Israel: Iran will have nuclear weapons by 2011

posted at 1:36 pm on December 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

As if dozens of jihadis wearing suicide underwear wasn’t enough of a problem for the US and the world, the Israelis remind us today of an even bigger threat about to reach maturation.  The Iranians will have the technical capability to build a nuclear weapon within weeks, and will have one completed by 2011, according to Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak:

Iran will possess the technology to build a nuclear bomb by early 2010 and be able to produce one the following year, Israeli media quoted Israel’s defense minister as saying Monday.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak delivered his assessment before the Israeli parliament’s defense and foreign affairs committee. It broadly matches assessments from other nations including the U.S., which estimates that Tehran could produce a nuclear weapon between 2010 and 2015.

The Defense Ministry said it could not confirm the reports and a Barak spokesman wasn’t immediately available for comment. The radio and newspaper Web site reports did not identify the source of their information, but participants in the committee meetings routinely brief reporters on the proceedings.

Earlier this month, Israel’s military intelligence chief said Iran was close to an unspecified “technological breakthrough” that would enable it to build nuclear weapons. He did not elaborate on the breakthrough or say when exactly he expected Iran to have weapons-making capability.

That breakthrough could have been the neutron trigger, a device that only has an application for nuclear weapons.  Two weeks ago, documents showing that Iran continued to pursue a working neutron trigger were made public, and even the IAEA noted that there could be no peaceful use for that research.  Iran continues to deny the authenticity of the documents, but whether the breakthrough was on the trigger or another piece of the nuclear puzzle, Tehran has clearly continued full tilt to get the bomb.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu told a gathering of diplomats recalled to Israel that time is running out:

“The international community must act,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told a separate gathering of Israeli diplomats. “If sanctions aren’t imposed now, if true pressure isn’t applied now — then when will they do it?”

Meanwhile, Iran still faces a December 31 deadline to respond to an offer from the West to supply enriched uranium in exchange for an end to Iranian enrichment.  The Obama administration attempted to underscore its seriousness about the deadline, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scoffed openly at the warning.  Technically, that should mean that Israel has only three days to wait for the international community to act — but unless Russia and China have decided to sacrifice their own economic health to the cause, this deadline will pass without any meaningful action, like so many others over the last several years.

Israel’s diplomatic recall and Netanyahu’s warning is meant to send another signal, both to Iran and the international community.  Israel will take care of the problem their way if the world doesn’t start taking this seriously.  That first bomb has Tel Aviv written on the nose cone, and everyone knows it.  Israel is not about to stand by while Iran prepares a new Holocaust for them. After all, if we can pre-emptively attack Yemen for a handful of airplane bombers, Israel has the right to end an existential threat.

It would seem that Barack Obama and the West has only a few weeks left to head off unilateral Israeli action.

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Strong B+.

rogerb on December 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I hope the GOP takes the House back in 2010 so they can hold some hearings. Witnesses under oath. Subpoenas.

Holder, of course, before the House Judiciary Committee, but also the authors of the 2007 NIE on how Iran had abandoned the bomb.

Wethal on December 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

It would seem that Barack Obama and the West has only a few weeks left to head off unilateral Israeli action.

Maybe only a few days.

Otis B on December 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I ask God to be with Israel.
L

letget on December 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The Obama administration attempted to underscore its seriousness about the deadline, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scoffed openly at the warning.

Dinnerjacket isn’t worried about the very, super-duper, strongly worded letter.

farright on December 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Obama dithered on Iran for a year while his options dwindled.

WordsMatter on December 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Sanctions are worthless. They hurt the poor and sustain the powerful. A self-realized Iranian revolution is the only answer and it’s best we stay out of the way. Hands off.

The Calibur on December 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

It would seem that Barack Obama and the West has only a few weeks left to head off unilateral Israeli action.

Isn’t it funny how the administration likes to turn the economy, healthcare, and global warming into crises that must be acted upon immediately, but when it comes to Iran and their nukes, they keep extending the deadline.

singlemalt_18 on December 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM

It would seem that Barack Obama and the West has only a few weeks left to head off unilateral Israeli action.

time for a few more waffle breakfasts, some body surfing, some Paris shopping and capped off with a speech about unclenched fists and being perfectly clear…..

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I miss Bush.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

*breaking*

The Pentagon has been locked down as they mass produce great quantities of *strongly worded memos*…..

Lethal…

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

But….Obummer made a speech! In Cairo! Wasn’t Iran listening?

ladyingray on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I miss Bush.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Unfortuantely, Bush dithered on this issue too.

WashJeff on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

BREAKING: Obama has ordered his speechwriters to come up with the words that will cause Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

Cicero43 on December 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Israel is acting stupidly/

Knucklehead on December 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Isn’t it funny how the administration likes to turn the economy, healthcare, and global warming into crises that must be acted upon immediately, but when it comes to Iran and their nukes, they keep extending the deadline.

singlemalt_18 on December 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Well , the Iran crisis didn’t need any help to escalate..

the_nile on December 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Maybe 2012 will be the end of the world!

jeridhill on December 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

But….Obummer made a speech! In Cairo! Wasn’t Iran listening?

ladyingray on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

And he even send them a personal Nawrooz greeting, WTF more can he do ?

macncheez on December 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Obama needs to stop Honduras NOW!..

the_nile on December 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Unfortuantely, Bush dithered on this issue too.

WashJeff on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Beat me to it.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

B+ on that Ciaro speech Barry!

jbh45 on December 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Before long, the world will wake up to a large black hole in the ground where Iran used to be, courtesy of Israel. At that point, no one in the Arab world will like the USA or Israel very much, like they do presently.

After all is said and done, the hopechangey BS is a total failure. Kissing fanatics usually is. The good news is the large hole in the ground formerly known as Iran will NOT belong to George Bush. It will be Obama’s. I can hardly wait for the photo op. Wait…he needs to get those teleprompters set up just right….

bradley11 on December 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

BREAKING: Obama has ordered his speechwriters to come up with the words that will cause Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

Cicero43 on December 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

” As of right now, I am resigning , so is my cabinet.
Gov Sarah Palin is taking over. ”
Will it work?

macncheez on December 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Unfortuantely, Bush dithered on this issue too.

WashJeff on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Beat me to it.

thomasaur on December 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Yeah I know.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Time for a beer summit with Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad.

Cicero43 on December 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Dear Iran,

I know, uh, it ain’t easy bein’ a pimp, but, uh, really, dudes, stop giving me a black eye every other, uh, month.

B. Hussein Obama

SouthernGent on December 28, 2009 at 1:55 PM

This will obviously mean a spike in fuel prices again, while we play “green games” and the local economy tanks further.

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Quick, we must send Secretary Clinton to some obscure third world country to take questions from college students.

SteveMG on December 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Unfortuantely, Bush dithered on this issue too.

WashJeff on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

So it seems.

Kralizec on December 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I have decided that if Obama is not a Muslim, he is a Muslim sympathizer who gives lip service to the safety and security of Israel but will shed no tears over their destruction. He will take no meaningful action against any Muslim dictatorship and Israel had better come to terms with this so that they may protect themselves. I hope they know that Obama’s animus is not America’s and that, once we shed ourselves of this vile POS, we will honor our alliance once again.

Extrafishy on December 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM

It would seem that Barack Obama and the West has only a few weeks left to head off unilateral Israeli action.

I, for one, expect a solid B+ effort!

Bruno Strozek on December 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

It still seems plausible to me that Iran presently has no intention of making a nuclear weapon … but is deliberately creating suspicion in order to provoke an Israeli strike. When the dust has settled and analysed and no weapons material found, the whole world will condemn ‘aggressive’ Israel for its unjustified attack on a ‘peaceful’ Islamic country.

In this way, Iran could foment war against Israel, but wouldn’t actually have to contribute much to the war beyond absorbing the initial strike damage.

Furthermore, if afterwards Iran did want to pursue a weapons programme it could do so in greater confidence because other countries, having seen Israel condemned and attacked for being wrong the first time, would be reluctant to risk a second pre-emptive strike.

YiZhangZhe on December 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

I ask God to be with Israel.
L

letget on December 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Agreed, as Israel begins to make preparations for their strike.

WhoU4 on December 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Has Obama tried bowing to Ahmadinejad yet?

No wonder they haven’t backed down.

Gotta show them we mean them no harm and all…

fossten on December 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Iran will have nuclear weapons by 2011

I’m convinced they already have one (or more). They’re trying to pick a fight with somebody (assaulting an Iraqi oil well, arresting “hikers”, political alliances with Chavez, etc…) to provide them an excuse to escalate the conflict into a nuclear exchange.

Their first target, of course, is Riyhad. Not Israel or the US. They know who has the power in the Gulf Region, and it is a roadblock to Irans’ ascendancy to power.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I have faith that Israel will end this threat soon…..and do it the only way they can…..hopefully they can send a few future jihadi’s to Allah along the way too!

SDarchitect on December 28, 2009 at 2:09 PM

I can see the letter from Obama now:
Congratulations on your stunning scientific achievement. Everywhere in the world people admire your tenacity and persistent attitude in achieving the pinnacle of military offense. You are an inspiration to all aspiring country’s who are tired of being “pushed around”. Growing up as a young child I remember being ridiculed for being a minority, but now that I have power, they laugh no more…so it will be with you. I am sure you will use this for the betterment of your nation, and I welcome you into the elite group of nuclear power.
God’s blessing, may Allah smile upon your achievement, and may it be used to spread his blessing’s to all…
Your nuclear brother, president B+arack Obama…

right2bright on December 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The system is working.

LibTired on December 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

“Let’s Talk” is the STRONGEST, most efficient weapon every enemy uses against the United States, and our leadership (I use that term VERY loosely) sucks for it every time.

That’s exactly how Saddam Hussein dragged out the UN mandates; that’s exactly how Yasir Arafat walked away from the Camp David agreement; and that’s exactly the way Iran has toyed with the United States for about twenty years!

For the fraud in the White House to even think that Israel will not strike to prevent Iran from securing nuclear arms would be a huge mistake. In fact – I’m guessing now, but I think it’s a pretty fair guess that’s exactly what the Israelis are discussing today!

Iran makes lots of noise; drum beating and saber rattling, but so did Nasser in Egypt and Qaddafi in Lebanon…Just before the Israelis pounded them into the ground in a war that lasted just seven days.

I fully expect that Israel’s military would do exactly the same to Iran’s “elite” fighting forces; perhaps in even less time. And don’t expect Iran’s Middle East neighbors to rush to their aid. Their leaders will scream and yell, but they’ll stay hunkered down in the sand dunes until well after the last shot is fired.

The entire world grossly underestimates the military power of Israel. I suspect they’ll have to prove their right to exist ONE more time.

GoldenEagle4444 on December 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

BREAKING: Obama has ordered his speechwriters to come up with the words that will cause Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

Cicero43 on December 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Anonymous WH insiders report that all they’ve been able to come up with is “We surrender”. Obama is reported to be carefully considering the speech.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Agreed, as Israel begins to make preparations for their strike.

WhoU4 on December 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

4If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. 5Then the LORD your God will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers.

Deuteronomy 30:4-5

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Hmm… Israel Calls ALL Ambassadors Home For Special Meeting in Jerusalem
Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:44 PM
Jim Hoft
For the first time ever, Israel has called ALL of its ambassadors and consuls home for meetings this week in Jerusalem.
The meetings opened today.

4If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. 5Then the LORD your God will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed,

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Iran will have nuclear weapons by 2011—Obama suggest a beer summit.

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran…that’s a lot to put on anyone’s plate. I suppose the administration sees Iran as a huge threat, but sanctions aren’t the answer IMHO. Like someone said, they only hurt the citizens. So what can we do?

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Bambi said during the campaign that a nuclear armed Iran would be a “game changer”.

I just know Obama is about to get tough with these dudes.

/complete and utter sarcasm

HondaV65 on December 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Well, we can’t say that 2010 isn’t going to be interesting. Scary, but interesting.

MainelyRight on December 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM

GoldenEagle4444 on December 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

They took out Iraq’s nukes too, and it was an awesome victory.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran…that’s a lot to put on anyone’s plate. I suppose the administration sees Iran as a huge threat, but sanctions aren’t the answer IMHO. Like someone said, they only hurt the citizens. So what can we do?

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Spray Ebola over the entire region, then lock down all travel into and out of those countries. It’ll be over in about 48-72 hours. Completely over.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

They took out Iraq’s nukes too, and it was an awesome victory.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I assume you’re speaking of the two Iraqi reactors that Israel destroyed? I gaurantee that Iraq has never had a nuclear weapon.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I forgot North Korea. I wish we had big strong manly men in the WH during times like these. Patton comes to mind.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Well…this is cheery news.

Bishop on December 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Bush dithered on Iran??? Sorry, what the hell do you think Iraq was about? W made it VERY clear that a democracy in the heart of the middle east was for the security of the whole world. Those Iranian protesters would be armed today if Bush was still in office. If you want to blame someone blame Jimmy Carter. The Persians were a free people until Carter’s “holy man” was allowed to take over.

txhsmom on December 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

The Iranians have been giving us the finger for 30+ years. They have made their intentions clear–there should be no surprise once Israel is attacked. There should also be no surprised in the event that Tehran is attacked preemptively. Israel is a country of only 5 million people–that’s far fewer than those who need healthcare reform and that write letters here in the US. /s

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I wonder if THE ONE stopped production of the super bunker buster to avoid the awkward moment when Israel asked to use them for a live fire demonstration. Go Israel. Show Washington how real men act in the face of a real threat. How about doing it now while Tehran burns with demonstrations.

Mojave Mark on December 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

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ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

B+ on that Ciaro speech Barry!

jbh45 on December 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I think you meant Cialis.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM

No time like the present for a regime change in Iran. I wonder if that’s even being considered. We wouldn’t know if it was, as I presume that kind of thing wouldn’t be on the front page of the NYT. Oh wait…of course it would.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM

WashJeff on December 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

No. He was hamstrung by a phony NIE report, and a ‘rat dominated House that threatened to gut the funding for ‘the surge’ in Iraq if he even looked ‘cross-eyed’ at the Iranians.

The crisis has MANY fathers.

Not the least of which was letting the Left have it’s way on resolving the issue [the price of legislative truce in the House].

They wanted the UN and the EU to lead that parade.

They wanted the ‘Cowboy Bush’ to pull in his horns for the sake of ‘multilateralism’.

They were the ones who said, ‘Iran isn’t an issue‘.

Well, now we find ourselves at the ‘line of departure’, and the ball’s squarely in their hands.

They [the LEFT] own this: lock, stock, and barrel.

CPT. Charles on December 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Israel’s recall of their ambassador’s and consuls is HUGE. Knowing that any strike against I ran will foment retaliation(1st & formost against soft-targets)possibly around the world, israel might be judging that their diplomats are safer being at home, or more likely what top expect and preventitive measures guidance.

This could mean that an Iraeli attack is imminent, as in any day now. One of their ministers just said a couple of weeks back that Israel would not wait till years end…uhmmm, that would uhm, be now!

I wouldn’t look for this to happen as everyone expects either, everyone points to the 80′s strike against Saddam’s Osirak facility as the example. This and the Israeli’s vaunted (deservedly) IAF has been telegraphed to a point of saturation. The IDF’s penchant for mis-direction and derring-do mean this is probably highly unlikely.

Especially as I would not be surprised if Iran has secretly already installed some of Russia’s S-3000 SAM’s, making an air-strike prohibitively costly in terms of men and material. Any hostile act by the IAF against Iran makes aggressive acts from Hamas & Hizbollah practicly garunteed, if not from nation state’s as well.

No if I were to venture a guess I would look for a a special ops supported (lasing) cruise missle strike (IDF has an impressive array of these) possibly from a disguised freighter in the Persian Gulf. Their German made subs could accomplish the task, but as the op would not have the Obama Admin’s blessing, they probably couldn’t get into position without our 5th fleet taking notice.

Anyways arm-chair Generals (or perhaps Admirals in this case), get your pop-corn ready and note-pads at hand as it should quite a show. Educational too.

Archimedes on December 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Damn!
Typos all over the place, sorry.

Archimedes on December 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Netanyahu is a man of strong stock and will not stand idly by in the face of danger. If you’ve never heard of the Israeli raid on Entebbe, check it out—Netanyahu’s brother was the ground force commander during the mission and was the only casualty during the mission that freed scores of Israelis that were onboard a hijacked El Al flight.

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ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

How about doing it now while Tehran burns with demonstrations.

Mojave Mark on December 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The Demonstrations might just be part of the plan… Always good to have some distractions!

WhoU4 on December 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

txhsmom on December 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

That’s looking at the big picture, the democratizing of Iraq. It wasn’t all about the weapons of mass destruction. What we did in Iraq was awesome.

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I miss Bush.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I miss Reagan

Renae on December 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

miss Bush.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I miss Reagan

Renae on December 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I miss statesmen…

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

CIA DIRECTOR: Mr. President, the dirty bombs that wiped out Tel Aviv, Manhattan and LA, all of them, they came from sources traced directly to Iran.

OBAMA: How could that be? My Cairo speech, the strongly worded letters, the UN’s sanctions?

CIA DIRECTOR: Well, sorry sir, there’s no doubt. We have solid evidence of Iran’s involvement… and the operatives.

OBAMA: Then, let me be clear. This calls for a bold response. I’m gonna get Napolitano on this. She writes the best letters, really scary. Then, turn the operatives over to Holder so he can make sure they’re handled fairly and we’ll show ‘em some real justice before a jury of their peers… somewhere. Can’t use New York anymore. Maybe San Francisco. Let’s do this.

TXUS on December 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I miss Bush.

upinak on December 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I miss about 25% of Bush. I miss about 90% of Reagan.

stvnscott on December 28, 2009 at 2:50 PM

God Speed Bibi, kill em all!!

The chair is against the wall.

John has a long mustache.

RealMc on December 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Hell, after this past year… I miss Clinton.

BPD on December 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

HASBRO announces Obama action figure complete with life-like thumb-sucking and bowing action! Pull the string and he’ll say things like: “The police acted stupidly”, “I won”, and “Iran is a small country…not a threat”.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM

John has a long mustache.

RealMc on December 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Nice.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I think you’re all wrong. You’re assuming that the administration is on Israel’s side in this. They may not be on Iran’s, but Tel Aviv is also not their friend. If anything, they don’t want an Israel-Iran conflict because it will distract from their socialization agenda at home.
But if anything does happen, the speechwriters will come up with a grand “Israel shouldn’t have provoked Iran” speech a few days later…..

n0doz on December 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Dear Iran,

The good folks in Israel have sent the U.S. a message we feel should be passed onto your government. It was sort of encrypted, but the letter said certain parts of your nation will receive a glowing evaluation.

All the best,

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6900913/Iran-arrests-key-opposition-figures-in-effort-to-end-protests.html

Still cracking heads and killing people…Mr. President to make a statement sometime today (several days after the protests started).

scalleywag on December 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Tiny. Little. Country.

stvnscott on December 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Their first target, of course, is Riyhad. Not Israel or the US. They know who has the power in the Gulf Region, and it is a roadblock to Irans’ ascendancy to power.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Interesting analysis. Not sure about the Saudis (though it wouldn’t surprise me), but Israel has some very real and not too secret ties to Qatar and the UAE, perhaps Bahrain. Would not be surprised at all if/when the Israeli air strikes happen that they will be from extreme low level and from across the Gulf, both to thwart early warning and radar.

The Israeli special forces will probably precede the attack with special forces ops to take out radar and communications like we did at the start of Desert Storm. The Mossad may very well be at work right now inside Iran itself, perhaps helping to destabilize the regime from within – which is something Precedent Obrother should have been doing since the June rigged elections.

Sholom aleichem, kids.

J.J. Sefton on December 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Double secret probation

CMonster on December 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

*breaking*

Obama grades Iran’s efforts on suppressing civil unrest….

B

no one shall ever outdo the O on the grade sheet.

ted c on December 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Maybe I’ve missed it in all of Ed’s posts, but what exactly is the proposed solution here? It would be better if the comments here were focused on realistic solutions.

To those who are making fun of Obama, what do you propose be done? I think you should consider the likelihood that bombing Iran is not feasible logistically. The fact that Bush both did not do it and discouraged Israel from doing it is evidence of that. It’s possible that at best it would cause Iran a setback but not totally destroy their program, and the benefits for us of such a setback would not outweigh the downside.

It’s possible that this is just a horrible situation, and that the US and Israel do not have the capability of fixing it alone. Unfortunately, it may be up to Russia and China, and they don’t seem willing to play along.

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

J.J. Sefton on December 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Riyhad is only a whistle-stop.

Mecca is the grand prize.

CPT. Charles on December 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

To those who are making fun of Obama, what do you propose be done?

Do you mean about making fun of him, or do you mean what should he do about the current situation in Iran, and the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran in the near future?

Since he isn’t doing anything, we make fun of him. When he takes off his asshat and does something, we’ll grade him on that.

Until then, piss off with your “at best, nobody can stop Iran, can’t we all just get along” crap.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

You are correct that Bush did not do anything as well to deter/stop Iran. But had he confronted Iran or even bombed them you are telling me that you would have applauded that action and praised W for doing the right thing?!

But the current situation belongs completely to the current occupant of the White House. He could have proclaimed America’s solidarity with the protesters and Moussavi in June, challenged the regime’s legitimacy and called for it to step down. He could have unilaterally blockaded gasoline from entering Iran which would in effect topple the regime within weeks.

Obama hates Israel and hates America. He has a huge chip on his shoulder and wants to see us, our allies and western civilization cut down to size. So if a few million Jews or even Americans get the chop, then our chickens would have come home to roost, so to speak.

J.J. Sefton on December 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

It’s possible that this is just a horrible situation, and that the US and Israel do not have the capability of fixing it alone. Unfortunately, it may be up to Russia and China, and they don’t seem willing to play along.

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Respectfully, you’re a little naive in using the word capability. Israel has always been quite capable of “fixing the problem” alone. But you are quite right that “other countries” refuse to participate in putting an end to the threat.

To put this in prespective, pretend that Canada is Iran and has been threatening to “drop a dime” on New York for the past thirty years. The rest of the world looks the other way until Canada announces they now have “the trigger”. What should the U.S. do under these circumstances? And how much longer does the rest of the planet think Israel will stand by for “help”????

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Might be a good time to move those 401k funds into a cash/gold position?

Midas on December 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Might be a good time to move those 401k funds into a cash/gold position?

Midas on December 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Try First Bank of Mattress or Buried Box Savings and Loan. Not much of a return, but very safe.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM

[..snip..] but what exactly is the proposed solution here? [..snip..] It’s possible that this is just a horrible situation, and that the US and Israel do not have the capability of fixing it alone.

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

It seems to me there are lots of possibilities, too many in fact to reliably determine the problem, let alone reliably devise a solution.

For example, consider Iran’s geopolitical neighbourhood:

To the east it has the lawless narcotics garden of Afghanistan, and the unstable nuclear armed Pakistan. To the north it is bordered by the formerly Soviet states to remind it of Russia’s former aggression against it. On the west it has Iraq, and just across the water to the south is Saudi Arabia, the home of its Islamic ideological opponent with close links to Pakistan.

All of its major Islamic neighbours are predominantly Sunni Muslim states, and we’ve seen in Iraq how much Sunnis and Shias hate one another to the point of violence.

So, Iran has *no* reliably friendly neighbours and has lengthy land borders with at least three countries that are *presently* experiencing internal warfare; it has genuine military threats on its borders right now. Consequently, even if Israel didn’t exist Iran would still have good reason to want a robust defensive and deterrent capability.

Iran’s talk about Israel might just be the expression of foolish prejudice or might be bluster to keep its immediate neighbours off-guard.

We expect Israel to take steps to protect itself from its neighbours, therefore it is rationally that we should expect Iran (which has far worse neighbours than Israel) to do the same.

YiZhangZhe on December 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It’s possible that this is just a horrible situation, and that the US and Israel do not have the capability of fixing it alone. Unfortunately, it may be up to Russia and China, and they don’t seem willing to play along.

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

You’ve taken your eye off the ball. Don’t worry about Israel and what they’ll do. Worry about the rest of the countries in the Middle East.
When Iran gets the bomb, consider what their neighbours outside of Israel will do. Sunni vs. Shia is the bigger issue than the JOOOOOSSS.

Don’t get me wrong, the threat to Israel is real. Very real. The Israelis will probably take care of the whole thing, but if it doesn’t happen, look for an all out war between the followers of Islam.

mjk on December 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

While Obama, the UN, and backwards western European governments will dither on this issue, I won’t. I give Israel full permission to go ahead with whatever action against Iran that they feel is necessary to protect themselves, and the rest of the world for that matter. Israel has my full support.

MeAlice on December 28, 2009 at 3:54 PM

[..snip..] look for an all out war between the followers of Islam.

mjk on December 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM

For a brief moment that thought cheered me … which presumably reveals that there is a whole load of blackness in my own heart that I need to repent of.

YiZhangZhe on December 28, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Was Israel’s announcement today that it was going to build 700 homes in East Jerusalem a signal to the U.S. and the international community that unless President Obama takes strong steps against Iran, Israel will be going it alone in all arenas? Timing is everything.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

The CJ Political Report on December 28, 2009 at 4:01 PM

After all, if we can pre-emptively attack Yemen for a handful of airplane bombers, Israel has the right to end an existential threat.

As we say in Canada..f’n eh!

royzer on December 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM

The Obama administration attempted to underscore its seriousness about the deadline, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scoffed openly at the warning.

Perhaps if he typed his strongly worded letters in ALL CAPS, people would take them as more threatening.

John Deaux on December 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Bush dithered on Iran??? Sorry, what the hell do you think Iraq was about? W made it VERY clear that a democracy in the heart of the middle east was for the security of the whole world. Those Iranian protesters would be armed today if Bush was still in office. If you want to blame someone blame Jimmy Carter. The Persians were a free people until Carter’s “holy man” was allowed to take over.

txhsmom on December 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

True. It’s debatable whether Bush could have done more. He certainly had a lot of opposition. But it’s no coincidence that we just happen to have troops on both sides of Iran. It’s probably also no coincidence that Iran stalled until Bush was well out of office.

tom on December 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Since he isn’t doing anything, we make fun of him. When he takes off his asshat and does something, we’ll grade him on that.

Until then, piss off with your “at best, nobody can stop Iran, can’t we all just get along” crap.

BobMbx on December 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Well, my point was, what do you actually propose to do about Iran? I don’t mind if you make fun of him for not doing anything, but you should at least offer what you think should be done.

Also, I have no idea why you interpreted what I wrote as “can’t we all just get along.” I think we should bomb Iran if we can.

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM

You are correct that Bush did not do anything as well to deter/stop Iran. But had he confronted Iran or even bombed them you are telling me that you would have applauded that action and praised W for doing the right thing?!

I absolutely would have applauded that action, and I also trust that Bush had the right values and used sound reasoning in his decisions regarding bombing Iran.

But the current situation belongs completely to the current occupant of the White House. He could have proclaimed America’s solidarity with the protesters and Moussavi in June, challenged the regime’s legitimacy and called for it to step down. He could have unilaterally blockaded gasoline from entering Iran which would in effect topple the regime within weeks.

J.J. Sefton on December 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I mostly agree with respect to the protesters, and I appreciate the concrete proposals. As for the gasoline, I don’t know much about this, but if it were true that it would topple the regime within weeks, why would this not be the main plan discussed for the passed few years rather than bombing?

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Respectfully, you’re a little naive in using the word capability. Israel has always been quite capable of “fixing the problem” alone. But you are quite right that “other countries” refuse to participate in putting an end to the threat.

Rovin on December 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM

I don’t think there’s any way for those of us who are not in intelligence to know, but experts on both sides have debated how effective an Israeli and/or US strike would be. The facilities are located deep underground, and we don’t necessarily know where they all are. While a strike would definitely cause a setback, some claim that it would only set things back a year or two. That would be great, but a) it’s possible the geo-political harm done would be greater than what is gained in 1-2 years, and b) it’s not a permanent solution either way.

This is not just some lefty BS “intelligence,” this is what’s being debated by hawks in the US and Israel. If you ask Israelis what they think, they will not necessarily tell you that they are quite capable of “fixing this problem.”

tneloms on December 28, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Barak just double down Israels bet and leverage to get the “O” to pay attention.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364529384&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Ehud Barak offered a pessimistic outlook for those expecting an easy end to the Iranian nuclear crisis when he said on Monday that the recently revealed nuclear facility at Qom was “built over a number of years, located in a reinforced underground bunker and immune to standard bombs.“”

That maybe nothing Barak said a bunch of other a*shat stuff in the same breath later but when you tag that with the resent Bibi face to face with the entire foreign diplo staff, and of course the Israeli history of going balls deep you get a WTF, would they really use a “non-conventional i.e. nuclear Jerrico?”

It wouldn’t take out the Iranian WMD program but it would make it crystal clear that you just don’t f*ck with Israel. A ballistic missile strike with maybe some submarine cruise missile for Bashir would not risk the bulk of Israels air force which even if all is perfect on approach would be in real danger in the long journey home empty of ordinance and running on fumes (no maneuver left) through hostile territory all the way.

I don’t think this threat implied or real would shake the “O” into taking the initiative on Iran. Iran is not Iraq and will not be a walk in the park. It will be ugly and widespread across the ME and beyond yes beyond.

However the kindling is lit the big question is Iran. Will it hit the gulf shipping, oil, etc.. guarantying even the US under the “O” will retaliate and really put Iran into a Iraq ala 91′ box via air campaign, or will it just hit Israel with BM and proxy groups?

everyone is playing chicken, and everyone is hoping the other will blink first. Its the kind of pressure cooker world wars are cooked in.

C-Low on December 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM

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