CantCureStupid on December 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Any moment now we are going to be deafened by the united voices of moderate Muslims loudly condemning this act…….any time now…….wait for it………its coming……..plug your ears……………..

A message to our peace-loving American Muslims: Your silence speaks as loudly as your brethern’s explosives.

sclemens on December 28, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Being PC is going to end up getting more people killed. Sure, Timothy McVeigh was white and he was a terrorist, but how many other white terrorists have we had? Not sure, but I can tell you 19 muslim extremists killed 3000+/- people on 9/11 and then that jackass muslim extremist terrorist killed those people @ Ft. Hood.

I’m not saying that all muslims are extremists, but I’m saying that the vast majority of the terrorists ARE muslim extremists. Now, if the non-extremists want to get PO’d at someone, then get pissed at the extremists for hijacking their religion (pardon the pun) and making it hard on the rest of them.

Furthermore, I would think any non-extremist muslim would appreciate a little profiling and extra scrutiny at the airport so they don’t become victims as well.

Oink on December 28, 2009 at 10:55 PM

If they are victims of someone else’s Jihad aren’t they given the virgins too?

KZnextzone on December 28, 2009 at 11:00 PM

This country is too freaking stupid to do anything even remotely correct to address the security issue. They’d prefer a person be blown apart at 30,000 feet, rather than “hurt someone’s feelings”.

Things are not going to improve until airline passengers START VOTING WITH THEIR FEET.

GarandFan on December 28, 2009 at 11:05 PM

The Muslims have been profiling themselves for the last 30 years. Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

I don’t think that the xray machine is a problem. The operators would get so board seeing fat naked people all day, it would be ridiculous.

Mojave Mark on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

A false and bogus argument. No one, right or left, believes that the crotch bomber shouldn’t have been subject to special scrutiny or banned from flights already. In fact, this incident suggests that actual profiling remains suspect. This guy had any number of red flags, as opposed to the millions of Muslims who board airplanes very month and who shouldn’t be jerked out of line for a body cavity search simply because they are brown.

Bleeds Blue on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

THat’s exactly why the pilots on the 9-11 flights didn’t just depressurize the craft untill evryone passed out. They would have been pillorized on the ground in hindsight.

KZnextzone on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Oink
I doubt non-extremist would like to be profiled. They have a hard time speaking against jihadist and they appear to be well trained in promoting their fear of American backlash as politically correct excuse for everyone to STFU. Although, I do think they do not need to bother with interviews at any MSM. The MSM will be happy to do that for them.

meMC on December 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM

American backlash is their code word for racists.

meMC on December 28, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Not just Undibomber; Analbomber as well. Full body scan is the only way.

Until the technology is readily available, how about refusing visas to anyone with Yemen, Pakistan, etc. passports or visas as a starting place? Only with specific State Department clearance. A visa is a privilege that should e revoked from the problem areas until they are no longer problems.

michaelo on December 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Why focus on race?

The terrorists would just use people of a different race or sex that aren’t being watched.

Wouldn’t behavioral profiling be much more effective?

Chip on December 28, 2009 at 11:33 PM

he doesn’t fit the typical Arab/Pakistani racial profile.

You really don’t pay attention to religious strife all over this world do you? I guess the civil war that has been ongoing in Nigeria between the Christians and the Muslims wouldn’t register unless we had American troops there.

We need to look at the passports of people trying to enter the USA. We need to restrict travel from people who have been to certain areas of the world. I know not all people who have been to Pakistan are bad. But enough have been for me to be able to sacrifice not allowing the good Pakistanis to come to America.

There are simple solutions. There are simple and absolute solutions. The problem is solved if you say nobody who has traveled to Pakistan/Afghanistan, Yemen are allowed to travel to the USA. Threat over.

ThackerAgency on December 28, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Profiling should absolutely take place. Imagine if the 9/11 hijackers looked like me. I ought to expect a strip search and probe every time I want to get on a plane.

Blue Collar Todd on December 28, 2009 at 11:41 PM

The bottom line is, the government will never profile, and we’re going to lose hundreds if not thousands of lives due to islamic butt-bombs ripping planes out of the air, until no one will fly anymore.

Then the muslems will start butt-bombing trains until we don’t ride anymore, then bridges/tunnels so we don’t drive anymore, etc. etc.

But better that, then being inconsiderate to the practitioners of the “religion of peace”. Because that would be wrong.

Rebar on December 28, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Losers are ALWAYS defeated by their OWN dogma, not the other guys. Can you say political correctness?

Pole-Cat on December 28, 2009 at 11:51 PM

As far as racial profiling goes, it isn’t white Christians, as a group, running around trying to cowardly blow innocent people up, while saying that they love death more than we love life, is it? Let’s have some common f’kn sense here.
All Arabs, Persians, West Asians and North African who are Muslims should be strip searched in public right before they are about to board any mode of transportation. And after the strip search, they should have a giant ribbon saying “thank your pal Osama” shoved right up their a$$es. I am so sick and tired of these inherently evil people. They are sick, evil, lowly scum that think murdering innocent people, beating up their wives, killing their daughters, throwing acid in women’s faces is all God’s will. For the rest of our lives, our children’s lives and our grandchildren’s lives we will be at war with these vermin, not willingly either, but forced to act because of their perverted sense of right and wrong.
And as you can plainly see, I’m finished with being PC about it.

OxyCon on December 28, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Of course it is time to profile, it should have been done on 9/11 and before. It is the ONLY effective means of stopping these attacks.

echosyst on December 29, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Got some Jewish friends who love this country as much as I, so I’d rather put a simpler requirement on passengers…

“Here’s the Koran and here’s the U.S. Constitution. Pee on one or the other.”

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Ok, you simplified it even more. I forgot about our Jewish friends and pork. The observation of said test is a job I do not want.

bluemarlin on December 29, 2009 at 12:01 AM

One major help in the fight against terrorists is to not accept cash at ticket desks. Card only.

OldEnglish on December 29, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Airports are private, no? Why not let them deal with their own security?

Libertarian Joseph on December 29, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Why is the convenience and ease of airline passengers still being treated as an issue? Have we forgotten that if anything goes wrong in the air, if it isn’t resolved in the air, the Air Force is going to pull the trigger on a few hundred Americans? 9 out of 10 casualties on 9/11 did not buy a ticket. If it takes six hours to board a plane, so what?

Chris_Balsz on December 29, 2009 at 12:11 AM

This brings to mind a hilarious segment Carlos Mencia did on profiling. It starts at around the 39 second mark and goes on for a couple of minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnTLol-bM40

ieplaya on December 29, 2009 at 12:42 AM

This guy had any number of red flags, as opposed to the millions of Muslims who board airplanes very month and who shouldn’t be jerked out of line for a body cavity search simply because they are brown.

No, they should be jerked out of line because they hail from parts of the world where a very specific religious ideology says it’s okay to blow other people up.

There is no reason why my 63-year-old father should have to remove his shoes, while balancing on his arthritic knees, so that a liberal can feel good about the system working.

Had the 9/11 hijackers been blond-haired, blue-eyed Swedish nuns, the meme would be totally different. No Catholic would be allowed to fly in that reality.

englishqueen01 on December 29, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Great Historical Questions to Which the Answer is Yes

EscapeVelocity on December 29, 2009 at 1:00 AM

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

costs less than the body screen, and doesn’t invade privacy :)

Conservative Voice on December 29, 2009 at 2:05 AM

While I understand the desire for profiling and not “strip search” Grandma, the problem is there are “Timothy McVeighs” out there. That white guy in the business suit reading the newspaper while eating a cream cheese bagel may look harmless enough, but what does he really have in his briefcase?

hadsil on December 29, 2009 at 2:08 AM

It looks like Sarah Palin is right again, this time on the issue of profiling.

Is Sarah Palin qualified to become President? One of the crucial qualifiers for a person to be a leader of a city, state or even a country is the person’s ability to have a key sense of “sound judgement”. Back in November, Sarah drove the appeasers up the wall in an interview conducted by Matt Continetti. Her comments came a few days after the Fort Hood terrorist attack in which the radical Muslim Major Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 soldiers while wounding 30. These are the comments Sarah Palin made in her interview with Matt Continetti.

Sarah Palin “There were such clear, obvious, massive warning signs that were missed. This terrorist, even having business cards” that identified him as an “SoA” or soldier of Allah.” Palin blamed a culture of political correctness and other decisions that “prevented — I’m going to say it — profiling” of someone with Hasan’s extremist ideology. “I say, profile away”. ” Such political correctness “could be our downfall.” If the upcoming investigations into the attack reveal bad decision-making on the part of senior officials, Palin continued, those officials ought to be fired”.

No doubt those on the left considered Palin to be an even further right wing hate monger for her “closed minded remarks”, however it appears that Sarah Palin’s words have come home to bear fruit.

Brass on December 29, 2009 at 2:14 AM

guess the link button didn’t work….

here’s the link from NOVEMBER 2008

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security

SFTech on December 29, 2009 at 6:51 AM

AP,
I’m a former Ben-Gurion Airport security official. A few thoughts:
1/ I can say pretty confidently that this guy would never have gotten through routine Israeli security procedures (which include profiling). Anybody with basic security training and common sense would have seen that there is something very fishy about this young Nigerian traveling by himself with no luggage (like, hello!). He fits practically every article in the suspicious conduct and appearance handbook.
2/ You needn’t and shouldn’t frame it as racial or religious profiling. Profiling doesn’t mean to stop and question or check every passenger from a certain group, be it Arab, black, white or Eskimo. You wouldn’t question an elderly Arab lady any more than you would question an elderly Jewish or Hispanic lady. They don’t constitute a threat. Profiling means to focus on very specific segment of the population and on a very specific type of passenger that constitues a threat.
3/ Back in the 70′s and 80′s, there were several cases of young, white, European girls that were duped by Arab terrorists into carrying bombs onto planes. So profiling by race doesn’t answer all threats. Obviously, Al-Qaeda might not be inclined to use this method, wanting to secure a place in virgin-heaven for one of their own, but this is still a point that needs to be considered.
My point is that the U.S. needs what you might call SECURITY profiling. It needs to apply common sense and focus on the threats. Doing that would enable you to concentrate on a very specific type of people, instead of using sweeping measures.

rafi_g on December 29, 2009 at 6:54 AM

Yes, it is time. The last time I flew, they took me aside and put me through some extra searching. You know the drill. And I thought then, yeah guys, pat down the white grandma and ignore the guy screaming God is Great in Arabic.

Terrye on December 29, 2009 at 7:09 AM

This country is too freaking stupid to do anything even remotely correct to address the security issue….
GarandFan on December 28, 2009 at 11:05 PM

This country’s ‘leadership’ is too freaking stupid to do anything even remotely correct like actualy name the ememy…

Friendly21 on December 29, 2009 at 7:24 AM

We could do worse than emulate El Al:

Having lived for decades with bombs and suicide attacks, Israel designed the industry’s most impenetrable flight security more than 20 years ago. Officials say it is a stunning success. Despite several wars and endless conflict at home, El Al’s sole hijacking was in 1968, before the system began. …

Despite their current anxieties, Americans also might balk at El Al-style ethnic profiling. Staff scrutinize the passengers’ names, dividing them into low-risk (Israeli or foreign Jews), medium-risk (non-Jewish foreigners) and extremely high-risk travelers (anyone with an Arabic name). These people automatically are taken into a room for body and baggage checks and lengthy interrogation. Single women also are considered high-risk, for fear they might be used by Palestinian lovers to carry bombs.

To sift out who is who, screeners usually begin by asking passengers whether they understand any Hebrew, which most Jews do. Officials argue that such blatant discrimination is necessary.

“We don’t ask the same questions to everyone; there’s a surprise element so people can’t prepare their answers,” says El Al spokesman Nachman Klieman, adding that they don’t reveal many of their security secrets publicly.

In fact, El Al’s security kicks in long before the passenger will notice. Call an El Al office in any city to book a ticket, and your name will be checked against a computer list of terrorist suspects compiled by Interpol, the FBI, Shin Bet (Israel’s intelligence service) and others.

Paul_in_NJ on December 29, 2009 at 7:26 AM

The profiling question is only meant as a way to pull back from this PC, politically correct, way of life.

Solution, like in WWII, anyone remember that?

Like in WWII have a secret military tribunal after all information is taken from terrorists, even after 3 – 6 years and then kill them.

Right now, there is a kid out in the USA, he or she will become president 1 day. They will implement secret tribunal and kill murdering islamic terrorists.

But currently, get used to Gitmo terrorists being freed and coming back to kill us.

Yes this is true.

Until that day comes when pacifists and PC movement doesn’t dominate we are under threat of death.

It’s cyclic.

father on December 29, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Why is the convenience and ease of airline passengers still being treated as an issue? Have we forgotten that if anything goes wrong in the air, if it isn’t resolved in the air, the Air Force is going to pull the trigger on a few hundred Americans? 9 out of 10 casualties on 9/11 did not buy a ticket. If it takes six hours to board a plane, so what?

Chris_Balsz on December 29, 2009 at 12:11 AM

The natural progression of consumer annoyance is refusal to buy. That will mean the terrorists will have won.

fossten on December 29, 2009 at 7:26 AM

The natural progression of consumer annoyance is refusal to buy. That will mean the terrorists will have won.

fossten on December 29, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Maybe passengers would rather not travel or take a day going by ground, but I doubt it.

The real problem here is presuming that “anybody who looks like me, is as harmless as me, so why hold us up?”. Seems like the Dutch presumed a black African wasn’t part of the problem. I guess AQ will also get one freebie attack with a Chinese lady ina wheelchair.

Chris_Balsz on December 29, 2009 at 7:56 AM

One other item. I have seen in international airpots and even domestic ariports what seems to be an overepresentation of those of the Islamic faith in security roles. Is it not possible this guy was “helped” along? Either by those just turning the other way or ignoring the signs?

That or just mass incompetence. Which is also possible as I was on board a domestic flight two weeks ago, where a young lady pulled a giant pair of shears to cut felt with.

WTF!!!?

James on December 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I haven’t logged in here for over a year (ever since an argument with AP over hate crime), and it’s good to see my login still works. I’m a college professor with some expertise on terrorist profiling, and I’ve been urging it since 1993. I just want to contribute the point that a lot of academic research and study has been stymied because we’ve gone the political correctness route. On paper, there are some very good ways to do terrorist profiling, but you need some nonpolitical oversight like the kind provided by academic experts as well as ordinary people with common sense.

dapro on December 29, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Keep on profiling you ignorant Democrats! Keep talking about how bad it is while more people die. The differences between Obama’s party and the rest of the Americans is becoming more and more stark.
Sarah’s answer to this problem: “Profile away!”

BetseyRoss on December 29, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Yeah, how do you profile ideology? A terrorist can be black, white, asian, middle eastern. And when you ask muslim terrorist if he`s a muslim, wouldn`t they say no? And how would you know if they`re lying?

Best to take off your shoes, go ahead with the body scan and look at behavior closely.

ThePrez on December 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Exactly what I was thinking after hearing about these ideas of profiling muslims. This guy didn’t even look like what most people think of when they think of a “typical muslim”.

The only profiling that needs to be done is screening people from certain countries more heavily than others and to make sure the methods we have in place already are made more stringent and function correctly. However just going by look alone is not really effective.

Norvell on December 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I assume they mean racial profiling — if they mean religious, how do you prove that a suspected jihadi is Muslim when he says he’s Christian? — but if so, this is a singularly bad case for that argument

Country of origin, countries visited, age, sex, one way ticket paid for with cash, ect..

Johan Klaus on December 29, 2009 at 9:46 AM

The problem is solved if you say nobody who has traveled to Pakistan/Afghanistan, Yemen are allowed to travel to the USA. Threat over.

ThackerAgency on December 28, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I’m a 57 year old white male, retired police executive, Christian, conservative, US citizen…and I have a bloody great visa saying “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” pasted into my passport since I once traveled to Pakistan on official government business. So you’re saying that I can no longer get on an aircraft headed home to the US? The answer is racial/religious/behavioral profiling.

Trafalgar on December 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM

simply because they are brown.

Bleeds Blue on December 28, 2009 at
11:08 PM

Racist!

Johan Klaus on December 29, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Nah let’s not profile, instead give them the VIP treatment. Give them a special VIP line to a special VIP room at the airport where they receive SPECIAL VIP Screening. Heck give them special feet washers and prayer rugs too. Include special VIP luggage handling and special VIP bag checks. So what there’s special bomb sniffing dogs, Scatter Scanners, wands and pat downs if needed. I’m just saying let’s play the game make em feel special.

RonAck on December 29, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I’ve got a novel idea, why not use both profiling and the watch list. I agree with Ann and the other guy, it sounds odd, but both have valid points. Why not use both arguments? Use profiling and what’s on the books now. Use the x-ray screening machine as well.

Torch on December 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM

“Here’s the Koran and here’s the U.S. Constitution. Pee on one or the other.”

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

So you don’t want to offend any Jews but you do want to offend all Muslims? Aren’t you only proving the point people make about us, that we really do hate all Muslims and not just the ones who mean us harm?

Do you know how many American Christians would choose the Constitution if it were between that and their Bible?

I don’t care what someone believes so long as they respect others. Get one to pee on Sharia documents or see how they feel about being searched by a woman. Or just ask a few questions. These guys have rarely been all that great at keeping their more revolting opinions to themselves.

simply because they are brown.

Bleeds Blue on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Brown? And how many brown people have attacked us? The 9/11 hijackers were white. This man is black. Honestly, it’s a bit predictable that liberals always go to brown people.

Best to take off your shoes, go ahead with the body scan and look at behavior closely.

ThePrez on December 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

If we get to the point where we’re body scanning everyone, I can guarantee more people will stop flying. I was just in Europe for a few weeks and while there didn’t fly once even though their prices are insanely cheap for short flights. The train stations were always packed, and despite the prices, I can see why.

All we’ve been asking for these last eight years is basic competency. It shouldn’t be too much to ask.

Esthier on December 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM

The perfect solutiont to this whole thing is to put little misters in each of the plane enterences that sprinkle you with pig sweat/piss/semen whatever.. when you get on.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM

There are simple solutions. There are simple and absolute solutions. The problem is solved if you say nobody who has traveled to Pakistan/Afghanistan, Yemen are allowed to travel to the USA. Threat over.

ThackerAgency on December 28, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Awesome! So I guess that means that Obama won’t get back in. I’m all for that!

mrsmwp on December 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Just a caution on profiling: Richard Reid didn’t fit any typical profile, except for being a youngish male.

In Russia, female suicide bombers have taken down planes, and females were part of the foiled plot to blow up trans-Atlantic airliners a few years ago.

The only thing all of these suicide bombers have in common is being Muslim, and fairly young.

juliesa on December 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM

The perfect solutiont to this whole thing is to put little misters in each of the plane enterences that sprinkle you with pig sweat/piss/semen whatever.. when you get on.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM

You’d be OK with being sprinkled with pig sweat, piss or semen and then sitting on an airplane full of people who’d been likewise sprinkled for a good 10 hours or more?

Esthier on December 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Esthier: I didnt say to be bathed in it.. just a few drops to ensure that anyone who died with such substance on their body would be rejected from the glorious Islamic paradise.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Esthier: I didnt say to be bathed in it.. just a few drops to ensure that anyone who died with such substance on their body would be rejected from the glorious Islamic paradise.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Still… that’s disgusting no matter your faith. Besides, planes have bathrooms with sinks and soap.

Esthier on December 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Still… that’s disgusting no matter your faith. Besides, planes have bathrooms with sinks and soap.

Esthier on December 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM

That’s true, but a simple washing with soap and water doesn’t matter to Muslims, they would still rejected from paradise. That is, if my understanding of Islam is correct.

Torch on December 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Still… that’s disgusting no matter your faith. Besides, planes have bathrooms with sinks and soap.

Esthier on December 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
=====

Use soap that is derived from material that is Harem.

A lot of Muslims who are hospital workers in the UK refuse to follow the sanitary regualations because they insist an ingredient in the hand scrubber contains pork product.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM

It is not time to start to profile it is way past time. You should only be allowed to carry stupidity so far.

duff65 on December 29, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Security failed because it was the STATE in charge of security. The free market always does it better. Do you think airports like losing planes/passengers? Let them create their own security systems. It’s a risk people choose to take.

Libertarian Joseph on December 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Posted on the “El Al official explains” thread

ElAl: Hello. I see you are going to Rome today. What are you going to do there?

Passenger: Well, I hear it’s really historic with lotsa ruins and all.

EA: You have studied this?

Pax: Yeah

EA: I have a Rome expert right over here who would like your opinion. You will really like chatting with him.

Probably a lot smoother than that but you get the idea and ElAl has prevented another attack.

Alternate ending:
Pax: Hey man, I’ve got a plane to catch.

EA: Wrong. You have a conversation to conclude. /Well dressed polite people converge on Pax.

Profiling? Not so much. Intelligence gathering. Of course intel can only be gathered by intelligent people.

Well we still have the 47% who didn’t vote D. Heh.

Caststeel on December 29, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I went to Israel in 1998, by myself.. i was around 24 y/o. first time i ever left the USA.

The Security questiosn were just the ones Caststel quoted.

I was interregated for about 20 minutes… which I found oddly fun.

VinceP1974 on December 29, 2009 at 5:35 PM

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