State Department ignored warning on Abdulmutallab

posted at 9:30 am on December 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Janet Napolitano has come under heavy criticism for her assertion that “the system worked” after the near-miss attack on Northwest 253, but as the Washington Post reports this morning, the failure didn’t entirely belong to Napolitano.  The State Department got a warning from the terrorist’s father that his son was up to no good just a few weeks before the flight from Amsterdam.  Not only did State ignore the warning, but the Post reports that ignorance is pretty much the norm:

When Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s father in Nigeria reported concern over his son’s “radicalization” to the U.S. Embassy there last month, intelligence officials in the United States deemed the information insufficient to pursue. The young man’s name was added to the half-million entries in a computer database in McLean and largely forgotten.

The lack of attention was not unusual, according to U.S. intelligence officials, who said that thousands of similar bits of information flow into the National Counterterrorism Center each week from around the world. Only those that indicate a specific threat, or add to an existing body of knowledge about an individual, are passed along for further investigation and possible posting on airline and border watch lists. …

Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) joined GOP critics in asking how the suspect was able to retain a U.S. visa — issued by the U.S. Embassy in London in 2008 — after his name appeared in the terrorist database.

“What happened after this man’s father called our embassy in Nigeria?” Lieberman asked. “What happened to that information? Was there follow-up to try to determine where this suspect was?”

White House officials struggled to explain the complicated system of centralized terrorist data and watch lists, stressing that they were put in place years ago by the Bush administration. Spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Obama has ordered reviews of the watch-list system and the airport explosives screening.

When Robert Gibbs started spinning this back into more BushBushBushBushBush, it became apparent that the answer to Lieberman’s question was no.  It’s one thing to get an anonymous tip about a potential terrorist suspect.  When a father feels compelled to warn the US about his own son, that should have triggered a little bit more response than “We’ll take it under advisement.”

The question on the visa is critical.  No one has a right to a visa to the US.  If we have credible information that someone constitutes a threat — and a father’s testimony should be considered at least credible enough to hoist a red flag or two — then the visa should be canceled until more investigation can take place.  It’s absolutely ridiculous that we’re kicking out Anatolie Vartosu for being too successful in America while keeping Adbulmutallab’s visa in place because we’re just not sure he’s a radical jihadi.  It’s as ridiculous as doing strip-searches on Grandma while allowing a Nigerian on a watch list to pass through two sets of security without a patdown.

The State Department needs to get serious about visa management and national security.  Instead of kicking out the Vartosus, how about keeping out the jihadis?  Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration have been in place for over eleven months.  When do their failures start being their own?


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Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Somebody is nervous.

booter on December 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

And Gibbs, Obama, etc… are not trying to blame Bush. They’re just trying to deflate the inevitable right-wing story line that something like this wouldn’t have happened under Bush, he understood the threat, blah, blah, blah.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Come on, they constantly refer to issues as “inherited from the previous administration.” Pelosi still goes on about Bush’s “failed policies.” They own this reputation of blame because they do it ALL THE TIME. They need to man up and accept responsibility…something is wrong with THEIR security system and THEY need to make it right. They should have looked at it on January 20 2009. Not almost a year after taking office.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I see that most posters think that Obama wants to stop an attack. I do not.

jukin on December 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM

The State Department needs to get serious about visa management and national security.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

GarandFan on December 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Unbelievable! The administration is blaming Bush and Shipley is worried about a blog politicizing this.

Howcome on December 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM

From 9/11/01 to January 2001 – no other events on US soil.

Last 2 months – massacre at Fort Hood & underwear bombing attempt. No one respects a pu$$y – & this administration is full of them.

“enemies abroad and within” – it’s clear who they are.

Danny on December 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Reset button. Where are you?!?!

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Ah, the computer generation shows it’s mindset:

“Re-load from last checkpoint. All progress to this point will be lost”

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM

So I guess that Bush started the list and thats the problem. They ignore the list because its Bush’s list.

Ed Laskie on December 28, 2009 at 10:00 AM

+++100

lovingmyUSA on December 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Just because our politicians do it, doesn’t mean we have to! Come on, this isn’t about whether you’re a liberal or conservative, a Democrat or Republican. This is an AMERICAN issue. Aren’t any of you tired of the low road? I guess not!

The CJ Political Report on December 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM

And Gibbs, Obama, etc… are not trying to blame Bush. They’re just trying to deflate the inevitable right-wing story line that something like this wouldn’t have happened under Bush, he understood the threat, blah, blah, blah.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Hogwash. That gaggle of fools in the administration couldn’t find their butts with both hands, and now they’re just whining and attempting to pass blame. They had better get their horse and pony show together before we’re caused to suffer in this country.

rplat on December 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

And Gibbs, Obama, etc… are not trying to blame Bush. They’re just trying to deflate the inevitable right-wing story line that something like this wouldn’t have happened under Bush, he understood the threat, blah, blah, blah.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Shorter Tom:

“Bush made it so bad the Obama Administration is unable to fix it.”

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM

George Soros, who has said that the democratic party is his own since he bought and paid for it, has said in an updated preface to the 2003 edition of his book “The Alchemy of Finance” that he is afraid the US will win the war on terror because he thinks American strength/supremacy is the world’s biggest enemy. He wants the terrorists to take America down.

What changed since Obama took office? The owner of the team changed (Soros), the manager of the team changed (Obama), and all the players of the team were re-appointed to fit the vision of the owner (Sunstein, Geithner, etc). The referess were all bought off. And the sports announcers, who had been threatened with annihilation if they mentioned that the team manager wasn’t eligible for the job, voluntarily keep from showing any slow-motion replays of the dropped balls, deliberate fumbling, mismanagement of the clock, and bad calls.

The leadership of Team America wants us to lose and has fixed everything to make the loss come as quickly as possible. Obama obviously has no discomfort at HIM being the victor; he has publicly stated that he has discomfort at the thought of America being the victor. That should tell us a lot.

justincase on December 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Hogwash. That gaggle of fools in the administration couldn’t find their own butts with both hands, and now they’re just whining and attempting to pass blame. They had better get their horse and pony show together before we’re caused to suffer in this country.

rplat on December 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

FIFY. Liberals are, however, expert at finding other people’s butts.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 10:49 AM

I wonder if the strategy of Boy Wonder is to pay no attention to terrorist acts, so that over time they become bored with it, and move on to other things.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Just released vacation pic puts a visual behind the White House response.

BKeyser on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

From the Hotair ABC news link

“Brian Jenkins, who studies terrorism for the Rand Corporation, says there were more terror incidents (12), including thwarted plots, on U.S. soil in 2009 than in any year since 2001. The jihadists don’t seem to like Americans any better because we’re closing down Guantanamo.”

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

and a father’s testimony should be considered at least credible enough to hoist a red flag or two

Not only that, but his father was something of a big shot in Nigeria. The visa should have been revoked automatically. Thanks to Obama, many people are sleeping at the wheel.

pearson on December 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I’m sure the same people were in state and other governmental agencies charged with keeping us safe that are there today. It’s just a few faces at the top that change with a new admin. This is the presidents #1 job and it’s the one he’s been ignoring since January. Getting the Olympics and becoming a traveling circus is not his job. Oh, yeah, jobs would be #2.

Kissmygrits on December 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

BKeyser on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

LOL.

pearson on December 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM

i feel so much better
/s

they will blame bush until they leave office…it’s very tiring…

cmsinaz on December 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM

But in fairness, Obama is taking the Yemen threat seriously. And our would be bomber promises there are more attacks being planned there.

http://www.examiner.com/x-31244-Louisville-Public-Policy-Examiner~y2009m12d20-Obama-Nobel-peace-prize-in-hand-bombs-Yemen-with-cruise-missiles

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM

From the Hotair ABC news link

“Brian Jenkins, who studies terrorism for the Rand Corporation, says there were more terror incidents (12), including thwarted plots, on U.S. soil in 2009 than in any year since 2001. The jihadists don’t seem to like Americans any better because we’re closing down Guantanamo.”

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Of course not. Only the mentally ill would think closing down Guantanamo would cause the jihadists to like us better. Sane people understand that this act of weakness emboldens them. Obama may not see us as being at war, but the jihadists always have and always will.

Remember folks, Bush kept us safe for eight years. So far, Obama had to rely on luck to keep us safe during his first year.

pearson on December 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Bush, Bush, Bush. Blah, blah, blah.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

You were a lot funnier at Captain’s Quarters.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Come on people, Hillary is planning Chelsea’s wedding.

Priorities, folks, priorities !

stenwin77 on December 28, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Bill’s gonna be around; better keep the bridesmaids in lockdown.

Dopenstrange on December 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Remember the military recruiters who were shot in Arkansas by a black Muslim convert, shortly after black Muslim converts were caught trying to blow up buildings in New York? People at the FBI were saying that they had been told to stop investigating black Muslim converts. I think it was right around there when AG Holder’s people forced prosecutors to drop the already-won case against the black Muslims who engaged in what lifetime civil rights prosecuters have called the worst case of voter intimidation they’ve seen.

Hasan praised the shooting of the recruiters. I have no doubts that the easing-up of law enforcement against black Muslims was met with an equal easing-up of military investigation into Arab Muslim soldiers.

I think this crap is coming from the top down. And I think Eric Holder needs to be put under oath and answer some very pointed questions.

justincase on December 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Only those that indicate a specific threat, or add to an existing body of knowledge about an individual, are passed along for further investigation and possible posting on airline and border watch lists. …

So, you only “connect the dots” that already belong to a known quantity?

It’s as ridiculous as doing strip-searches on Grandma while allowing a Nigerian on a watch list to pass through two sets of security without a patdown.

C’mon Ed. You know its better to hurt Grandma’s feelings than someone who might actually hurt someone…don’t you?

Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration have been in place for over eleven months. When do their failures start being their own?

In their eyes? Never. In the American people’s eyes? Check the polls.

tgharris on December 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

It’s absolutely ridiculous that we’re kicking out Anatolie Vartosu for being too successful in America while keeping Adbulmutallab’s visa in place because we’re just not sure he’s a radical jihadi.

Absolutely ridiculous? Yes. But par for the course.

And not necessarily the fault of the Obama administration. “Diversity” took over our immigration policy long ago.

UltimateBob on December 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM

PS Ed buy a clue, the post reports anti HRC sentiments cuz she is the scapegoat chosen by Teh One, why do you think h gave her a job??? to keep her out of POTUS running

everytime HRC poll numbers rise a CDS article comes out, never let an opportunity pass to blame a Clinton

and the right falls for it hook line and sinker eeach time, at least some do, the CDS afflicted like Ed for example….

DHS has authority here so does the FBI

state does not compile no fly lists Ed

ginaswo on December 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Using Tom’s (and every other libtard’s) logic(?), I’ve decided I don’t have to replace the aging roof on my house. The previous owner should have done that. So when it starts leaking, I’ll just tell my wife it’s his fault.

CurtZHP on December 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I see that most posters think that Obama wants to stop an attack. I do not.

jukin on December 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM

I think he’s only concerned about an attack insofar as how it will affect his poll numbers.

UltimateBob on December 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

When do their failures start being their own?

When 200-300 people are massacred on an airplane by a ROP member.

PattyJ on December 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Remember the gal who was doing all the interrogations of top-level terrorists captured in Baghdad – who the CIA approved even though her brother-in-law was funneling money to terrorists, with the knowledge and tacit approval of a Bush-appointed US attorney who was schmoozing with Muslims and stopping anybody else from investigating Muslim terror financing?

Our family watched “The Black Knight” last night for the first time. The kids were terrified. The question came up of how the Joker could get all the hospital explosives wired so fast, which led to understanding the real terror involved: the Joker had so many people in so many positions who were helping him when they were supposed to be protecting the people from the Joker. The whole problem with Harvey Dent turning into a bad guy was that the people had to know it was possible for someone working within the system – actually given the responsibility of protecting them – to withstand the corruption and actually do their job.

I couldn’t tell the kids this is exactly where America is at right now. It would have scared the snot out of them. I had to emphasize how Joker didn’t win over Batman and the guy who was helping Batman, and how even a boat-load of convicts – because of the leadership of one person who really “got it” – chose to possibly die rather than submit to dog-eat-dog anarchy.

justincase on December 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

They should have looked at it on January 20 2009. Not almost a year after taking faking office.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

FIFY

oldfiveanddimer on December 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM

The prez said he would not rest for a minute until the high unemployment problem was solved. (I believe he said it on 11-29.) I guess that ruining the country with Obamacare are higher priorities than national security and jobs.

Why did he go to Hawaii? Where is Joe?

HellCat on December 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM

reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.reset.

maverick muse on December 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM

As Gibbs pointed out, the system that the State Department was using was put into place by the Bush administration. Obviously, that system needs to be reviewed. And it is.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Can’t make up your mind there, chief…

And Gibbs, Obama, etc… are not trying to blame Bush. They’re just trying to deflate the inevitable right-wing story line that something like this wouldn’t have happened under Bush, he understood the threat, blah, blah, blah.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Hey Shipley, I have a question…

Whose fault was 9/11 – Bush or Clinton?

fossten on December 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM

It’s 3 am and the phone is off the hook.

csdeven on December 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!

You are a moron.

csdeven on December 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM

In all reality, in systems like this, driven by huge beauracracies, there are going to be problems like this. I have not doubt that this same type of thing could have happened while Bush was president.

The difference is in the response to it. I don’t recall Bush or anyone in his administration blaming Clinton for 9/11, or any of the other myriad failures of the Clinton administration in national security and foreign policy.

The fact that this administration has no clue or plan when it comes to stuff like this, and follows up failures with the childish and classless blaming of the previous administration, is what frightens me most.

I think that this group of idiots truly believed that simply by O! being elected and offering to close GITMO, the jihhadis would go away. That they would stop hating us. Not only do they have no understanding of the west’s enemies, they do not believe such enemies exist.

I wonder if attacks like this will make the left grow up and see that sometimes evil people do evil things for evil reasons – not for some make-believe past transgression of the U.S. Maybe those on the left will stop excusing terrorism and stop blaming terrorist’s acts on the U.S.

Or, perhaps they will go the other way, and become even more reflexively hating of the U.S., and start demanding even more appeasement of islam from the U.S.

Unfortunately, my guess is on the 2nd possibility. Watch for another world apology tour from O! and watch for him to start treating our nation’s allies even worse than he has while doing everything possible to appease our enemies.

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Ready on Day One. If she can find time from presenting RESET buttons around the world, she can focus on doing something meaningful.

Sorry, Ed, to go totally off-topic, but does anyone know where Joe Biden is?

As far as I can tell, he has been invisible since about December 22. Not a peep or a word or a sighting.

DaydreamBeliever on December 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM

He might be in the bunker underneath … The one security thing he was talking about… Remember?

antisocial on December 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM

albill on December 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

HellCat on December 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I’ll bet you a million bucks Israel whacks Iran before Dec 31st.

Otis B on December 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM

He might be in the bunker underneath … The one security thing he was talking about… Remember?

antisocial on December 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM

That’s my bet.

Site R and a second undisclosed location.

Otis B on December 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Oh My…….First Hasan in Ft. Hood; now a botched detonator in a 747? After 9/11 this never happened on Bush’s watch. So let’s please coddle the Radical Muslims a little longer Hussein and his Posse of Clowns.

BigMike252 on December 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

stressing that they were put in place years ago by the Bush administration.

Yes! Thankfully Bush did put a system in place. But here’s the deal, who’s in charge of that system now? The peons don’t make the policy and I’m betting that the person designated to set the policy for how that system is now used in an Obama appointee not a Bush holdover.

flow into the National Counterterrorism Center each week from around the world.

Would this be the same National Counterterrorism Center that provides intel to the Counterterrorism Task Force that determined that Nidal Hasan wasn’t a threat either?

Texas Gal on December 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Our family watched “The Black Knight” last night for the first time.

justincase on December 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

That movie was called “The Dark Knight”. Racist.

runawayyyy on December 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Does anyone else remember Hillary Clinton screeching about “connecting the dots” post 9/11?

onlineanalyst on December 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM

You know what’s really disturbing about this Ed? The USS Cole attack in Yemen was Dec. 2000 and here we are now with another Clinton, although sitting at State, and another attack in Dec. 2009 directed out of Yemen.

I also wonder why Amsterdam? Has the terrorist network infiltrated the security personnel in Amsterdam that allowed this jihadi to get on that airplane?

Texas Gal on December 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Well stated monkey. People like Shipley and the lefty thumbsuckers will never admit we are at war. They are in such denial they won’t even call it terrorism let alone admit that we are at war or that such an evil as fascist Islam exists and wants to destroy us.

The left and people like Shipley are scared little pacifists that would rather submit to fascism and tyranny then face the reality of the situation that we are at war with a brutal fascist enemy that will stop at nothing to achieve their goal of a world dominated under their draconian religious/political ideology.

People like Shipley and the left will not fight to protect the very freedoms they take for granted every day, in fact they are so devoted to their pacifist ideology that they at every opportunity do whatever they can to impede our ability to fight our enemy which is evident in their throwing up roadblocks in the form of “close Gitmo,” the current ridiculous ROE’s our military is being forced to follow, habeas corpus rights for foreign illegal enemy combatants, and using a law enforcement approach for what is clearly a WAR!

Unfortunately I believe it will take an attack more tragic than 9-11 to get back on track, but even then people like Shipley and the far left will continue to be in denial and keep their scared little heads buried in the sand because the truth is just too scary for them.

I’ll close this comment with one of my favorite quotes:

“Strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means.”

-Thomas Jefferson

Liberty or Death on December 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM

It’s not terribly surprising that an Administration not competent enough to keep the Salahis out of the White House is not able to keep terrorists off an airplane.

blackrepublican on December 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Well, I guess taking out water boarding, black op sites for interrogation and closing down Gitmo has the Islamists lining up at airports all over the world so they can come and sing Kumbaya with Maobama and friends. Somebody wake me up when there are REAL Americans in charge…….

adamsmith on December 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM

“Brian Jenkins, who studies terrorism for the Rand Corporation, says there were more terror incidents (12), including thwarted plots, on U.S. soil in 2009 than in any year since 2001. The jihadists don’t seem to like Americans any better because we’re closing down Guantanamo.”

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

There is a plan, in plain sight. The terrorist can’t get at a heavily defended portion of an island with difficult access.

The answer is to move the bait to northwestern Illinois. Then give all the terrorists entry visas and capture them when they fly into Chicago.

What could possibly go wrong with such an ingenious, and well executed plan?

Yoop on December 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM

To Liberty or Death: Obama hates Thomas Jefferson. He was a slave owner,white, and smarter than Obama. He actually wrote things down instead of having a domestic terrorist as a ghost writer. My God, no one is capable of writing a script like the one playing out. McCarthy is spinning in his grave, along with Patton,Eisenhower,Washington,Adams,Franklin,etc…….

adamsmith on December 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Well stated monkey. People like Shipley and the lefty thumbsuckers will never admit we are at war. They are in such denial they won’t even call it terrorism let alone admit that we are at war or that such an evil as fascist Islam exists and wants to destroy us.

Liberty or Death on December 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Well stated. The NY Times, which the Left worships as “fact”, suddenly phased out the use of the “T” word in the early 1990s. And some news outlets refused to call the 9/11 attacks terrorism.

When bin Laden declared war on the US in his 1996 Fatwa, he specifically mentioned Bill Clinton by name. Never mentioned Bush once. And those 9/11 attacks that he left Bush to inherit were supposed to happen on his watch, but the perps needed more time to train, which obviously was successful.

BTW this latest attack attempt, unlike Richard Reid’s, did take place on US soil, which means O’bama owns it. Not Bush.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2009 at 1:07 PM

When bin Laden declared war on the US in his 1996 Fatwa, he specifically mentioned Bill Clinton by name. Never mentioned Bush once.

Hmmm. Why would bin Laden name Clinton in the fatwa but not Bush in 1996? Hmmm. Let’s see. Maybe because Clinton was president? But you’re right, I’m sure his beef was solely with Clinton, and when he attacked the US on Sept. 11, he was really attacking Clinton and if Clinton were never president then the attacks never would have happened.

What a truly dizzying intellect you have.

But wait, there’s more!

BTW this latest attack attempt, unlike Richard Reid’s, did take place on US soil, which means O’bama owns it. Not Bush.

First off, the attack happened in US airspace, not on its soil. Second, you’re right, because Reid tried to detonate the flight headed for Miami over the Atlantic, Bush didn’t “own” that attack. If he hadn’t waiting til they were over Miami, then it would have been Bush’s problem. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that. Oh, wait, I know why: I’m not an idiot.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Does Hillary et al receive a “solid B+” as well?

SmallGovtGuy on December 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Oh, wait, I know why: I’m not an idiot.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Yes you are. And a troll to boot.

fossten on December 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Why would bin Laden name Clinton in the fatwa but not Bush in 1996? Hmmm. Let’s see. Maybe because Clinton was president? But you’re right, I’m sure his beef was solely with Clinton, and when he attacked the US on Sept. 11, he was really attacking Clinton and if Clinton were never president then the attacks never would have happened.

I believe the point he was making is that the islamic fascists, despite what the left believes, do not hate us because of conservatism or Bush. they hated us before Bush and now still hate us despite having elected, what you apparently believe to be the second coming, O!

Yet the left still fails to realize that this is a real enemy requiring real responses from a waging war standpoint. The left probably still believes that if O! just talks more, this will all go away and everyone will love each other.

I think part of his point was also that if the left is going to claim that this current failure of the “system” was Bush’s fault (after O! has been in office almost a year), then the left has to admit that 9/11 was Clinton’s fault.

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

At this point, it doesn’t matter about Bush. Obama owns this, and no amount of spinning, or rhetoric is going to change that. Is Obama directly responsible? No. But the fact that he hired both women to be a part of his administration, and both failed on this one…he owns it.

Just as Bush did indeed own Reids.

But we also must remember….Bush kept the country safe for 8 years. This is twice now, in less than a year that this lapse in security, and judgement has been tested. This isn’t something you play around with, or pander to. These jihadists are serious, and mean business. What is it going to take, short of another 9/11 to get that thru to this administration?

capejasmine on December 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

First off, the attack happened in US airspace, not on its soil. Second, you’re right, because Reid tried to detonate the flight headed for Miami over the Atlantic, Bush didn’t “own” that attack. If he hadn’t waiting til they were over Miami, then it would have been Bush’s problem. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that. Oh, wait, I know why: I’m not an idiot.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

It doesn’t matter who is president, fascist Islam is like the terminator; it doesn’t feel pity, it doesn’t feel remorse, you can’t talk to or negotiate with it and it won’t ever stop until you are DEAD, that is the truth Shipley but you and your far left thumbsucking pacifist friends are just too damn scared to face this truth!

I think the point Del was trying to make was not who the terrorists are really angry at nor that Clinton was the catalyst for their terrorist ways as terrorism has been going on for more than 30 years! Instead I think he was trying to get you (Shipley) and the far left in general to understand that no amount of apologizing, holding hands, dialog, singing Kumbaya, or sharing a Coke will change the attitude or the ultimate goals of fascist Islam. Our enemies (fascist Islam) through the last 30 plus years have clearly stated what their goals are through their numerous heinous and barbaric murdering of innocent people.

However, Clinton’s failures at taking this threat seriously during his time in office is what lead to 9-11, Del was merely pointing out the fact that contrary to popular lefty belief 9-11 DID NOT HAPPEN ON BUSH’S WATCH!

In addition I would like to also point out that the current administration is taking us back to a pre-9-11 attitude and tactics because the administration and those on the far left (including you Shipley) do not believe we are at war, do not believe terrorism exists I think they are calling it manmade disasters now) and are responding to these acts with a law enforcement approach instead of how they should be approaching it, as a WAR!

Because of the misguided approach the current Obama administration is taking (the same misguided approach the Clinton administration had taken) we are just beginning to see the results! We have been lucky so far but eventually our luck will run out if the current administration doesn’t face the truth that we are at WAR and these are not some random criminal acts.

Bottom line is if Obama and the current administration continue to approach this issue in such a manner then the lessons that should have been learned by the mistakes of the Clinton administration will not be learned, America and its citizens will be in peril again, and the tragic history of 9-11 (or worse) will be repeated!

Liberty or Death on December 28, 2009 at 2:32 PM

What a truly dizzying intellect you have.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Translation: “I just had my getalife handed to me”.

BTW, bin Laden’s 1996 Fatwa also mentioned another person by name. His name was Bill too.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I think part of his point was also that if the left is going to claim that this current failure of the “system” was Bush’s fault (after O! has been in office almost a year), then the left has to admit that 9/11 was Clinton’s fault.

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

The 9/11 attacks, according to bin Laden himself, were supposed to take place while Clinton was President. And the training for those attacks began years before Bush stole the Presidency in 2000.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM

the attack happened in US airspace, not on its soil.

Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Same thing. Not even a nice try.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Another attack on our country will be the trigger the filthy liar and his administration are waiting for. Once it has happened, they will seize more power, more money, and more control of our lives.
What is more important to the great one – power or American lives? I think we all know the answer.

maryo on December 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I agree about the father, but I hope they don’t just take ex-wives word for it…

barnone on December 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM

The 9/11 attacks, according to bin Laden himself, were supposed to take place while Clinton was President. And the training for those attacks began years before Bush stole the democrats were unable to steal the Presidency in 2000.

Fixed it for you, Del.

maryo on December 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Janet Napolitano has come under heavy criticism for her assertion that “the system worked” after the near-miss attack on Northwest 253

Should be a near hit.

The 1993 WTC bombing was intended to take the building down, with thousands being killed.

It was PURE dumb luck that it didn’t.

DSchoen on December 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Funny that this “broken system” kept us safe under Bush for 7 years. What has changed?

Cha-Ching!

Let’s expand: How many times was there a terrorist attempt and how many succeeded in the 7 years after 9/11 that Bush was in the WH while the Democrats argued about how long he sat in the chair at the Kindergarten classroom ( as that was gonna save us ) and about waterboarding and “understanding” why radical Muslims would do such a thing and how wrong we are to upset radical Muslims that we need to watch out for Koran’s in toilets and allow taxicab drivers to tell us we can’t bring alcohol off a plane into his taxicab, etc.? How long after Obama became President did it take to have a terror attack on “American soil”? In the entire history of the United States, how many terror attacks have happened on American Soil?

How the heck these Liberal commenters can come over here and act like the stood behind Pres. Bush in support of TWOT and never criticized him or his administration and beg for a pass on these incidences while the ACTUAL Director of Homeland Security says the system worked is beyond me? What worked? An American decided to take care of themselves versus letting or waiting for the government to do it for them. You’re right Janet! Let that be a lesson to EVERYONE while this VERY GOVERNMENT tells us they’re gonna keep our health save and take care of our medical expenses for us with ObamaCare because we need not bother to take care of it for ourselves!

Sultry Beauty on December 28, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I don’t recall anyone claiming Bush didn’t understand the threat of terrorism because Reid was tried in a US court of law.
Tom_Shipley on December 28, 2009

Was Reid “GASP” apprehended in the USA by a “GASP” police force?

As opposed to “GASP” being caught in the Battle field or “GASP” by foreign police/intel services?

Do you “GASP” know the difference tween “GASP” apples and “GASP” oranges?

DSchoen on December 28, 2009 at 4:13 PM

This Bush administration DID let this guy get a visa. He obtained it in 2008.
Tom_Shipley on December 28,

Geezz Tom, are you really this stupid?

Can you read? Do you have thew ability to comprehend what you read?
Did you read the article?

If yes, the how did you miss the FACT that it was AFTER his father reported (Dec. 2009) him that he was put on the watch list.

Do you comprehend that 2008 was a year BEFORE 2009?

The question, Tom, is why was his Visa STILL valid AFTER he was put on the list?

Why didn’t the Obama Admin cancel his Visa AFTER he was put on the Terrorist Watch list?

What exactly did the Bush admin do to CAUSE the Obama admin to IGNORE Terrorist!

DSchoen on December 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Hillary Clinton has been totally incompetent as Sec of State, yet her favorable ratings have been going up.

huckleberryfriend on December

I think that’s because she is being viewed with respect to others in the Obama Admin.

Think about it and I think you will agree why she is rated higher.

Hillary or Obama?

Hillary or Biden?

Hillary or Napolitano?

Hillary or Gibbs?

Hillary or the guy who wants to teach “fisting” to 14 year-old children.

I rate Hillary higher than any of the above.

DSchoen on December 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM

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